I'm pretty happy with my new HTC Hero, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the WiFi connection. I connects fine and shows "good" or "excelent" signal strength on my home network. However the speed is very slow and if I go to Android Market it loads the different apps very slowly an looses connection often: It says "No connection" and I press the "Retry" button...). It is not just a problem i Android Marked. Loading pages in the browser, facebook etc. is extremely slow when on WiFi. When I'm using EDGE everything is A LOT faster and I don't get "A network error has occured. Retry or cancel...etc.".
I have tried different settings on my access point, but nothing seems to help. I have (tempoarily) disabled encryption, tried swiching channels, using B instead og G setting, and manually setting: Gateway, DNS etc... In the end it got a bit frustrating so I tried a factory reset. But WiFi is still very slow. If you have any suggestions to what the problem might be I would be very grateful.
I had a similar problem with my AP (D-Link DIR 655) and tried to set it to use the same communications setup as another AP that worked properly. Whatever I did with encryption, keys and channels made no difference on my AP. The solution on this AP was to set it to 802.11g only (it was b+g+n), and it has worked fine since.
I do however suspect that there may be some serious issues lurking in the linux kernel that is used on the hero (2.6.27). Wifi was a nightmare on that release with notebooks too, and core parts of the wifi-stack has been replaced since. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a significant improvement in wifi-performance whenever there's an Android release that include a 2.6.30 or later kernel.
I have been having the same issues but my wifi didnt work with the browser, or youtube. I downloaded Opera mini and wifi works fine. With factory browser i can go to google and it will load and search but once i click on links found it hangs and wont connect. I am so frustrated my sim is going back into my iphone 3gs until an update is released this sucks big time
It is a bit disappointing if this is a general issue, but I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one with this type of problem.
Maybe this could also be a HTC-issue? I remember my HTC Tytn II where there was a slider where you could choses between "performance" or "battery saving". I remember that I couldn't get the WiFi to run properly unless I set it to highest performance. I consumed more power but it worked with this setting.
On my Hero, the HSDPA connection is for some reason faster than my ADSL2+ (24Mbps) connection. Rather odd..
Same here. The 3G/EDGE is a lot faster than my 20 Mbit ADSL. It makes no sense
Why does it take so long to make a connection to my router via wifi?
This can sometimes take 10 - 15 minutes before I have a connection.
With my windows mobile device this takes only a few seconds.
I'm experiencing the same issue on my Hero (with updated HTC firmware). I've also tried playing around with my routers settings to no avail. My Hero is basically useless for browsing on WIFI.
I'm curious, does anyone running an alternative rom experience this? If not I may look into rooting my phone..
Root your phone and do this
echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps
It will fix it.
/b
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Root your phone and do this
echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps
It will fix it.
/b
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I have the same disconnection problems.
What is "Root your phone" and can this really fix our problem?
frem
frem said:
I have the same disconnection problems.
What is "Root your phone" and can this really fix our problem?
frem
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you've had 57 posts and dont know what rooting is;p aha (not trying to be a ****, just found that funny:])
when you root your phone you gain root access and can do just about anything, like install apps that need root access! there are guides in the dev section on how to, and if you do a search there is a thread on what root allows you to do!
i dont know if that command will fix your problem though, sorry!
xsirhc6x said:
you've had 57 posts and dont know what rooting is;p aha (not trying to be a ****, just found that funny:])
when you root your phone you gain root access and can do just about anything, like install apps that need root access! there are guides in the dev section on how to, and if you do a search there is a thread on what root allows you to do!
i dont know if that command will fix your problem though, sorry!
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I've been a "windows mobile" user for a long time.
I know what "root access" is in the general Unix environment.
But I don't really know how it works on the Android OS.
I'm more of a Windows guy.
It's my first time messing on Android, I got tired of Windows Mobile.
frem
Just my humble opinion. This is a problem that should be fixed by htc.
If rooting fixes it it's good, but it can't be a requirement to get it working properly.
I mean you buy a phone with wifi, you expect it to be as fast as your provider is... Getting less is just not getting what you paid for.
Has anyone mailed HTC about this problem? I hardly ever use wifi but tried it today
and indeed my hsdpa is lot's faster than my 20mbit connection @ home.
Help us pleaseeee
briankwest said:
Root your phone and do this
echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps
It will fix it.
/b
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That pretty much cut the speed in half for me.
Seriously the wifi issue is a big problem for me. I don't have a 3g unlimited plan.
Basically when i activate the wifi i start a application like update weather or check a webpage or update tweets, it works then connection drop and i can't connect to anything.
I have to deactivate wifi then reactivate to get like 40 seconds surfing and downloading apps on the market.
IS everyone having the same wifi problem ?
It happened on every access point not just the one at my place.
Please help me, is it my phone that has a hardware problem ?
frem
you gotta think of it this way...
most people who dont have problems arnt gunna make it to this thread because there not searching for it! So your mostly gunna get replys saying "same here"
so im guessing most people dont have this problem.. although it could be a specific rom on a specific carrier or something... see if you have anything in common with other people with this problem, if not, maybe it is hardware
WiFi channels
Have you tried changing the wifi channel in your router settings in case there is interferance with a nearby router on the same channel? Although you would experience slow wifi on any wifi device (laptops)..but worth checking.
