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I think it is insulting how Samsung released the Froyo update. This was not a mass update... this was a "lets shut the people complaining up update!"
Updating through Kies ALWAYS = people posting about problems/issues.
Why is it they could not do an OTA? I personally assume it's because it was not ready (hence the KA7 leak) and THAT will be an OTA for the masses to froyo (or an update to those who used Kies). This is my assumption.
But shame on Samsung/T-Mobile for this...
I would STRONGLY urge new people to NOT update to froyo via kies. I WOULD encourage rooting your phone and flashing the new custom roms that are based off the newest builds (even newer than KA6 which was the "official update").
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I think a thread dedicated for the new ROMs in the Q&A section would be awesome. Consider it an "ask a dumb question and expect a quick answer" thread. The less crap/clutter from the development section the better.
I imagine hardly any posts in the development section are of benefit to the developer.
I feel the Nero V4 sticky is a good example. Though I feel a sticky is a bit much.
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Anyone want to create a thread (or show me one) with all of the stock system apps attached? It would ne nice for those times when someone is asking for them....
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Does anyone have the skills to make the dropdown "mute" button also mute Media. I hate that currently it will mute everything but media... as it inevitably always leads to me making noise when I think I am muted.
I now use Widgetsoid to mute my phone completely.
Thanks!
I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
Want source? Request it: @SamsungMobileUS should work.
I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.
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I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.
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Check and make sure that your phone is hardware locked now as I know that one of the ROMs took care of this issue.
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Isn't it that updating through kies is faster than ota? People wouldn't have to wait, unless you're a mac user. The JI6 took forever for them to send it. I waited like 2 weeks then i just flashed it through odin because i was really tired of waiting.
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Personally, I do believe that KA6 was suddenly delivered via Kies to shut us all up.
However, I don't really mind how updates are released. They don't have to be OTA. As long as Samsung releases timely updates, even if it is via Kies, then I will be a happy customer. (Oh and they still need to fix the hardware gps flaw)
If they release Gingerbread via kies in a timely manner, I will even somewhat forgive them, but I still will not buy another Samsung made product again for a very long time if ever.
im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.
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They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
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I have the same opinion. I believe this was just a "shut them up" maneuver and the easier softer way for them to do it. Also from what I have read in the threads there seems to be a number of people with problems from the Keis fiasco.
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im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.
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Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.
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Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.
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well i guess all that lag takes away from the dalvik jit
also the flash, we've had for like months so you know,
S15274N Great Posting
I agree on your general Ideas. I really like the Idea of posting a fast Q & A
I like the Idea of Making a thread that lists all the stock apps (with apk attached etc.) for those who want that sort of thing.
And, I agree Samsung is just trying to avoid a Gun Fight with the customers. We customers Really are making it hard for Tmo and Samsung to continue their personal "*****-match"
We need to continue to Keep the Pressure on Samsung to keep them adhering to the open source licensing agreement thet agree to when installing Android.
Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"
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Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"
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they'll probably release it on like the 60th day waiting till its like 11:59PM then they upload. lol.
Based off your #1 statment I can only say that this is exactly why they released the "official update". The thing is after the first rumor was released and the **** hit the fan causing multiple threads and 1,000's of post, among other things, there was a small thread and article that was covered and only happen to receive less then 50 post that stated:
The same credible source that gave the first rumor added the reason why samsung and/or tmobile haven't given the update Is because samsung is charging the carriers for OS updates. This means samsung was expecting each carrier to pay per handset sold(later to be denied by samsung).
You can have your own take on samsung or tmo, but the remainder stays the same. That is if the sites which released the rumors spoke to the same source and one rumor is true, then possibly the second Could be also. This also shows 2 other things that will forever fault the android community and the Internet alike. The mob mentality and the feeling of some type of entitlement will cloud the truth or fuel rumors and/or other things that none of use are entitled to know or understand.
