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"FAIL"-phone slower than other phones? Despite Snapdragon?

Looks like HTC has done it again and delivered a phone that should run crazy fast on paper BUT the actual performance is sub-par compared to other phones:
HTC Nexus One (FAILphone):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzxZ8tOBcQ
HTC Magic and HTC Liquid Benchmark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O36LA6EhZg4

I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.

Do you work for Apple?

How does it do on PiBenchmark? That would provide more relevant results with its Snapdragon processor.

andythefan said:
I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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doesn't the liquid come with an underclocked snapdragon?

I have a Magic that is rooted and tweaked to all hell and have played with the nexus. There is no doubt that the Google phone out performs any other phone that HTC has released. Ive seen it first hand. Its very fast and can handle so many things going on at the same time it makes my tummy tickle.

You are an idiot. Get your panties out of a bunch because you are pissed at the price and that it has no AT&T 3G. Should we all be pissed that the Droid only works on Verizon? Should we all be pissed that the iPhone only has AT&T 3G? The Nexus One is designed to be on T-Mobile. Sure, it will technically work on any GSM provider, but that isn't what it was intended to do. Google must have some deal with T-Mobile since they offers the most android phones.
And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU

staulkor said:
And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU
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I thought neocore tested the graphics chip with 3d benchamarking?

andythefan said:
I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?

What are you, 15 years old? Get off of mommy's computer and stop *****ing because you can't use the N1 on your network and get 3G.

Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.

Maedhros said:
Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.
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Actually ... it goes nicely with HTC's track record of under-performing hardware.

We have too many variables that makes comparing these results difficult. The HTC Magic and Liquid are running 1.6, while the Nexus is running 2.1. There are dramatically different levels of overhead on different Android system versions. There could be way more overhead on Android 2.1 than on 1.6. Additionally, you forgot to mention that the Nexus One is running at a resolution 2.5 times that of the HTC Magic.
Just because you're not going to buy the Nexus (because you recently purchased another handset and are trying to justify your purchase, or because it doesn't support your carrier's 3G frequencies, or otherwise) doesn't mean you are obliged to spam these forums with "OMG THIS PHONE IS FAIL"

the resolution used on the n1 is far higher than on the older devices remember

coolVariable said:
It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?
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The only FAIL here are your posts. You sound like a Droid owner, pissed that your phone is about to lose top dog status. Just crawl back into your parents basement, fire up your xbox, and shoot some 12 year olds. It will help you get over the fact that you are a huge FAIL.

lol @semantics now thats funny man

I have had this phone for three weeks now and one thing its not is SLOW. Its way faster than my 3GS and my Mytouch.

I got 27.4 FPS on my G1.
I'm pretty sure the N1 isn't slower then the G1. That would be stupid.

I don't give a damn, I'm buying this joint day 1!! LOL

my theory:
1. Neocore is designed to work with android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1
2. The Liquid A1 has the same processor (albeit underclocked) and the same screen resolution as the N1 so you would expect them to perform similarliy. They dont perfrom the same so you must look at the differences between the phones. The biggest to me is the fact that the Liquid A1 has Android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1, the sweet spot for Neocore.
3. The N1 had Android 2.1 and Open GL ES 2.0, specs that are not supported by Neocore. How can Neocore accurately test the N1 when it does not support its specifications? The slowness is not due to poor hardware, rather it is due to old software trying to run on the latest hardware.

I just jumped ship

I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?

Root it and provide system dumps

I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....

tuan209 said:
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.

GHOST99K said:
Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
Mokurex said:
Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.

dskyers said:
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum

Mactagonist said:
I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
wondercoolguy said:
So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...

SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this

wondercoolguy said:
@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.

SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.

Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core

SoberGuy said:
Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance

flybyme said:
actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.

Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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norazi said:
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.

mac208x said:
soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....

So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.

tuan209 said:
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.

