i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
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its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated
Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i
bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies
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i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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iead1 said:
Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...
@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.
i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.
I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.
Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.
moacyrfilho said:
The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.
All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!
well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.
product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
A.
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I swear this is a serious question... I have posted here and not the Captivate forum because I really want thoughtful responses and not smart-ass answers.
After over a year's wait, the X10 is finally coming to AT&T tomorrow. I've had only Ericssons and Sony Ericssons since 1998. I have always been a fan of SE designs and loved having a unique phone. Perhaps earlier this year I would have immediately jumped on the X10. However, the Samsung Captivate has generally received higher scores, and on multiple reviews, has also been named the best Android phone on AT&T.
I am trying really hard to like the X10 more than the Captivate, but can any X10 owners offer compelling reasons to go with the X10? Please assume the 2.1 update arrives as planned. I understand this is objective, but I really just want the "best" AT&T phone.
So far, my main reasons to go with the X10 are:
1) I love SE phones.
2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
3) The camera flash/bright LED light has saved me in more than one situation throughout the years.
4) Mediascape seems to be highly regarded in most of the reviews I have read, and I plan to upload music, pictures, and videos to this phone.
5) I personally like the X10 design more than the Captivate.
Also, a few questions before I play with both phones tomorrow:
1) Does the lack of multi-touch really make a difference?
2) Does the UXP act as clunky as reviews have said it does?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Christian
In my mind x10 is not the best smart phone out there.
It has a os version behind others and lack of mt
I not sure is 2.1 will improve the system as i never tried b4
but if u not a hardcore gamer den mt is not a problem for you.
Lack of mt mean can't play game like pspxdroid smootly
And Samsung Captivate is really a powerful mobile but the power usage is higher too.
X10 is the only phone i know that your phone can last u a day without much worry that your batt will run out till the end of the day if you control your batt usage well.
And i just love the design of the phone i think is the few design that score toe to toe with iphone 4g and that why i go for it. And the problem with all the older os compare to htc/samsumg cause x10 have a sony UI design where making it different. I love the background at the setting page compare to the normal black background (just make you think it not customize before)
But if you got the chances to hold both phone i believe x10 look really great especial the white phone=)
Note: Some other user said: Buying a smart phone is like getting a wife. =)
it never going to be prefect in any way. But if you love it? that good enough.
Hope you pick the right wife for you=)
You already put up 5 good reasons to get the X10 so it sounds to me like you already want it.
As to your questions:
1: Multi touch was impressive when I tried it other phones and was a big negative against me getting the X10, but now that I got the X10 anyway the controls work just fine for me.
2: I'm sure the user experience could be better, I don't like everything about this phone but it seems pretty good overall. I would say as just a phone, the X10 needs some improvement, but as a data device it does everything I need.
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hi im from australia,
we dont have the samsung captivate but we have the samsung galaxy s, and i curently own the SE X10 which i chose over the samsung galaxy s.
i work in a telco shop so i get to play with the galaxy all the time and ive compared it to my x10, and i chose the x10.
this is what ive notices about the 2 handsets.
X10:
the battery life in the start was really bad, but as about 2 weeks passed, the battery actually started lasting longer, must be just because it was new and just needed a few proper charges.
the original software that came on it was a bit laggy an had a few problems with it but im now on the (26) software and its working great
i personally dont care for multi touch and not so much about games either (i have ipod touch and i play all my games on that.
although i have quiet a lot of games on my x10 and they all play great,
i use vignette as my main camera app and the photos i get with it are spectacular you may check them here http://img375.imageshack.us/g/20100710160347439.jpg/
i prefer the screen of the x10, yes i know that the galaxy has a supper amoled, ive had the omnia II i8000 which had an amoled screen and really dont care for it.
with the update the phone will be even better and faster. at the same time as much as i hope we get 2.1 soon and 2.2 following i really dont think that numbers matter too much, i got the phone because it did what i wanted for me.
now on to the GALAXY S:
great supper amoled screen,
16gig internal memory
multi touch
2.1 and soon getting 2.2 which will make it as insane phone especially for games (if thats what you want)
but one thing ive noticed is that when ever i use our store demo which has the latest software and all the same apps as my x10 (i set it up in the same way)
the galaxy s seems to lag a fair bit over time and requires a reboot to fix that.
the only thing that the galaxy has that i really wanted was SWYPE KEYBOARD and i actually got it on my x10 and its working great.
at the same time i see a lot of people buying both these phones, and no one as of yet has come back with problems with them,
i dont know if ive helped much in your decision but i just say pick one that has what you want
To answer some of your questions:
UXP is quite good. That being said, Mediascape should make you change your mind. It's definitely good, but not good enough to die for. You will find better picture viewers (JustPictures) and media players (Rock Player) in the Android market for free.
Captivate has multi-touch, SAMOLED and newer Android. However, it's build quality is weaker.
Multitouch doesnt matter in most apps. Pinch and zoom isn't really a big deal. However, some of the games require multi-touch. Once again, it isn't a deal breaker, but it is important enough to be considered.
Btw, Amazon will be offering X10 with contract for 50 bucks. What is the best deal you can get on the Captivate?
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2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
Christian
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Some of the images captured from stock camera, you will see lot of variance in quality due, reason being user.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724314
There's one reason I would not recommend buying a SE phone, cruddy customer support and a desire to have people update to latest phone rather then keep developing older models. They try to make the customers pay over and over for the same stuff, look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Upshot, we will get 2.1 very late, we might get 2.2 when everyone is getting 3.0. I'll eat my hat if X10 will get 3.0, by then SE will see it as cannibalizing sales of their newest phone.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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consolation said:
... look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
I'd say go with what you really like in your hand and to your eyes. Both are great phones and you will get over many of the cons with either phones with help on several forums.
I owned several phones in the last 3 years and started to like to SE designs more ever since I owned W910. Recently, I owned Nexus One and iPhone 4 but settled with X10 mainly for how it feels in my hands and for the looks.
It has quite a few annoying functionality issues but I got around them after a week or two. I have the white X10a which makes it even more special.
99% of the time I use my phone to make calls, text, googleTalk, Maps, and Browsing. So, MT doesn't even come to my thoughts and 1.6 feels fine.
Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
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1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes
i think that you will have to choose between a good build quality and lack of software upgrades (SE) and moderate build quality but better software support (samsung). I would go with the first choice but there is little chance that the bootloader will be cracked so no custom ROM to compensate SE laziness.
consolation said:
1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Here's the 1.6 vs 2.1 difference:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html
Although, I agree with you that SE have made 1.6 a LOT better than the stock version.
And I think we'll get 2.2 at least because of this:
http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/15260820648
But, when we'll get it, is the problem.
@CinCa0989
I would choose the Samsung Captivate if you want to play 3D games on your phone, due to its better gpu and multitouch capability.
I would also choose it if you want the latest software, whatever it is.
If you don't care about 3d games, multitouch or updates, get the X10.
Also, choose the X10, if you like taking pictures, and want better-looking videos. It will have 720p recording soon (by Q3 end), and an LED is better than no LED.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Don't apologise for SE, you sound like someone in an abusive relations who takes any scraps thrown at you as evidence of "love." He hits me 'cause he loves me... SE took people who paid for a premium phone for a ride, no excuses, premium products should come with premium support. I don't hate SE, they are big corp acting like big corps do, but I don't have to like getting shafted.
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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Hey guys no need to be rude. The OP asked for personal opinion and not smart-ass answers .As far as "what a piece of crap" goes did you mean the camera is crap or the phone? In my opinion X10 has one of the best camera if not the best available in Android phones.
Yes the camera is as good as they get. My only issue is lack of mic levels so it's hard to record gigs without clipping.
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I'll keep it short. I apologize for my previous post, not knowing another fellas background story. I'm just really tired of all the whining on pree release knowledge. I'm happy with my phone, prolly spent 15-20h gathering knowledge before purchase. Peace ppl, and i hope the OP will be happy with whatever choice he makes!
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes
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How did I forget Handcent? Maybe I use it so much that I feel it's the default Messaging app. Need to check out how the default one is .
I'm a big SE fan, but this somehow makes me smile....
www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-0...e-world-s-largest-android-phone-supplier.html
Haha Darn! you beat me by a minute!
It'll be the Japanese market.. the X10 is more popular than air over there..!!!!
More like Android 1.6's largest handset maker
yeah and i want to become worlds greatest dictator
I wouldn't dismiss the idea that quickly. Here in Sweden SE is a very popular brand and by the looks of it they're popular in Japan as well. If they decide to go with Android on all their future phones and start marketing them more aggressively in the US they have a chance. They have the production capacity for it, they're well known and even if all models aren't fantastic there's no denying the build quality of their devices. Even though I've passed up SE phones because of their crappy software I've always been impressed by how well built and solid their phones feel.
With good marketing and if they get better at working on Android their chances are pretty good. They have the infrastructure to reach that goal, that goes a long way.
Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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dude its not about flaws in their software ... its about how they handle it ...
the incall volume is so ****ed up for a lot of people - when you talk to the customer support they tell you something like this "for me its okay - if you dont like it you can send your phone in" their official support form is full with topics about it ... same goes for the standby time ... it says 17 days on their homepage ... i asked customer support about it and he told me my phone must be damaged - i can send it in ... (he also said he gets 3 days of standy - i am pretty sure it doesnt even last 17 days when you turn it completely off^^)
i knew the support would suck ... but the hardware is quite good (besides from the lack of multitouch) - i just bought it coz i have faith in the community that they ll release custom roms soon
SE has released only one(3 version of same) android phone in the market in past 2 years when HTC has released atleast 4 or 5 and plus they are upto 2.2 on most of their phones. I don't think SE can catch to them any time soon just based ads showing Timescape
SE ship twie the number of phones as compared to HTC having come down from a stage where they shipped 6x more phones. So they are pretty capable as we all know. Now with Sony into the mix, SE phones would have PS3 compatibility, remote play, access to Sonys own online store, access to more Sony brands like VAIO, BRAVIA, etc. Well..
Sony has been associated with Ericsson for ages (from an IT time perspective) so one would think they'd at least be nipping at Nokia's heels by now. But who knows? Maybe Android will be the push they need to pump some much needed energy in to the brand? Time will tell, as long as they don't ditch Android I'll stay satisfied.
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Yeah that'll only happen if the secret owner of Sony Ericsson is Chuck Norris... cause only Chuck Norris can make that happen..! lol
They sure have the hardware capacity to get it done, but they are just so stupid and arrogant that I do not think it'll ever happen.
If they're serious, I'd swap in the current software department for some new blood.
It's really crazy how companies nowadays can't even get simple things done right.
As the old saying goes... "too many chiefs and not enough indians".
Until SE gets their act together and stops all the internal bickering and movement within the ranks, this will never be a realistic goal for them to achieve.
I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with your statement. We don't really know the reason. I read it in some post somewhere else that it's ready, but they want to test it thoroughly before releasing to the general public...
Whoever is responsible for being so slow to update, I somehow doubt that it's their developers. They are just doing what they are told by management. If Sonys developers are anything like other software devs I know they are not too happy with releasing their product with 1.6 instead of 2.1 or 2.2...
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Impossimpable! (Hope someone gets it - HIMYM).
jk btw don't take badly
PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED BECAUSE I SINCERLY LIKE SE AND NOT FOR BASHING SE. IF YOU WANT TO TROLL OR BASH SE CREATE A NEW THREAD
Dear Sony,
I am one of your avid Fan. Right from the beginning I was using SE phones only. To Mention a few I have used F500i, J230, K750, W810i, K810i, W980, W705 and now X10. So as you can see I was using SE right from 2004. I can say “If you have Once used Sony Erricson, you will always use SonyEricsson”.
Let me be very clear. I love you so much. I have defended SE in many forums from many trolls and iSheep bashers for many years. I did this because I love SE and I believe you will always gives me what is best out there.
But off late you are not living up to your fans belief. What the is wrong with you?
The last master piece from you was W810i. After that all your products disappoint me. K810i, W910i and W980i all of them were total disappointment for me. Off late all your products follow a certain approach, you will announce a very good product and then there will tremendous delays in bringing it to the market, after that i will have many software bugs and hardware failures. So before the product becomes complete it will become outdated..
If you refuse to believe I will give you proof.
Do you know W810i was announced in Feb ’06 and availability was Mar ’06.
K810i was announced in Feb’07 and availability was Apr 07.
W980 was announced in Feb’ 08 and availability was Aug 08.
