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hey flipz how about another benchmark

how bout another benchmark for all these latest and greatest roms that claim to be too fast for class. so we know the truth once again

I agree
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No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.

flipzmode said:
No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.
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haha, awesome...

flipzmode said:
No problem. I should have time to do it tomorrow.
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wow awesome quick response too... i knew i liked u for some reason

Won't hardware benchmarks always be the same between all ROMs?
Is there a way to objectively benchmark resource management? Speed of the interface, opening apps etc.

i didnt see the last one but id like to see benchmarks like on te gsm roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656818
Also the following for benchmarking:
For 3D Performance
* Qualcomm's "NeoCore" 1.9.18 - Measured in FPS
For 2D Performance
* Softweg's "Benchmark" 1.03 - Measured by an internal score
* "Lag test" - Originally to measure 2D performance for Motorola Droid users. Measured in FPS
For CPU Performance
* Linpack for Android - Measured in MFLOPS
All of the tests mean: The higher, the better.
The method of testing was the usual flashing, a couple of reboots to make sure every caching necessary was done and the average of 3 benchmark of each test.
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Make sure to test Pancake 0.1! Still the fastest rom out there .

bikcmp said:
Still the fastest rom out there .
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I really liked your rom, but seriously....
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TrevE said:
i didnt see the last one but id like to see benchmarks like on te gsm roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656818
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http://geekfor.me/news/benchmarking-sprint21/
I'll add linpack to the list too.
bikcmp said:
Make sure to test Pancake 0.1! Still the fastest rom out there .
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And it's also 1.5 which makes it irrelevant for these tests.

Someone should come out with a rom, with JIT enabled.
Then they can claim they have the fastest rom.
I had it running on dc 2.7.2 without any problems.. Just cant use anything HTC, like lockscreen or sense.
But nexus or helix launcher and beautiful widgets, everything is normal again.

JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
thanks flipz just looked it over like the benchmark setup

TrevE said:
JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
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Yea. We had some goodies starting to go in the .27 kernel but then the 2.1 stuff became the main focus so it never got finished. Ha.

TrevE said:
JIT is too buggy still, im looking foward to playing with compcache when someone gets 2.6.29 source working
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Compcache
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I agree its not perfect.. But i can use it on my daily rom and run every app I would on a normal day without an issue.
Before dc 2.06 came out, i ran it on dc 2.05 for 3 days straight.'
I dont use bluetooth or some other random things. So it would probably start 101 problems for some people.. Like theres not enough already.

Kernel scheduler improvement.

Hi there a good news for responsiveness.
A patch of 200 lines have been checked and approved by Linus, improving greatly responsiveness maybe it should be interesting to test it on our phones.
News and links available here.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
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Holy hell, thats a monumental difference!

Awesome, I HATE how laggy my Nexus One gets when I'm compiling the kernel with 64 threads.

Integrated it into my latest kernel build...hasn't tested it out yet though...

intersectRaven said:
Integrated it into my latest kernel build...hasn't tested it out yet though...
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Cool Can't wait to get my hands on this, (But have no time right now) .

Tested with new Rodriguez rom + intersectRaven kernel,
the new room is really nice to use, and the reactivity is awesome !
Really amazing, feel a huge difference in multitasking and fluidity.
Tried with the Miui browser included in the room, the web pages render time are really surprising really nice.

What is the name of the IR kernel you used?

fallingd0wn said:
What is the name of the IR kernel you used?
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http://www.mediafire.com/intersectRaven
2.6.35.8_AVS-CM-NOBOOST_CFS_20101116_2127.zip

so... does this take care of the "Cannot find CPU Subsystem.." (something like this) errors in the logcat when the CPU is pegged ?

buttery smooth!! thanks!!

holy ****. so smooth. got 22fps in nenamark

vivanshah said:
holy ****. so smooth. got 22fps in nenamark
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Doubt thats related as this particular fix is about scheduling.
I get 21.7 FPS @1113, old 2.6.35.7 CM kernel

I'm not seeing any improvement actually...
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What benchmarks would this show up in on the n1?

