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[Q] Flash player 10.1 on Toshiba Folio 100

Hello,
I just received my Toshiba folio 100 with android 2.2. I'm trying to install 10.1 version of adobe flash since 2 hours but without success.
Has anyone already done it?
There's no Android Market on this device. I've downloaded the 10.1.95.2 apk file and installed it, but it froze my browser.
Any help would be welcomed.
Thanks,
Pedro

Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.

It has Opera Mobile 10 doesn't it? would that version work for other phones as well?

cmit37 said:
Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.
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Not that great, and not coming to the US either.
Toshiba Folio 100 preview
By Paul Miller posted Sep 2nd 2010 12:21PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/toshiba-folio-100-preview/
We just got to handle the Folio 100, after witnessing it bolted to a wall earlier, and we have to admit that it's lighter and thinner than it looks at first glance. Unfortunately, it still feels pretty cheap, and we're not sure how much we trust ourselves one-handing something this large and fragile seeming. Our brief glimpse of Toshiba's custom skin on here was most depressing -- it's not final, but we're not sure why Toshiba is even bothering showing anything in this abysmal state. The bits we've seen of Toshiba's market (for music, apps, e-books and so forth) look a bit better, but as far as we know there's no official Android Market on this thing -- a kiss of death for almost any Android device. Toshiba's biggest failure here, however, is probably the LCD it sourced for this tablet -- the screen looks as cheap and low res as could be, and while a €399 list price is decent for a tablet this size, it hardly seems a good excuse to stoop to KIRF-level components. Hit up the gallery for all the angles, along with some comparison shots with the mind share monopolizing iPad.
Update: We just heard from Toshiba's US team and there are apparently no plans to bring the Folio 100 stateside. Given our lackluster first impressions, we can't say we're all that upset by that...
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I can't seem to find anywhere this Toshiba Folio can be purchased yet, it's apparently supposed to be released October 2010 for £329.
A dump of that Opera Mobile should be interesting as it's not going to be out yet for Android publicly probably for a little bit longer. It's been shown off since February and here's a video on the Galaxy S. It's the same guy in both videos but his hair seems to have green since February in the latest one.
Are there any other reports of Opera Mobile being preloaded on any other device?
About the Adobe Flash though, the press release here [PDF] advertises it's Adobe Flash 10.1 trueness so I would assume it's pre-installed like on the Froyo Galaxy S update (albeit not the latest version, it's always updating being Flash and all).
If you're trying to install it from a provided APK and it's crashing maybe it's because the NVIDIA Tegra2 the tablet's supposed to have is a dual core chip and Adobe needs to provide a special version for it (don't trust me on this).

Currys in Croydon has one on display. I had a play with it and haven't been very impressed.
Good:
- Android 2.2
- We plugged in a USB keyboard and it worked instantly and the sales advisor said that a USB mouse worked just as well.
- The Toshiba file browser makes it easy to access the USB port and the SD card (Full sized SD slot I think)
- Has four buttons on the side but I like the fact that you have to press them deliberately to activate them rather than just accidentally brushing over them and closing your app like with my Galaxy S.
- Tegra 2
Bad:
- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
If the Vega turns out to be a better quality product I will probably get it.

cmit37 said:
The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?

I got my Folio 100 today, and im looking forward to do some real nice modding here, and first get Market app working, as done on Eken M001, so that experience can easily help us here..
I know from my motorola and htc, that the flash player 10.1 you can download, does a model check, and is , as far as i know, only working on N1,desire,droid,milestone phones, maybe that check is no longer present..

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- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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pricetag on it, is also for us in Denmark like 50% percent off almost.. so comparing to another galaxy pad or little cheaper ipad, im not sure you can expect LG lcd inside such a model, but ill see if the quality is acceptable.
most of them can be calibrated anyways, so if its a color issue, it can be fixed.
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- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
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All this is without modding, lets just get the modding started, and ill think less of what Toshiba accomplished and look at others when their packs are in place.
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- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
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? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?

