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Wow, everyone is trying to get rid of their Galaxy S

So, I'm a daily patron on craigslist and as a side hobby I trade phones, I always seem to make a profit if I wait so it's something I do kinda for fun. I have had a recent influx of literally every kind of galaxy S phone there is aside from the Nexus S (which I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole.) For example, I posted my HD7 less than 2 hours ago, and have had 13 offers, 4 are unlocked iphones and the remaining 9 have all been captivates or vibrants all offering as much as 150 cash with their phone for an HD7. I mean a couple would be written off as coincidence but literally every offer. I mean I knew these phones were crap the first time I touched the vibrant but it's funny seeing all these media sheep finally realizing they made a bad deal. Samsung has always been the biggest scam artist in the phone world and it's good to see so many people finally realizing it. This just goes to show that HTC is the only way to go

You can't really talk unless you've owned a galaxy s phone. I can tell you from experience the Captivate or Vibrant is anything but a piece of ****. Given, the software sucks but that's why we have xda, right?
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Had a vibrant 3 days, rooted, unlocked, and running the G2 girmware (or a clone). Worst phone I've had since the cliq. The original software was crap (thank you XDA for that save) and the overall plasticky feel of it paired with the buffer overrun issue just killed it. My wife owns a captivate, much better build quality and doesnt seem to have the same buffer issues though I would think it should. XDA has made that phone usable but by default... hardly. I'd still pick an HD2 running android over it any day. Of course this is ffrom someone whos grown tired of android as a whole and the fact that it has to be constantly 'tweaked' just to remain functional but as a former android fanboy, those phones were kinda an embarassment and way overhyped for mediocrity.

I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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People that sell out vibrant can't handle vibrant or android imho.Get an iphone and don't even bother with any android.
Vibrant nero v3
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people who buy vibrants are people who do what the media tells them is more individual. Go be a mac user. I'll stick to real android devices manufactured by HTC as they should be.

Had a Samsung SGH-i900 Omnia between jan 2009 and mars 2010 (dropped it in water that killed the Omnia but thank lord not the SIM and memory cards).
Anyone still remember the Samsung marketing of that phone. Well to make a long story short: The i900 never delivered what Samsung promised in their marketing.
Sticking to SonyEricsson now.

TheBiles said:
I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR

essojay said:
but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
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hence the reason hes texting from a G2... he obviously gave it up...

I own a Captivate - and other than the crappy OTA OS, non-working GPS, random shutdowns, and the lag... it's a great phone.
But.. thanks to XDA and much tweaking the performance of the phone is better, GPS hobbles along semi working - but the shutdown issue still exists due to hardware and I've been too busy to go get it exchanged.
I wouldn't recommend getting a Samsung phone to anyone. I like mine (when it works) but couldn't recommend it to anyone else.

essojay said:
but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
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I guess you missed the "sent from my G2."

If you were in the UK I may have brought something from ya, I could do with another phone xD

the nexus s is the biggest phone ripoff ive seen in some time ... they took a half year(which is alot in phone life) hardware , gave it an update that everyone is gonna have in a few months anyway , slapped a full price on , and WOW THE NEW NEXUSSSSS !! ppl who fall for that , well i pity them

Wow, everyone is trying to get rid of their Galaxy S...
...Some of us never even had one

some people were so lucky.

I will personally never buy a samsung phone again after owning the moment. The wife has an epic and loves it but i dont care much for it.
That said the latest LG phones have been very nice and i am not a fan of sense so its nice to have options other than htc.