I've just done a speedtest on my phone using the speedtest.net app and do get just over half the download speed on my phone (5-6mbps) opposed to my pc (wired 9-10mbps) and laptop (wireless 9-10mbps). So knowing my wireless is set up correctly, it does show some loss in speed with the hero. See how much of a loss you get?
Adam
Thank you for your reply. I think i figured it out. I am at the countryside right now and im connnected on a diferent acess point and it's working perfectly i'm actually writing this post in WiFi mode on the hero. So the problem is from the other access point i tested. i already tried changing the Channel number. I use a french provider that use access points called "freebox"
FYI the problem with the hero and some wifi access points is well known and is being forwarded to htc by Vodafone.
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=25004
Htc said that they are working on it..
frem
As we don't have a Droid forum here yet, or anything for Android 2.0 AFAIK, this seemed like the best place to start the conversation. Feel free to move it, if there is a better place, but the question is specifically on networking and how two different phone OSs handle it.
If you don't know what an ad-hoc network is, I'll summarize by saying that, in my lexicon, it is a way for wireless devices to form connections with each other, allowing any Internet connection on the network to be shared by all. A more precise definition is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ad_hoc_network See also "mesh network" and "Wifi Tethering".
So.. I am considering upgrading my Titan to a Droid. Frankly, the main thing that is keeping me from doing this is that I can't give up WMWiFiRouter. WMWiFiRouter sets up an adhoc wifi network with (or without) security, thus sharing my 3g connection with all I give my network key to.
After finding & buying this program, I was able to drop my $60/mo (or w/e) EVDO card account. So. it is worth it to stay on a Titan till I am sure my phone can be used to connect my laptop/netbook/wife's ipod to the Internet while I am out of my house. I work from home so if I don't have portable wifi access I go stir crazy after a few weeks. I hear "Wifi Tethering" is going to become a product for VZW, but we all know that means it could be a year or three away. Can you all help me decide if upgrading to a Droid is possible. Do any of you have any experience with ad-hoc networking on a Droid?
Here's what I've found so far:
It's possible to have a G1 access an ad hoc network if you "root" your phone and change ini settings to allow it. (Also assign a permanent IP address to all adhoc network members). See: http://modmygphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22681
I do not know if this works on Android 2.0. I do not know if Verizon has put something in place to block this. Does anyone have any experience in this area or have a Droid that they can test with?
Your help would be appreciated!
Additional info I've found:
"Rooting" is not yet possible on a Droid. Eliminating the fix mentioned above.
http://droidie.com/2009/11/10/can-android-tether-today-for-0-extra/#comment-121
PDANet is a program that allows USB and bluetooth tethering on all "recently released Motorola and HTC [Android] phones" kkww
For those following along, this is the most promising thread I've found on rooting the Droid.. http://www.alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=280 This link starts you around page 29, which will be near the end for a little while...
I'm really beginning to wonder if I shouldn't just stick to a touch pro2 since I have a slick setup atm and google maps will release turn by turn voice to all in due time.
The problem is that I want to play!!! and android is calling me..
Have you made any progress on getting a Droid to recognize the WMWifiRouter network? I have a Droid with the router program running on a HTC TP2...there's an app called Hidden SSID Enabler which should resolve thi problem but I haven't been able to figure out what the SSID # is for the TP2...any thoughts?
Bump. Similar situation for me. I run WMWifiRouter on my Sprint Touch Pro and use it several hours a day. I'm ready to switch to a newer phone but want to make sure I can set it up as a ad hoc wifi spot. I'm torn between the Droid and the Nexus One but doubt T-Mobile's network is robust enough for what I need so at least for now, the Droid is the front-runner (I'll believe the N1 will work on Verizon when I see it -- could be 6 months or more).
Any update? Thanks!
I contacted the support folks over at WMWifiRouter and got this reply:
Our apologies for not getting back to you sooner.
Indeed, Android devices by default cannot connect to ad-hoc networks. A rather silly restriction, as the
device is more than capable to use these networks - Google just didn't build it into the interface.
Note that an ad-hoc network and a Hidden SSID are two unrelated things.
Unfortunately, there is no way around this issue unless your device is rooted. In that case we still cannot
tell you which commands to execute to be able to connect, but we know it is possible if you have root.
Kinds regards,
WMWifiRouter Customer Support
In looking through the "rooting" thread above it seemed way too complicated for me to attempt...if anyone can post or direct me to an "idiot's guide" tutorial for rooting a Droid I'd be most appreciative.
Hey guys, rooting for the droid is here already, some info can be found here
"i cannot post outside links..."
so what happends after you root your droid?
Bump, and I've found this thread:
code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82
about the official development of this feature, and I saw, although there are tricks that works for the G1 and the older phones, it is not working for the droid or those newer ones.
Hi
I have found the solution. I am using Ubuntu 10.04 and Using superfroyo2.2 on my HTC dream. I can connect to wifi adhoc network of my PC and enjoying internet on it.
I have attached the zip file. Please extract the file to get tiwlan.ini and wpa_supplicant.conf file. Replace your mobile's file with these ones and enjoy ad-hoc wifi.