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Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?
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I live in UK

Dexter_nlb said:
? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?
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I don't know - I just expected the Tegra 2 Dual Core to just obliterate the single core CPU in the Galaxy S. I have no doubt that the Folio is a great platform to loads apps on I just expected a lot more of it considering it costs £130 more than the Advent Vega in the UK.
That said if someone gave me one I would sing it's praises
Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
On a side not I upgraded my Galaxy S to Froyo today and it is so cool playing all flash content, chrome2phone etc

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Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
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not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
cmit37 said:
I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
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and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.

Dexter_nlb said:
not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.
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Toshiba is expecting to release flash for the FOLIO during next week (expected 10th). This should be available through Toshiba Market.
/Kevin (DK)

Out of all the Android tablets the only 2 that shine is the Toshiba Folio 100 and the Advent Vega.
Why?
Well firstly they're both >8.8" so you get a generous dose of screen-estate and the form factor is still nimble/small. These could substitute for netbooks but 7" tablets cannot imho.
Secondly they're generous in they're offerings (BT, Wifi, HDMI, USB host, SD slot) and high-performance.
I live in Australia so we always get devices a little later than US/UK. So for me the availability does not matter as the transaction would occur through the internet.
I may be importing an Advent Vega or a Toshiba Folio 100 ... so I am eagerly waiting for reviews (none available yet, just Google'd).
What will be the general deciding factor would be:
1) Display.
We know that Froyo supports only upto 600p. We know both devices have 10.1" TFT screens, so I hope they've kept the gloss to a minimum.
We know Toshiba Folio 100 has a 600p display and the Advent Vega was leaked to have a 600p resolution. However, in a recent video (@3:20) the PR says videos play above 720p but below 1080p on the Vega. This implies 1366x768 resolution which would mean (once Gingerbread is ported) sharp graphics, no need to convert videos, possible to watch digital TV.
These are huge advantages over the Folio 100, but it could've been said accidentally and he may have meant to say "the device can playback more than 720p but less than 1080p content via videoOUT but not on the device screen". If this is the case its upsetting because Tegra2 is supposed to be able to smoothly playback 1080p video ... so this implies a performance bottleneck (most likely by a smaller 512Mb RAM, if not then a lack of drivers).
2) Performance.
I've already gotten into the subject; which one has more RAM? Both have the same Tegra2 SoC which is supposed to be blazing fast, but if it only had 512Mb RAM it would only be as fast as the current-highend (Galaxy S, Desire Z, Droid2). And would mean it might jitter at the performance-intensive applications we currently have, and one's we will have in the future.
3) Battery life.
We don't know the REAL battery life on either device, must wait for reviews.
4) General build/features.
They're pretty even as far as "hands-on" describes but the Toshiba is slightly ahead because it has an SD slot (cheaper cards) than Vega's microSD. Also the Toshiba has a removable battery which the Vega may not have (unknown at the moment). The Toshiba has 3G connectivity, which the Vega lacks but may get in 2011Q1.
5) Price.
Wait and see.
Currently I'm hooked on the Advent Vega (name reminds me of Vegeta) and the prospect of a 720p tablet. I don't care much for the price, if the Advent Vegeta really gets a 720p screen and 1GB RAM I would easily overlook its shortcomings (No Market, No 3G, microSD, nonremovable-battery, plastic build) I would be happy to pay in the iPad range
.... I will get Market hacked, MIUI loaded, tether (I've already got 2GB/month on my GalaxyS) hehehe

I got mine yesterday. I think they are a little on the crazy side releaseing this table so early as people will give it negative feedback based on their expereince. This device is not ready for the general public. If your technical you can work you way around it, but you need to be at developer level to get this performing to its bes. Im going to hang on to mine for a while, although no flash player or sound when im playing video files and a slightly dodgy HDMI port are worrying me.
be nice if we could get a folio device section on here....

second that with the need for a Folio section
Has anyone had any problems with the DNLA or UPnP? I cant get mine working when all the other devices like xbox, archos and pcs all find the UPnp server

I had the Folio 100 for a while but returned it, I started a thread on Modaco with all my info.
Short version:
Current flash APK crashes _hard_ it will not work without an update from Adobe or Tosh (or the OEM that really made it)
All the games I tried wouldn't run at all. Either they were trying to rely on /mnt/sdcard (which doesn't exist due to the way they mount the internal memory), the opengles lib segfaulted (Look like the drivers are alpha quality) or they used the Android market call-home anti-piracy check, which fails due to not having the market.
Also the deep power-save it goes into could get stuck (and would always kill adb when the screen went off)
The OS is signed with the SDK _test keys_ (talk about amateur mistake)
IMHO, combined with the _terrible_ screen I'd steer clear until the software is updated at the least.