One good thing that has come out of this is the fact that now samsung is responsible to release the 2.2 source.via the GPL. Going forward id say Let's try and not let this happen with the real ota, if that ever really happens... lol.
Moral of the story:
Becareful what you wish for. You might just get it... kinda.
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So I've been messing around trying to see what I can get going on the froyo front and I'm running into some problems....
first off, froyo isn't a huge fan of the galaxy s hardware...in AVD, when I create the profile in terms of the captivate hardware and it is buggy even in emulation...this doesn't bode well for actual hardware use. Maybe I'm just really bad at development but I dunno...
So secondly, on the phone itself I thought i'd try to just send over the image to see if the phone would even accept it. While the bootloader seems to be fine and not too worried about accepting an image (the touchwiz 2.1) it doesn't want to accept the buggy froyo.
So i've given it some shots, but its gonna take someone or a group of people who're smarter than me to see why the bootloader isn't really unlocked and why the avd doesn't like the galaxy s hardware specifications
I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
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I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
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well it should work without it being specifically released (see aria, and every old HTC) but for some reason it's not. I'm probably just doing something wrong... i was a WM dev then an iPhone dev, I'm just learning the whole android development stuff
Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
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Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Just doing a quick Twitter search for "iphone captivate" yields 80% of the peope tweeting something along the lines of leaving their iPhone 4 for a captivate. Lets hope the Dev's share the same thoughts.
Hey I would just like to know if the Galaxy S has something. Can you go into Apps managment and look for an app called "device managment"? If it's there and at 40+ mb's then that is a recovery rom. It is a duplicate of your starting rom. You can clear it most likely to regain space but after a reboot it will come back. There is another partition on the phone that stores the rom and the phone will run a check on boot up to make sure it's there. If not then it replaces it. It can be hacked out permanently but I know the Galaxy S doesn't really have any issues about storage space.
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I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Very much apperciated, and the links were helpful on how this all will go down. This greatly changes on if I'll keep my Captivate. I know you should be happy with the phone you have, not the one you'll get, but I don't think I can stomach having a phone that won't be supported come Q4.
If the galaxy phones sell well it will be supported. They do have some phones that have gone from 1.5 to 2.1. Just don't expect any haste out of there crew
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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true...
I was just messing around with the sdk and whatnot and thought what the hell I have a spare I might as well try
but i guess it's above my head. I'm gonna keep reading up on it though, I'm not the best coder (my expertise lies in c++) but I can surely give it a shot
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The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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Tell that to Cyanogen and Avalaunchmods and Herver who are all making FroYo ROMs for the Evo.
This sucks. I was kinda looking into replacing my 9700 with the Captivate and keeping at&t and Sprint both...
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
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wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
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Yeah being able to remove the bloatware and using launcher pro and some of the stock Android apps like music is nice but still having to leave any TouchWiz stuff there is annoying. It will be the same on the official release just with 2.2 so I don't see why there wouldn't already be development for a custom ROM for captivate based off the stock Froyo 2.2 straight from Google. In fact this reminds me that I need to keep reading up and playing around so I might be able to do something even though it would only be for future development.
I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
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I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
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This. I'd love to see Gingerbread on this phone.
As you probably know last Month that Samsung pulled-out the froyo Update files of the Samsung Galaxy S from its servers due to Many System Bugs that Made the Android froyo unstable and laggy. And Samsung UK confirmed on its twitter Status that the Froyo Update is Coming on November on its Final Version and to All Network operators and No More Delays...No More pulling-out!!
We Got Some Information that the Release Date of the Galaxy S Froyo update for USA Carriers and UK Carriers is somewhere around 11th November,2010 as a FINAL Release Date. Worldwide release will follow in few days after the Official Release of the Froyo ROM for Samsung Galaxy S, which Means that All Galaxy S users Worldwide (Include Middle-East and Arab gulf users) will get the update on November along with UK,USA Carriers too.