You can use below commands, with mobile connected to PC via usb to replace the files:
adb shell
# mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
# exit
> adb push tiwlan.ini /system/etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini
> adb push wpa_supplicant.conf /data/misc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf
> adb shell
# mount -o ro,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
# exit
I was using ubuntu bash and I placed both files in the tools folder of SDK. and then I ran the commands from that directory so that no path issues arise.
One more thing, You should create adhoc wireless with SSID iBM and leave it open without security key.
Hey, all apologies if it DOES work, since I havent tried it yet, but when I view the tiwlan.ini file you've included in the zip file, it still says wifiadhoc=0
the .conf file IS setup to use your SSID name if iBM like you were saying though...
so I THINK you might have included the wrong file... but hell, I've been wrong before... I screwed up my wifi messing with this, so I'm just gonna try your files anyway, since they'll probably at least set me back to where I was...
adol
OKAY, so I guess I've gotta apologize- I just tried it, and danged if your files didn't work like a charm... so, my next question is; how did they work, when wifiadhoc=0?
Am I somehow seeing the contents of the file incorrectly, or is it something along the lines of you having set up a static ip or something? I'm gonna look into it a bit, which I haven't done yet, so if either of the things I just said made no sense, just disregard them and go ahead with the explanation...
Anyways, thanks for posting those files; I was starting to get rather frustrated with my inability to get this stupid crap to work.
adol
ok a few quick questions
has any one tested this on a sprint epic
is there a 1 click install for this pack
ive got some skill but this is defiantly out of my range
thanks
installing cyanogen mod 7 should resolve your problem...
guys y to roor the phone?install cyanogen 7 etc??
i think only some expert guys(i.e who can deal the problems their on without any suggestions) can deal with such kind of thngs...insted if we creat a virtyal access point,,thats better i think..
try using mhotspot...
Wifi Connection shared as a Wifi Router...see this thread...
Indeed CM7 does solve ad hoc networking problems. I've yet to find a suitable solution on froyo, although google gave me plenty of stuff to try.
cm7 ?
I have CM7.1 running but I still cant see any ad-hoc wifi networks!
I tried replacing the tiwlan and wpa_*.conf files but that just messed up my wifi worse.
jumblies said:
Indeed CM7 does solve ad hoc networking problems. I've yet to find a suitable solution on froyo, although google gave me plenty of stuff to try.
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Hi,
Just got a shiny new Galaxy Note 10.1 last weekend. Yesterday, after receiving my case and keyboard from Amazon, I brought it in to school to start taking advantage of the S-Pen for note taking in classes that keyboards don't quite cut it in. Unfortunately, it revived an issue that I had and ignored on my HTC Rezound from last year... an issue that a WiFi device can't ignore, and unfortunately my phone's battery is not up to using CM10's tether function all day (and it might start running down my monthly data being used 5 days a week, all day).
So, any ideas what might cause this issue? The school primarily has Macs, and my Windows 8 Laptop sometimes has issues, but at least half the time it works fine. It is just Android devices that will not work. They connect, and get great signal strength, but just won't get any actual data. To my knowledge, nobody has ever gotten an Android device to connect. My Rezound is running an unofficial CM10 (4.1 JB) version, and my Note is using whatever the newest official update is (4.1 as well, I believe. Non-rooted). I don't know a whole lot about this type of stuff, but I'm not afraid to tinker around to try and get it working. I've tried a few other suggestions from numerous Google searches, but to no avail so far. The network is unprotected, and run by the school's IT people, so needless to say I have no way to easily change settings for the campus' network. I'd prefer not root the Note just yet, but if I need to, so be it. Any ideas what this might be?
Thanks
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Some more info:
I cannot ping the tablet from my laptop (I get no packet loss, but all return 'Destination Host Unreachable'.
Same result if I try pinging my laptop or the router from my tablet using Terminal Emulator.
Sometimes, if set to DHCP, the tablet will give an 'Authentication Error Occured' error (or similar, I don't recall the actual wording). Sometimes it indicates a connection, but just won't work. I've never had a problem connecting using the same info as my laptop (with the IP changed, of course), but again, no internet, no ping.
Thanks
May or may not be the problem, but from what I've noticed, school networks tend to have a lot of blocked ports. I know the main Google Sync Framework uses port 5228. Try shooting an email to a network admin in your school's IT dept, asking about that port or just in general if they're aware that Android devices are unable to connect on their network.
Coffeeist said:
Some more info:
I cannot ping the tablet from my laptop (I get no packet loss, but all return 'Destination Host Unreachable'.
Same result if I try pinging my laptop or the router from my tablet using Terminal Emulator.
Sometimes, if set to DHCP, the tablet will give an 'Authentication Error Occured' error (or similar, I don't recall the actual wording). Sometimes it indicates a connection, but just won't work. I've never had a problem connecting using the same info as my laptop (with the IP changed, of course), but again, no internet, no ping.
Thanks
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What do you mean by "same info as my laptop" what types of credentials are you referring to? Something you have to change on the laptop in order to get in? The more information regarding this you can provide (safely, mind you, mask/alter any sensitive info), the better we can assist you. If you have to do something like set a VLAN, then you're never going to get an Android device to work as we do not have the capability to use VLAN'd wireless like most PCs and Macs can with the proper configuration changes. If there's some browser catch-all page, then that should work, but based on your statement "with the IP changed" leads me to believe that you're messing with the adapter settings directly. I would be especially keen to helping you with more detailed networking issues like this should you provide me with the information requested. I look forward to your reply. (Yes, I like technical challenges like this, it's why I work VoIP support.)