Your average every day person will either think the vibrant is a great phone or a complete fail. I liked my vibrant until I started hearing about the issues and realized they exist. Now, after many modifications, I like it more than any phone out now.
I work with 3 people that own droid x's. Anytime I've asked any of them to play with it, it's had nearly as much lag as my stock vibrant. I owned a g2 for 3 days and mytouch 4g for a week. Those are for people that want a new, fast phone and don't care how it looks or how they look using one. Neither are very physically attractive, they run decent though.
Galaxy S phones were definitely a fail software wise by samsung. Hardware wise, they're still as good as anything else. They aren't for people that want a top phone but don't want to modify it.
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some nnob said he had G2 firmware on his Vibrant... BS! My vibrant is a G2/MT4G/EVO/DroidX killer, screw benchmarks, just take raw performance. Yes I rooted and flashed roms (no lag-fix though) but thats wats so great abiut android.
Now I will say that out of the box it has issues, but so has every phone. (excluding the G1 it was excellent) But I have working gps, night mode imo better than led flash, ffc with all video chat apps working, noled for notifications, full 2.2 with flash 10.1, ect...
The SGS community have made thus phone great. People just have to take advantage.
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well I mean there have been over 10 million galaxy s phones sold, so its understandable that they'd show up on craigslist more. but because of past experiences with Samsung, (ie my mom's moment) I would never trust a Samsung again. should've got her a htc hero.
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everyone says sammy's bad about updating but what about moto and the cliq? htc and the G1 after the mytouch and n1 release? Dell and sony still shipping 1.6? they all sucked. Sammy was smart by concentrating on one device, working the update and allowing the carrier to add tweaks. The phone has been here 6mos max and people are clamoring that they are slow, the phone is still new, and they've dropped updates already for launch day issues. If your unit is defective exchange it, you got a year warranty like the rest of us.
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Possibly buying a Fascinate

Well, I was going to buy one of the new 4G phones because as it was rumored the Thunderbolt was supposed to be available this weekend.. but it is not to be I suppose SOOO..
I'm looking to buy a Fascinate off contract in order to save my upgrade.
Just wondering if there is anything I should know? I have an Incredible and I know depending on your model number it's either AMOLED or SLCD. Now I know all Fascinates are SAMOLED, but I was just using that as an example of something I would need to know if I was buying an Incredible.. if that makes any sense at all.
Thanks for your time

As far as I know there are no differences in the fascinates out here beyond best buys unique white model.
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Honestly wait for the iphone. Android is garbage in my opinion. I had the fascinate and well without the applications to spruce up a phone......well its just a phone. And i think we all want more!!!

BigBonkers said:
Honestly wait for the iphone. Android is garbage in my opinion. I had the fascinate and well without the applications to spruce up a phone......well its just a phone. And i think we all want more!!!
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And I guess the iPhone is so much more than a phone without applications to spruce it up Once again, stop trolling here. You have 20 posts and none of them have something besides bashing the Fascinate or Android.

Just another jealous Icrap fanboy who has nothing better to do than hang out in here...Get a life and a real PHONE!
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Hands down, better than the Incredible.
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If you're going to end up upgrading to a 4G phone soon after you buy the Fascinate, then why get it at all? It's just a waste of money when you already have an Incredible. Just wait for a good phone to come out.
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Yeah, if I hadn't just gotten the Fascinate I would probably prefer to wait for the i520. The new SAMOLED+ looks even more amazing than SAMOLED, and I'm probably one of the few who wishes the Fascinate had a bigger screen.

I have a fascinate and an incredible right now. The fascinate is better hardware wise. The only thing keeping me on the incredible is cyanogen.
The fascinate is STILL stuck on 2.1 and while it performs well it still feels like it's missing something. I also miss the track ball and the camera of the incredible. And the name is much better IMO
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Just wait for the new 4.3 inch beast phones coming out for Verizon right now.
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Dizfunky said:
If you're going to end up upgrading to a 4G phone soon after you buy the Fascinate, then why get it at all? It's just a waste of money when you already have an Incredible. Just wait for a good phone to come out.
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Well I can get a Fascinate for cheap without wasting my upgrade since a friend has it, and we need another phone in the family since my sister broke her original droid (it held up admirably for a good while).

TheSonicEmerald said:
Just wait for the new 4.3 inch beast phones coming out for Verizon right now.
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None of the new phones introduced at CES will be released for several months...

