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i'm confused about this. i've seen people recently saying that apps2sd is no longer needed, but lots of people still run it.
i currently run dwangs latest 1.6 rom, and its blazing fast... does this have apps2sd built in? if it doesnt, why do people say its no longer needed? i also run ra recovery console 1.2.2. if dwangs doesnt have it built in, all i need to do to move to it is click the link in my console right? (i already formatted fat32/ext2)
It's not needed for the Magic because it has enough internal memory for your apps. Many ROMs are developed primarily for the G1 which has less space and hence could do with apps being stored on the SD.
I recently removed all partitions from my SD so the apps are now on the phone and also there is no swap. With the latest Cyanogen ROMs I have found this to be a more stable setup, don't think I'll ever partition the SD again.
Hi,
last time i came in here unhappy with my stock HD2 on tmobUK android was just emerging on SD, now i came in here the other day WP7 is available as NAND and so is android....things seem to be a little confusing now, quite a few of these great ROMS are from people whos first language is not english so its quite hard to sometimes understand what they are explaining so i would be greatful if someone could answer somes questions, i have tried to read threads as best i can but some of them, well most actually are well into the hundreds within hours.
1) A lot of chefs describe NAND and SD, i know the difference between the two, but then they get mixed with magldr and NAND with ext4 etc etc..basically i want to flash the phones software to my NAND, i am assuming this is the best way to have it running at its optimum ?..so if i do this why would i need ext4 partions on the SD as well ? whats the benefit of it ?
2) i have also noticed that you can scan a barcode and have a link download a new rom to your phone and flash it, could i do this with ANY rom straight over the top of another without question ? and everything will be as it should be.
3) Does each ROM need to be set up in a different way?, this partly answers the previous question.
4) i flashed WP7 to my NAND (i think)..i was not happy with it and i had magldr installed, i just formatted my SD card to fat32 popped it back in and followed instructions to put [Feb 01][DL DesireZ v3.4][DL Data2SD/Ext4 v2.6][Nand/SD/MAGLAR] on to it.... it took me into magldr and told me to do a few things...did this flash to my NAND ? and did it do what was needed to the SD card regarding format or was it up to me to make certain changes to the SD card myself ?..the phone works and i can make calls, but all the apps that are stated to be in the ROM are not there, i cant find any GPS stuff and when i go to market place itsays its downloading an app but i can never see it.
As you can see i really am quite discombobulated with all this...i would love a easy reading guide that explains everything from A-B and all the terminolgy.
Thanks.
1. Many of these Android roms would swamp the entire memory of the EU HD2, so a workaround is to have partitions on the sd cards to store apps and data, leaving the system to run on NAND. When you update your rom, you just flash the system files and all app and data remains on the sd card.
2. The QR code just allows you to download the rom to your phone. You would still need to flash it AFAIK. (Heven't tried one of those yet). There are basically 2 types of NAND Android roms. One type use the more conventional flash type where you run an exe (daf.exe) from the usb flasher option on magldr. The 2nd (more recent type) packs the roms as zips which you can download and copy to your sd card and then using Clockwork mod, you can flash the rom directly from your sd card. This also allows you to take full backups, try another rom and if you don't like it you merely restore the rom.
3.Each rom and each dev has their own way of building these roms, so you will need to read carefully regarding what to do wrt sd card partitions etc.
4. Flashing WP7 and the Android rom via magldr would have installed the rom to NAND. You would need to partition your sd card yourself prior to flashing the rom. There are tutorials on how to partition the sd card to give you more help.
loady said:
Hi,
last time i came in here unhappy with my stock HD2 on tmobUK android was just emerging on SD, now i came in here the other day WP7 is available as NAND and so is android....things seem to be a little confusing now, quite a few of these great ROMS are from people whos first language is not english so its quite hard to sometimes understand what they are explaining so i would be greatful if someone could answer somes questions, i have tried to read threads as best i can but some of them, well most actually are well into the hundreds within hours.
1) A lot of chefs describe NAND and SD, i know the difference between the two, but then they get mixed with magldr and NAND with ext4 etc etc..basically i want to flash the phones software to my NAND, i am assuming this is the best way to have it running at its optimum ?..so if i do this why would i need ext4 partions on the SD as well ? whats the benefit of it ?
2) i have also noticed that you can scan a barcode and have a link download a new rom to your phone and flash it, could i do this with ANY rom straight over the top of another without question ? and everything will be as it should be.