IP address or no IP address
Coffeeist said:
Some more info:
I cannot ping the tablet from my laptop (I get no packet loss, but all return 'Destination Host Unreachable'.
Same result if I try pinging my laptop or the router from my tablet using Terminal Emulator.
Sometimes, if set to DHCP, the tablet will give an 'Authentication Error Occured' error (or similar, I don't recall the actual wording). Sometimes it indicates a connection, but just won't work. I've never had a problem connecting using the same info as my laptop (with the IP changed, of course), but again, no internet, no ping.
Thanks
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since you know ping, then did you check the IP address for each device?
Back to basic:
1: ping your device gateway IP
2) if ok, then ping ur device (tablet or laptop)
3) if ok then ping bbc.co.uk (this will check your dns), if failed ping your dns's IP address.
If no IP on android, then check if there is any protection on device. It sound like no IP been allocated for you.
Depends on how good a school's IT dept. I have not seen many school actually put filter to stop non-window device.
I am not sure it has anything to do with VLAN yet. As a simple logon, device does not care VLAN or no VLAN.
The basic for us is 1) get an IP on device. 2) know how to get out (gateway IP) 3) interrept hwere you go (DNS resolution) 4) know how to get to internet (internet router, internet firewall, internet boardband et...)
If you have authentication error, then it is sure you are not going to get an IP address. If this is WiFi then check on security (WEP, WAP...TKIP...)
tinbox134 said:
since you know ping, then did you check the IP address for each device?
Back to basic:
1: ping your device gateway IP
2) if ok, then ping ur device (tablet or laptop)
3) if ok then ping bbc.co.uk (this will check your dns), if failed ping your dns's IP address.
If no IP on android, then check if there is any protection on device. It sound like no IP been allocated for you.
Depends on how good a school's IT dept. I have not seen many school actually put filter to stop non-window device.
I am not sure it has anything to do with VLAN yet. As a simple logon, device does not care VLAN or no VLAN.
The basic for us is 1) get an IP on device. 2) know how to get out (gateway IP) 3) interrept hwere you go (DNS resolution) 4) know how to get to internet (internet router, internet firewall, internet boardband et...)
If you have authentication error, then it is sure you are not going to get an IP address. If this is WiFi then check on security (WEP, WAP...TKIP...)
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Hello Coffeeist,
Please contact your schools IT department and find out what kind of encryption they use on their APs.
If they use TKIP, then that is whats causing the problem with android devices.
Once TKIP is disabled on the AP you are connecting to, you will be able to reach the internet.
I say this because I had the same problem in the past (setting up Cisco APs), and can confirm that this is the cause of the problem.
TKIP shouldn't be used anyway. They should be using AES. TKIP is too weak.
I guess that last part answered another question that you might of had. (Why TKIP doesn't work with Android?) Android=Secure TKIP=WEAK.... Unacceptable for Android
Also, you mention something about not being able to ping your tablet from your laptop. If I understand this correctly, you have both your laptop and tablet connected to the same AP and you are trying to ping between the two. This wont work in most cases. Reason: "Port-Protection", which if enabled doesn't allow clients on the AP to communicate with each other.
Regards,
Ed
Let us know how it goes.
nasvi said:
Hello Coffeeist,
Please contact your schools IT department and find out what kind of encryption they use on their APs.
If they use TKIP, then that is whats causing the problem with android devices.
Once TKIP is disabled on the AP you are connecting to, you will be able to reach the internet.
I say this because I had the same problem in the past (setting up Cisco APs), and can confirm that this is the cause of the problem.
TKIP shouldn't be used anyway. They should be using AES. TKIP is too weak.
I guess that last part answered another question that you might of had. (Why TKIP doesn't work with Android?) Android=Secure TKIP=WEAK.... Unacceptable for Android
Also, you mention something about not being able to ping your tablet from your laptop. If I understand this correctly, you have both your laptop and tablet connected to the same AP and you are trying to ping between the two. This wont work in most cases. Reason: "Port-Protection", which if enabled doesn't allow clients on the AP to communicate with each other.
Regards,
Ed
Let us know how it goes.
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With useful posts above the rest is not much left for me to say but a simple advice
Make sure your friends aren't playing a prank on you coz I tend to do it I use arpspoof and aireplay-ng to cause such mayhem
Sent from my A116 using Tapatalk 2
Airplay and Arpspoof wouldn't be possible if MFP is enabled on the AP. Also the OP is stating that it is with all android devices and not 1.
Sent from my HTC One XL using xda app-developers app
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First off, thanks for all of the posts, and I apologize for taking so long to respond.
Also, I did check port 5228 with my laptop, and it seemed to indeed be closed. Haven't been able to contact IT yet, but I will need to soon to solve an issue with another, unrelated issue.