Last I heard, the HTC Thunderbolt, an LTE phone, was going to be released later this month. I could be wrong though.
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BigBonkers said:
Honestly wait for the iphone. Android is garbage in my opinion. I had the fascinate and well without the applications to spruce up a phone......well its just a phone. And i think we all want more!!!
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Why do you even come to these forums?

ivorycruncher said:
Last I heard, the HTC Thunderbolt, an LTE phone, was going to be released later this month. I could be wrong though.
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At the press conference today they mentioned that all of the ten new devices they showed will be available the first half of the year, and "some as early as March"... So we are probably looking at April-May-June for most LTE devices

Guys no need to get angry. The guy asked for an opinion on the fascinate. And I think he needs one from someone who came from an Iphone on ATT to Samsung Fascinate on Verizon. What can he learn about a phone from ONLY people who are stuck with it........... Nothing. I think a negative review helps alot.
The fascinate has good hardware. But ive always said that android lacks in the applications department. Plain and simple.
Be smart the IPHONE is getting released on February 3rd. Wait try them both out....Then decide for yourself. Whats good for one person isnt good for another.
Another negative point SAMSUNG has the worst reputation with updating there android phones. Just a thought.

Your opinion does not make fact.
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Guys no need to get angry. The guy asked for an opinion on the fascinate. And I think he needs one from someone who came from an Iphone on ATT to Samsung Fascinate on Verizon. What can he learn about a phone from ONLY people who are stuck with it........... Nothing. I think a negative review helps alot.
The fascinate has good hardware. But ive always said that android lacks in the applications department. Plain and simple.
Be smart the IPHONE is getting released on February 3rd. Wait try them both out....Then decide for yourself. Whats good for one person isnt good for another.
Another negative point SAMSUNG has the worst reputation with updating there android phones. Just a thought.
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However, his question was not about which overall phone he should get. Just if there were anything specific to know about within the Fascinate family.
As for your opinion, its just that, you're personal opinion that only fits you. You were used to an iPhone and the apps you had. You got a completely different product that you are less happy with because you probably can't find the same apps or ones that worked comparably to what you had. Does that mean its automatically inferior, no, we as humans are just habitual and dislike change.
As for hardware, yeah, the iPhone's front camera and Apple's specific image software to tip the scales for the iPhone4 over the Fascinate. However, the EVO 4G easily bests the iPhone4.
If he were to wait on a different phone, he should do as others said and keep the Incredible and wait until later this year when a slew of LTE phones drop that ALL destroy iPhone4 and probably 5 as it will not be 4G.
As for iOS vs Android, meh, personal opinion. I like Android better as a techy guy and love the better inclusion of Google products. Again, we humans are habitual and my short stints with friends iPhones really don't do much.
For me, I'll stick with a far more open option that is rapidly surpassing anything iDevice has offered. Plus, I can create my own apps for free and without having to buy a Mac.

BigBonkers said:
Guys no need to get angry. The guy asked for an opinion on the fascinate. And I think he needs one from someone who came from an Iphone on ATT to Samsung Fascinate on Verizon. What can he learn about a phone from ONLY people who are stuck with it........... Nothing. I think a negative review helps alot.
The fascinate has good hardware. But ive always said that android lacks in the applications department. Plain and simple.
Be smart the IPHONE is getting released on February 3rd. Wait try them both out....Then decide for yourself. Whats good for one person isnt good for another.
Another negative point SAMSUNG has the worst reputation with updating there android phones. Just a thought.
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It's not about anger or hostility.
If you don't like this phone, why don't you go bug those people on the iphone forums. It just makes very little sense for you to come here and talk trash.

Didnt mean to talk trash guys. Wasnt my intention.