Evo shift 4g

I would love to have the htc evo shift 4g if it does happen to have a 800mhz processor. The keyboard is something that I would love to have. I read alot of people saying they'll trade in their evos. what're my options for getting the shift but not paying too much money in extra..?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.

Pay full retail or sell your evo, you won't have any luck unless you're close to an upgrade
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Okay thank you. But is the shift worth more or less then the evo
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.

the screen is smaller also at 3.6"

phistyle said:
the screen is smaller also at 3.6"
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Yeah I know
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.

Crossrocker said:
Okay thank you. But is the shift worth more or less then the evo
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That's pure opinion
The Shift has a smaller screen, it has a keyboard but its a pretty gimped keyboard, but the internals are a little better.

really every thing i read about the shift4g is a fail phone smaller screen slower cpu idk its a downgrade for me

Actually the 800mhz proc is rumored to be the same as the g2( Desire Z) which is actually a very nice proc.

Its a G2. Bamm.
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Exactly why im consedering it!
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.

The speed difference isn't going to matter.
No matter if the 800mhz cpu in the shift is faster than the 1ghz cpu in the Evo, or vice versa, neither cpu is going to have an actually noticeable speed difference.
Now, if the 800mhz processor is better on battery life, then that's whats worth anything.
I see it as, at its theoretical best, a very small step up from the Evo.
If you have an Evo I wouldn't waste my time getting that phone.
If you want a keyboard I would get the Epic with the full keyboard.
If you want more power I would just wait til summer.

CheesyNutz said:
really every thing i read about the shift4g is a fail phone smaller screen slower cpu idk its a downgrade for me
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I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.

toprock23 said:
I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.
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Now now, while I'm not saying it doesn't out perform the Evo's snapdragon, let's not confuse ability to overclock with performance.

mattykinsx said:
The speed difference isn't going to matter.
No matter if the 800mhz cpu in the shift is faster than the 1ghz cpu in the Evo, or vice versa, neither cpu is going to have an actually noticeable speed difference.
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Its definitely noticeable..mostly the GPU..and this isn't only about games its about hardware acceleration enabled software and etc...
Now, if the 800mhz processor is better on battery life, then that's whats worth anything.
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EVO=65nm
Shift=45nm
aka Shift processor uses less power..
I see it as, at its theoretical best, a very small step up from the Evo.
If you have an Evo I wouldn't waste my time getting that phone.
If you want a keyboard I would get the Epic with the full keyboard.
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Yup I can't understand why HTC went with a 4 row kb on it...I mean is making it 5 row that hard?!?!? I mean it would cost them like 5 cents more at best probably and make thousands more happy...
But Epic is sweet..
If you want more power I would just wait til summer.
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Tegra 2 phones would be cool...
toprock23 said:
I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.
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The Galaxy S GPU is around 40%-100% more powerful actually...
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Evo shift 4g

So who's making the jump to the Evo shift 4g? There is a review video on YouTube as well. Search for Evo shift 4g.
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Yeah I am
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raymond4 said:
Yeah I am
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I'm an epic user but I have seen the great dev community for the Evo and as I will be getting the shift for my wife I really hope that some of your devs make the switch or at the very least expand their development to include the shift!

Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there

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Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?

I just got my EVO last night and ordered the wife an Optimus she decided her Blackberry just couldn't hang anymore. But we might be sending the optimus back now after seeing the shift demo video, looks really nice.

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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
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Champagne would fall from the heavens all doors will open and you will be crowned one of the coolest wifes to walk the earth.

Has anyone looked at the hardware specs or can tell if the 4g chipset is the same as the EVO? In other words: will all the WIMAX work being done right now be Shift compatible? I imagine so (at worst just wait for a kernel release so the new drivers can be compiled) but I'm curious.

The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.

smaller with a slide out keyboard. No thanks. It really doesn't have better specs than the Evo, just smaller with a slide out keyboard. I think I'll stick with my Evo for now because when I am eligible for an upgrade the phones will be much better than the Shift. No sense getting locked into a lesser phone for 2 yrs. My 2 pennies worth anyway. To each his own.

Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Is it going to ship with the new sense?

leenypost said:
The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
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*Sigh* people like numbers too much. Just because the number 800 is smaller than 1000 doesn't mean that 1000 is better than 800. The chip running the Evo Shift is faster than the plain old Evo and has been overclocked to 1600mhz which is bigger than 1000. As I've read in here the Evo force reboots at 1200. The only downside to this phone is its size which many would view as an upside (my wife is one of those people...she has small hands and cannot use the Evo or the Epic).

Think about it only a 2g sd card but the 1 LED flash will be better for taking pics on a 5mp cam. The EVO is still better even though I have a thing for keyboards. I didn't know I had a big thing for screen size until I got this lol. Bigger IS better, or at least that is what my girlfriend said.
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
also the keyboard would be handy, i miss having a real keyboard and can live with the smaller screen (same resolution...so whatever)
just hope we get CM7 on the Shift some time soon after release :-D
anyone hating on the CPU hasn't seen an evo and a G2 side by side.
my friends unrooted, stock G2 wipes the floor with my Evo running CM6.1.1 with zendroid 1.0.2 BFS - AVS with setCPU set to performance at 998mhz (stock clock and setCPU profiles turned off)
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D

Ill enjoy my evo and switch when there is a significant upgrade.

I am very tempted to make a jump ship to the Shift 4g. However, you guys do point out interesting facts that I might reconsider.

No thanks from what I have seen I will stick with my evo. I have a craving for big screens. I love the size of my evo and wwont be going to a smaller screen
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ffolkes said:
Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Its actually a Rev 1 and is only 800mhz. Only comes with a 2gb sd card also.
I'll pass!

edgemaster191 said:
i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
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The scorpion core is Qualcomm's changes to ARM's standard Cortex A8 CPU. Both first and second generation Snapdragon have the scorpion core. Per clock cycle, Qualcomm claims it is 5-10% faster than a standard Cortex A8 (iphone 3gs used this processor). The second generation snapdragon is built on a 45nm process (60nm for first generation) so it is more energy efficient and should be better on battery life. The big advantage is the upgraded gpu, the Adreno 205 is much more powerful than the Adreno 200 found in the first generation Snapdragon.
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Epic 4g vs tegra 2...

So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.

Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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lviv73 said:
Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
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The Tegra 2 GPU is not 3-4 times more powerful...if anything the GPU is where the Epic is closest to the Tegra 2..(of course the Tegra 2 GPU supports some nice new protocols but in terms of raw power)
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So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Here is the things to consider besides quadrant being flawed:
1) The Tegra 2 right now is not optimized and is not using the dual core..its only using 1 core..Dual Core support and optimizations will come with Honeycomb..
2) The Hummingbird is also not optimized and will be optimized in Gingerbread
3) The GPU on the Epic dithers at 24bit while Tegra 2 still does 16bit dithering...
4) The GPU on the Epic is FPS locked...so its definitely capable of more..
Its kinda hard to say what the performance will be of both once the smoke clears..but the Tegra 2 is 40nm and is based of Cortex A9 which give it a lot of advantages..the disadvantages would lie in whether or not applications would support dual core and if they will when and how efficiently..
I estimate though Tegra 2 would definitely win on CPU processing from 25%-100% depending on whether or not it can use both cores..and in terms of GPU it would be around the same to 50% better depending if there is dual core support or not...(assuming that we unlock the FPS and find a way to make it dither the same amount of bits)
Edit: Forgot to add a conclusion~~
Conclusion is that a Tegra 2 is definitely an upgrade BUT until Honeycomb comes into play we would definitely be competitive...beyond that we won't be a slouch(I mean people still use EVOs even though ours is superior by a good margin)..but its no question Tegra 2 will surpass us..
Oh and on the Nvidia tibit...I am pretty pissed at them after what they did with the laptops..they have been serving faulty chipsets for laptops for YEARS and bribing manufacturers to use them..which has me pretty pissed...even though I hear latest chipsets 400+ series are ok..but I probably won't be buying a nvidia laptop for a while..desktop gpus are ok with me though..
RushAOZ said:
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Usually TVs tend to be Passive Matrix OLED and not Active Matrix OLED..anyways..that said I have seen an OLED TV at CES 2011..Don't now exact size it was as I viewed from a distance and had a person distracting me..I think it was 32"-46" somewhere there..and I'll tell you this IT WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD...or more precisely in this world..it was like looking through a glass window and they could pop out any time..thats how realistic it looked...I mean those 3rd TVs are suppose to "come out" but I think thats over-rated..look at an OLED TV and thats where its at..it was simply amazing...

