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[POLL] When a NAND version is released, Will you flash?

First of all lets not turn this into a war of the mobile OS's....Everyone has their own oppinions and needs, which is why there will NEVER be a definitive answer to the Question: Which is better, WinMo or Android? So please dont start flamewars or fanboy arguments in this thread.
The purpose of this poll is to determine how many of you will be 'switching' to Android on a pemanent basis, and how many of you will be sticking with Windows Mobile in some capacity.
I ask this because originally when I first tested Android, I envisaged myself sticking with Windows Mobile when a flashable Android ROM was released.
Then as great progress began to be made with the AndroidHD2 development, I began to think that windows was dead to me and I eagerly awaited the NAND version of Android.
Now I am beginning to think that I might stick with a dual boot option even when the NAND version comes. Ideally I would like to have Android as my flashed ROM with a version of WM 6.5.x running from SD as a dual boot option.
So... When the NAND Flashable version of Android for HD2 comes...What will you do?
(I know this should be in the 'General HD2 Android' section but there isn't one...yet. Mods, please move when possible).

I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..

If i can still retain WinMo then sure, why not... but if it's not possible then i'll stick to the Micro SD card. I wouldn't want to give up my ability to dual boot.
The Android builds are fast enough anyways on the card and i'm sure a class 6 Micro SD will be faster than the NAND anyways.

As well as in PCs, having dual boot means you can use both OSes Apps. So I will stick to dual boot.

I plan on buying the next big android phone tmobile and htc come up with (and i have a nexus one), so my hope for the hd2 is flashing wp7. I dont know if you nand flash if you would be able to flash wp7 if there are gonna be wp7 roms.

ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!

THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Now THATS what Im talkin about!
Even the iOS4 might make it onto my card if a version was ever released for HD2...one more app store cant hurt

Here's the thing
If we flash Android to nand, will there be any going back? Will there ever be updates to future versions of android? This is the primary thing to me, if the dev's will continue to upgrade Android for future versions then I might flash, but if it's kind of a one and done, I'd probably stick with dual booting. I'm also hoping that there is eventually a wp7 port for the hd2 as well...

I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?

HectiQ said:
I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..
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same for me, the other gps software are.... not as good and easy as tomtom.
I will use Winmo for tomtom only and the rest on android
maybe tomtom release a android version

THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Would it ever be possible to have iOS on a hd2? That would be great for all the extra apps.
I am happy with Android on SD card and dual booting.

I prefer the functionality of a dual boot, but in appealability I would much prefer to run Android as a day to day phone when the nand is finally ported. But I wouldn't jump in feet first,I'd hope that it was totally reversible and not flash back & forth,just that winmo could stay as an option to return to. And that the devs can continue to feed us with fresher versions when they become available.

umiss said:
I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?
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And I'm thinking there is a different thread on that subject

i prefer winmo over the android , im returning to winmo , its just my openion :!

Bye bye winmo
The only thing that winmo is doing in my phone right now is to help me to run haret.

sure i would flash it, just to satisfy my curiosity, but i would eventually stick with dual booting winmo and android on SD.

NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.

pack21 said:
NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.
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This is great news! i really do start reading the dev channel logs to keep up to date

triple booting
i am sticking with triplebooting android ,ubuntu,winmo.i am using a class 4 card and the speed is great,moving up to class 6 .my hd2 with android scores better than my brothers evo on linpack,and quadrant.

At the moment I will stay on dual boot. Cant wait for a really stable Android for HD2 If we can get TomTom or iGO8 on Android then i will go with it on NAND.

[Q] U.S.A HD2 and Android

hay guys sorry id some of you get mad for me posting this here but this is the only place i know my qustion will get answered. OK im new to the windows phone deal. i have a mytouch slide and a g1 rooted so i under that hole part here is my ?.
From what i have read on the forums only build roms work with the hd2. well i would like to put android on it but after looking around most the roms on here and the links on here for putting android on the phone all lead to the LEO forum is the correct or no if not can someone tell me were to get the most resent android rom for the hd2 usa, now there seems to be two ways of installing it one is from sd card and 2 is from boot i would like to do it from boot any help would be grate thanks all and happy modding

Someone correct me if I am wrong...
There are not TWO ways of doing android.
Android is ALWAYS installed on the SD card. The only way to "boot" to it is to have your WM configured to boot the two files from your SD card required to run it, in essence there are a few apps that can do this at WM startup.
You will still need an Android friendly Windows Mobile ROM, so the stock from will not work. You also need a compatible radio.
I would check out the HD2 Android Dev forum for more info though.