Nexus S2 or S "plus"

Well the vibrant plus had been announced.
- T-mo's 4G
- FFC
- Froyo
and more I'm sure.
So maybe the Nexus S2 rumors are true.
I have a feeling Samsung is pushing updated phones too quick. At least wait a year.
I further explain myself here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10540297&postcount=15
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That was a rumor, already dismissed.
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There's not much they can actually add other than an SD slot 4g and maybe the new samoled plus. if I was a vibrant owner I'd be extremely pissed to hear about this though. Its not right to do customers like that but they don't care they just see the $$$$
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NikolaiT said:
That was a rumor, already dismissed.
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Well in that case never mind lol
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If they do that ill go rage mode
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Didn't realize it was dismissed already.
But I guess the only thing keeping the from releasing another nexus would be Google. Unless Google felt the need to have a larger format dev phone like 4.3" screen, bring back HD video recording and possibly add a dual core processor.
Don't forget google already announced ice cream for this summer and the gingerbread isn't stale yet!
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here's the link to Vibrant 4G http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-plus-will-offer-21-mbps-4g-speeds/ for anybody interested

Well its gonna run Touchwiz and Froyo. Samsung will probably take forever to update it to gingerbread. That's enough to keep me away. I could care less about 4g Since I never see those speeds
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Dont think this will happen to us, the Nexus S is not a feature phone

I'm sorry, but anyone who buys a Samsung-supported phone at this point deserves what they will inevitably get.
The Behold II and Galaxy S fiascos should be ample warning: Samsung will NOT support the software on a phone it releases in the USA. The Vibrant 4G will release with Froyo, and will reach end-of-life with Froyo, except for custom ROMS.

Kill TouchWiz already!

Is it really Samsung, or is it Tmobile that delays the updates; or a combination of both?

zephiK said:
here's the link to Vibrant 4G http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-plus-will-offer-21-mbps-4g-speeds/ for anybody interested
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I like the fact that the new Vibrant Plus has a 1650mAH battery and 4g
This is why you ALWAYS buy phones with the idea that it will be left for dead by the manufacturer as soon as you buy it (unless of course you have a Nexus )
Couldn't imagine how crappy old Vibrant owners who signed 2-year contracts must feel since most people imagine they will have their phone be relevant for at least a year but it's already a "dinosaur" in their eyes in a little less than 6 months

splat matt said:
I have a feeling Samsung is pushing updated phones too quick. At least wait a year.
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A year is a VERY long time in the smartphone ecosystem, unless you're in a closed system like the iPhone with only yourself to compete with.
I've resigned myself to a new phone every 6 months for as long as I feel compelled to have the "latest, greatest" device.
A lot of Vibrant owners pissed off because of this, but I'm not going to fault Samsung for releasing what's a pretty major upgrade (true HSPA+ and FFC) 6-10 months after the SGS line came out.
Adding SAMOLED Plus would have made it less upsetting to most, I suspect.
I won't give Sammy a pass on the lack of Froyo progress on US model Galaxy S phones, though. They obviously have it (i9000 does, as does this); but is it possible their carrier partners are the problem here?
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Couldn't imagine how crappy old Vibrant owners who signed 2-year contracts must feel since most people imagine they will have their phone be relevant for at least a year but it's already a "dinosaur" in their eyes in a little less than 6 months
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Seriously?
C'mon, the Vibrant is still "relevant" and anything but a "dinosaur". It's still got one of the best screen technologies out there, a damn good GPU and CPU, 16gb internal and external sd cards, supports 7.2Mbs. Most non-XDA-member types will still love that phone for quite some time to come.

My point in all of this was Samsung denied that they were making a nexus 2 phone up until two weeks before release and dropped that they are making the nexus s; very clever.
Just like there were early rumors of vibrant plus and those were dismissed then at the end of CES it is announced.
So there have been rumors of a nexus s2 and I guess those have been dismissed as well unless they are are going to drop 2 weeks before google's release of "ice cream" a nexus s "plus". Speculative, I know but it fits the MO of Samsung and Google - short ly (apx 6mos.) after the mytouch was made into a dev phone the nexus one was announced with android 2.2. Maybe with the rapid rise of dual core phones and larger screens; google and samsung will want a dev phone this summer that will provide these options (dual core and larger screen) for devs to design HQ games and apps on. Because lets face it Apple iOS is one up on android because the quality games and that is it. Sony is releasing this year a PSP android gaming phone so I can only imagine google wanting their dev phones to start computing in that area as well.
G1 dev phone released Dec 2008
Mytouch "magic" ion dev released phone Aug 2009
(6 months span)
Nexus One dev phone released Jan 2010
Nexus S dev phone released Dec 2010
( ~ 6 months span)
Nexus S "plus" maybe in June/July 2011? marketing wise would take some steam out of apple's typical iphone release date.
Can't deny that there is some indicators of a possible marketing pattern.
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distortedloop said:
Seriously?
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Yes... Seriously

ap3604 said:
Yes... Seriously
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Someone needs a reality check...
EVERY phone you buy is irrelevant within a matter of months, if not weeks by the standards you seem to be applying.