I think that we need a Folio section too.

A Test2 build seems to be out ...
Working for live stream of the F1 practice.
Still beta as it managed to reboot the Folio just now

CHECK YOUR TOSHIBA SERVICE STATION PEOPLE FLASH PLUGIN BETA AVAILABLE!!!!!!!
Working well on BBC Iplayer!

[Q] Do you still recommend the Galaxy Tab purchase?

I need a Honeycomb tab and I thought this Samsung was the best, but I've read a lot of complaints about it.
Now, after all these issues, should I go on with the purchase or do you think it's better to wait for something else? Thanks a lot
Frankie

that would depend on what you need. if you're looking for a multimedia device that plays just about everything out there, the archos 101 is better - but it has a crappy screen and locks up if you do more than one thing at a time.
if you need a netbook replacement, the transformer is the way to go. just be wary about the dock. it drains about 3-7% when docked,not in use and not charging. some reports says that if you let the dock drain it will not charge up again.
the galaxy tab 10.1 is a good general use tablet. where i find that it shines is reading comic books. the over saturated screen makes the colors really pop. plus being so thin, it feels like you're holding a comic. it also has the best screen of all the hc tablets currently. down sides are browser bookmarks that randomly change (not present in other tablets) and possible dust in your screen.
the two hc tablets have the same downsides of all hc/tegra2 tablets. poor selection in media playback, some bugginess with apps not working or crashing, browser gets bogged down with javascript heavy sites...
in my opinion, the gt10.1, or any hc tablet is just a good plaything for now (i'm not saying you can't be productive with it). hopefully by the end of the year a more complete product, software and hardware-wise, will be available.

I voted NO ...
If you know me from this board, I was trying and trying to get one imported from US (I live in Europe), but I got string of issues for that. Well, that's not the reason that I do not recommend this device, not at all. However, I took that as blessing in disguise
You know, I have no problem at all with the hardware. I don't mind Tegra 2 and I even prefer Tegra 2 compare to Exynos (mainly because I want THD gaming more compare to watching video). Also, I don't mind for not having SD card. And I really love the form factor, slim, thin, slick!
Now, why I don't recommend this tab?
Well, mainly because I am not sure with the current state of Android Honeycomb! I keep reading issues and bugs (?) on this new OS. For example: The slow (lag) text input on web browser, I don't think I can live with this issue because I use web browser a lot (right now, I am using my wife's iPad2). For me, this is crucial issue. From what I read, this is Honeycomb bug/issue as other tablets are experiencing the same.
So, yeah, I am now taking a break from finding my dream Android tablet. Until Google fixed this issue and other quirks on Honeycomb (like the sluggish performance on launcher, 4GB file size limit etc.). Which I think the upcoming Ice Cream Sandwich will address all this.

I voted no.
I like my galaxy tab, but honeycomb still has a long way to go. I bought it mainly for browsing the net and it can hardly do that correctly. lol

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Which I think the upcoming Ice Cream Sandwich will address all this.
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I too think that the current generation of Android tablet software/hardware have been rushed to market to compete with iPad/iPad2. While Android and the manufacturers have done an excellent job for the given time frame, I think the 2nd generation of software/hardware will be a massive improvement. Google are taking their time to release Ice Scream Sandwich which is reassuring. The fact they haven't released source code for Honeycomb just further supports this. And while even the 2nd generation of tablet hardware will have issues as well, I think the main issues will be resolved regarding Android integration on tablet (i.e. performance).
I know full well that waiting for the next generation is a never-ending game but allowing the 1st generation to pass and waiting upon the 2nd generation isn't a bad strategy.