Froyo rolling out in UK Nov 4
So The Update is Coming Finally and NO More Delays AT ALL... More Stable... More Smoother, its a matter of time right Now. As I always say "Waiting for the froyo to come-out, better than waiting for it to load!".
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Hmm. My read of the actual text that Samsung sent out is not actually any different than it was a week or so ago: the i9000 will probably have 2.2 sometime before the end of the month, along with the rest of the UK/Europe. I really don't see anything in the "official" Samsung notice that indicates Verizon, or any other US carrier.
However, since the blog posts cite "Some information" for "somewhere around 11th, November as a FINAL release date" (How's that for ambiguous, "somewhere around", but it's also "FINAL"...), I'll be guardedly optimistic.
Make that HEAVILY GUARDEDLY optimistic...
Verizon will decide when its released, not Samsung.
it says late in November for the carrier branded versions
adrynalyne said:
Verizon will decide when its released, not Samsung.
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....Bingo!
/sigh
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I don't care. Wait before you flame, please...
I spent the last year with an Omnia, and I tried every possible rom on it until I found the one I liked/could put up with the missing features. It wasn't perfect, but I knew that a sweet android phone was in my upgrade future so I dealt. WinMo has it's flaws, but you can't fault the dev community for everything they did to make an ok device better.
Now here I sit swyping on arguably the best hardware on the market (other Galaxy S offerings aside...) and I have to say I really like it.
Voodoo-ed, de-binged, de-odexed, and de-TouchWizzed is way easier than trying a dozen roms on a weekend and adding .cabs from 100 websites to come up with a phone that still half the time didn't know where my finger was trying to press!
What does FroYo have to offer? Apps that run off the SD card? Flash? Minor, although it is a bit frustrating that by the time we get it, it will just about be time for gingerbread.
Guess I'm trying to say, the best stuff about froyo is going to get too us sooner or later whether VZW or Samsung give it to us or the very talented dev community here makes it happen. News that comes from them isn't why I log in here.
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adrynalyne; said:
Verizon will decide when its released, not Samsung.
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Just trying to give some legit info for a change... A lot of wet noodles.
Ok so I was told 2.2 would be released the other day.... and YES I used the word NINJA. ... I was wrong. But do we gotta keep mentioning NINJAS? ? Hahahahahahaha : )
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No ninja source? I have my doubts about this info...
As for Froyo, I am excited to have flash, but beyond that, voodoo seems to meet my needs. Sure, you can't get rid of voodoo without performing a animal sacrifice, but it does make my phone smooth and sexy.
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Just trying to give some legit info for a change... A lot of wet noodles.
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Sorry man, I wasn't trying to pee in your cornflakes, it's just that I have more faith in devs than VZW & Samsung to get us what we want.
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I don't know about you but I am waiting for my navigation to be fixed. Not to worried about the little extras but the major fixes that are, major.
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Quoted from original post 'No More pulling-out!!' That's what she said! Ha Ha...
I'm sorry I couldn't help it. I wont do it again I swear.
Honestly I can't wait to see what magic the dev community creates with Froyo and the Fascinate. My thanks to all of you!!!
Hopefully what happened with all the Droid 1 releases is what will happen here:
Motorola (in this case Samsung) readies a build, gives it to VZW for testing.
VZW takes forever testing it, and either rejects or preps it for release.
The "hopefully" part is that, hopefully, in the meantime, the file gets leaked from the Samsung end and into our hands.
Not trying to be pessimistic, but if that first file didn't leak, Im doubtful that this one will leak early either
If Verizon decides to sit on the release at least we have US Cellular as a backup. In fact it seems like US Cellular does not waste their time with carrier customizations so they might just push it out the same day they get it from Samsung.
I used to be a US Cellular customer, my wife still is, they will not get in any hurry, I would not count on them for anything.
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If Verizon decides to sit on the release at least we have US Cellular as a backup. In fact it seems like US Cellular does not waste their time with carrier customizations so they might just push it out the same day they get it from Samsung.