W705 was announced in Oct’ 08 and availability was May 09.
Satio was announced in Feb’09 and availability was Nov ’09.
And Xperia X1, X2 and X10 every kid knows its delays and bugs.
What happened to you SE? There were long delays. Even after delays none of these phones lived up to its hype ( W980,W705, Satio and X10). You were the first to announce many technologies (8MP, 12MP camera, snapdragon with android phone, even 4" screen) but you were the last to bring it to the market with sky high prices. Where is my Old SE? where I can get all latest tech in a budget phone? Where are you SE?
And Like a Crown for all your failure, the X10 2.1 update. When other are pushing to bring 2.2 for their flag ship device, you cant even bring 2.1 to your Flag ship phone. Instead of bringing 2.2, you are back porting live wallpaper and 5 home screens to 1.6.
WHY THE HELL YOU ARE RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL?
Stop wasting your precious resources in back porting things. Move more resource to bring 2.2 to X10. If you cant alteast please open the bootloader.
X10 had everything to make you success but you missed it.. Good Design, Good Hardware (at Nov '09 nobody had this hardware) and Good Name (You have loyal fan base) and Perfect time (Think if it had been released during Christmas time).
X10 could have been your own iPhone or Droid. It could have been your golden egg but you missed it. What going on in your mind SE? If I can think all these, cant the armani wearing million dollar salaried EO's think? Have you lost it?
We have defended you so long SE but you are now disappointing us more. You even embarrass us by saying you turned down google (X10 as Nexus one would have been epic). Please don’t cheat us more SE. We love you but there is a limit for our patience. If you keep cheating us then Even God (I believe he is there) cant save you.
All I can say is please bring out Froyo update for X10 soon and with no bugs (We dont want 1000 new features we just want Bug less phone). After all you are a more talented company and you certainly deserve a second chance like Moto.
Please SE don’t disappoint us again and save yourself from bankruptcy. Please Make us Believe
---- A sincere, beaten, disappointed and embarrassed Sony Ericsson Fan .
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language. - Removed
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class. -- Removed
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2 - What I ment was they are back porting 2.1 features to 1.6 - Ambient time app
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets. But Total cost of ownership for a not so high end is high compared to other high end phones. This will be the thought of a average guy
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market. I agree. If they could had made things perfect like releasing with 2.1 and in december, they could have sold Millions in other countries too
Good day sir!
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Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
IF some one could send this to SE CEO, I would be glad. Or If you can pm me his mail-id, I will send it myself.
Thanks
No offense but what do you think you reach by sending this kind of letter to a CEO? No matter which company he is leading, this really is a "straight in the dustbin" letter for those managers...
Again no offense, you wrote down what you think, but I want to bet he don't read till the half of it, to try that out, you might put in the last sentence something about him having an affair with a dead horse, if you dont get anything back, I proved my point....
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Gotta agree with PollPixx.
imo they don't go past the subject of e-mails... snail mail is a thing of past.
moreover they don't go over this stuff personally but their PA's etc do... separate the junk out and send in the "really important" stuff... but only god knows what that is (apart from them )
Looking away from the language, it is a fine letter to SE.
I have also only had SE phones private, starting with the old
Ericsson 318, Erisson t68
t280, t610, k530, k750, k810, k850
c905
w595, w715, w760
x10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro
My 3 kids have all had SE W595 and now they all have X10 mini.
Also i have only used SE for work in many years, currently i have a x10 mini pro...
At work it have been me that have decided what phones we have bought and used for the last 3-4 years, so i have been the main reason that we have only bought SE phones...
- that is over 250 SE phones all together, at work...
(I know that it is NOTHING in the big picture looking from SE headquarters, still it must count for something)
In this answer i just want to ad my own dissapointment thoug...
The main problems is that the big X10 is missing the FM-radio, missing the better headset connection and missing the one finger zoom, while the two cheap small X10 mini models have those things.
What is that about SE ?
Why have you decided to make 3 different X10 series phones, and then at the same time make the TOP model, the one with the weakest features ?
I am really dissapointed with you SE, the lack of updates, the missing features in the X10 top model.
From (i think it was) the old T610, or was it K750, and all the way up to now, my SE phones have allways had FM radio build in, and that was for me a loved feature, then you decide to release the X10 without FM Radio, and after that you again decide to put in FM radio in the mini´s ??
I know i didn´t read close enough in the specs when i bought my X10, but i really was expecting that there would be FM radio in an SE phone, and offcource there would be in the top model, no question about that. What a dissapointment !
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
I find it strange that good working features that SE implement in your phones, is removed again from newer phones.
Features that actually IS the SE brand, features that we learn to love and use every day, you decide to remove.
Why ?
I don´t get the point in making that huge effort to make a few nice new features like timescape and mediascape, and becource of those features you have been left behind, and are currently stock on Android 1,6, and right now we all are waiting for S/E-Android 2.1,, ONLY Android 2,1 when other companies like HTC are moving away from Android 2.1 and on to Android 2.2...
S/E why not release Android 2.2 fast and be the leader in the marked.
Then let people decide for them self IF they want the S/E signature-features like TimeScape and MediaScape when you have those ready later.
Just make new features avalible from your fine PlayNOW system just like you did with CreaTouch.
Why have you at the same time decided to lock down the bootloader of the X10 when Android is a brand new OS you are just learning ??
- release the bootloader now, and look what happen, learn from it and then when you are actually doing a better job coding the OS than other DEV´s on the www, you can decide if you again will lock down bootloaders in your future android phones.
At the moment it make no sense at all, not to let your dev-team learn all they can about what can be done with the hardware you have made.
The hardware is actually really great, and solid build, it is "only" the software that is the problem...
Now i move on to the strange thing about wide range of current phone models you have on the marked.
Why that many, is that really nessesserry at all, really ??
Why not make an effort to be the absolutly best there is on a mutch smaller range of phones, only focus on a few models, perhaps only android phones, as you have said that you want to be world leaders in Android powered phones in a few years anyway.
As i see it you only need one X10 model more to have a complete set of phones, so there will be at least one that souit everyone.
Add one more X10 mini and make it with an old style slide out t9 keyboard.
At last.
I have also been thinking about jumping over to an other brand, and perhaps also look for other phones next time we need some at work, as i am that dissapointed with SE...