3) Does each ROM need to be set up in a different way?, this partly answers the previous question.
4) i flashed WP7 to my NAND (i think)..i was not happy with it and i had magldr installed, i just formatted my SD card to fat32 popped it back in and followed instructions to put [Feb 01][DL DesireZ v3.4][DL Data2SD/Ext4 v2.6][Nand/SD/MAGLAR] on to it.... it took me into magldr and told me to do a few things...did this flash to my NAND ? and did it do what was needed to the SD card regarding format or was it up to me to make certain changes to the SD card myself ?..the phone works and i can make calls, but all the apps that are stated to be in the ROM are not there, i cant find any GPS stuff and when i go to market place itsays its downloading an app but i can never see it.
As you can see i really am quite discombobulated with all this...i would love a easy reading guide that explains everything from A-B and all the terminolgy.
Thanks.
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1) MAGLDR is nothing but kind of a bootloader. You can select how you want to start your ROM. AD SD or NAND or also now you can back up ROMS with MAGLDR... SD ROMS use haret.exe method. NAND uses DFT.exe method. there is another way called Clockwork MOD which uses .zip method.
Differences:-
SD Method: you have winmo 6.5 on NAND and android on SD card.
NAND Method: you install android on NAND itself.
Clockwork MOD: you install android on NAND but the benefits include you can backup your whole ROM in the actual state and flash it back later... So you can try different ROMs without worrying about installing apps and adjusting settings on the ones you like.
ext4 is a type of partition used by system. you can use the ROM which supports APP2SD and put your apps on ext4 partition.
2) As for the barcode ones. I am not sure how that works, but deffinately not as easy as you are thinking...
3) All the NAND roms use DAF.exe method so you do not need to worry about setting up the ROMs or anything. It does it for you. But some NAND roms have capabilities for APP2SD, in that case you might have to format your SD card in some particular way (explained in the threads always) to get ext2/3/4 partition to use app2sd.
4) you can flash WP7 only on NAND as there is no other way to do it for now. As for the new build you used, it has more than 1 versions. SD and NAND. If you followed the instructions for NAND and used DAF.exe to install it, then the ROM is already set up for you on NAND. Now the build you used had data2sd option and you can format your SD card as the author has said to use app2sd functionality.
One more thing, mostly TMO US users do not need app2sd as they have enough space on their phone. So if you are TMO US user, you can opt your self out from that headache.
Hope this helps. Just for the clarification, I am also a newb... I tried my level best to answer your questions...
QR codes are just text, in this case a URL. Instead of making you type the URL on your phone, you can just scan it with a special app, and get taken to the URL. Nothing more.
Thanks guys...the fog is clearing a little now...just a few reiterations..
So if i opt to flash to NAND, is it flashing it to the NAND upon each boot or is it written once and thats it, it seems to take a little while longer to boot these ROMS on NAND than a stock ROM..so for instance, if i was to remove the SD card after shutting down the phone and then start it up again, would it not boot because its looking for the ROM on the SD to put into NAND ?...i understand that running from the SD card it just boots from the SD card.
So basically the last ROM i installed, as i did not pre setup the partitions on SD card, FAT32/1024mb ext4/512mb ext4 and went on to flash the rom it has ONLY flashed the ROM WITHOUT the apps and everything else it was supposed to have pre installed already ?...so i have now setup my SD card and i am going to follow through again from scratch and hopefully have the ROM running with all the said apps.
My SD card being setup FAT32 / 1024 ext4 / 512 ext4 doesnt seem to be a lot of space to store apps on the ext4 partitions, what data goes on what partitions...and do i HAVE to have the ext 4 at the stated sizes ?
Thanks again guys for your input, you have all been really helpful.
loady said:
Thanks guys...the fog is clearing a little now...just a few reiterations..
So if i opt to flash to NAND, is it flashing it to the NAND upon each boot or is it written once and thats it, it seems to take a little while longer to boot these ROMS on NAND than a stock ROM..so for instance, if i was to remove the SD card after shutting down the phone and then start it up again, would it not boot because its looking for the ROM on the SD to put into NAND ?...i understand that running from the SD card it just boots from the SD card.
So basically the last ROM i installed, as i did not pre setup the partitions on SD card, FAT32/1024mb ext4/512mb ext4 and went on to flash the rom it has ONLY flashed the ROM WITHOUT the apps and everything else it was supposed to have pre installed already ?...so i have now setup my SD card and i am going to follow through again from scratch and hopefully have the ROM running with all the said apps.