I would never buy a Touchwiz phone. Ever. Straight garbage.
Stock or HTC Sense. That's it. Everything else sucks, IMO.

Teddy Bruckshut said:
I would never buy a Touchwiz phone. Ever. Straight garbage.
Stock or HTC Sense. That's it. Everything else sucks, IMO.
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Nexus S is not a touchwiz phone. The primary reason of thread was to create a discussion whether or not people saw the viability of another nexus product releasing in 6 mos.
If interested please read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10540297&postcount=15

The way i see it, is they will NOT do this to the Nexus S, there isnt enough profit in it for them

What's your thoughts on the upcoming Galaxy S II

I ask this question as a current Vibrant owner from the day it came out. I have seen all that Samsung has done with its first line of Galaxy S phones and so I'm not sure if all the new technology is going to be worth the upcoming headaches. Its easier to get a working ROM from the community rather than deal with official Samsung updates.
If you feel the same way I do, do you feel like the Vibrant is the last Samsung device you'll ever buy?
I'm just curious and it might help me make a decision on buying any upcoming devices from Samsung. Also since I've learned that the new Sidekick is going to be a Samsung device, I'm already depressed about that one.
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CharlieBoy808 said:
If you feel the same way I do, do you feel like the Vibrant is the last Samsung device you'll ever buy?
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I will definitely be upgrading if possible. I love the vibrant, but I'm not sure if it will ever see 2.4. I remember reading somewhere that 2.4 will utilize hardware acceleration for the ui, I'm really looking forward to that.

This will be my next phone love the phone............

I'm currently trying to decide if I am going to upgrade to it or hold off for something else. I think it just depends on what else comes out at MWC and when the release date will be on the S II.
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It's between this and HDdesire2 similar specs HTC doesn't seem to have a ffc.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/specification.html
I bought the galaxy s cause it had the most powerful cpu in the bunch + screen. The s2 = better screen + 1gb ram + dual core processor that's better than the hummingbird and the mali400 gpu is way better than current sgx540. Overall, it'll be the most powerful device in terms of hardware, i'll find some way to afford one!!
But yes, i'm pissed about the updates, wish they'd just release the source for everything and let the community do it if they don't want to.
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It's not about buying it or not. That's a sure buy for me.
It's about when it'll be available on the T-Mo network. T-Mobile has its own 3G frequency(1700?) making buying a smartphone without this feature(i.e., that's not OEMed for T-Mo) a hard decision.

Im buying the first HSPA+, 4.3 inch Android phone T-Mo puts out. If this is it then ill be upgrading to this.
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I don't know... it is going to be sooooo expensive unless they subsidize it on T-Mo. Right now you can get a decent Vibrant off craigslist for $250 off contract. That's pretty unbeatable. I doubt I'll be getting one of these for at least a year.

i prob wont end up getting it, samsung ruined their phones for me!

My next phone. Perfect timing with tax time
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Thank you community! Your input is very helpful. I guess time will tell when it has a tmo version. If it costs to much then no, if the price is right then Yes! or I just get the sidekick as im getting sick and tired of this virtual keyboard lol.
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Never again. Fed up with Samsung and their wannabe-software.
Concentrate on what you know; hardware.