I vote yes.
Granted, honeycomb still has some work to be done (hopefully with the 3.2 update "in a few weeks"), but I'm more than happy with mine. I haven't really experienced the keyboard lag people are talking about, so I can't comment there, but I wasn't happy with the sometimes jittery motion while swiping through home screens. Installed adw launcher and I'm loving how fast it is now.
Early adoption sucks.. I owned a xoom before this, so maybe I can appreciate it more. That being said, I also have an ipad and ipad2 in the house, and I would take this any day of the week.
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I think you should just pick one up and see how you feel about it. Many will say dont bother, and many will say its the greatest. Personally I love mine, regardless of the state of Honeycomb I'm in it for the long run. But its best you form your own opinion and now based your purchases on others completely.
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my question exactly, I can get it at a local dealer - decent price BUT no local warranty - he promises to ship it back and handle everything if it goes wrong ! should I take the leap or should I wait or just pick up the Transformer instead?

Really depends on the user.
No - to my parents, sisters, wife, other newbs. The ramp is still just a bit too steep still on .any. Honeycomb tab device. Froyo is much more completely baked as a general consumer-ready OS.
Yes - to any enthusiast who wants to dig into the device, config/customize/root, etc.
Maybe TouchWiz will add a little to the newb acceptance factor...

There are certainly some quirks with HC on the tab. I didn't seem to have as many issues with 3.1 on my Xoom. However, there isn't a better screen or sound out there right now. All my complaints are software related and will either be corrected by Google or out developers. I give it 2 thumbs up.

I voted "Yes" even though I disagree with the way the option is written. The Tab has issues, of course, but its more than usable. Maybe I just have mine set up better than some, but I have almost no problems at all with anything on the device. The Tab is neither buggish nor slow, so I really don't see how anyone could credibly choose the "No" option.

Yes, I would buy a Galaxy Tablet...
...after ICS and next wave of tabs have come out, so I can pick it up on Black Friday for $250 and put CM8 on it!
No early adopter am I... oops I mean

I voted yes, but it all depends on what you expect from a tab.
It is running an OS designed for small, portable devices.
I look at it like a 'handyman' device; a jack of all trades, and a master of none. It plays games, but not as well as a console. It browses the web/email, but not as good as a netbook. It handles business needs for working with documents, but not as well as a PC.
I just don't understand why so many people expect it to be a laptop replacement.

IF you're uncomfortable with the uncertainties behind Honeycomb and IceCreamSandwich:
-AND aren't willing to root, don't buy any Android tablet now.
-AND ARE willing to root OR don't mind Honeycomb:
--AND value expandibility over fit and finish or low cost, get a Transformer.
--AND don't need expansion, want a more polished tablet, and don't mind paying more, get a Galaxy Tab.
--AND don't need expansion, don't mind some rough edges, want to get your feet wet in Android without spending a lot, and are ok with Gingerbread, get a Nook Color to root.

He states that he needs a Honeycomb tablet, so stop voting NO because you think HC is not mature.
YES! GT10.1 is the best Honeycomb tablet out there bar-none!

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IF you're uncomfortable with the uncertainties behind Honeycomb and IceCreamSandwich:
-AND aren't willing to root, don't buy any Android tablet now.
-AND ARE willing to root OR don't mind Honeycomb:
--AND value expandibility over fit and finish or low cost, get a Transformer.
--AND don't need expansion, want a more polished tablet, and don't mind paying more, get a Galaxy Tab.
--AND don't need expansion, don't mind some rough edges, want to get your feet wet in Android without spending a lot, and are ok with Gingerbread, get a Nook Color to root.
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Can you put this into an IF-THEN-ELSE statement? I can I think follow it better that way..

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Can you put this into an IF-THEN-ELSE statement? I can I think follow it better that way..
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Those aren't allowed in General.

Yes, absolutely.
Does honeycomb have some issues? Yes. That being said this is a beautiful device and in my opinion, worth the price over the other HC tablets just for a refined form factor. Awesome screen, very polished design.
I bought this device to be able to quickly access news, email and calendars, to be able to view office documents in meetings without having to drag my laptop around, and lastly to entertain myself on flights. This device does all of those perfectly. Even iPad 1&2 owners that have stopped by to check the device out were absolutely blown away.