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You missed the point of the post bud.
Verizon, or any carrier, does NO customizations, they have NO development (read: coding) teams. They don't alter the file they receive from the OEM (in this case Samsung) in ANY WAY. The bloatware you see comes with the build straight out of Samsung's repository, with the specs that Verizon requested. They take their sweet time for a multitude of reasons, and somewhere in that timeframe its held up for internal testing. Each carrier is different, but Verizon is notorious for being an extensive tester, and rejecting builds pretty often.
Bloatware that Samsung did not code....VZW did or outsourced. Hence people are arguing with you. You aren't wrong, but neither are you entirely correct.
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I made this post to give some indication of the progress of Froyo, sadly most people want more or are intent on offering some type of dark cloud.
I know Froyo might not be released on the 11th, but at least we have a legit source of its progress. Hopefully around that time or before we will have a leaked build for testing and or roms (like some other devices). I'm sure thats when the dev section will take off.
well if samsung releases it Nov 11, dont they post the source up too, so we could have a modded version running before vzw does anything?
Today, I kept getting random messages from random numbers, so I called in to block, the rep also had a vibrant. So she was like "So... how do you like the vibrant?"
I'm all like "It's sexy"
But it took her so long to solve my problems, so I asked about random stuff like "Do you know when Froyo is coming out?"
She was a pretty "SMART TECH" you don't see those much on help lines now do you?
She replies: Let me check on that for you
and then she came back on and said "it won't be anytime soon, because if it is anytime soon, the tech supports usually knows weeks or months beforehand, but right now, it says 'to be determined'"
SO, do you guys it'll take as long as the rep said?
Unfortunately, this still fell into the same "He Said She Said" category, until we get an official statement, it's all moot. She may be smart but she is still a rep and I doubt she will have access to OTA information. She most likely turned around and asked her best friend/co-worker who is a tech, and he replied that he didn't know anything, and she passes that onto you.
I think she's right. We already know that froyo would come by the end of the year according to the galaxy s twitter. I expect it to come around December 29. Am I so pessimistic?
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I think she's right. We already know that froyo would come by the end of the year according to the galaxy s twitter. I expect it to come around December 29. Am I so pessimistic?
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No, I believe you are pretty optimistic. End of December...well..
same here. I read the same thing in a tech online magazine.. they actually said 2011 but no precise date..
Im running the unofficial TMO froyo posted in this forum though and I like it
Cheers
Personally, I think Samsung should just give up and hand over the kernel source, maybe keep some respect.
The Unoffical Official T-MO Froyo ROM is in the Development section. If that is actually the real thing (and I completely believe it is) I don't see what the delay is for them to just release it.
Even when it does come out, I know for myself that I will keep a custom ROM. Why have stock when you can rock!
I think the point for all of us that are running one of the leaked 2.2 roms is that an official release will have more of the bugs ironed out and it will help with some of the compatibility issues. I for one have tried all flavors and each has a quirk or two. The good thing is that when 2.2 finally drops officially the devs will have almost perfected their roms and it will be easier to implement any changes made by Tmobile.
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I agree with the previous post. I think Samsung leaked the ROM so that the devs here could get their hands on it and make fixes that they then can implement into the official ROM.
So it wouldn't be so embarrasing on Samsung's part? x) Something big like a software update isn't too "easily" leaked. So I do sort of have to agree too.
Here is how I see it. There are still a ton of people complaining about the fact that Samsung and Tmoble have not released an offical Froyo for the Vibrant. Honistly why are people still waiting? There are a TON of 2.2 options on the dev page, they are all good at this point and they are being produced with leak software which is being released about once a week at this point. Macnut 14 for example is sooooo good that even if tmoble did release a offical Froyo I wouldn't even bother to download it. I would just wait for someone release a custom rom that used the most recent code.
