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To un-root or not to un-root

I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?

Why not wait for roms from the 2.1 update..so u dont have to unroot.
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subrm1 said:
I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?
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The official release is going to unroot your phone and it will not matter whether you are rooted or not.
Also, if you decide to run the official RUU you may not be able to gain root access again. Most likely a method will be found, but there are no guarantees.
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.

Also, the process is not automagic. The update will have to be downloaded on your PC or you will have to go to a Sprint Store/Bestbuy to have them do the update for you.
Don't worry about the message you get saying an update is available. It's won't install it self.
But +1 for waiting 24 hours for a dev rom.

danknee said:
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.
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Um don't u mean probably within two or three hours after official update is out. U know the rom devs will not wait a whole day. Lol

Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?

subrm1 said:
Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?
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Rom Manager only works if you have flashed ClockWork recovery.
Most our devs just do AmonRa updates.
asroot2 is what we all used (for sprint users at least...)(or some variation in the implementation of it)
Pretty much asroot2 allows root access until you flash a rom that has su installed in to the /bin directory. After you have flashed a rom, asroot2 is useless and actually probably removed, never really paid attention.
No appoligies needed for your questions as they have merrit. But searching the forum for "unroot for 2.1 update" would yeild most of these answers.

So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.

Look for cb.cp-v69 it is the fastest, most stablest Rom everest. Est. ;p

subrm1 said:
So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.
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Each of the ROMs will have their own distinct look and their own advantages. I would take a day or so to lurk around the Hero CDMA Android Development
forum and read through some of the [ROM] threads and read the changelogs, and what the forum members have to say about it. You will benefit from using any of the given ROMs, but you may find that you like a certain look, or feature that only one of them provides. I'm a flipzmode fan myself, so I run a few variations of fresh ROMs and ROMs based of of flipzmode's work. All of the ROMs that I have tried from each of the ROM devs have been awesome.

Root or wait for Android 2.2?

Hey guys, I'm new to the Android community and I'm completely in love with it now that I had the phone for several weeks. Like every other phone I get, I'm always eager to customize it in all the ways possible.
So here is my question, rooting seems simple enough with the great guides you guys have here. However, I've heard that Android 2.2 is right around the corner with new great features. I read that if you upgrade your firmware, it will un-root your phone back to stock.
I'm already hungry to try the new features that a rooted phone can do but I'm thinking that this update is worth waiting for since this phone is new anyways.
Any opinions?

Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.

Were would I find the rooted roms?

DynamicXL said:
Were would I find the rooted roms?
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In the development section.

Its a file you can find . Its not a rom. Your phone will still get the ota even after you root it. Can't say the same for custom roms
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Cool, thanks for the quick responds guys.
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Absolutely ROOT. I have some things to do once rooted in the sticky, please let me know if you have suggestions.

Rooting have nothing to do with ota update but flashing a customer rom will.
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I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.

nick_karstedt said:
Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.
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i second this

Yeah, I think I'm going to root my phone soon. Thanks for the help!

Fuse8499 said:
I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.
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Not sure how rooting your phone is going to solve your battery issues? All that rooting does is give you root (superuser) permissions on your phone. You can do this to remove the bloatware that came preinstalled on the phone, run various apps that require root. But I can't think of any way that it's going to allow you to save battery life that you couldn't already do non-rooted.
My only reason to root was for wifi-tethering...

I know the newer version of Facebook is a battery eater. I switched back to the older style and my phone is happy again.
Root is great.
1. Remove bloat apps
2. Remove the annoying T-mobile jingle
3. Root Explorer is fun to play with
I think thats all I've really done so far. Well I should that I've wanted to really do so far.

Rooting isn't working for me otherwise I would have to agree :-(

^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?

I pretty much had the same question. But after a little reading just now I actually understand what rooting is. Helps that I'm familiar with linux! Attempting to root in 5 4 3...
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So if you don't have a data plan you can't get the ota update? You must root? Mine is on AT&T with no data plan right now.