Wow, the wording on this poll is pretty extreme - the best you can say about the Tab is that it's "still usable." Well I've had mine for a week now, and I absolutely love it. Having played with every other Android tablet out there, as well as the iPad, I think it wins hands down.
1. I don't get what people dislike about Honeycomb. It has so many features and is much more intuitive than my Froyo phone; why aren't people complaining more about the iPad's lack of a widget architecture? That's HUGE in my experience. iOS just gives you a screen with a bunch of icons, and jumping from app to app, while we have sophisticated widgets that put enormous functionality right on the home screens.
2. Flash is important. A few quick hacks and you can also watch Hulu (lame that it's not automatically allowed, I admit). But there is Flash on half the sites I visit, and the Tab does a great job with it. Having used Flash on a couple phones previously, I can say this is a big leap forward with 10.3 and the Tegra 2 processor. I can't imagine why every reviewer doesn't disqualify the iPads on that basis alone - it's a deal breaker.
3. In terms of other Android tablets, the Tab 10.1 has by far the best screen I've seen - it's beautiful. And the thin/light thing really makes a difference to me when it comes to a tablet that you have to hold in your hands 90% of the time you're using it. Plus, it's just a much more attractive design than the others I played with. I like the Transformer's additional ports and keyboard dock, but I have a laptop and a netbook and I don't want a tablet to substitute for those. I want it to be a tablet. That's what the Tab 10.1 does best.
In sum, it's not "still usable," it's the best tablet currently on the market.

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Really depends on the user.
No - to my parents, sisters, wife, other newbs. The ramp is still just a bit too steep still on .any. Honeycomb tab device. Froyo is much more completely baked as a general consumer-ready OS.
Yes - to any enthusiast who wants to dig into the device, config/customize/root, etc.
Maybe TouchWiz will add a little to the newb acceptance factor...
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I think this sums it up. Android lacks the polish of iOS, but it's so damn fun exploring the endless possibilities of Android. Provided it's software related, there's also another option that works just as well or better. I have faith that any issues that currently exist will be resolved in due time. The hardware is great and I can work with the software.

CNET tells readers to skip the Archos Gen 9 Tablets

So I was just browsing CNET (which I don't do very much anymore) and I saw a link that said "Skip These Android Tablets". Out of curiosity I clicked the link, and lo and behold, It was a video review (well, first look) of the Archos Gen 9. The video is from last week, so forgive me if this was already discussed.
Both the 80 and the 101 were looked at, and the reviewer noted slow browser rendering and lack of back camera/poor front camera as reasons for the low marks.
So...what do you guys think? I know Archos already has the Gen 9 up for sale on it's website. Has anyone received their's yet, and if so, how do you feel about it so far?
Oh, here's a link to the video if anyone wants to see it.
http://goo.gl/4KyxS

meh.......

The camera DOES suck, but who is gonna be snapping pics on a tablet held out in front of their face with the thing turned around...? NOT me! I have a phone for that The thing honestly works fine..