With that in mind, we are constantly geting the most recent code with all the leaked versions that keep comming. Affter playing with the stock versions of these leaks, im GLAD that they are not releasing these as OTA updates yet. This would stop them from improving the code as rapidly as they are. As it is, every time a new firmware is leaked, it takes our devs here at XDA to make it something truly wonderful.
Ultimately, no one who post on this forum should complain for one simple reason. If you are posting here then you have obviouly found the forum. If you found the forum, then you are one click away from the Dev forum where you can get so much Froyo that you will have brain freaze for a year!!! For those of you afraid to try flashing your software read this.
1. Is easyer than you think
2. You wont hard brick your phone,
3. If you read a follow the directions step by step, you will be fine
4. Your not going to void your warrenty if the first thing you learn to do is flash back to JI6 (stock)
5. You will fix the large majority of the problems you may be experencing on your phone now with 2.2
The new Froyo roms are SAFE to flash. If something goes wrong there are step by step directions here to recover back to stock. If you are still nervous about flashing, just stay away from the lag fixes and you will be fine. Lag fixes are for more experenced users and are not needed so your not missing out that much as any 2.2 rom is going to be much faster than 2.1 JI6.
Guys, the latest that samsung has offer is right here on this site!!! Take advantage of it and learn the few simple things it takes to become a power user. Your phone is good hardware, give it the software it craves and the moble experence you want. Im shure samsung is working as fast as they can especaly with the new Nexus just coming out, but when this update goes live, its going to be for everyone, including the people that have never heard of XDA or even cared about Froyo to begin with. It has to be flawless firmware for the masses. The longer they take the better its going to be, and if you want it now, you can have what they they've got so far just by pulling it from this very website
Forget class action, forget refunds and *****ing. The only word you need to learn is ODIN. After that, your in control thanks to the great devs here at XDA. Oh, and by the way, you may want to learn how to use ODIN right now. Think about it, Froyo is cool, but Gingerbread is on the way guys, and those of us who are willing to take the time to read will have 2.3 long before those of you who complain and do nothing to educate yourselfs will have Froyo.
From now on, whenever I see a "lets sue Tmo for no Froyo" thread, im going to post one simple phase:
"Complain less, ODIN more!!!!"
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some could argue it will run better than custom 2.2? but whos complaining
hack away!
I've gone back to stock as custom roms will always have a bug or two, and more so when they are based off of a leaked rom(and there have been more then one for 2.2). I'm waiting till an official update is released before I try custom roms again.
Odin and Rom Manager are great, and I have enjoyed geeking away my time with roms on XDA. However:
1. Not everyone has time to waste exploring a bunch of roms to see which are stable.
2. Samsung probably appreciates XDA because it takes the pressure off of them:. The most savvy consumers are placated by the ability to get Froyo on their own.
Imagine Toyota never releasing a recall on their automobiles after the safety scandals, and that instead people on YouTube taught people how to fix the cars themselves in the garage. Sure, mechanically inclined folks would jump at the opportunity, and perhaps say, don't be mad at Toyota, fix it yourselves! Toyota would probably like the "DIY" trend among their customers.
Sure, we should take action and get Froyo ourselves, but that should not lessen our anger at Samsung/T-Mobile.
One very good reason to complain about the lack of an official 2.2 release is that Samsung won't release source until that's out. If we had source, we would have had CM6 or a true AOSP build by now.
quadratic said:
One very good reason to complain about the lack of an official 2.2 release is that Samsung won't release source until that's out. If we had source, we would have had CM6 or a true AOSP build by now.
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And now we have the source for 2.3 AND the Nexus S kernel source. I'd put my money on seeing that kernel working on the vibrant in short order and full AOSP gingerbread roms not long after.