But private i find my self thinking that i perhaps just should wait and get the X12 when that is released...
Can i really be that stupid, REALLY ???
- dispite my dissapointment with SE, really ???
SE you are SO lucky that you have a big and loving fan base...
At work i KNOW that SE have the best hardware and the lack of features i mentioned here is no problem in work use...
Again SE you are REALLY lucky that you have a big loving fan base...
Just DON`T dissapoint us anymore !
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
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He? Why would a god need to have a specific gender? They would have no use for it.
Anyway i dont think religious dribble should be in an email like that to a company. Makes you look like a bit of a fruit cake.
pshdo said:
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
At least they all look familiar and have similar sounding names - X5, X8, X10, X10 mini, X10 mini pro. SE are trying to satisfy each segment of the market, just like their competitors HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Nokia do.
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
Please dont embarass yourself. Your grammar is atrocious.
How about buying an AD on newspaper, and then I'm sure the SE CEO will see this.
sony in general is a big comany, my family has been buying sony things for at least 20 years (got an old and really old stereo which still works o.0)
they always had the best things in the marker, we even say if it's a sony is good
in the past I never used SE, just used nokia or motorola but when i saw the x1 i just felt in love, but when I knew that no wm 6.5 would arrive to it i was so pissed we paid a lot for it to get nothing more, same applies for the x10
i know companies want to get more profits but where's the customer's satisfaction? they use to think that is better to have loyal customers for a long term instead of just having a lot for few months (kinda the thing is going on today)
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@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
alankstiyo said:
does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
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I wish! I'd be making more money than I do now!
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
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Yes, but those on marked is far from working as good as the one in eg. w715...
- and if you was actually using it, you would know that ;-)
Anything ?
- then throw me a link to an fm radio application for the x10, or to one finger zoom perhaps, or to any of the other things that the x10 don't have, that the mini's and all the old SE phones have... *LOL*
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#
I think that the live wall paper and home screens reference has to do with the SE Japan release of Ambientime which has 5 home screens, pseudocode live wallpapers and a new lock/unlock swipe which is more animated.
That app looks like work that was done as an assessment of the phone's potential to do live wallpapers. It's sort of interesting even if it makes the phone laggy and lockup.
iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
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don't know if it'll install but here you go
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17649/android_upgrades
I can't give you a better argument not to go for SE.
Thank you for the info, on the other hand i can probably find such a site for every car brand and i am still driving :lol
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I think this phone will be quickly replaced by SE with a better higher quality device look at how many PSP models there are. They will probably hold back on updates for a newer model.
It might last a year at most before a "PSP slim" phone, Or dare I say a white model (lol)
P.S I may of had bad experience with the x!0 series owning 3 different models so my post may be a bit biased.
I had a SE Satio, which was a complete failure. Support for les then 6 months, 2 minor bug fixes within those 6 months.
The support of the X1 and the X10 and family dropped fairly quick as well. And also consider that the X10 started with outdated software already.
Why would SE change this policy?
In my opinion they stripped the company so harsch (2009/2010) of all unnescacarry business departments and personnel that they can't support the phones for to long. They just need to sell phones in masses to make profit. They can't give the support the customers asks, or demands. And customers benchmark companies and expect SE to have the same update ratio as other companies like HTC, or Samsung.
They won't give the same update ratio as other companies because they don't have the funds. Everything is focussed on sales, not the aftersales...
SonyEricsson: We won't keep doing what we are doing now! Promise!
Thanks for posting this, Bestevaer.
If, as they have promised, SonyEricsson (SE) really has turned the corner on keeping current on android versions, then the best way for them to demonstrate this newfound commitment would be to begin updating the X10 series.
Why would anyone take the gamble on SE keeping the Xperia arc updated?
If enough consumers are well informed, then SE is going to miss a whole cycle on this series of hardware upgrades. Keeping current customers satisfied should be seen as an investment on getting and keeping future customers.
I know I'll never buy another SE device if they don't keep my X10 reasonably current for the life of my two-year contract -- and I advise my "laggard" friends looking for android devices of such.
When HTC is doing such a good job keeping their devices current, why would anyone go SE?
Because most people don't know any better and only looking for a good looking device. I really know people who are now extremely happy because I showed them there is a market, you won't believe it, but I swear it's true! Those people have no idea if they are on 2.1 or 1.6 or 2.3.. And they really don't care.
We are with far too few to get through to SE's executives... They really don't care if 1% of their users are complaining all the time, they only want to sell big numbers and to do so they make stunning looking devices.
It's all about money and reaching targets, to get there you have to make some thing for the mass public, the top managers only get their asses fired when they don't reach their targets...
For me, once again, I will get one as I already preordered one, just to see by myself what they learned in the last period...
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Because most people don't know any better and only looking for a good looking device. I really know people who are now extremely happy because I showed them there is a market, you won't believe it, but I swear it's true! Those people have no idea if they are on 2.1 or 1.6 or 2.3.. And they really don't care.
We are with far too few to get through to SE's executives... They really don't care if 1% of their users are complaining all the time, they only want to sell big numbers and to do so they make stunning looking devices.
It's all about money and reaching targets, to get there you have to make some thing for the mass public, the top managers only get their asses fired when they don't reach their targets...
For me, once again, I will get one as I already preordered one, just to see by myself what they learned in the last period...
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You are right about SE that they make beautifull phones. You are also right that there are allot of people who go to a store and buy a nice looking new phone when there 2, or 1 year subscription has expired (maybe a new SE).
But you forget that it's very costly for a company to lose loyal customers. Not only in money but also in feedback. And feedback is a free advise for a company. But mine and many others experiences with SE is that they don't care about feedback, so they will not improve as a company. And if you don't improve as a company you will lose marketshare, your position comparing to the competition will weaken. See what is happening atm with SE if you compare them to HTC, Samsung or Apple if you like. They lose market share and loyal customers.
In 2010 they shipped less handsets comparing to previous years and they lost a considerable market share while the smartphone market was growing rapidly. (Side note: yes they made profit in 2010, but every company can fire people and cut company business and make profit. There is nothing fancy about it).
Good point there, but so far they never listened to any feedback as far as I can tell. I stopped sending them mails a long time ago as they never replied, and when they did, they completely missed my point of criticism by sending a preset marketing message
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Bestevaer said:
You are right about SE that they make beautifull phones. You are also right that there are allot of people who go to a store and buy a nice looking new phone when there 2, or 1 year subscription has expired (maybe a new SE).