well the problem with gen9 is always the same
You just have to compare what an update brings u what u dont have already.
Main differences are:
faster CPU: nice to have - but actualy i dont't know many apps it really would help me - even most 3D games run fine on my 101 atm since the developers seem to have learned how to write propper code in the last 3 month Just Apps like Reactable,... are still a bit sluggish (but hey cmon those apps are also just for playing around)
Honeycomb OS: also nice to have - but can anyone tell me what is a REAL advantage over Gingerbread/Froyo? Beside the new looks and an updated OS (yes i know there are some "special HC apps - but cmon they are not dominating the market atm)
3G: seems to be a feature which I might miss sometimes - but I dont have a propper contract anyway - and I wouldn't spend on an extra one for my tablet. I don't buy an inexpensive device and then go spend hundreds of €/year for another 3G contract... teethering ftw.
GPS: quite nice but i dont use my tablet as a navigator - but some people might like the bigger display in car with a propper mount... (all other things - like finding some near places can be solved with 3G atm -> using my cellphone anyway - again a tablet is too big for those "little" jobs)
Compass: never found a really usefull app for - would never try to find my way in the woods with my tablet -> again: rather would use my cellphone - augmentet reality apps use it tho but imho they are just for playing around there are better normal 2D apps out... (well usefull if u get lost 24/7 - but its like with the GPS)
native Market support: we got it already - thanks to all devs again would hack it again anyway to see ALL apps...
512MB RAM: !!! this is the only thing im really missing - but i fear 512MB is to less again in a few month to be up-to-date - we'll face many changes in the future I think - so i rather w8 for a propper 1GB low price device
To the test directly:
- camera: well yes perhaps it sucks - but as u said - I don't even use the front camery atm - I would miss it in my phone but not in my tablet... I don't even use the front camery with skype atm - even I could...
- slow browsing: dont trust him give it another browser or some "hacks" and u are as fast as all others with similar hardware I think - browsing depends most on CPU and memory - CPU is fine imho so.... (did they really do a benchmark?)
Well the Cnet site was f***ed up as i tried to get there - so i couldn't review it atm.
Well the only reason for me to switch to GEN9 is to "be up-to-date" and ready for the furure . And it don't feels like being up-to-date if u get a crippelet device with 512MB while other devices use 1GB already... just come to Android 5.0 or think about the upcmoing Win8 and u will propably need the 1GB for many things.
Anyway I think i will skip some tablet versions as i can't see any BIG advantages over buying a new device - unless u use 3G,.. frequently.
Tablets are no real productivity devices atm - even Apple and all the other companies try to make us belive. They are nice for the couch, playing a bit or watching a movie on travels... imho I can do all thie with my 101 already.
I'll wait another year and then get some ARM Win8-Tablet - hope for some propper devs - and make some Android/Win8 Dualboot - would be awsome (yes im a dreamer )
CONCLUSION: If u got a Tablet atm there is like no reason for switching - if u get a new one anyway - gen9 might be an inexpensive option - but there are many others out atm - and there are many to come...

I got the G9 last night. It is zippier than my gTablet running a custom HC ROM. The only complaint I have (I dont care about the camera) is that there is about a second lag between pressing the power and the lock screen coming up. Also, after a night's rest, the tablet went into a SOD. I had to reboot it to wake up. This SOD has been hounding my gTab and I thought it would go away with a clean install of a stock ROM! Aargh!

This performance is all we can get? Really?

First, let me tell you, I really love Google and Android. I would never buy an iDevice because - well - I don't love Apple.
After watching all YouTube videos and reading all rare tests, I was very excited about the Galaxy Tab 7.7. Nice specs, super speedy, great display, etc...
Today I got it - more or less by accident - and with full of expectations I turned it on to show it to my colleagues. In the videos I saw every device jerking and stuttering and I thought: ok, all these widgets and live wallpaper - I will remove them and then this thing will fly!
Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
As I told you, I don't love Apple, but they get a super smooth experience on a 600 to 800 Mhz, 4 years old device while I NEVER saw this on ANY Android device. If you are honest and compare these 2 systems, Apple has done just a better job performance wise.
I don't think the hardware is not able to render menus, zooms and lists smoothly. Google has to improve it. Samsung did its job by adding the ugly touchwiz, which brought the performance down to zero.
A guy wrote on his blog, that Android will never be smooth, because of its system. It just can't be. Never. Google has to rewrite the code to get it smooth.
It's just awkward if you present your iColleagues the "new best device" on the market just to be laughed at when everything stutters. Pfff... I really hope that Google makes performance the number 1 priority in future Android versions so no iDiots can laugh at one. That's really awkward and I'm really disappointed...
Maybe I exaggerate now, and to be honest there are more important things in life. But it's just sad, that after years Google is not able to make it smooth like Apple had it from the beginning. Apple has done nothing than taking existing things, put them together and make them smooth with an eye for the detail. This I'm missing in Android. An eye for the detail.

hudl said:
Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
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I think you might have received a defective unit. I have a TF101 and the new Tab 7.7 sitting in front of me right now, and when the TF101 is set to it's stock max clock of 1ghz I can notice a slightly faster response from the Tab 7.7.
It's not a big difference, but it's there. Perhaps you were comparing your stock clocked Tab 7.7 @ 1.4GHZ to a 1.6GHZ overclocked TF101?
If you really want to wow your friends, search for 1080p in youtube (or download from Nvidia) and play the Nvidia PureVideo HD 1080p Test on multiple devices at the same time. It is mind boggling how much better the colors look/pop on the Tab 7.7's AMOLED display. (Yes, I know that the screen is only 1280x800 and therefore scaling)
Oh, and that blog post you are talking about. It's from a bygone Google intern.