JonSolo said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong...
There are not TWO ways of doing android.
Android is ALWAYS installed on the SD card. The only way to "boot" to it is to have your WM configured to boot the two files from your SD card required to run it, in essence there are a few apps that can do this at WM startup.
You will still need an Android friendly Windows Mobile ROM, so the stock from will not work. You also need a compatible radio.
I would check out the HD2 Android Dev forum for more info though.
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The Android port cannot replace the WinMo OS just yet. The only way is to install it to your SD Card and it will run off of that. There are apps that allow you to choose between WinMo and Android on bootup. The LEO Android forum is correct since Android builds do not matter which device it is booted on.
Android is able to run on the Stock ROM, but people have said it runs better with a different ROM/Radio.
The build I recommend is Energy ROM / Radio 2.12.50.02_2 and an Android Build of your choice, but you can always run it on the Stock if you feel like it.

gaarry said:
The build I recommend is Energy ROM / Radio 2.12.50.02_2 and an Android Build of your choice, but you can always run it on the Stock if you feel like it.
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+1 EnergyROM w/ 2.12.50.02 radio works very nicely for me.
pactive73 said:
can someone tell me were to get the most resent android rom for the hd2 usa
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I would look Here (FroyoStone thread) first and see how you like it. Latest release Sep 2nd.

Also when you download the Rom your prob wanna need the rmnt version. Froyostone is the best my far for me and bootloaders are for people with more then one Android Rom on there sdcard
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

HD2 Win6.5 + Win7

Hello xdadevs,
i have a question, is it possible to have win6.5 and win7.0 installed on a HTC HD2?
for example win6.5 on device and win7.0 on SD card?
i tried to find some info in the current threads but didnt find anything
thank you in advance

Hello.
It's not possible yet (maybe in future...?). Those are your posibilities:
- Windows Mobile from NAND (stock).
- WM6.5 in NAND, Android from SD Card.
- Android from NAND (no WM).
- Windows Phone 7 in NAND.
- Windows Phone 7 in NAND, Android from SD Card.
There are also other choices like WM in NAND and Ubuntu from sdcard (via HaRET.exe), but those are most popular.

Cotulla said that he is working on a SD version of WM6.5, so if that gets released, you have have wp7 on NAND and WM65 on SD... but it may be a while before that gets released.

thank u so much ppl, ill be in touch with forum to check cotulla's progress
ps:zarathustrax r we ...somehow related ? hehehe (your nick)

zarras said:
thank u so much ppl, ill be in touch with forum to check cotulla's progress
ps:zarathustrax r we ...somehow related ? hehehe (your nick)
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LOL... yeah, the first 3 letters are the same. I took my nick from Nietszche's book, which I read a lot in my youth... then just added an X. Don't remember exactly why... I think I was going for something like Zarathustra-X, but didn't separate the X or capitalize it. I don't know exactly what I was thinking at the time... it was a few years ago.
As far as progress about WM65 for SD, cotulla probably won't give updates on progress... probably will just release it suddenly when it's done... if it even works out and he finishes it. It's probably not a high priority for him with all the other projects he's working on, especially now that he's working on magldr for the Rhodium, too. Hopefully we'll see it in the next few months though. I look forward to tribooting wp7, android and WM65.

Android + WM on NAND
Hi
is possible to have Android **and** WM on Nand ???

OrsoNerOne said:
Hi
is possible to have Android **and** WM on Nand ???
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No you can only have one OS at a time in NAND. One because of limited space in NAND and to you would have to parition it even if you did have enough space and I do not think you can partition the NAND memory of a device as it is not like a actual hard drive or SD card.

[Q] SD or NAND ?