Im kind of up in the air...cool comes with 2.3 but 2.3 isn't that great that's why 2.4 is out in couple months to fix what issues 2.3 has and to add features 2.3 should have had if it wasn't rushed.
So who knows when it will get 2.4
If i do decided to get im getting a real galaxy s 2 and not from carrier one thing to wait from Samsung another to wait for tmobile on top of it

Depends on what HTC has available on T-Mobile, if somehow HTC puts out a competing phone it will be a tossup, but will come down to the screen size and how well SLCD holds up against SAMOLED

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If i do decided to get im getting a real galaxy s 2 and not from carrier one thing to wait from Samsung another to wait for tmobile on top of it
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My sentiments exactly. Straight from Sammy or no thank you.

Wow have you guys seen this video? Seems very laggy - http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-official-tegra-2-4-3-inch-super-amoled-plu/

Getting a Windows Phone. Tired of dealing with manufacturer skins or crippled Nexus phones (i.e. Nexus S).
Also, why do people put up with the high rate at which Android Manufacturers cannibalize their devices.
Vibrant 4G may have good download speeds but who will want it if T-Mobile gets a Galaxy S II Variant - the same way some people are getting Nexus S due to the Vibrant's issues?
That's 4 new phones announced since the Vibrant was released... 6 months or so? And I'm ignoring it's sister phones on the ohter 3 major carriers and phones like the Continuum on Verizon...
It's hard for these non-Nexus devices to keep value when manufacturers are releasing new phones at such breakneck paces, and it makes it hard to commit to purchasing anything, since the chances of a better phone being released so soon is so high.
There's a reason why iPhones and even Windows phones are selling for more on eBay and CL than even high end Android phones...

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Wow have you guys seen this video? Seems very laggy - http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-official-tegra-2-4-3-inch-super-amoled-plu/
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Par for the course...
The fanbois are running out of excuses. I wonder if they'll claim Android isn't optimized for Tegra II this time, like they did with the Hummingbird.
The issue was always Samsung's RFS and crappy TouchWiz. Why buy something with TouchWiz on it, and I wouldn't rule out RFS, either...
Also, is it just me or does that phone have some odd choices of pre-loaded applications... Vlingo, for example...
Looks like an iPhone 4, though.

I really wish they would get rid of the chrome and round out the phone little
like the NS but still looks nice
N8ter said:
Par for the course...
The fanbois are running out of excuses. I wonder if they'll claim Android isn't optimized for Tegra II this time, like they did with the Hummingbird.
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Tegra 2 guess was a typo its supposed to come with Samsung Exynos
either way 2.3 isn't even optimized for dualcore 2.4 is suppose to be

Just how bad is Samsung with updates?

I've been disgusted by Samsung's lack of support of this phone or any phone they've released in the US. When the galaxy S line came out in the US, I encouraged everyone to buy them because they were such good phones. Well they were good on Eclair when they came out and didn't really fix all the problems in the extremely delayed Froyo release. I still laugh to my self when I remember asking the Sprint salesman when the Epic will get Froyo and he said "by the end of September" (I bought it September 9th). For anyone that uses the "best hardware" bs excuse I don't care. I want my phone to work not to have the "best hardware". The keyboard still doesn't work properly and that's the only reason I bought this stupid phone. Anyway, I was looking at this androidcentral article about fragmentation and I noticed something interesting; Samsung has only updated ONE phone to gingerbread in the US. Just one phone on one carrier, the Droid Charge. The other Samsung phones on gingerbread are the ones that launched with it. I would never in my life buy another Samsung phone but unfortunately the Nexus Prime is made by Samsung so they'll have to get my money again. I'm definitely buying the Prime next month and either smashing this epic piece of s**t to pieces with a hammer or donating it to a developer. Probably the latter since I've been dying to have a fully functional cm7 build for months.
Sources:
http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation

They are bad... The worst IMO. Its all because of the "UI's they put on. But if the prime comes to sprint i will be buying it. I assume the prime will NOT have touchwiz. But we will see, I at lease hope because it does not have a keyboard it should have CM7 soon.