But you forget that it's very costly for a company to lose loyal customers. Not only in money but also in feedback. And feedback is a free advise for a company. But mine and many others experiences with SE is that they don't care about feedback, so they will not improve as a company. And if you don't improve as a company you will lose marketshare, your position comparing to the competition will weaken. See what is happening atm with SE if you compare them to HTC, Samsung or Apple if you like. They lose market share and loyal customers.
In 2010 they shipped less handsets comparing to previous years and they lost a considerable market share while the smartphone market was growing rapidly. (Side note: yes they made profit in 2010, but every company can fire people and cut company business and make profit. There is nothing fancy about it).
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You leave me no choice but to argue. Yes, losing loyal customers is important, I agree, but that they are not listening to feedback is no where near what you said. If you do now know how internal works, please refrain from saying anything of this sort. It's much better if you would just say they work inefficiently, and they already admit it. They can't take in all the voice of ALL consumers. I know that they're at least trying from the scope of the updates they send out internally. They kept adding features and changing support. This is to get the maximum output for the time frame.
Shipped less handsets? Well have you looked at the number of handsets they announced? The price range also increased. They're aiming for premium markets, which means they're not mass producing their units. Whatever number is produced, it will only be sold that amount only. They made more profit selling smaller volumes, but higher price range, so it's not rocket science to have profit even if they ship less. You think kicking out employees make them yield profit? Please study on what the reconstruction cost includes and how ridiculous it costs. Thank you.
http://gizmodo.com/5733556/the-complete-state-of-android-froyo-upgrades
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You leave me no choice but to argue. Yes, losing loyal customers is important, I agree, but that they are not listening to feedback is no where near what you said. If you do now know how internal works, please refrain from saying anything of this sort. It's much better if you would just say they work inefficiently, and they already admit it. They can't take in all the voice of ALL consumers. I know that they're at least trying from the scope of the updates they send out internally. They kept adding features and changing support. This is to get the maximum output for the time frame.
Shipped less handsets? Well have you looked at the number of handsets they announced? The price range also increased. They're aiming for premium markets, which means they're not mass producing their units. Whatever number is produced, it will only be sold that amount only. They made more profit selling smaller volumes, but higher price range, so it's not rocket science to have profit even if they ship less. You think kicking out employees make them yield profit? Please study on what the reconstruction cost includes and how ridiculous it costs. Thank you.
http://gizmodo.com/5733556/the-complete-state-of-android-froyo-upgrades
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I don't know about there internal structure but I do know how bunisess engineering works. And what I experience and see there business engineering isn't working out for a bunch of there customers.
It is understandable that they can't listen to all there customers wisches, but what boggles me is that there hasn't made an improvement after thet Satio and the Vivaz (my scope). Those phones got terrible support, and customers received terrible feedback. Since then no improvements have been made, and I honestly don't think they will make improvements according to all the new phones they introduce. All these phones need support as well...
They shipped less handset, but as you mentioned the average prices went up several 10th's of dollars. But compared to the smartphone market they lost market share and other phone manufacturers shipped more phones instead of less. Check out there Q3 report of 2010.
http://www.ericsson.com/res/investors/docs/q-reports/2010/9month10-en.pdf
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I don't know about there internal structure but I do know how bunisess engineering works. And what I experience and see there business engineering isn't working out for a bunch of there customers.
It is understandable that they can't listen to all there customers wisches, but what boggles me is that there hasn't made an improvement after thet Satio and the Vivaz (my scope). Those phones got terrible support, and customers received terrible feedback. Since then no improvements have been made, and I honestly don't think they will make improvements according to all the new phones they introduce. All these phones need support as well...
They shipped less handset, but as you mentioned the average prices went up several 10th's of dollars. But compared to the smartphone market they lost market share and other phone manufacturers shipped more phones instead of less. Check out there Q3 report of 2010.
http://www.ericsson.com/res/investors/docs/q-reports/2010/9month10-en.pdf
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So...looking at your document doesn't prove anything you said. They're holding on through each quarter while having increased income per quarter...what's your point? Their market share dropped a merely 1% since 2009 from the latest document I received
All brands has dropped their support for Symbian. It's just the reality that this is not the platform for the future. I'm not going to mention any brand, but you can find that out yourself which brand also dropped their support the same time SE did. They did released 2 MR updates as for their policy. It's not as if they dropped the support midway. They fulfilled its 1 year support. What else is needed when the market doesn't even support the platform anymore? Also, wasn't your post initially for Android? What's the point in dragging in Symbian?
SE's standing in terms of updating their devices is no brainer. This phone however will sell for cosmetic reasons. Despite the massive outrage all over the internet, SE will still retain its market share mainly because they are still comming up with good designs.
However the news that SE devices will now get faster updates should be taken with a pinch of salt. Things don't change over night.
It all comes down to personal preference really. If you want a slick looking device; SE is the way to go. If updates matter go for HTC or Nexus.
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So...looking at your document doesn't prove anything you said. They're holding on through each quarter while having increased income per quarter...what's your point? Their market share dropped a merely 1% since 2009 from the latest document I received
All brands has dropped their support for Symbian. It's just the reality that this is not the platform for the future. I'm not going to mention any brand, but you can find that out yourself which brand also dropped their support the same time SE did. They did released 2 MR updates as for their policy. It's not as if they dropped the support midway. They fulfilled its 1 year support. What else is needed when the market doesn't even support the platform anymore? Also, wasn't your post initially for Android? What's the point in dragging in Symbian?
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You should see the 1% drop in marketshare in perspective. In 2009 the smartphone market grew rapidly, but SE didn't took a part of the pie. And you should (as a critical customer) think why they didn't grew as other companies.
My point is that you should not take the gamble. Buy a SE and there could be a possibility that you (again) end up with poor support, since they never ever improved there support. But you do end up with a beautifulll looking phone.....
The example of the Satio and Vivaz where just to make my point clear about the lack of support and feedback from SE. And that there policy hasn't changed thus far with the introduction of Android.
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As far as I am concerned, SE are dead. I had the X1, SE are worst for software updates. I remember getting froyo on my HTC desire a good 2-3 months before the X10 got 2.1 eclair.