What are you think ?
Is better to install sd or nand android ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909185

Fatih_np said:
What are you think ?
Is better to install sd or nand android ?
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depends highly on your preferences ... do you 1. like having winmo 6.x (and warranty if applicable) 2. want only android as main OS
both have pros and cons. personally i like having android on NAND because its more native (turn the phone on and it boots right into android as if it came factory installed) and windows mobile 6.x is a dead (officially no longer supported by MS)
one might prefer SD to have more freedom and ease switching between rom builds.
the decision (and intensive research on how to accomplish either SD or NAND) is ultimately up to you.
GOOD LUCK :-D

Definitly NAND as long as you dont have an app running under WinMob only.
Sent from my HTC Pyramid (HD2 Leo)

Of Course Nand, work a lot of smoother and who needs WM 6.5
Maybe if you need WP7 you can make Android on SD

I prefer sd

Since WinMo 6.5 is rubbish and you can do everything with Android in a faster and smarter way of course NAND is your choice.

I had this same question - I have an application that only works on WM6.5 - So I guess I will need SD?
Now I have to choose a ROM - Can anyone point me in the right direction - I want something stable, fast and not too much updating.
Regards
ADC

adchesney said:
I had this same question - I have an application that only works on WM6.5 - So I guess I will need SD?
Now I have to choose a ROM - Can anyone point me in the right direction - I want something stable, fast and not too much updating.
Regards
ADC
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If you want try SD with Sense, look at this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171237
Fast, stable, all work well. But not last version of Android...

If you don't plan on using both WinMo AND Android, I would definitely recommend NAND.
I tried both approaches and NAND ROMs are simply faster and more responsive (NAND memory is usually faster than SD).
If you are an HD2 Android beginner, you might first try to use an SD version to try things out and get the feel of the Andorid OS (SD builds are easier to install).
Then, if you decide that pure Android is the way to go, you can switch to a NAND build.
There are ROMs that are maintained in both SD and NAND versions - for example the AmeriCan Android, which I use and am totally satisfied with (SD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1209474; and if I remember correctly, there should even be an Ice Cream Sandwitch version in the works).

Fatih_np said:
What are you think ?
Is better to install sd or nand android ?
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i chose sd only if i try sonthing new. like the ice cream sandwich. but imo is nand the right one.

[Q] Suggestion for dual boot

Hi guys! I need an advice both from Windows and Android users.
I used to run Gingerbread on my Leo (NexusHD2 by Tytung) with nativeSD, and I didn't update to ICS or JB because I didn't want it to become laggy (I suppose they are heavier than GB).
Yesterday, my sdcard got broken (actually it became write-protected for no reason on earth, and I couldn't find any way to unlock it or format it, even though I tried with every solution I found on the internet), so I just bought a new one, which will arrive tomorrow; I've read on xda that class4 Sandisk cards are the best ones for smartphones, because they have a higher random speed, whereas class6 and class10 have higher sequential speed but lower random speed. So I bought a 32GB Sandisk class4.
ANDROID PART
1) Now, given that card, do you think I will be able to run smoothly Jellybean (if I find a good stable ROM)? Or do you think it is just too heavy? (If I'm not mistaken ICS, JB, Kitkat are all optimized for multi-core CPUs, and we have a single core with relatively low ram...)
2) If you think I can update to JB without having lags as soon as I install a few apps, would you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later.
WINDOWS PHONE PART
Since I'll have plenty of space now, with 32GB, I thought to give Windows Phone a shot, since I use Windows 8 on my laptop and I've been told that WP is a very light and not power-demanding OS.
So my idea is a dual boot through nativeSD with Android as favourite OS (since it's the one I'm used to) and WP as second OS, to see if it can fit my needs.
Could you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later. Besides, is there a stable WP8 for HD2 or just WP7?
Thank you very much for any help. I hope to come to a decision today because tomorrow I'll get the new sdcard and I want to do ll the flashing in one time, without having to repartition the sdcard later

hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S

hamid_valad said:
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
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Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?

alfling said:
Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
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1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!

hamid_valad said:
1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
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Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:

alfling said:
Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
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see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!

hamid_valad said:
see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
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You've helped me a lot! Thanks!