Samsung is known for its prominent hardware manufacture ability.
If they had deep software capability, they would've not use android to sell their phones.
They're strategy is to own other handset manufacturers with superior hardware qualities like SAMOLED, curved screen, thinness, etc..
After they sell their product to customers, they just do enough support to prevent a riot.
So for the software updates, you can't expect from Samsung. It is waste of money for their view. Just make the next one with Gingerbread or ICS and sell 'em.
Want proof? Search for Omnia 2 that was sold as "iPhone killer" in Korea. It had Winmo 6.5 on it. People had to be stuck with it for two years, and by that time even Microsoft dropped Winmo and got Windows 7. If you search in youtube, you can see people video hitting the Omnia 2 with hammer.
Moral of the story? Don't expect awesome software supports from Samsung.
Get nexus.

They are definitely becoming better. The Omnia thing is a pretty bad example (Samsung didn't say the device was an iPhone killer, it had Windows Mobile on it (an OS by Microsoft which wasn't very elegant and Microsoft didn't bring updates very often, in fact 6.5 was the latest version and Microsoft killed it, what could Samsung have done about it? An update to the completely different WP7 years later was practically impossible and never promised by anyone). Plus, it is an old example, things can change totally in the smartphone world in some months. SGS1 users -especially in the US- had to wait extraordinarily long for Gingerbread but it feels like the whole thing has become better (rather subjective but also visible in terms of the SGS2).
In the end most over the average users didn't know that Gingerbread existed and didn't miss much, the Galaxy S1 was certainly no bad phone, hardware- and softwarewise. And all those Geeks who are longing for every little update and who read and post here in the forums are probably more happy if they just install another ROM.

First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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All excuses, if other manufacturers like HTC and Motorola can push gingerbread updates in a timely manner then Samsung should be able to as well. I'm not judging them on one product, I'm basing my argument on every phone they released in the US. I know Samsung makes the Nexus S and the Nexus Prime... I clearly stated that in the OP. Clearly you have trouble reading and/or comprehending written statements.
What makes it even more pathetic on their part is that they've had a phone with gingerbread on it with essentially the same hardware as the other galaxy S phones for almost 10 months and still nothing. Just ****ty leaks with tons of things not working. I know the international version has had it for a while and it's been working out well for them but why such a delay with the US market? It's a huge market when it comes to mobile and they've sold millions of handsets here. They clearly could care less about what happens in the US which is why I'm always perplexed when people drool over new Samsung phones. I can't help but laugh when I hear ZOMG EXYNOS DUAL CORE, IT CAN RUN THE INTERNET! Too bad all that processing power won't save you from ****ty programming and no updates.

Okay okay no need to take things personally.
We all are dissatisfied customers.
About Samsung's omnia 2 reference, I am pointing out that Samsung only focuses on delivering phones with high specs on paper. it is quite obvious that Winmo 6.x was crap and having it on the flagship phone at the time is like shooting yourself on the foot. Indeed nobody promised upgrade from winmo 6.x, however it's their arrogance/ignorance that gets me. They are like "we can make phone with better cpu+scree+build quality, so we are better". This approach worked for them 5~10 years ago, but not anymore. At this time of age, I want real quality product that can bring quality experience. That means hardware alone can't cut it.
It's a fact that Samsung does provide quality hardware. However, they certainly are poor at anything software. In fact they don't have any quality software to show because they don't. Touchwiz is not even a standalone OS, its just a skin/theme.
So how do Samsung try to compete with phones like iPhone? Take the idea, slap better cpu/gpu on it and stamping out phones like a crazy factory, with their massive hardware manufacturing capability. How many samsung phones we have now? And how many of them actually beat iPhones?
Galaxy S2 is very close but it is safe to say that none of them are as optimized as iPhone.
I just don't like their business style of just producing phones with highest and newest technology on it but don't care about fine tuning and optimizing the whole system.
Look at Epic 4G. It had so much capability with keyboard, good front facing camera, Wimax 4G, awesome 1ghz hummingbird cpu. But in fact they are all good on paper, but in real life experience, they fail to utilized completely.
What's good if I have the keyboard if it ignores key inputs. What's good to have ffc if like apps such as Skype don't support it (now it does, but man.. after like 10 months of ownership...?). What's good with all the cpu if the OS is not optimized and I have to install custom roms/patches to get the phone to be snappy.
The point is... Samsung can't deliver iphone killer alone.
Buy nexus, because it is combination of samsung's hardware capability with Google's software capability.