There's no benchmark about responsiveness or latency of the system at the moment.
But you really can feel it with multitasking.
I've nimbuzz, Skype, tweetdeck, Gmail, Ms email etc everything always ON.
I switch a lot between applications and so I really fell the difference not freeze while switching between browser and calandar music etc.
My nexus one is clearly under heavy usage with me all the time.
So since there's no benches I cannot tell exactly how good it is. But phoronix speak about
-10% lag
+60% responsiveness
Which is awesome! Even just half of that would be excellent!
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liam.lah said:
What benchmarks would this show up in on the n1?
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What is wrong with you people??? If you can only see it in a benchmark, who cares?

teh_lorax said:
What is wrong with you people??? If you can only see it in a benchmark, who cares?
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Nothing wrong with me, would just like to see some real stats, its way too easy to think things "feel faster" especially if you are expecting them to, just like some people feel certain UV kernels have longer life than others, unless you actually do the numbers(which was done), it is really just what people "feel", and that is extremely unreliable.

IntersectRaven - how did u integrate the patch, i am unable to integrate it cleanly

Great!
Applied to PureFroyo kernel. Let's test.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820172

got it to compile, now testing

Anyone else feel like overclocking is just a gimmick

Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 4G

Overclocking, for most part, is all about getting the most you can out of what you have. For some its a numbers game, for others it's just because you can. Personally, I like at least having the option open. However, my Epic doesn't like 1.2ghz.
Stock speeds are enough most of the time. I don't usually run the programs that use 100% of the cpu, so I really don't need to worry about it. Though, if I had the capability to OC.. I would.
As for setcpu, I've never experienced any overly excessive lag or anything brought about by its use. Though, by its nature it will be slightly slower to respond.

Coming from a hero, i can tell you overclocking is certainly not a gimmick! It may not be as necessary on these epic cause its crazy-awesome fast from the box, but it still helps. I keep mine at 1.6ghz on conservative, and performance when i play certain games. For me its about the multi-tasking improvment. Also i like to see my icons fade in smooth no matter what i have going on in the phone
But for me at least, its far more than just a benchmark score. However it is pretty sweet telling my iphone rocking coworkers to eat my ghz

jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 4G
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Well first it depends completely on your phone, all are different in terms of what they can handle, so each individual phone will respond differently to overclocking/undervolting. I can personally run 1.2, 1.3, and the 1.6 completely fine, while a lot of people can't run any of these. In terms of performance, it does make a difference with animation speeds, fps on games such as pocket legends or angry birds, and overall lagginess. But again, this is dependant on your phone.
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I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...

Eazail70x7 said:
I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...
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Are you running v1.2.0? If so, the fps cap is not fixed on this version because Devin removed the 1.6ghz step which allows the framerate to be raised. It works on some phones, but not all which is why he removed it.
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That explains it

The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.

AndrewZorn said:
The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.
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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.

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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.
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There is a notable difference with stock 1ghz and a 1.2ghz. 1.2 - 1.3 isn't worth it in real world that's bragging rights
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Hey guys, can you use z4 root on this phone? All i want is to remove is the bloat and undervolt it for my battery.. Any ideas of this works?

Why don't you ask in the z4 root thread
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Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.

Dj21o said:
Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.
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Yea and the search button helps to find it.
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Dude I know lol. I have a rooted hero, but im sick of all the custom bs. I want to underclock and thats it!

Best Way to Improve Performance

So I am wondering what others opinions are of the roms and kernels available for the SF. Doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Quadrant scores utilizing another rom or even stupidfast kernels.
Are we just kind of screwed a bit until 2.2? Is there a kernel that is overclocked?
TIA.

Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary. The phone performs well on 2.1 - keep reading the forum and you'll get there.

In my opinion the biggest performance increases ive seen werent in any benchmarks but in dj05. it runs amazing. If u havent tried it i dont know whether you should or not. With the impending froyo release no one knows if they are actually going to release DJ05 or not. I think they should release it and then put froyo on top of that foundation if at all possible
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What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath

jfigura said:
What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath
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I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.

Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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ksizzle9 said:
Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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Where did you get the dj05 update?
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Ive only tried voodoo/lagfix
It made a significant difference on my phone. I reverted and restored all the factory stuff in anticipation of JD05 because I want to get it OTA when it drops.
I tried to get the leaked one in IRC but people just kept calling me n00b so I gave up.
I am hopeful that it will solve all my woes and usher in a new era of speed only previously dreamt about

Powell730 said:
Where did you get the dj05 update?
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its been discussed dozens of times where and how to get dj05

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I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.
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Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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@Joe: same setup here (DJ05 deo, Stock Kernel and Rom, Frozen bloat in Titanium) without SetCPU. It's FAST. My GF and both my sons have EVOs running 2.2 and my Fascinate is just as fast (or faster)
@ksizzle: I agree, it's hard to quantify exactly what is so good about it. I think it's not what's there, but what's NOT there (lag) I think there are going to be plenty of happy n00bs when the OTA hits. This phone will be a screamer right out of the box!

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Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary.
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Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% -- that's not a typo -- faster, which directly impacts most apps.
And, 2.2's browser is also significantly faster than 2.1's -- and iOS4's, for that matter.
I like my Fascinate, and yes, I would consider it fast (especially running DJ05 with Geeknik's kernels) but like many others, I too see slowdowns sometimes that just shouldn't happen with the phone's hardware. Froyo isn't a magic pill, per se, but it should significantly reduce or eliminate those slowdowns (as it did on my old Droid 1, despite it's far-slower processor).
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/and...r-vs-android-15-cupcake-speed-taste-49305763/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-it-compared-to-2-1-oh-only-about-450-faster/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars

Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% in benchmarks -- that's not a typo -- faster, which do not directly impact most apps.
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Fixed that for ya. Don't let marketing hype get the best of ya.

Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

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Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
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This is because JIT was designed specifically around a Snapdragon processor.

[Q] Tips on getting a better speed on my Vibrant??

I have a Vibrant rooted running the Team Whiskey Bionix-v1.2.1 ROM. I have a few apps that I use daily, but the only one I know does any major damage to speed is beautiful widgets. I don't use any live backgrounds. I scored a 1536 on a benchmark test from Quadrant Standard.
Do you guys know of ways to better these scores?

Use AutoKiller Memory Optimizer

Unless your phone actually feels sluggish I wouldnt worry about quadrant scores. If it is sluggish try installing Voodoo or one of the Universal Lagfix in the developers section.

regP said:
Unless your phone actually feels sluggish I wouldnt worry about quadrant scores. If it is sluggish try installing Voodoo or one of the Universal Lagfix in the developers section.
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With a 1500+ quadrant he's already running Voodoo...
I do agree that unless the phone is feeling slow to not worry about it. Quadrant is pretty easy to fudge over 2k even though the phone isn't any faster.

Didn't wana assume lol..

Haha yes I have voodoo, bionix-v1.2.1 comes with it preset. Appreciate the help.
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actually, if you going for score some of the older J-rom series with over clock really scored high........ But with the current setup, you typically have 11-15 or so things that are open and TSR, if you remove alot of those to make it a vanilla barebones, then o.c it...... you can improve the score........ BUT speed scores are not worth much other than bragging rights.......... Like everyone else said if your phone is performing well then,..........who cares about the scores

Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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Andrew.Dodson07 said:
Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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What areas is the phone lacking performance for you?

Andrew.Dodson07 said:
Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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Go look up the Dragon 3.6 Kernel in the Dev section. You can overclock the phone a little or a lot depending how much it can handle. I'm running 1.2ghz at the moment.

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It really isn't particularly lacking in any way that I can tell. But i remember thinking that same thing back when i had AOL dial up haha. I'm impressed with the phones ability now, i just want to know if this is as good as it gets

Andrew.Dodson07 said:
It really isn't particularly lacking in any way that I can tell. But i remember thinking that same thing back when i had AOL dial up haha. I'm impressed with the phones ability now, i just want to know if this is as good as it gets
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Stock 2.2.1 is the fastest/smoothest ROM I've used on this phone ever and it hasn't even been optimized. I also downloaded the Dragon Kernel v3.6 and overclocked it to 1.28Ghz and its very stable. I always use my friends iPhone 4 to compare speeds and with the current setup I have now their isn't any difference in speed.