I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...

hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I tried adding a widget to my screen and I did notice stuttering the first time, however every time I added a widget after that was very smooth. I haven't noticed any stuttering while going into the app drawer.
When you talk about Google competing with others like WP7, what do you mean? Android's only real competition at this point is iOS:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/
Also, your comment about Android growing because of it's price is a rather simplified view. If price were truly the reason for it's growth then why do the majority of people (in the UK at least) choose to purchase one of the most expensive variants of Android hardware?
http://www.mobileburn.com/16862/news/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-top-selling-android-smartphone-in-uk
I want to see Android grow just as much as you do, but I don't seem to have the same disdain that you do for its current iteration.

I would agree with you to some extent. I was slightly disappointed too when I first turned it on. I was thinking why in hell such a great hardware is so logy? I think TW and HC but specifically TW makes the whole experience awkward. So as with my other Samsung android devices, I got rid of TW and installed AWD launcher. The experience is totally different. 7.7 is now smooth and fast and just works great.

Just give me a larger font, so I can read!!
+1. I have had absolutely no worries with response time, lag, videos, hang ups, stutters, app drawer response, etc. My only problem is I can read my 5.3" Note a heck of a lot easier than my 7.7" Tab. Now if ICS fixes that, I am good to go. I am very critical, and yes, Android does need to consolidate and be sure when they release updates, etc., they function as well as the iGuys do (don't like i) I don't use TW at all, never have, beyond the first 30 minutes, currently using ADWLauncher EX, extremely fast, reliable........
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.

nascar24usa said:
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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I agree, the application name font in particular is quite small. Thankfully this should be fixed in ICS.
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system." - http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/

Perfect
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.

I'm looking to replace my 10.1 with one of these tabs. I will say that after running CM9 on my 10.1, anyone who is annoyed with performance the stock ROM has will love the difference should someone maintain CM9 for this device.
Performance is night and day on CM9. There are couple things keeping me from buying this right now and that's the fact that 32gb+ versions aren't available and that I question CM9 support for this tab. I think CM support will come eventually, so that's not the biggest factor holding me back of the two.
I'm positive once people are free from stock they can see just how well this tab will perform.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Honestly, this is kind of tiresome. Why bother with calling people iPeople and making it some kind of battle? You didn't invent anything so why act like it's somehow your technology versus theirs? People like their iPads and that's fine.
But I think you maybe should've at least checked the performance of the video you were going to display prior to show & tell time so this embarrassing scene didn't have to happen.

I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!

hudl
I'm sympathetic to what you are saying. (See earlier discussion in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1464192; Jade Eye Wolf's long reply has been quite helpful to me.)
Couple of questions:
1. Does using a different launcher make any difference to the subjective experience? (E.g., using ADW EX or GO Launcher EX instead of Touchwiz.) My own experience is definitely much better with ADW and GO (I settled eventually on this) than with Touchwiz, widgets and all.
2. What are the properties of the video you were playing. Could it be that it was encoded at an overly high rate? How does the same video play on the Asus? Could there be some codec issue?