Cynagen said:
What do you mean by "same info as my laptop" what types of credentials are you referring to? Something you have to change on the laptop in order to get in? The more information regarding this you can provide (safely, mind you, mask/alter any sensitive info), the better we can assist you. If you have to do something like set a VLAN, then you're never going to get an Android device to work as we do not have the capability to use VLAN'd wireless like most PCs and Macs can with the proper configuration changes. If there's some browser catch-all page, then that should work, but based on your statement "with the IP changed" leads me to believe that you're messing with the adapter settings directly. I would be especially keen to helping you with more detailed networking issues like this should you provide me with the information requested. I look forward to your reply. (Yes, I like technical challenges like this, it's why I work VoIP support.)
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Just IP/DHCP/DNS (and I've also tried public DNS such as Google). Nothing fancy set up on the laptop (everything should be on Windows default network settings, same with Android on both devices). There is also no catch-all page, assuming I'm interpreting that correctly (as a login page sort of thing, like I'd get at Starbucks or a Hotel).
Glad to provide the challenge... truth be told, underneath the annoyance of lacking connection, I love issues like this because of the fun tricks and such that solving them can teach.
tinbox134 said:
since you know ping, then did you check the IP address for each device?
Back to basic:
1: ping your device gateway IP
2) if ok, then ping ur device (tablet or laptop)
3) if ok then ping bbc.co.uk (this will check your dns), if failed ping your dns's IP address.
If no IP on android, then check if there is any protection on device. It sound like no IP been allocated for you.
Depends on how good a school's IT dept. I have not seen many school actually put filter to stop non-window device.
I am not sure it has anything to do with VLAN yet. As a simple logon, device does not care VLAN or no VLAN.
The basic for us is 1) get an IP on device. 2) know how to get out (gateway IP) 3) interrept hwere you go (DNS resolution) 4) know how to get to internet (internet router, internet firewall, internet boardband et...)
If you have authentication error, then it is sure you are not going to get an IP address. If this is WiFi then check on security (WEP, WAP...TKIP...)
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1. If I recall, this either had full loss, or Destination Host Unreachable, when pinging the gateway IP from the tablet.
2. Have tried this nonetheless, and I think I made it through once or twice just after turning on the tablet, but after that would only get Dest. Host Unreachable.
3. Had tried with Google, fails across any DNS.
I seem to get an IP, although sometimes I get the authentication error in Android and it won't connect. Whenever I set a static IP, based off of my laptop's IP (not the same, of course), I get connected, just no internet.
nasvi said:
Hello Coffeeist,
Please contact your schools IT department and find out what kind of encryption they use on their APs.
If they use TKIP, then that is whats causing the problem with android devices.
Once TKIP is disabled on the AP you are connecting to, you will be able to reach the internet.
I say this because I had the same problem in the past (setting up Cisco APs), and can confirm that this is the cause of the problem.
TKIP shouldn't be used anyway. They should be using AES. TKIP is too weak.
I guess that last part answered another question that you might of had. (Why TKIP doesn't work with Android?) Android=Secure TKIP=WEAK.... Unacceptable for Android
Also, you mention something about not being able to ping your tablet from your laptop. If I understand this correctly, you have both your laptop and tablet connected to the same AP and you are trying to ping between the two. This wont work in most cases. Reason: "Port-Protection", which if enabled doesn't allow clients on the AP to communicate with each other.
Regards,
Ed
Let us know how it goes.
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Unless I am totally clueless about this stuff (er, moreso than I though I already was), it uses neither TKIP or AES, being an open and unsecured network.
sak-venom1997 said:
With useful posts above the rest is not much left for me to say but a simple advice
Make sure your friends aren't playing a prank on you coz I tend to do it I use arpspoof and aireplay-ng to cause such mayhem
Sent from my A116 using Tapatalk 2
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Haha, I doubt it. None of my friends, especially the ones who I think would even try and do something like this, are tech-savvy enough for me to have any suspicion of that. Thanks though
Another piece of info (a pretty weird seeming one at that): Sometimes, I'll turn on my tablet in the middle of the day, and out of the blue there is an email notification there, for recent emails. Of course, if I go into browser, I can't get any pages. Can't think of any other networks that the device could/would connect to on campus, either.
Thanks!
Coffeeist said:
First off, thanks for all of the posts, and I apologize for taking so long to respond.
Also, I did check port 5228 with my laptop, and it seemed to indeed be closed. Haven't been able to contact IT yet, but I will need to soon to solve an issue with another, unrelated issue.
Just IP/DHCP/DNS (and I've also tried public DNS such as Google). Nothing fancy set up on the laptop (everything should be on Windows default network settings, same with Android on both devices). There is also no catch-all page, assuming I'm interpreting that correctly (as a login page sort of thing, like I'd get at Starbucks or a Hotel).
Glad to provide the challenge... truth be told, underneath the annoyance of lacking connection, I love issues like this because of the fun tricks and such that solving them can teach.
1. If I recall, this either had full loss, or Destination Host Unreachable, when pinging the gateway IP from the tablet.
2. Have tried this nonetheless, and I think I made it through once or twice just after turning on the tablet, but after that would only get Dest. Host Unreachable.
3. Had tried with Google, fails across any DNS.
I seem to get an IP, although sometimes I get the authentication error in Android and it won't connect. Whenever I set a static IP, based off of my laptop's IP (not the same, of course), I get connected, just no internet.
Unless I am totally clueless about this stuff (er, moreso than I though I already was), it uses neither TKIP or AES, being an open and unsecured network.
