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One of the main reasons a friend of mine & I puchased the HTC PPC6800 from Alltel was that we intended on loading up Roms & Emulators from the original NES. However, while you can put an emulator onto the phone & run it, the QWERTY keyboard only allows you to push one keystroke at a time!! Anyone familiar with gaming, reguardless of the platform, can understand just how unplayable almost every game is without the ability to run & jump! You can run.. You can jump. You just can't do both simultaniously.
If there are any known fixes for this, please help.. I'm desperate. I'm guessing it's a software issue as there are already keys on the keyboard that support multi-button pushing such as the shift and function keys. I imagine there must be a work-around of some kind out there. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for reading!
Turn the 6800 on it's side(closed) like a psp and use the d-pad for direction and the e-mail and internet buttons for A and B. From what I understand those buttons don't suffer from the one keystroke limitation.
The only issue with that is the emulator, and subsequently every emulator I've tried after for NES doesn't support the sideways resolution for whatever reason. The loading screen for booting a rom with turn just like any other window would but the second the actual game loads it flips back up vertical. SNES emulators seem to handle the horizontal resolution just fine but the controller on the SNES had 6 buttons so mapping just 2 really doesn't cut it.
I currently try to play on the tiny little controls at the bottom and none of them seem to be effected by the two buttons at a time issue but the Ok button can't be mapped so playing around it is unbearable to the point of just not wanting to play. Not to mention it kills the WOW factor of showing someone when you have to play the game with a controller that's the size of a quarter.
Good call. I forgot to mention the landscape resolution thing. I ran into this thread shortly after reading yours. If you haven't seen it check this one out. I believe one or more of those emulators address the landscape abilities (MorphGear and SmartGear). Hope that helps.
The program is really slick for emulation, I'll give you that. lol. It's pay for use so I'm just messing with it in the 5 min demo mode but so far it looks like it'd definitely be worth buying.. I'm still however running into the multi-key issue on the QWERTY. NES is fine without using the QWERTY as it only requires an A & B button but the SNES had 6 buttons that need to be mapped and getting them all in an accessable spot on the face of the unit just isn't happening.
Has anyone heard anything about a possible fix for this?
I tried PocketCultMAME and MAMECE3
I can't seem to get the audio working properly for the Advantage (T-Mobile Ameo). It slows the games down up to a point where it becomes unusable. Without sound it's not as much fun though.
Also the keys on the screen part don't seem to work. Only the Vueflow key works. I cannot move the characters along with the joystick. It has to be with the keyboard. Which is awkward since the game is displayed vertically.
Anyone got this (or another MAME type emulator) running properly on his Advantage?
Ok the touch pro has been revealed on the htc website now so who is thinking of trading there touch dual for it
It has everything that touch dual has + wifi and gps
It has a full slide out keyboard.
It looks very much like the diamond
I vote no again, even with more improvements over the Diamond
I have had keyboards that slide to the side. I prefer to type one handed easily while driving. Plus the screen orientation is not smooth in Windows Mobile with the device lagg when switching modes. How can you beat a physical 10 key layout for dailing 800 numbers with an auto directory <- even with the 20 Key Niki its a breeze.
Wifi I have had before and it the least used feature and only used when I first got the device. It is much easier to use the data connection and not drain the battery as much.
I already have a better GPS, and it works as a bluetooth headset with phone book retrieval.
i would but only over the diamond, as the pro has an SD slot, else i'd go for diamond :/
I've got a Touch Cruise, so my device is similar to the Dual in some respects. I wouldn't switch. WM7 is the only thing I could switch devices for. Fancy Touch Flo improvements aren't enough esp when WM6.1 is still under the hood.
way too expensive and not worth it atm
right now........I HATE this phone
the screen is so sensitive it's ruining it for me
even a bit of dust makes it impossible to type a text message. there must be a way to decrease screen sensitivity or it's going back. I'm so pissed off with it right now
Sorry. Think it quite funny.
People have been complaining how insensitive the resistive screen. Now there is a capacitive screen its the opposite.
I hope I don't eat my words in a few days when I get mine.
Quite a few people are complaining about the over sensitive screen then changing there minds after a few days.
How is the dust making it hard?
I love the screen, and tipping is super fast for me.
Best phone I ever have.
The screen is amazing.
Much easier to type than on resesitive screen. you just need to get used to it.
have you guys (found) any videos of typing on the hd2? Wonder what it looks like and if you can become as fluent as with a hw-keyboard?
I have same problem here. I was using Touch HD before and now I can't type anything without making mistakes. T9 helps out but when it comes to password it's getting painfull. When I'm pressing letter on on-screen keyboard I quite often press other keys around. I guess it will take quite some time to get used to it, I don't think sensitivity can be changed.
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Guys from pocketnow claims that HD2 has about the same sensitivity as Pro2 and definitely less then iPhone. If it so I can't imagine how people are able to use iPhone
we have all been used to resistive till now. you'll adapt dont worry, its a change that we all now have to go through.
i have the ipod touch so i dont think it will be troublesome for me to addapt to the new screen.
after a week with this phone, i love that screen... it is very hard to adapt first few days, but than, everything is so great... it is much better like resistive screen... typing is super fast, sliding is easy...
yes i am also having problems with the high sensitivity, but i'm coming from solid keys so no real surprises! starting to get used to it now. I reckon OP you'll get used to it to. Give it a week or so!