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I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
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For those who aren't interested in the hma5000 "slimstick" bluetooth handset, here is a link to the clip of his video that talks specifically about the Tab 7.7's performance, or you can skip to 3:30 manually.
http://youtu.be/8OHZbPv1Tsc?t=3m30s
Thanks for the video Jade Eyed Wolf, adwex looks to be very very fast on this device.
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nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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You're welcome.

hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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Just change your launcher... Yes TW launcher sucks, whatever the HW. And yes Samsung is to blame for this
The article you mention, even though quite interesting is from an ex Google INTERN... Not exactly a top gun either... even if he may be a very smart person
Anyway I can tell you: I have an original Tab, ie rather old HW and under BOCA ROM with Launcher Pro I don't get any stutter, even with many widgets (Oh and my Quadrant score after overclock is pretty close to yours ehehe. 3900ish)
Hopefully upcoming firmwares will fix your issue. But then again just changing your launcher should do the trick

TouchWiz is THE SUCK and absolutely evil! Honestly my Nook Color with its single core CPU felt faster with its optimized CM7 build.. I have used a Prime and there is no comparison. Everything is slower on the Tab but I think changing the launcher will help.
An obvious indication of the slow response is when you press the power button to wake the Tab up from sleep, the screen doesn't come on instantaneously. I mean WTF is up with THAT?
Sent from another Galaxy (Tab 7.7 via Tapatalk)

HoneyComb + touchwiz are SLOW!!!
Tried all sort of different launchers, seems like they are working better then stock... which REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!
Anyhow, waiting for a proper ICS release, maybe that one will have a better launcher and will work better...
Have a nice day,
SK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaurAFNrrA
It is also explained and showed on this unboxing and walk through video.. Im not really sure if its TW or Andriod causing the lag but im hoping its just TW.
EDIT:
After watching JadeEye's post its now conclusive that its just TW.

Excellent
nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font

lucid said:
My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
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that would require you to either shrink the screen or increase the resolution 4 times.
none possible at the moment

I just need text to be bigger throughout the whole operating system and applications.
Up close my eyes are 80%, which I think sucks. So i always bought the biggest
screen that comes with a phone. So after enjoying the note for a month, i heared about the 7.7 and now want/need that/.

CM7 support?

I've wanted to know for the longest time if any rom developement like CyanogenMod 7 is going to come out even if it is majorly slimmed down
Sent from my MB520 using XDA App

I suppose it depends on how you define "the longest time". The topic has certainly been discussed here before.

Well boys and girls here is the official response from the CM team on developing a version of CM7 for our beloved NSTs: To put this topic on track and provide an answer to OP:
No -the NST is not up for CM
As for the "script kiddies" comment, grow up or do it yourself.
/thread That was from the head moderator.
Original thread link: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/30624-nook-simple-touch-mod/
Seems like any mods close to CM 7 will come from the talented developers among us.

With guys like that making our case, I don't think we've got a chance in hell! Nothing like pissing off the developers you're dependent to put your device at the bottom of the list.
I would, of course, love to have some selection of ROMs, but given the limitations of the hardware, and the focus on reading and battery life, I'm not sure how much can be achieved:
There are color Android devices running 2.3 with multi-touch for $100 for those that want "more tablet" functionality at low price.
Battery life is already very, very good. CM7 is often associated with poor(ish) battery life, so I wouldn't expect it to improve, at least not dramatically. You still have to reduce background and wifi usage to keep any sort of good battery life.
I can understand the concern about obsolescence and "future proofing", but let's face it, it's a $100 device that I'll probably actively use for 2 years, max. My Palm III still works beautifully, my Sharp Zaurus as well. Hell, I could get my old Atari Portfolio working if I had to. Putting CM7 on those won't compel me to pull them out of the drawer and use them again.
Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see some development, and would throw in a few bucks to support it. I just wonder if most of what's wanted can't be achieved by working on the existing firmware. I do want the B&N firmware (reader, library, store) functionality (hopefully, all fixed by B&N someday), so my needs may not be typical.

Well, since in my country there are B&N stores -at all-, I just ordered one because of the hardware, size and price. I have no interest in the B&N firmware at all due to this.
I'm up for the task though. I'm mostly busy with work and real life but I want to use this as a cheap, android-compatible tablet I can root and then use as secondary display (VNC)/device rooter/flasher (HTC Magic )/Android app development/etc.
CM7 might be heavy, yes, it's so heavy it's slow in my device, but CM6 works fine & dandy and even better with some optimizations of my own, so I bet this device is able to run, at least, Froyo, which is enough to run around 80% of market apps if not 98%, if I'm not wrong.