Haha, I doubt it. None of my friends, especially the ones who I think would even try and do something like this, are tech-savvy enough for me to have any suspicion of that. Thanks though
Another piece of info (a pretty weird seeming one at that): Sometimes, I'll turn on my tablet in the middle of the day, and out of the blue there is an email notification there, for recent emails. Of course, if I go into browser, I can't get any pages. Can't think of any other networks that the device could/would connect to on campus, either.
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Based on your responses, I have a follow up question and comment. The question is as follows: Did you have to register your computer with your IT when you started school in order to be permitted on the wireless network? If this was the case they're likely filtering based on MAC address (which you won't be able to spoof on your Android, but you may be able to spoof on your laptop), get them to re-register your laptop after you spoof the MAC address so you can get both devices on using the same MAC address (though not at the same time of course unless you're fine with stuff randomly not working). The comment is as follows: Yeah, finding the workarounds to get back limitations like this is definitely a fun challenge because when you win, you've definitely learned something new. Oh, and you were right about my question of the gateway authentication page like a hotel wifi login page.
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Cynagen said:
Based on your responses, I have a follow up question and comment. The question is as follows: Did you have to register your computer with your IT when you started school in order to be permitted on the wireless network? If this was the case they're likely filtering based on MAC address (which you won't be able to spoof on your Android, but you may be able to spoof on your laptop), get them to re-register it after you spoof the MAC address so you can get both devices on using the same MAC address (though not at the same time of course). The comment is as follows: Yeah, finding the workarounds to get back limitations like this is definitely a fun challenge because when you win, you've definitely learned something new.
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Nope, it was up and running just through connecting normally, and has been since (mostly) - no registration or anything like that. Now, the reason that I put 'mostly' in parentheses is that sometimes the computer will be connected, but also have no internet (I don't think this started until I, dare I admit, upgraded to Windows 8). However, this only happens sometimes, whereas the Android devices never get internet access.
However, on the topic of MAC addresses, one post (in fact, I think it was on XDA) I saw awhile back while Google searching this problem was that someone had a similar issue, found to be with their device's MAC address having the letters 'FA' instead of 'FB' or something like that. Being that my Note isn't rooted, I haven't tested it with that, but perhaps I should give that a try with my CM10 Rezound?
(This is the post: HERE)
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Nope, it was up and running just through connecting normally, and has been since (mostly) - no registration or anything like that. Now, the reason that I put 'mostly' in parentheses is that sometimes the computer will be connected, but also have no internet (I don't think this started until I, dare I admit, upgraded to Windows 8). However, this only happens sometimes, whereas the Android devices never get internet access.
However, on the topic of MAC addresses, one post (in fact, I think it was on XDA) I saw awhile back while Google searching this problem was that someone had a similar issue, found to be with their device's MAC address having the letters 'FA' instead of 'FB' or something like that. Being that my Note isn't rooted, I haven't tested it with that, but perhaps I should give that a try with my CM10 Rezound?
(This is the post: HERE)
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That shouldn't be it unless they have corporate level routers that don't recognize the MAC address of any devices manufactured after 2009 (when most of these manufacturers got the MAC addresses assigned to them (this is VERY unlikely)). I would honestly work with IT on campus and advise that it appears not a single Android device is allowed on the network. If they're blocking Android for any reason, check the terms of service for using the WiFi and see if there's any provisions for banning an entire brand of device/OS for whatever reason. If there's only provisions for individual banning, then take it back to them and show them that your record has not been abusive in the least and go from there. Make a case, otherwise draw one up with legal council. *shrugs* I don't believe anyone should ever be punished for the type of device they chose to purchase, that's first amendment choice, but it really comes down to their terms of service which you agree to by using the wifi.
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That shouldn't be it unless they have corporate level routers that don't recognize the MAC address of any devices manufactured after 2009 (when most of these manufacturers got the MAC addresses assigned to them (this is VERY unlikely)). I would honestly work with IT on campus and advise that it appears not a single Android device is allowed on the network. If they're blocking Android for any reason, check the terms of service for using the WiFi and see if there's any provisions for banning an entire brand of device/OS for whatever reason. If there's only provisions for individual banning, then take it back to them and show them that your record has not been abusive in the least and go from there. Make a case, otherwise draw one up with legal council. *shrugs* I don't believe anyone should ever be punished for the type of device they chose to purchase, that's first amendment choice, but it really comes down to their terms of service which you agree to by using the wifi.
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I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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Sorry to bump the thread, but seeing as it's my own I figured it would be alright...
I got around to asking the the school IT about the issue, and they said that the deliberately block mobile traffic, which they went on to find out does include Android tablets (I understand phones, but I can't even begin to understand why they target Android tablets... unfortunately, that's not my call). I Google searched a bit, and found that networking devices from a company called Aruba can be set to block traffic from specific types of devices (supposedly Cisco and a few other companies can do similar things too), by checking something with the HTML version, or something like that (I'm by no means a networking expert hehe).
So, I guess I'll make my last effort with this thing, and ask if anyone knows of some legal, non-hacky way of getting by this?
I'm guessing not, but worth asking.
Thanks
Coffeeist said:
Sorry to bump the thread, but seeing as it's my own I figured it would be alright...