A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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In case you were unaware nexus phones software updates come from google not the manufacturer.. Be it htc or samsung... So yes if you are unhappy about sammy updating the software a nexus phone is a viable alternative... Do your homework before you insult...
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Thank you. Wish more people were polite and helpful here.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated.
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Umm, this is America. We're on American carrier(s). We spend American money on this crap. Most of us ARE in fact American (or at least legal residents I would hope). In fact, after a few more beers I may even argue that supporting a foreign company's actions in this case is treason and punishable by being hanged.
Based on the above paragraph, I think we're well within our rights to judge Samsung on their American product support - which is basically non existent. Of the 3 Samsung phones I've ever owned, the only one worth a **** is the Captivate and that's only because it has fully working CM7. I won't waste anyone's time going into detail on my Epic gripes, and we all know (and probably furiously hate) the Moment.
But to diversify (and/or digress) just for a moment. I've had 2 Samsung DVD players that were complete crap and were returned. They were replaced with LG's that I am pretty impressed with. Also, my Samsung fridge makes me want to bash puppies every time I use the water dispenser.

OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?

Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.

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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?

Sir Alphonse said:
Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Nexus Prime > all
And Nexus Legendary might be next Oo
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OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
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We'll never know what the hold up is... For all we know they killed Jobs too.
And no, I no longer support them. Going back to your earlier point, I try not to judge them based on one product. The DVD players were crap, so they were returned. The fridge worked great for the 1st year or so before I started having problems with it (and if you think their mobile devices tech support is bad, try large appliances!). On the phones, the Moment I thought was a fluke of a bad phone, but it turned into a support nightmare. At least Sprint credited me back on that one. I thought the Epic would be a big improvement. While there was significant improvement on their part, they still suck IMHO.
In the grand scheme of things I own a HUGE amount of high tech devices. The amount of "support" I've shown Samsung with the 6 products I have bought (and 3 I've actually kept) is roughly equal to a pint of piss in the ocean. I won't write off a company based on 1 bad experience - I believe in 3 strikes and you're out and the Epic was #3.
At the end of the day, the only Samsung product I've bought and actually like is the Captivate. Ironically it's the only Samsung device I bought second hand (and behind a liquor store in a shady part of town at that).
While I'm thinking about it. I had a Philips Plasma TV which is now in pieces in my basement. About 95% of it's internals are Samsung manufactured and that thing was a steaming pile of baby ****. I now have 2 Panasonic TV's that I absolutely love.
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kennyglass123 said:
OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Motorola for me. They may not have the fanciest screens but some close and quite technical friends of mine have the Droid 2, Droid X and their kids have Droid 3's. Yes, my SAMOLED's blow the Moto's screen away, but their phones have been quite reliable.
Also, I've been a fan of Motorola for a looooong time. My Nextel's took a brutal beating on a daily basis. I have no idea why my Razr's took all their abuse and survived. The radio's I installed in taxi cabs back in the early to mid 90's were not only rugged as all hell, but fairly high tech for their time in how they handled channel hopping and things. In my decade or so in cable we used TONS (literally tons) of their equipment and it always proved to be reliable. Not to mention the Motorola radio's that went to the battlefields and into space. That company knows how to build a damn fine RF device. I should have never strayed away from them.

Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Figures, the only movable part is not covered? Douchenozzles....
FWIW, I've always been happy with Plantronics devices. I have 2 of their BT earpieces for my mobile phones and use their CS50 series on my Avaya and Cisco endpoints.

kennyglass123 said:
OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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If the google merger goes through, I would go with Motorola.

The thing that pissed me off was it sounded like it happened all the time. Got a package of 3 ear hooks for $6 from ebay instead of giving it to them for 1. But yeah, heard Plantonics makes good bluetooths.
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