IT is bettery to wait unlit the phone is fully discharged or for example If I have 50% battery And I want to charge it another 30 % is there a problem.
(I want to know if after a long period of daily using this metod is bad for my battery)
Thx
With modern batteries it doesn't matter. Older batteries could be temperamental, but any advice about charging x number of times, or completely discharging is simply no longer relevant.
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its even healthier to randomly charge your battery. it doesnt have to be fully charged and not fully drained. theres no memory effect on modern batteries, just charge & unplug it whenever you like
Thx for your help really apreciate
With lithium batteries top up charges are better than drain and full charge.
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When the battery is around 80-90% full, and your just not using it, do you just stick it in the craddle or the charger so its always fully charged whenever you need it, or do you let it completely die then charge it?
li-ion batt's dont require you to use it all up
so there is no point when the batt dont have "memory"
like the old nicalm batts
so people who charge it when its like 80% and leave it in the charger even when its 100% for hours so it doesnt drain, is that bad? will it discharge the battery eventually?
no it charge to 100% and then start to use the batt untill it reach a surden level and then start to charge to 100% again and repeate!
you cant really hurt a li-on batt unless you use water a hammer or give it much more then the volts then it's made for
What happens if I leave my battery charging over night and I don't unplug the charger once my phone pops up the message telling me to do so. Will my battery overcharge and fail? Or its out safe to leave it plugged on once charging is done?
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What happens if I leave my battery charging over night and I don't unplug the charger once my phone pops up the message telling me to do so. Will my battery overcharge and fail? Or its out safe to leave it plugged on once charging is done?
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Your phone will be fine, there are fail safes in place to prevent over charge (and fire/explosion). Its just a "convenient" notification to let you know the phone is done charging.
On a separate but related issue, I don't suggest leaving it charge more than 10 hours at a time, since the battery keeps topping off the charge, and in my experience this degrades batteries a bit faster.
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Your battery will be fine. Just don't do it every night and you will be good.
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Your phone will be fine, there are fail safes in place to prevent over charge (and fire/explosion). Its just a "convenient" notification to let you know the phone is done charging.
On a separate but related issue, I don't suggest leaving it charge more than 10 hours at a time, since the battery keeps topping off the charge, and in my experience this degrades batteries a bit faster.
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this.
Constant topping up will shorten the battery life. Not something to be annal about but don't do it too often. It also does not mean you have to fully drain your battery before charging, nor that you have to set an alarm so you take it off charge as soon as it read full.
Wait, so I should not charge my phone en route from work to home? About a 30 minute drive... not enough to fully charge the phone, just enough so it doesn't die before I go to bed.
I thought batteries did not have "memory" and that you could charge them however.... is there a good source to read?
Constant topping up will shorten battery life?
Care to back up that statement with some sources?
Heat kills Lithium based batteries.
A quick rate of charge or discharge creates heat.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
(From the article)
The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible.
should be balanced with this (from the article as well)
batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem.
My recommendation is to keep the battery as full as possible at all times and do a full calibration cycle once a month. Done.
If you want the battery to last longer stretch the calibration to once every two months... However the phone will be obsolete before noticeable shortening of the battery life from doing 30 day calibrations. PLUS THE BATTERY IS REPLACEABLE ANYWAY. So, honestly, who cares?
mystycs said:
What happens if I leave my battery charging over night and I don't unplug the charger once my phone pops up the message telling me to do so. Will my battery overcharge and fail? Or its out safe to leave it plugged on once charging is done?
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If your battery overcharges and fails, your battery is a danger to you and everyone around you anyway; no matter what charging methods you use. A properly working lithium ion battery cannot be overcharged.
I suggest reading up on how float charging works.
I plugged the phone and go to bed everynight
Emama said:
I plugged the phone and go to bed everynight
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This is normally what I do, so it charges 5-7 hours a day, I don't normally kill it during the day, but it does get pretty low
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This is normally what I do, so it charges 5-7 hours a day, I don't normally kill it during the day, but it does get pretty low
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So u mean plugged in overnight may kill the battery faster?
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So u mean plugged in overnight may kill the battery faster?
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of course. if you always do it.
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My phone is samsung j7 prime ....
Yesterday i charge the divise over night ...
Does it will effect my battery?