I got around to asking the the school IT about the issue, and they said that the deliberately block mobile traffic, which they went on to find out does include Android tablets (I understand phones, but I can't even begin to understand why they target Android tablets... unfortunately, that's not my call). I Google searched a bit, and found that networking devices from a company called Aruba can be set to block traffic from specific types of devices (supposedly Cisco and a few other companies can do similar things too), by checking something with the HTML version, or something like that (I'm by no means a networking expert hehe).
So, I guess I'll make my last effort with this thing, and ask if anyone knows of some legal, non-hacky way of getting by this?
I'm guessing not, but worth asking.
Thanks
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Before discussing any workarounds, you may need to review the Terms of Service for your wifi on the school premises first, review the consequences for bypassing their security measures, and figure if it's worth the risk to you... At this time, it'll be kind of "hacky" to get around such a block. In order to provide you with a valid workaround though we'll need a little bit of information regarding what's going on when you connect.
First, when you connect to the WiFi with your Android device, do you even receive an IP address? If you don't then we'll stop here, the only way to get around the types of blocks they're employing at this level would require hardware hacking/firmware reprogramming to change the identity of the device itself, which is flat out illegal in just about anywhere I can think of. Here's your checklist, fill out where applicable: (Even if you set static information to accomplish this, that will be a valid Y.)
Get an IP? (If Y, proceed)
Is it a valid IP address on the same network as your PC? (Either way, don't care)
Can you ping the gateway you got from DHCP on Android? (If Y, proceed)
Can you ping the DNS server(s) you got from DHCP on Android? (If Y, proceed)
Can you ping an external server such as Google DNS (8.8.8.8) on Android? (If Y, then we're done here)
It's kind of a bit of a process unfortunately, however, if you pass every single one of these tests with the Android device, there's good news. They're only filtering traffic based on the User-Agent identification of all your applications (and based on the MAC address of your device, denying your DHCP requests), you should be able to bypass this with a VPN tunnel back to your home from your Android (after setting your static IP) in order to encrypt and keep this information from leaking to their systems. However, this will likely set off alarms if they monitor their network heavily. If the school IT asks, then you're "working on projects in-between classes on your computer at home and your family has a home office with VPN already, so you used that to connect back to the house". Either way, they can't say much about it besides cut you off... again. Anywhos, I wouldn't recommend trying to bypass without doing all this research first, and then also evaluating the possible consequences, however the rewards are within themselves. You'll be the only person at school with a working mobile device, (besides those iSuckers). Technically, encrypting your traffic is completely legal (and they can't say anything legally about it), however, setting a static IP address in the same range as your computer at school may be against their TOS which you abide by being on campus. Let us know how everything goes.
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Get an IP? (If Y, proceed)
Is it a valid IP address on the same network as your PC? (Either way, don't care)
Can you ping the gateway you got from DHCP on Android? (If Y, proceed)
Can you ping the DNS server(s) you got from DHCP on Android? (If Y, proceed)
Can you ping an external server such as Google DNS (8.8.8.8) on Android? (If Y, then we're done here)
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With Static I set an IP and all other info (Gateway, DNS, etc, except for Network Prefix Length... no clue what that is, left it at 24 default), and could not ping gateway
Dynamic/DHCP I will have to check tomorrow, after downloading stuff for the tablet to get that info (I think I need root to use IfConfig with Terminal Emulator, correct?).
Whatever they use to block me out, it seems to have a slight hole built in... every day, multiple times a day, I will look down at my tablet and see notifications (mainly email, occasionally Facebook, etc) that pushed through on the schools network (I know that for sure, being that often times the emails are messages received during the day, in a time period where the tablet has been nowhere near any other networks). Maybe this hole can be breached?
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With Static I set an IP and all other info (Gateway, DNS, etc, except for Network Prefix Length... no clue what that is, left it at 24 default), and could not ping gateway
Dynamic/DHCP I will have to check tomorrow, after downloading stuff for the tablet to get that info (I think I need root to use IfConfig with Terminal Emulator, correct?).
Whatever they use to block me out, it seems to have a slight hole built in... every day, multiple times a day, I will look down at my tablet and see notifications (mainly email, occasionally Facebook, etc) that pushed through on the schools network (I know that for sure, being that often times the emails are messages received during the day, in a time period where the tablet has been nowhere near any other networks). Maybe this hole can be breached?
Thanks!
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It seems like small gaps where the system doesn't block you long enough to receive some traffic, but that is promising. BTW, you can get your "network prefix" (netmask as we call it) from your computer. If you go into the command prompt on windows and run "ipconfig /all" you'll get 4 useful bits of info we need, IP address (so you can mimic it), the gateway, the subnet mask (usually 255.255.something.something) and the DNS servers. The subnet mask determines what you use, and I HIGHLY doubt they use 24 (that's mainly for home networks, 24 = 254 devices permitted on the DHCP, 16 = 65534 devices (this is WAY more likely)).
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It seems like small gaps where the system doesn't block you long enough to receive some traffic, but that is promising. BTW, you can get your "network prefix" (netmask as we call it) from your computer. If you go into the command prompt on windows and run "ipconfig /all" you'll get 4 useful bits of info we need, IP address (so you can mimic it), the gateway, the subnet mask (usually 255.255.something.something) and the DNS servers. The subnet mask determines what you use, and I HIGHLY doubt they use 24 (that's mainly for home networks, 24 = 254 devices permitted on the DHCP, 16 = 65534 devices (this is WAY more likely)).