SE have stated that its a fresh start, lets see if they can hold up to that promise, but after the X10, I can't trust SE anymore, i'd much rather go for HTC, Moto or even samsung...
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Shipped less handsets? Well have you looked at the number of handsets they announced? The price range also increased. They're aiming for premium markets, which means they're not mass producing their units. Whatever number is produced, it will only be sold that amount only. They made more profit selling smaller volumes, but higher price range, so it's not rocket science to have profit even if they ship less. You think kicking out employees make them yield profit? Please study on what the reconstruction cost includes and how ridiculous it costs. Thank you.
http://gizmodo.com/5733556/the-complete-state-of-android-froyo-upgrades
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Let me comment, please.
I have 30 years of IT experience, and 15 of that in application development in FT100 companies.
SE was unable to take part in the astounding demand for new cell phones this year for a number reasons and they don't yet understand the Android philosophy:
1. They were unable to bring X10 family the USA market early.
2. The hardware was excellent when it was announced over two years ago, but they did not make any changes to that hardware to keep that edge. There was no slip-streaming of a better CPU/GPU or "N" wifi etc. SE took advantage of the reduced costs 'by the time' they went to actually manufacture the phones and made design decisions that compromised the performance of the phone, it's upgradeability and saved them money in the parts list.
3. SE continues to not be able to engage serious interest by T-Mobile in SE phones while not one of the two top carriers, is one that they could certainly make a phone for. Equinox is the only phone they are currently selling and only the TM506 prior to that.
4. SE's move to ATL (according to some posts on XDA by former SE Raleigh staff) and the general reduction in programming staff lost those programmers most familiar with the AT&T firmware testing. Historically in the AT&T relationship, AT&T NEVER RELEASED a second firmware for any SE phone even though SE traditionally has released several versions for every phone they have ever made. AT&T has never felt that updates were important for any phone they sold, to them, it is just a pain in the ass. MS forced them to do updates for Windows phones and the contract with Apple didn't give them a choice.
5. Android is supposed to compete with iPhones IOS. One of the ways that makes the iPhone so desirable is that even the old hardware runs the new version of the OS. This means that people who want to stay in grandfathered contracts have a way to resell their old phone to people who don't want to upgrade to a subsidized phone and don't care about the latest and greatest hardware version. Prior model iPhones were selling for $100-$199 just as the last version came out. (Many were shipped to markets not covered by Apple.) This funds the purchase of new models either subsidized or not. Android OS updates make the phones resalable. A Android phone that is out of phase with the latest OS is worthless for resale. SE and other OEMs don't seem to be taking this into account as a part of Apple's strategy to make the iphone have increased value and are not applying it to their own strategy.
6. SE's heads have decided to "not compete on hardware." Well, this is a problem since the people who are looking for Android phones specifically are generally technical and would certainly look at hardware. The X10 was targeted at women as if it was a traditional SE fashion phone with enhanced social networking, all those early ads were showing women using the phone. The Captivate and the X10 arrived within 'days' of each other. The Captivate certainly has the hardware spec advantage over the X10a. Even small things like the internal storage was huge by comparison, as well as the full 512mb ram. Even though the Captivate phone is seriously flawed and fairly ugly, the 'hardware' outsold the X10 by 30x (at AT&T alone). AT&T has not found it necessary to 2-4-1 it or even reduce the pricing significantly, and it was MORE expensive than the X10a through the entire cycle. SE's proud it made 29-30% in the first 3 qtrs 2010 on the phones, but the last quarter I think we will see that number reduced due to the heavy discounting they did to dump the X10's in stock.
SE's so proud of the 30% markup? Apple makes 100%. Samsung was using parts they actually manufactured in other divisions such as the screens, memory and other components, it would not surprise me if they made 50 or 60%.
7. SE didn't listen customers or even to their own employees. SE gave X10's to every SonyStyle store employee to drum up support for sales. Guess what, every SonyStyle employee that I've spoken to, and I have spoken with more than a dozen, either sold the phone right away or gave it away to a family member. I could not find a single employee that actually used it. As a result they didn't really know how to use or demo it in the stores and since many have iPhones or other Android devices didn't even know it didn't have MT (witnessed by them trying to pinch zoom). The actual sale of a phone ( I bought two of these at SonyStyle stores in two different states), was a 'rare' event that the manager used for training other employees. SonyStyle was giving these phones away for Xmas sales with a two year contract, again to dump inventory. Employees when they realized that I was not just some old guy but a technical person were questioning why I would even WANT a X10. (It wasn't so much for the phone as for SE support which I have always liked and the better than run-of-the-mill PC software to link the phone which they butchered with the X10.)
8. Yes, SE never promised 2.2 or MT. (And some of the other companies have reneged or delayed a 2.2/2.3 update for many phones.) As for the global 1year policy, this is terrible, as the phone will only have been in the US for 8 months. However, with the admitted failure to deliver good customer service this year after the reorganization, Android 2.2 or 2.3 would certainly be a good will gesture to the millions of X10 owners and would make the phone worth a few dollars in resale. Only a buy back program for upgrading would be better, though the ARC with less than 300mb internal storage and 512mb ram, an already 6 month old CPU/GPU combo (which is now very cheap) isn't 'cutting edge' by a long shot.
Stan.S, brilliant informative post!
I agree with all the points you raise but I think I will still actually buy the ARC if it comes to market without delay especially after seeing the latest blog video demonstrating what I think is the best camera capability of any phone (besides the nokia n8).
I currently own a HTC Legend and while it has had updates (maintenance and OS) it was annoying that the 2.2 update came after Vodafone began rolling out a version for their phones, pretty irritating especially as I had bought the phone with no contract..So it seems no one is free of bad practices..
Regarding the lack of cutting edge hardware I was slightly put off that there was no mention of dual-core, but then I remember I work as an animator for a games studio that works on well known games and its amazing what we can squeeze out of a DS.
But frankly Im after a super fast camera with excellent video capabilities and I haven't really seen that from any other brands as an animator its annoying carrying a camera and a phone for those odd moments I need to grab/video I always forget to charge my camera or its too cumbersome for that 1 moment... but my phone I have it with me always..
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But frankly Im after a super fast camera with excellent video capabilities and I haven't really seen that from any other brands as an animator its annoying carrying a camera and a phone for those odd moments I need to grab/video I always forget to charge my camera or its too cumbersome for that 1 moment... but my phone I have it with me always..