At the office I leave my phone in a cradle. When I get calls I remove the phone to answer and then return it to the cradle when done. My battery goes from 100% down to somewhere in the 90's then charges back to 100% in the cradle. Does this repeated process harm the battery in any way? I've read that these batteries don't suffer from the memory effect, but I'm still not sure if this counts as a charging cycle.
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You should always let the battery run down completely some times maybe once a week.
Really? I've read on this forum that there is no need to do that with the new Lithium Ion batteries. I've even read that this could have a negative effect and you should try not to let the battery drain completly.
I don't understand why there isn't a proper battery care section in the manual. Its as if its some kind of voodoo science.
Perhaps not Once a week. But Once a "while"
The reason is that, Phone software uses approximation to calculate the charge left in the Battery. So over time, battery ages and software may not be calibrated to match with the battery's storage capacity. So draining the battery entirely and charging them fully gives the phone's software to assess the battery's health and recalibrate.
It's a lithium battery mate. The only way you can really damage it is by a complete discharge. So long as you don't switch the phone back on once it switches itself off due to low battery you needn't worry about anything else.
Also in theory the lithium batteries have a lifespan of say about a 1000 charges for example and everytime you charge it has one charging less left. This ofcourse isn't exactly how it is in practice but charging the battery alot wears it down. It isn't good either to keep it in the charger for a longer time after it's reached a 100%.
Hi,
this is only partly correct:
Suppose the battery can make 1000 (which I don't believe) charge cycles,
it means that you can charge 1000 times from empty to full.
If you just charge 1000 times from 50% empty to full it counts for 500 cycles!
So,
don't worry, let it stay in the cradle if you like
There are 500 opinions about that but believe, as I wrote is correct.
Theo
Yes, what I said wasn't exact science and I used 1000 cycles as an example, but from what I've read it is better to let the battery drain to less than 50% and then charge it full rather than charge 5% at a time. My previous post was meant to illustrate this.
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You should always let the battery run down completely some times maybe once a week.
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That's a load of crap, no offense... Lithium batteries have no memory effect and have absolutely no need to be completely discharged, that's a ancient thing from the time of nickel-metal hybrid batteries. The only actual reason for full charge cycles is to calibrate the device for that exact battery.
Keeping a lithium-ion battery in a charger most of the time will wear the battery down faster than getting it drain more and then charging it. Keeping the battery almost fully loaded/in a constant loading state wears the battery capacity by approximately 20% a year (can't recall the source/study just now)(EDIT: and my personal experience is that the battery capacity will wear that much anyway, no matter how you use it). The life-cycle of phones these days are roughly two years nowadays so IMO you can keep it in a cradle with no worries, if you wish. And lets face it, a new battery after a year of usage won't be that big an investment after all.
To add to the above post, running down a lithium battery completely does more damage than benefit. This is almost impossible though with normal use as the phone shuts down long before the battery is completely empty
Hi all im about to pick up a n7 and join the club ..
But i'd like to know the first time charging pattern ? If i remember right i have to fully discharge to 0% and then overnight charge ?
Oh and while were at it how long one full charge takes ?
Thanks.
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With the new lipo batteries you should AVOID full discharges. Instead, charge the device to 100% before using, discharge to about 5%, turn off, then charge to full while off. That should condition and calibrate the battery effectively.
Also, a charge takes roughly three hours to full for me.
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Manufacture doesn't recommend full discharge, they just recommend a full charge before it is completely discharged. What I did was discharged through use to about 30% (out of box it was 55%) then did a full charge.
As far as how long it takes charge, it really does depend on your power. Every house and every location get its power differently really. It also depends if you are using the stock provided charger as you're supposed to, if you're using usb from the computer, whether you are going through a power converter/ u p s or even if you are using a non standard power output to usb. On know my full charge was about 2.5 hrs from the 30 percent to 100 percent, using the stock charger to outlet through uninterruptible power supply which has a built in power converter/balancer because my electricity is crap ( unincorporated area, old house, old wiring ).