Samsung Software department is a joke, 2.3 is out and sammys latest and greatest phone still runs software from over a year ago
GPS is still borked on all roms. Is it usable? Somewhat. But I wouldn't trust it if my life depended on it. Samsung fixed the initial lock issue. It locks fine with 10-12 sat locked with maybe 5m error. The problem is when you use it for navigation. The GPS will lose the lock repeatedly and randomly jump. This after Odin to stock JFD and then Odin to newest JL4. I used Samsung GPSrestore app to reset the GPS settings. I tried about every leaked and custom roms since the release of this phone. GPS is still crappy. GPS Status app showing sat lock doesn't mean it's fixed.
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*Every* custom 2.2 rom has "issues" that will be solved once the official 2.2 is released.
First, Thank god this is not a safety issue like the Toyota stuff, lol.
As far as the source being released, true, but we must concider the fact, as im sure they have, that we are geting the gingerbread source. If that ports, then its going to more than make up for CM6 or AOSP 2.2 IMHO....
For those of you who posted that your going to stick with the stock roms, there is not a thing wrong with that. Great thing is your not the type that complains. You know what it takes to debug this stuff and have tried the custom roms. For me, Macnut final was less buggy that JI6. Im a happy camper. You tried them and made an informed, educated decission and didn't just get on a soap box with a megaphone and gripe.
This is what im talking about, choices. We are lucky enough to have choices here and options when it comes to our software. For all the complaining we do, many other phone owners dont have those options.
As for "evey bug that is in the Roms will be fixed in 2.2 offical" I hope your right, but it takes time to debug and people who say "I WANT IT NOW!!!!< YOU PROMISED!!! WAAAAAA". They need to realize if it was put out NOW it would have the exact same bugs as the roms. As you might note, the bugs in the roms are geting fewer and fewer. Once they are all gone, the BAM!!! Offical release. But in the mean time, we shoud be gratefull for what we have, and what we have comming, namely Gingerbread..
I dont want to get into the GPS issue in this thread. Software is never going to be the compleate fix, i've already stated this elsewhere. I still beleave its mostly due to a bad connection to the antenna. When I fixed that on mine, it solved 95 percent if my gps issues, and updated modems fixed the rest. The GPS may be one place a Vibrant owner truely has some ground to complain, but Im strictly talking about people who complain about the 2.2 update here.
YatimaMeiji said:
I've gone back to stock as custom roms will always have a bug or two, and more so when they are based off of a leaked rom(and there have been more then one for 2.2). I'm waiting till an official update is released before I try custom roms again.
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Please tell you me you do not think official stock releases are perfect lol? Look at the GPS issues 2.1 had when the Vibrant was released. ODIN and custom ROMS are my best friends lol
kusotare said:
And now we have the source for 2.3 AND the Nexus S kernel source. I'd put my money on seeing that kernel working on the vibrant in short order and full AOSP gingerbread roms not long after.
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+1 to be completely honest, i'd be content getting the froyo source from Sammy and getting the JIT improvements ported over. GB doesn't excite me as much as froyo did when it was new. I just like the idea of AOSP and JIT improvements.
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yeah, my favorite is people saying samsung software devs suck cause we don't have froyo and tw sucks and blah blah blah blah, then complain they don't have an 'official' 2.2 when that 'official' 2.2 would have been released by those same samsung devs that suck and some/most of the 'unofficial' 2.2 roms we have are created by good/competent devs. but they aren't 'official'. lol.
If you are still having GPS problems after trying all the fixes and ROMs than ytou may have a hardware issue requiring a replacement.
ive flashed many roms and at first I thought it was the best thing ever till I started to see bugs and problems with mms or mounting issues and then came the fixes and I was like ok its fixed but theres some problems that didnt get fixed like the mic input volume is low when recording a video on a leaked 2.2 rom i confirmed it by going back to JI6, then I noticed my haptic feedback was messed up and i would get weak glitchy vibrations overall. GPS was never an issue for me and the roms with "improved/fixed gps" made it worse or didnt change at all. So as of now im done flashing and waiting for the OTA update.