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Well, I just had a clean connection for about 5 minutes, and had a normal-looking IP based on my PC. Using Terminal Emulator I pinged the gateway after my connection failed, still with no response. I still appeared to have a proper IP on my tablet, but no actual internet connection.
So, perhaps these small windows are something to pursue? Or perhaps sticking with the VPN plan is best?
Thanks!
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Well, I just had a clean connection for about 5 minutes, and had a normal-looking IP based on my PC. Using Terminal Emulator I pinged the gateway after my connection failed, still with no response. I still appeared to have a proper IP on my tablet, but no actual internet connection.
So, perhaps these small windows are something to pursue? Or perhaps sticking with the VPN plan is best?
Thanks!
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You need to make sure your networking information is entered correctly, you still haven't said anything about the netmask in this situation. However, if you're entering this information in correctly then you should have a solid connection until they realize you've forced a device into the network. The only thing you can do beyond that point is during that window, open a VPN connection without using a single browser request so they don't know what the device is unless they check the MAC address. Either way, this is a window that can be used, you just need to avoid identifying your device in any way prior to initiating the VPN connection. Turn off Sync when you connect.
Hi, I'm starting this thread having searched for solutions in other threads and not having found it.
As background, I'm running Pie 9.0 with the August patch update. I got the phone in March and when I saw the pop-up for the update, I installed it, without doing any background checks (not my usual MO) - which is not to say my hot spot was working and then stopped, I just hadn't used it before then. My previous cell was the trusty Samsung S3 in its various flavours - mainly for the small form factor and frankly it was enough phone for me.
Anyway it seems that the PH1 "hot spot" works fine as a *repeater* when I'm connected to wifi but as soon as I turn off my wifi or am out of reach of a wifi and want my hot spot to connect to my mobile data, there's no internet connection to any device connected to my hot spot, even though both my PH1 and the device(s) show as "connected" to each other. internet on my PH1 works just fine in these instances.
What's the secret handshake to make this work?
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Hi, I'm starting this thread having searched for solutions in other threads and not having found it.
As background, I'm running Pie 9.0 with the August patch update. I got the phone in March and when I saw the pop-up for the update, I installed it, without doing any background checks (not my usual MO) - which is not to say my hot spot was working and then stopped, I just hadn't used it before then. My previous cell was the trusty Samsung S3 in its various flavours - mainly for the small form factor and frankly it was enough phone for me.
Anyway it seems that the PH1 "hot spot" works fine as a *repeater* when I'm connected to wifi but as soon as I turn off my wifi or am out of reach of a wifi and want my hot spot to connect to my mobile data, there's no internet connection to any device connected to my hot spot, even though both my PH1 and the device(s) show as "connected" to each other. internet on my PH1 works just fine in these instances.
What's the secret handshake to make this work?
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I don't have any trouble on TMO, but two thoughts for you.
Try adding "net.tethering.noprovisioning=true" to the build.prop file. You need root for this.
Maybe lengthen the TTL (time to live) on the connecting device. Google for your device/OS how to do this.
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I don't have any trouble on TMO, but two thoughts for you.
Try adding "net.tethering.noprovisioning=true" to the build.prop file. You need root for this.
Maybe lengthen the TTL (time to live) on the connecting device. Google for your device/OS how to do this.
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Hmm... so root my phone...
Haven't rooted anything yet... so this is new territory for me.
Don't think it's the TTL, since it's the same with *any* device connected to my phone...
Thanks,
Taz
Mine doesn't work when bluetooth is turned on, for some reason. You could try turning BT off, and see if that helps
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Mine doesn't work when bluetooth is turned on, for some reason. You could try turning BT off, and see if that helps
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Well, I turned bluetooth off and when I try to connect to google.com with Chrome, my iPad says "This site can't be reached". When I switch to another wifi source, Goolge is found!
So... what's the culprit in my PH1??
TIA...
Do you have tethering support on your cell plan?
It is of course always possible some other app is interfering. VPN, ad blocker, ect. But honestly, in all likelihood you need to bypass the tethering check as I described earlier.
If that step doesn't work by itself, in a terminal app with a root prompt enter the command:
settings put global tether_dun_required 0
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Do you have tethering support on your cell plan?
It is of course always possible some other app is interfering. VPN, ad blocker, ect. But honestly, in all likelihood you need to bypass the tethering check as I described earlier.
If that step doesn't work by itself, in a terminal app with a root prompt enter the command:
settings put global tether_dun_required 0
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Thanks ktmom, I guess I'm surprised that yours (and others'?) work without this mod and I'm needing to root mine? I have no other apps such as the ones you mention on my phone so I'm really confused why this simple connection isn't working on my phone.
Taz
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Thanks ktmom, I guess I'm surprised that yours (and others'?) work without this mod and I'm needing to root mine? I have no other apps such as the ones you mention on my phone so I'm really confused why this simple connection isn't working on my phone.
Taz
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But you didn't answer this question... Do you have tethering support on your cell plan?