Really though you don't have to worry too much about lithium ion batteries. You really don't want to give it a complete discharge, based on the existing evidence. Apparently this causes a relatively significant shock to the actual chemicals the power the battery. However many people say you do not want to completely charge the battery either, but most battery service management programs, the actual firmware that keeps the batteries going, will stop a charge at 99 percent tell you it is 100 percent and no longer charge above that for this specific reason.
if you look around to the community, many people recommend that you fully discharge battery, after using a program like battery calibration https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration and then charge fully to 100 percent anytime you change ROM so the same could be said with a brand new stock unit. Also let's be honest, your device is going to last 2 maybe 3 years. How much damage can you really do but discharging in a few times in the time? also the batteries aren't all that expensive so even if it does significant damage it is still repairable?
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Thanks guys and to be specific for the charging time part i will be using stock charger and not usb so just a quick recap charge to 100% discharge to 5% and recharge to full ?
And if it takes me 4 hours id be satisfied because my sensation that has 1900mah takes about that much time and the n7 is more then double of it ..
Can't wait to pickup this beast hope ill get a perfect unit
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shahkam said:
Thanks guys and to be specific for the charging time part i will be using stock charger and not usb so just a quick recap charge to 100% discharge to 5% and recharge to full ?
And if it takes me 4 hours id be satisfied because my sensation that has 1900mah takes about that much time and the n7 is more then double of it ..
Can't wait to pickup this beast hope ill get a perfect unit
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Use it to 5 percent charge, then recharge to 100 percent
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Just reiceved my N7 today. It only had about 5% charge. I've had it on the charger for 5 hours and its only at 75%. This doesn't seem normal.
Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
You should be able to charge as long as you want w no problems as long as you're doing this in a cool or room-temp environment (rather than say leaving it alone in a car charging at high noon w AC off, windows down & no sun shades on the windshield). If you have your phone charging in hi-temp conditions too long\often your battery swells & you get gradual irreparable damage.
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Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
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If u make a correct use of your battery it won't get damaged. Extreme overclock, overvolt, etc can ruin your battery, but if u charge it every day because ur battery is empty it's ok, and u won't have any problem.
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If u make a correct use of your battery it won't get damaged. Extreme overclock, overvolt, etc can ruin your battery, but if u charge it every day because ur battery is empty it's ok, and u won't have any problem.
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what if I charge it eventhough the battery isnt empty?
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what if I charge it eventhough the battery isnt empty?
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You should be fine. Just look out for power surges!
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You should be fine. Just look out for power surges!
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thanks man =) thanks to the both of you who replied
Normally, when your phone reaches 100 % full battery level, it stops charging and starts discharging. At around 95 % level, it starts charging again. This all takes a toll on the battery, especially over a long period.
If your phone's battery is at or above 50%, leave it alone or turn it off for the night.
I have an external battery pack for use during the day time, just for situations like this.
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Been thinking of asking this for some time. Thanks OP for posting and big thanks to those who replied.
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Normally, when your phone reaches 100 % full battery level, it stops charging and starts discharging. At around 95 % level, it starts charging again. This all takes a toll on the battery, especially over a long period.
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I don't think that's correct. It should switch to a trickle charge, which won't harm the battery, not stop charging completely.
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What I spend a lot of time charging the phone through USB? I leave it on charge at work plugged into the computer through USB as there are no free plug sockets. My battery just seems to be getting worse and worse over the last couple of months... Could this be the problem?
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Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
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It'll automatically stop charging itself when it's full, it's impossible to overcharge a modern cell phone battery these days. They are a bit more computerized than the old nicad batteries from back in the day. It's actually healthier to give lithium batteries partial charges at a time instead of draining to zero percent and charging to 100 percent.
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What I spend a lot of time charging the phone through USB? I leave it on charge at work plugged into the computer through USB as there are no free plug sockets. My battery just seems to be getting worse and worse over the last couple of months... Could this be the problem?
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I doubt it. Could be a faulty battery, but more likely to be apps draining it in the background. Install BetterBatteryStats and see what is using the battery.
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i'm using app called full battery & theft alarm. i always charge my phone during sleep, and this app will wake me up to disconnect the charger if the battery is full.
i hope this will prolong the battery life
How do you know your battery is getting worse if it's always charging?
My personal experience is the less you charge it, the better it will perform. However, when you DO charge it, make sure you are less than 30% battery and charge it to 100% before removing it.
For me it's easy, I basically charge my phone at night when I go to bed and that's it. I easily get through an entire day on this phone, though I admit I usually only have about 2-1/2 hours screen on time (I mostly use my tablet when I am at home)