Steeltippin said:
Please tell you me you do not think official stock releases are perfect lol? Look at the GPS issues 2.1 had when the Vibrant was released. ODIN and custom ROMS are my best friends lol
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GPS does work, and thats because I'm running UVJI6(the Tmo Official 2.1 updated rom).
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If you are still having GPS problems after trying all the fixes and ROMs than ytou may have a hardware issue requiring a replacement.
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Let's see. My Vibrant has the same problem. My wife's Vibrant has the same problem. Two of my friends have Vibrants and they have the same problem. One did a replacement exchange and that has the same problem. 5 out of 5 different Vibrants have the same problem. You really think exchanging is going to solve this issue? I refuse to believe any Vibrant owner has a perfect working gps. It might be borderline usable but it's still ****ty GPS compared to other phones.
Froyo I can hack. 100% working GPS is another matter.
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it's because when the official is out the devs will release a better custom roms!
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Let's see. My Vibrant has the same problem. My wife's Vibrant has the same problem. Two of my friends have Vibrants and they have the same problem. One did a replacement exchange and that has the same problem. 5 out of 5 different Vibrants have the same problem. You really think exchanging is going to solve this issue? I refuse to believe any Vibrant owner has a perfect working gps. It might be borderline usable but it's still ****ty GPS compared to other phones.
Froyo I can hack. 100% working GPS is another matter.
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As I've said, gps works perfectly in mine and I'm able to use it for navigation. I would say 1) if they are stock, are they running the update? 2) check serial numbers, if they are close enough, could have been part of a bad batch. I'm not trying to make excuses, but just suggestions. There are those who would say just flash a custom rom, but I know that isn't for everyone. I say try to exhaust every option you have with Tmo, but if thing still dont work out, i would recommend the EECB(Electronic Executive Carpet Bomb). I've had results in getting corporations to help me out with this(Tmo and Chase). Basically you send a mass email to every executive you can get a hold of. But I would only use this as a last resort as you can use your previous attempts with the regular customer service as evidence in any argument you make in the email, just make sure its a polite one. Ones full of flame and hate tend to not work.
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it's because when the official is out the devs will release a better custom roms!
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And thats what I'm waiting for, and official base from which the devs will work from. But thats not to say there still wont be bugs, I've never met a perfect rom, simply good enough.
the samsung galaxy s our phones will not get updated till mid-April claims.
@samsungsuomi :Galaxy S:n Android 2.3 -päivityksen testausvaihe on loppumetreillään. Uusi ohjelmistoversio saapuu ladattavaksi huhtikuun puolivälissä
which translates to: Galaxy S Android 2.3 update to the testing phase is a late stage. The new version of the software download arrives in mid-April,
if these sources are correct Samsung owes us all a apology as they promised march we will be getting gingerbread
or by getting gingerbread they meant leaked ?
TechKidTarek said:
if these sources are correct Samsung owes us all a apology as they promised march we will be getting gingerbread
or by getting gingerbread they meant leaked ?
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An apology for what - all news we were receiving the past months were "unofficial sources" or rumours or "i know i guy who knows a guy who works at S", I never actually read anything official, e.g. on a samsung website.
Even though the news, which was "almost" official (samsung romania facebook), rejected an actual release date at the end of march.
Just stay relaxed, an update will come in a few hours / days / weeks / years
Kind regards,
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I don't know why people always think that they deserve an apology from Samsung or that they get bad software support. Does anybody here have a written (or otherwise) guarantee that Sammy is giving us GB at a specific time? I guess not...
I admit that the first Eclair ROMs were crap and the GPS could be better, but seriously stop the whining, it's like talking with little kids that want their candy! Just wait until it's done and if it takes two weeks longer to sort out some bugs, then so be it...
I agree....they should apologize for possibly not living up to "a friend of a friend said" rumors, or for changing their roadmap to suit the pronouncements off the cuff on the facebook page of a regional Samsung distributer in a small market?