Check out Galaxy S2.

I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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musclehead84 said:
I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I'm sure i wasn't the only one that noticed that none of the big CES phones were for sprint.... I don't think sprint even had a showing at CES

Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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I thought it was Feb 7th?

ort84 said:
I thought it was Feb 7th?
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it Is 8)
http://www.androidcentral.com/whats-sprint-conjuring-feb-7

I'm personally waiting for orion to make the jump to dual core. The tegra 2 is a nice upgrade for a non-hummingbird
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Anybody know the specs on the supposed epic 2?
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Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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That is true of all phones except the razor. That was one well made phone, even see ones at least based off them these days. Those used to not break, remember when cell phones didn't break daily?

I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.

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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Orion! I mean hummingbird is te best single core...so why would samsung pass the crown? Lol but nah the tegra is probably gonna be the worst since its the first, but just because its the worst does not mean its bad at all lol
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musclehead84 said:
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Hard to say really...there really is no benchmarks or live phones to tell..
The Tegra 2 seems to support more new specs/features on their GPU...the Orion will be bundled with the MALI-400 and the snapdragon has its Adreno which seems to be promising performance on par with our current Hummignbird but will have a 1.2ghz dual core which might help it in cpu (Though Tegra 2.5 will come this year too with 1.2ghz), the OMAP chose the SGX540 which is hard to say how they will utilize it..
See its kinda a mixed bag...as we don't have any phones to try out..
IF I were to guess out of all the Dual cores this year..the best performance would either be the Tegra 2.5 or the Orion..:/
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I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Multi-core support comes with Honeycomb :/..but yeh the 4 core CPU and a SGX543MP4+ does look rather sweet on that PSP..

I could write a monster post here, since comparing SoC architecture is a hobby of mine.
But, I'm tired, so I'm just going to drop links and say a few words.
http://briefmobile.com/lg-optimus-2x-benchmarked-defies-special-relativity
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_90715.html
Obviously NVIDIA's stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt (it has a certain amount of marketing spin thrown in) but thus far has been fairly accurate when compared to actual performance numbers.
Samsung is using Tegra 2 (we've caught them accepting orders for large numbers of Tegra 2 processors) so Orion is either still in the works or has been placed on the backburner. TI is prepping their OMAP 4400, which hopefully will feature some tweaks (not something TI is known for however) to keep it competitive with the fairly hard-copy Tegra 2 ARM Cortex-A9.
And let's not forget Qualcomm. They may not be technically using Cortex-A9, but with their license to customize the ARM instruction set and CPU architecture as they see fit (something that NVIDIA, Samsung, and TI haven't paid to do), they have the ability to modify their SoCs to remain competitive, no matter what the other guys do. Their only major drawback is the time and money they need to spend on R&D.
Alright, I didn't want to write a book so I'm going to stop myself here. If you want to see me rattle on for pages about this stuff, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

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Dungeon Defender on the Optimus 2X
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Runs exactly the same as it does on my epic, I'm not sure the point with that?
gTen we will see if its there when its released. Until then all those dual cores don't do much.