You'll get used to it and never look back, I have an i8910 at the moment (HD2 arriving in a couple of days), which is also capacitive and it just takes a little while to adjust.
Fine here too, although the Opera "flick scroll" is too sensitive in a way - it always seems to scroll too far for me, at least a whole screen, so not as useful as the iPhone equivalent.
Anybody know if that is tweakable somehow?
There are a few practical steps I have found that have minimised the problem (for me) while we restive users come to terms with the capacitive screens we have yearned for:
Don't press too hard - it's easily done in frustration but it actually makes things worse
Align the screen - I don't think the factory calibration is too clever (this made a big difference for me)
Switch to a different keyboard. After labouring with the default keyboard and finding myself in a similar place to the OP, I reinstalled my trusty TouchPal and all is well again
Thse worked for me - hope they are of use to others
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Guys from pocketnow claims that HD2 has about the same sensitivity as Pro2 and definitely less then iPhone. If it so I can't imagine how people are able to use iPhone
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Same sensitivity as Pro2 ?, lol. They probably got a broken sample.
On the Pro2 I was easily able to put my finger on the screen without a click being registered. With the HD2 we got confirmations this is impossible, as soon as your skin touches the device, no matter how lightly you brought your finger to the screen, a click will be registered.
I used to have a Touch HD beforehand, and after getting the HD2 I noticed I would make a large amount of mistakes, and that typing was extremely hard (especially on the go).
But like others have said, give it a couple of days and you will start to get used to it. I'm definately getting the hang of it. But I would strongly recommend you enable T9. Getting the hang of typing on a capacitive screen comes naturally.
And try out the horizontal keyboard; turn the HD2 sideways and the horizontal keybord will be shown to you. You may find it a bit easier to type on that instead.
This is the best screen i have in any windows mobile, the reason i had an iphone was the capasitive screen it has but now because of this screen i switched to the HD2 and i am more than happy and i don't understand why people complain about this screen its simply FANTASTIC.
I think I can uderstand them, it is beacuse we are used to looking exactly where we are going to click, now, with the capacitive screen, we have to use our finger to do it (wich obviously wont let us see waht we are clicking on). I was a little bit stressed yesterday that I received the phone, but right now I am getting used to it. I am doing now a slide soft motion with the screen, and not the old press hard movement I used to with my HD.
I think it is great, let give it at least a few days so we can get confortable with it.
I have been trying to find a Leo to test the touch sensitivity. I currently own the touch HD (for a year now), and although I love it, I must say that the iphone is clearly a lot more responsive to the touch than my hd.
The iphone responds right away to the slightest touch and the movement is so fluid.
How fluid is - for example - cover flow flicking through albums in the Leo landscape player?
If we say the iphone touch-response is a 10 on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate the Leo just in that respect?
OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.
Way to bias the question from the start, enforcing top possible marks for the iPhone.
Also, try reading the forum. Do you really think that this hasn't already been discussed? Multiple times?
The touch response is amazing. End of.
Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.
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Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.
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What phone did you use previously?
as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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This.
Capacitive was always going to be weird to get used to for people who had never used an iPhone. Imagine how iPhone users felt the first time they used their phones.
Now you never hear people complaining that it is too sensitive. It will take some getting to, but damn, it's worth it!
Capacitive vs resistive
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as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.
Xaddict said:
You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.
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I couldn't agree more. Now I'm used to my HD2, I can quite literally type as fast as I do on a real keyboard......it's awesome. I went back to my omnia for a couple of mins for comparison....and oh my oh my, woefully inadequate.
Viva la winmo capacitive screen
i have owned both and the HD2 is more sensitive. Maybe even too sensitive
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What phone did you use previously?
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I owned the SEX1, but there's no way i'm going back.
HD2 is as sensitive as the 3GS. Though I am more accurate on the 3GS than I am on the HD2 (better key placement, size of device and proportionately wider keys helps on this one).
I think once we get used to the screen it will all calm down. Most of us are just used to resistive screens.
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OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.
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WOW - thank you for the detailed info. Yes, I understood everything you wrote.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to answering my question. Like I said, I have not been able to get my hands on the Leo here in Germany, so until now, I have only been able to compare the HD with the iPhone and, well the difference is obvious (and to be expected). I have been considering selling my HD and getting the HD2. And if its capacitive screen shows no difference to that of the iPhone, then I know I'll love it.
I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot
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I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot
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Great to hear the HD2 is a 12 (if the iphone is a 10). I would prefer "too sensitive" over "not sensitive enough". I'm seriously considering getting rid of my HD and getting a Leo. I'm just checking on prices and maybe I'll wait a bit for the price to drop (maybe after the holidays).
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!
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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
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Bingo. The OS does not support more than one cursor position, so the only way HTC can shoehorn such things into the device is with driver trickery sending zoom commands to supplied apps that support it, and however they've done the virtual screen "digital zoom" in other apps. Until WM7 this is as good as it gets.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!
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Exactly the same here! And my god isn't that screen small!
Touch sensitiivity on the HD2 is fine.