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Thanks.
Well, the sensor they put in is certainly a level up from most on the market, however, it is again the cheaper of the two possible sensors available. I also understand that the larger (12mpix) sensor would require the phone to be thicker and have a better lens as well as a higher cost.
If SE was really into the PREMIUM market as they claim, they know that the Cybershot variations of their phones have always been beloved by consumers. X10's and the Arc certainly show that the people from the camera section have had input into the design.
This is supposed to be a flagship phone, and there is not a single component that is Outstanding, it's more like the best of the middle ground.
It's always possible that Arc will have brothers and sisters announced at MWC and a bit more differentiation will show up beyond a keyboard or size, but the constant choice of cheaper components (and the reduced internal storage) will certainly cause all the reviewers to comment on the 'below expectations of hardware available at this time' of the devices.
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Let me comment, please.
I have 30 years of IT experience, and 15 of that in application development in FT100 companies.
SE was unable to take part in the astounding demand for new cell phones this year for a number reasons and they don't yet understand the Android philosophy:
1. They were unable to bring X10 family the USA market early.
2. The hardware was excellent when it was announced over two years ago, but they did not make any changes to that hardware to keep that edge. There was no slip-streaming of a better CPU/GPU or "N" wifi etc. SE took advantage of the reduced costs 'by the time' they went to actually manufacture the phones and made design decisions that compromised the performance of the phone, it's upgradeability and saved them money in the parts list.
3. SE continues to not be able to engage serious interest by T-Mobile in SE phones while not one of the two top carriers, is one that they could certainly make a phone for. Equinox is the only phone they are currently selling and only the TM506 prior to that.
4. SE's move to ATL (according to some posts on XDA by former SE Raleigh staff) and the general reduction in programming staff lost those programmers most familiar with the AT&T firmware testing. Historically in the AT&T relationship, AT&T NEVER RELEASED a second firmware for any SE phone even though SE traditionally has released several versions for every phone they have ever made. AT&T has never felt that updates were important for any phone they sold, to them, it is just a pain in the ass. MS forced them to do updates for Windows phones and the contract with Apple didn't give them a choice.
5. Android is supposed to compete with iPhones IOS. One of the ways that makes the iPhone so desirable is that even the old hardware runs the new version of the OS. This means that people who want to stay in grandfathered contracts have a way to resell their old phone to people who don't want to upgrade to a subsidized phone and don't care about the latest and greatest hardware version. Prior model iPhones were selling for $100-$199 just as the last version came out. (Many were shipped to markets not covered by Apple.) This funds the purchase of new models either subsidized or not. Android OS updates make the phones resalable. A Android phone that is out of phase with the latest OS is worthless for resale. SE and other OEMs don't seem to be taking this into account as a part of Apple's strategy to make the iphone have increased value and are not applying it to their own strategy.
6. SE's heads have decided to "not compete on hardware." Well, this is a problem since the people who are looking for Android phones specifically are generally technical and would certainly look at hardware. The X10 was targeted at women as if it was a traditional SE fashion phone with enhanced social networking, all those early ads were showing women using the phone. The Captivate and the X10 arrived within 'days' of each other. The Captivate certainly has the hardware spec advantage over the X10a. Even small things like the internal storage was huge by comparison, as well as the full 512mb ram. Even though the Captivate phone is seriously flawed and fairly ugly, the 'hardware' outsold the X10 by 30x (at AT&T alone). AT&T has not found it necessary to 2-4-1 it or even reduce the pricing significantly, and it was MORE expensive than the X10a through the entire cycle. SE's proud it made 29-30% in the first 3 qtrs 2010 on the phones, but the last quarter I think we will see that number reduced due to the heavy discounting they did to dump the X10's in stock.
SE's so proud of the 30% markup? Apple makes 100%. Samsung was using parts they actually manufactured in other divisions such as the screens, memory and other components, it would not surprise me if they made 50 or 60%.
7. SE didn't listen customers or even to their own employees. SE gave X10's to every SonyStyle store employee to drum up support for sales. Guess what, every SonyStyle employee that I've spoken to, and I have spoken with more than a dozen, either sold the phone right away or gave it away to a family member. I could not find a single employee that actually used it. As a result they didn't really know how to use or demo it in the stores and since many have iPhones or other Android devices didn't even know it didn't have MT (witnessed by them trying to pinch zoom). The actual sale of a phone ( I bought two of these at SonyStyle stores in two different states), was a 'rare' event that the manager used for training other employees. SonyStyle was giving these phones away for Xmas sales with a two year contract, again to dump inventory. Employees when they realized that I was not just some old guy but a technical person were questioning why I would even WANT a X10. (It wasn't so much for the phone as for SE support which I have always liked and the better than run-of-the-mill PC software to link the phone which they butchered with the X10.)
8. Yes, SE never promised 2.2 or MT. (And some of the other companies have reneged or delayed a 2.2/2.3 update for many phones.) As for the global 1year policy, this is terrible, as the phone will only have been in the US for 8 months. However, with the admitted failure to deliver good customer service this year after the reorganization, Android 2.2 or 2.3 would certainly be a good will gesture to the millions of X10 owners and would make the phone worth a few dollars in resale. Only a buy back program for upgrading would be better, though the ARC with less than 300mb internal storage and 512mb ram, an already 6 month old CPU/GPU combo (which is now very cheap) isn't 'cutting edge' by a long shot.
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Very good post Stan.S!
If I may comment your points a little.
1. Hopefully this will change with arc. Seems like they have a deal with At&t.
2. Dont think hardware could have been so much better. They are using qualcomm hardware and their better processors are not done yet. Internal ROM could have been better though. More than 512 RAM is not necessary in my opinion.
3. From what you say about At&t, t-mobile seems a lot better
4. Same as above, Im not American so I wouldn't know
5. Again I think this will be better with arc. From what Ive seen here in Sweden, SE representatives seems to be really committed to upgrade their phones. They know they ****ed up.