Really?
Or because Tricky used what he felt could possibly be the final 2.3.3 (though from user reports if it IS final, to quote Ricky Ricardo, Samsung's got some 'splainin to do) to make a big entry into the ROM Kitchen team?
Somehow I don't think so. No apologies required, from anyone. Just patience.
To be honest, considering no source is released and there seem to be various problems/quirks with JVK, I would prefer they take a couple weeks and give us a much more ready for prime time version.
Relax, Gingerbread is coming...just be patient and enjoy your 2.2.1 Custom ROMs and be grateful again you aren't stuck with just a single flavor of iOS.
Since I'm a new user and I cant post links, I'm just going to quote. Finnish branch of Samsung has announced a press release a few hours ago through a publishing company:
Translated in Google Translate said:
Samsung Android-range success of the phone Galaxy S is updated Android 2.3. Update arrives in mid-April.
Soon Android successful Android phone is updated Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)-version of the software. The update is a welcome gift for the Galaxy S owners. Update the test phase is late stage, and the new OS version arrives users to download in mid-April.
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Google "epressi Samsung Galaxy S 2.3" for the article and translate it through Google Translate.
I'm wondering why the press release is not on Samsung's website.
VillePie said:
I'm wondering why the press release is not on Samsung's website.
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Until it IS on Samsung's website, or we see it in Korean, I would tend to take that with a grain of salt.
FFS...
You have Gingerbread now. It's stable and useable. This can't hold you over a few more weeks?
I swear people just like hearing themselves *****.
am now on 2.3.3
gingerbread!
why wine about waiting for kies just flash it ya self.
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am now on 2.3.3
gingerbread!
why wine about waiting for kies just flash it ya self.
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Maybe because it looks like JVK is not the final release version and still has some bugs?.
The thing with these web blogs and tech news pages is they all tend to get their "exclusive" news from the same sources which 9 out of 10 times are wrong. Case in point recent news quoting Samsung Mobile Facebook page which wasn't as it was the SamsungGalaxyS Facebook page which looked remarkably similar until you read the owner info. Something you would think they would check first really. Egg face say no more.
electrotune1200 said:
FFS...
You have Gingerbread now. It's stable and useable. This can't hold you over a few more weeks?
I swear people just like hearing themselves *****.
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I can't see why people can't use their time anticipating the new release. It's not your time, obviously. Some people want to flash their phone with a safe, official firmware and want to know some ETA when it's going to happen. It's not like people are F5'ing every Android news site. Of course, this can hold but can't there be any speculation? It's up to XDA's moderators to decide, is this topic worth of discussing.
What comes to the first post, this is good news (if true) and in my opinion most reliable newsbit so far about Gingerbread. You shouldn't take it for granted that Samsung is liable to update its firmwares and "breaks promises" if doesn't. Operating as a company, Samsung's every firmware update is giving something to us, the customers. When people buy their phones, Samsung's is not liable to update firmwares if there's nothing critically wrong with it. Froyo is good but now we are on the road towards something even better. And it's a win-win situation to us.
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Maybe because it looks like JVK is not the final release version and still has some bugs?.
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you must have done somthing wrong then as I have no bugs at all been on it since saturday
I think even mid April is a tad optimistic. That's like 2 weeks.. and there's quite a bit left to fix and add. Together with the speed of which samsung works, I'm guessing May at the earliest.
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I don't know why people always think that they deserve an apology from Samsung or that they get bad software support. Does anybody here have a written (or otherwise) guarantee that Sammy is giving us GB at a specific time? I guess not...
I admit that the first Eclair ROMs were crap and the GPS could be better, but seriously stop the whining, it's like talking with little kids that want their candy! Just wait until it's done and if it takes two weeks longer to sort out some bugs, then so be it...
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Samsung dont owe you anything. They provide roms where others stopped. Sit back and wait for the final...
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