Isn't there much more to rooting then apps and root control? I've seen all the custome ROMs people get to customize the phone and theme just about everything.
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s15274n said:
^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?
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No I just Have a file named update.zip. I have tried two different methods twice now and once I'm in recovery and go to flash the zip it says it isn't there. I don't know what it is I'm doing wrong.
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So I rooted my phone earlier today. It was unbelievably easy to get the whole set up going.
Haven't had much time to fool around with it yet except for several apps that require root access, mainly to flash and back up my data in case of an oops.
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confused about rooting

I really would like the ability to completely backup my Evo, wipe batt stats, clear caches, wifi tether, and some other things but I DONT WANT A CUSTOM ROM.
i am perfectly happy with stock sprint rom.
everywere i read about rooting the way the tutorials are worded they make it sound like you have to use a custom rom...
id like to use unrEVOked.
could someone help me out, thanks...

I used unrEVOked Forever and rooted my phone. It was easy and quick. It rooted it and kept the stock rom. I used it for like 2 weeks then decided I would try Warm. If you use unrEVOked, it should keep the stock rom and be rooted. After that, it's your choice to swap roms. I like Warm because it has the stock Sprint hotspot enabled.

parker81 said:
I really would like the ability to completely backup my Evo, wipe batt stats, clear caches, wifi tether, and some other things but I DONT WANT A CUSTOM ROM.
i am perfectly happy with stock sprint rom.
everywere i read about rooting the way the tutorials are worded they make it sound like you have to use a custom rom...
id like to use unrEVOked.
could someone help me out, thanks...
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You can do all of that and still use a stock ROM.

You don't have to use a custom rom unrevoked installs a stock rooted and you can still update it ota but you loose root if you do custom roms sometimes add some tweaks and functionality that you don't get from stock so they are worth looking at.
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m4rk0358 said:
You can do all of that and still use a stock ROM.
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thanks guys for the super fast replies...
i can just use unrEVOked3 right?
it sounds like unrEVOked forever is geared more towards someone want to use custom roms...
i also found this tut..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWm8262iMU&annotation_id=annotation_81633&feature=iv

Use unrevoked forever after unrevoked 3 so you have nand unlocked to do the full backups the other reason is you can get root back slot easier after update
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firestetz said:
Use unrevoked forever after unrevoked 3 so you have nand unlocked to do the full backups the other reason is you can get root back slot easier after update
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i have to use both?

No. Unrevoked3 unlocks nand. I only used that and I've flashed several custom ROMs.
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TheMagicalSock said:
No. Unrevoked3 unlocks nand. I only used that and I've flashed several custom ROMs.
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Your right it does but if you read on just about any forum here it's not a full unlock but by using unrevoked forever you get s-off or security-off which when you're talking about stock rooted lets you upgrade and root without waiting for someone else to produce a stock rooted update rom.
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New to android, have a couple of quick ROM related questions.

I'm new to the Android experience and I'm loving it so far. But I wanted to ask about ROM's. I understand they're a modified version of the android OS (no?). What I wanted to is that if you needed an external storage to install a ROM on your phone. If so whats the minimum size? Also does adeo work with 4.1.57? or are we still waiting for a developer to release an update?
Thanks for any sort of help you can can give me =)

you do not need any extra space, it replaces the existing software/build.
However, the likelyhood that you will see any true ROMs for this phone are close to zero. The real thing to realize is that you really don't need them. Unless you like modding your phone for fun, or overclocking, or whatever it isn't needed. You can mod a lot of stuff with just root, and honestly most of the stuff people want, can be done without whole new ROMs.
as far as adeo, no idea, check the thread on it. Never touched it myself.

I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.

xecure said:
I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.
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Why do people think that? You do NOT need Adeo for Gingerblur. How did your get that idea????
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xecure said:
I'm new to the Android experience and I'm loving it so far. But I wanted to ask about ROM's. I understand they're a modified version of the android OS (no?). What I wanted to is that if you needed an external storage to install a ROM on your phone. If so whats the minimum size? Also does adeo work with 4.1.57? or are we still waiting for a developer to release an update?
Thanks for any sort of help you can can give me =)
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Adeo and gingerblur do not work on 1.57 there is a way to deodex 1.57 and I think they're working on or already have the recovery/reboot options available for 1.57 also I believe Ken is working on gingerblur to work on 1.57 as far as ROMs with the CWM there might be ROM development in the near future using the current kernel
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drock212 said:
Adeo and gingerblur do not work on 1.57 there is a way to deodex 1.57 and I think they're working on or already have the recovery/reboot options available for 1.57 also I believe Ken is working on gingerblur to work on 1.57 as far as ROMs with the CWM there might be ROM development in the near future using the current kernel
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Thanks, I'll be waiting for 1.57's version of ginger blur