6. Actually the head of the "heads" (Bert Nordberg) have said in a interview in the biggest economic newspaper here in Sweden that hardware is important and that they intend to win that race also. He said something like "its all about clock speed these days and we intend to take the lead". Its my understanding that Arc is not the über device of this year. It takes a while to plan these things and Bert probably influenced a later device. Also arc seems to be more about the looks and screen than the hardware. Its not a super highend device
7. That sucks. Probably the same everywhere. Hopefully arc will attract some more goodwill than the x10. Problem these days is that everyone has an iphone and wont leave that ecosystem.
8. An "insider" on a Swedish forum gave an explanation to why the x10 wont get 2.2. Apparently the boot loader is totally locked down. Even for SE people. X10 was never going to get 2.2 or even 2.1 for that matter. They cant change the kernel even if they want to. 2.1 was easy because it was the same kernel. SE ****ed up big on that one. Arcs boot loader is not locked down which will make upgrades easier, and a lot easier for xda to crack also
Edit. Link to interview with Bert Nordberg (in Swedish) http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/15/217454/Bert-Nordberg-gar-for-tillvaxt/
I like SE cause I tend to care more about hardware then software. When it comes to software I'm not looking for SE I'm looking at the great XDA developers community which is always upgrading every phone way before the manufacture does anyway.
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7. That sucks. Probably the same everywhere. Hopefully arc will attract some more goodwill than the x10. Problem these days is that everyone has an iphone and wont leave that ecosystem.
8. An "insider" on a Swedish forum gave an explanation to why the x10 wont get 2.2. Apparently the boot loader is totally locked down. Even for SE people. X10 was never going to get 2.2 or even 2.1 for that matter. They cant change the kernel even if they want to. 2.1 was easy because it was the same kernel. SE ****ed up big on that one. Arcs boot loader is not locked down which will make upgrades easier, and a lot easier for xda to crack also
Edit. Link to interview with Bert Nordberg (in Swedish) http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/15/217454/Bert-Nordberg-gar-for-tillvaxt/
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7. You say that leaving iPhone is not possible, but it's not true, there are people who wish to no longer be sheep and not straight jacketed. I talked to a couple of people just today who got HTC's when they decided to sell iphones.
8. Wait, they can't put another kernel on due to the bootloader? are you implying that the bootloader runs some sort of a checksum on the kernel or checks a specific offset address for something? There's only a limited number of things that would lock it to a specific kernel.....
I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
With contracts being typically 2 years, SonyEricsson's decision to abandon updates to the Xperia X10 series in less than one year is disgraceful, especially with the benefits of 2.2 (adobe flash, install to SD, processor optimizations, etc.).
And with SonyEricsson demonstrating this attitude with the existing, high-performance Xperia X10 series (which is more than capable of running 2.2, 2.3, and later), why would anyone trust them to do any different on the new Xperia arc?
The meaning of SonyEricsson's choices now are obvious to informed consumers: if you want to get the improvements to your phone that come from new versions of android, avoid SonyEricsson. HTC and others have a *much better* track record for providing updates to their customers.
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omg, people are tired of this ****.
/Close thread please.
Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
If we just sit here and take it, then SE will be content to dish it out. If, otoh, we even appear to be able to dissuade new customers from going with SE, then they will support us because it is in SE's interest.
That. is. simple.
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Pretty much this. I'm all for complaining, but if you want up-to-date software, you have two choices: iphone or nexus.
I don't think that it's wasted effort to complain. How else would companies know how to service their customers better? Personally, I've given up on pretty much every manufacturer. As much as I hate apple, I'm pretty tempted to get an iphone if they were compatible with T-mobile's 3g just for the continued support because I'm not super happy with the design of the nexus line.
i try to do this in many facebook post under SE`s pages.
it better than nothing
Great another idiotic thread.
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Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
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Old phone?
It was launched in March 2010.
the funniest thing about these threads are the people that go on to say... "Great another idiotic thread"
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"Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions? They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that."
If you really think these things are that stupid, why do you even bother clicking on them when it clearly states what the thread is about... in this case anyway. Are you guys really that big of losers in life that you can't go by on the internet without clicking every single thread or do you just have that much time on your hands?
Either way i am sure some of us have come to a conclusion as to who the actual "idiot" or "braindead" is.
Oh and may i suggest some charity work if you have too much time on your hands?
Not a bad intention, but all these efforts are useless to "fight" against this. SE won't do things in the way people want. None of the other companies either will.
So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again, and you'll be happy too 'cause you'll be in the top of the trend and with a phone with Gingerbread, the newest Android version. END.
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Seriously, this has been discussed enough already.
I agree the entitlement generation needs to stop crying. However, threads like this one offer a solution to the problem, which I would support. Freedom of speech has been effective in creating change all over the world and throughout history. You cant change anything if you don't try. Those of you who post to close this thread are doing the same thing, just counterproductive.
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just why bother? if they did (for whatever reason) decide to release a SE 2.2 or above, it would be so full of bloatware that any benefit would be gone anyway. ive been running zdzihu's 2.2 froyo ROM for ages on mine, and there is a 2.3 gingerbread ROM that Jerpelea has made out even. Yes they are beta, or even alpha, but even if SE said yep we are doing it, they would take another 6 months to get it out - dont you think the custom 2.2, 2.3 would be just about perfect by then?
support the DEVS, not the global companies
stuff SE - i hate there roms anyway!
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Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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This device is good. It's freakin sexy. It's capable of running Froyo and Gingerbread. Until the new SE devices come out, this is their flagship phone.
I repeat, this phone is sexy, even next to the Arc, it still looks sexy and relevant. The innards are still relevant.
I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
We're in the driver's seat. Why not grab the wheel?
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I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
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Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
this is a young phone (less than a year old) with old software (more than a year old OS)
I agree with the Update, some products are still on support after several years on the market, the idea of support is to patch the vulnerabilities and improve the overall performance. If SE can do it with available Android OS why not?
shonangreg said:
Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
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How do you expect anyone to believe or support someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
There will be NO mediascape in ARC
SINGLE-CORE is available in GOOGLE's FLAGSHIP, so any dual-core is just to attract people who are easy to attract with the ( 4G-dualcore ) stuff
Have you actually seen the changes made in the ARC?
2.2 is a waste of time
shonangreg said:
I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
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How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
HYPER-X10 said:
How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
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The OP is offering a constructive alternative to the whining going on at xda. Here we are whining amongst ourselves. Whiners whining about the whiners. This offers an outlet for the frustrations of those let down by SE, that would reduce the whining on xda, and potentially effect SE in some way.
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