xecure said:
I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.
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GingerBlur 1.1 works on 1.5.7. However, you need the bootstrap recovery apk from the Android Dev section. The Gingerblur installer auto-deodexes your phone. However, you need an SD card to put GingerBlur on
This phone doesn't need all of the ROMs people want. It's a super fast phone, even without overclocking. My other two phones, the Captivate and Inspire, needs to be modded to function well. Says a lot about the quality of the devices
The true ROMs (Cyanogen, Cognition, Serendipity, whatever else there is) might never, ever be usable on this phone. This device has a signed bootloader, and we can't install custom kernels while it is signed. One of the only ways we might get around this is if Motorola pulls their heads out of their asses.

PixoNova said:
GingerBlur 1.1 works on 1.5.7. However, you need the bootstrap recovery apk from the Android Dev section. The Gingerblur installer auto-deodexes your phone. However, you need an SD card to put GingerBlur on
This phone doesn't need all of the ROMs people want. It's a super fast phone, even without overclocking. My other two phones, the Captivate and Inspire, needs to be modded to function well. Says a lot about the quality of the devices
The true ROMs (Cyanogen, Cognition, Serendipity, whatever else there is) might never, ever be usable on this phone. This device has a signed bootloader, and we can't install custom kernels while it is signed. One of the only ways we might get around this is if Motorola pulls their heads out of their asses.
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Is there any threads that go over how to install bootstrap recovery? How large does my SD card need to be?

xecure said:
Is there any threads that go over how to install bootstrap recovery? How large does my SD card need to be?
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I would recommend at least 4 GB. Anything less will probably get filled up quite quickly. I bought mine from buy.com for an extremely cheap price. Hell, you can get a 16GB for ~$20 on Newegg.
This is the link to the CWM recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019143
You need to have sideloading enabled. That isn't hard, just follow this second link to root and update to 1.5.7 correctly.
You need to be rooted, and at 1.5.7. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016060
This is a guide to getting root on the newest update. This is the direction you must use:
1.2.6 SBF Flash -> Root 1.2.6 (using retainroot from the second link) -> update your phone OTA with 1.5.7 -> run the afterupdate.bat from retainroot -> install CWM recovery -> put GingerBlur.zip on SD card -> boot into CWM recovery and install zip from SD card.
It seems complicated, but you'll get used to it.
This si the micro sd card I purchased: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=16gb_micro_sd_card-_-20-211-379-_-Product
It's a Class 6 - 16GB, for only $28. It's almost criminal not to buy it! Mine works great so far

New OTA Xoom Update, but my xoom is rooted, what to do?

I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?

I have the same problem. I think I have to follow this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079504 guide but i'm too lazy/scared to try right now. I might just wait for 4.0 and then see.

DeeJayCruiser said:
I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?
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Question - If you are rooted this is a no brainer. YOU JUST SAY NO... what ever they are offering you has probably been in the forum as a rom for quite some time. If they are offering you an update it probably means you are running an older rooted rom. Just update to the new rooted one in the development section.

DeeJayCruiser said:
I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?
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You could download it but I wouldn't recommend it. Best case scenario is you would just loose root. worse case is it won't boot (soft bricked) after install because it's not upgrading a "stock" phone. Pretty sure you will just loose root as tiamat 1.4.4 is not really a true full rom it's just a kernel.
Anyways I recommend you follow the instructions at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074979to put on the "right" clockworkmod recovery. and then put on The HammerHead Rom (which is based on 3.2) at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1203635 the Hammerhead rom runs perfect for me (and most everyone else). Then put on the 3.2 Overclocked Kernel at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1200063
I was basically in your situation and I got all that done and all my 100+ apps reinstalled (using Titanium Pro) and basically everything set back up in about 2.5 hours.

Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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playya said:
Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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Easy, killer. Guy is probably just double checking.

playya said:
Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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I feel ya playaa... I used to be one of those folks. I did minimal research and just wanted to root to hack a videogame... Then i realized all the wonderful benefits of rooting and roms and spend hours reading new topics on development... But i still have friends that all ask me silly questions all day and one even ugraded ota on their g2 and lost root.. Now they have ginger 2.3.2 i thi k and that cannot be rooted last i checked. I do wonder why people do the minimal searching... I took the time to learn this stuff so why can they... It does get frustrating
Sorry. Not trying toput the OP down.. I mean we all start somewhere, but google and search feature are huge helps =)