My SD card being setup FAT32 / 1024 ext4 / 512 ext4 doesnt seem to be a lot of space to store apps on the ext4 partitions, what data goes on what partitions...and do i HAVE to have the ext 4 at the stated sizes ?
Thanks again guys for your input, you have all been really helpful.
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If you use NAND then you can start your phone without SD card. The build is on NAND(ROM). Where win6.5 used to be originally. You do not HAVE TO partition your card. You can use whole card at FAT32 and store all your data on there. But if you choose, you can give some storage space as ext2/3/4 partition and store your apps in that partition. The benefit is you can free some space from your phone. When you boot your phone for the first time, it will be in original state. Then you can install apps from the market. These apps will be going to your phone's inbuilt memory by default. But you can use some apps to move apps from your phone storage to ext4 partition. But be aware that after you move your apps to SD card you have to have SD card in all times or those apps will not work when SD card is not there. As far as the size of ext4 partition is in question, 1024 MB is more than enough. As you will have some space on your phone and 1024MB on ext4. I would say if you install more apps than that, then you phone will be laggy like hell. ext4 partition size should not matter according to me.
Also read tutorials at this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905841
^ Agreed. Don't do Apps2SD if you don't really need it. It's another possible source of problems (I've had my fair share of system crashes with A2SD on my ol' Magic, and the biggest problem was that there was no way of backing stuff up - stuff probably got more reliable nowadays though), it's not ideal for your SD card and speed isn't optimal either.
StephanV said:
^ Agreed. Don't do Apps2SD if you don't really need it. It's another possible source of problems (I've had my fair share of system crashes with A2SD on my ol' Magic, and the biggest problem was that there was no way of backing stuff up - stuff probably got more reliable nowadays though), it's not ideal for your SD card and speed isn't optimal either.
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People would have you believe otherwise..ext4 is faster but ext2 parsay is more reliable... for the life of me i have followed numerous guides explaining how to format the card, even one i followed from a rom was in perfect enlgish and easy to follow but my phone just locks at the spinning tmobile logo, it wont even boot into magldr...all i can do is reflash a stock rom using RUU...im sure i am doing everything in correct order
OK..I've done everything, installed DFT Android ROM for HTC LEO etc...everything seems to be working fine, BUT..((
Most of the apps from Market or any other cannot be moved from Phone memory to SD card, thus consuming all phone memory very fast, and disabling me to install any more apps...and we all know that Android rules just because there are so many apps for it...
So, my question is: is there any possible way of making Android install apps to SD card, rather then phone memory? 'Cause this way, my 16Gig card isn't much of use on Android )
Please help, because there is no point in having Android on this device, if I can install only so many apps on phone memory...
Very thankful in advance....
Greeting from remote Bosnia ))
Which Rom are you using?
I am using Hyperdroid and it allows me to move apps to SD.
And they are working fine.
I'm using Desire ROM...from DFT 2.2 Froyo..
And this one also allows moving apps, but just some, not all.....
Could anyone be as kind as to point me to a ROM with Sense that allows moving all apps to SD card?
ddcww said:
I'm using Desire ROM...from DFT 2.2 Froyo..
And this one also allows moving apps, but just some, not all.....
Could anyone be as kind as to point me to a ROM with Sense that allows moving all apps to SD card?
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The best method would be to create an ext partition for your phone. ALL the apps that would normally installed on the phone will be moved onto this partition on your SDcard, saving you space. However, the trade off is speed. It will be slightly slower, but I don't think you'll even notice the speed difference day-to-day.
You can follow my guide here on how to make an ext partition without losing your data on your SDcard. It should only take like 5min to do. [HOW-TO] Make Ext4 from Recovery Without Losing FAT32 Data
well, there are some apps on the market that allows u to move all the installed apps in the internal memory to the storage card.
Try App 2SD Enabler. When you run the app, be sure to read the instructions.
If that doesnt work, Titanium Backup has a function in it that allows you to move any installed app u want from internal to storage memory (when u open the app, press Menu and then Batch. There should be an option somewhere there)
edit: keep in mind that some apps such as widgets, have to be on the internal memory to work properly. The Ext4 method is good if u want to increase the internal memory (by sacrifasing some storage memory), but you won't be able to connect your phone to the pc via Mass Storage. Plus, if it's the method with the 3 partitions(tbh i don't know if it's just for the 3partition method or any partition number), some of the storage card will be used from the OS as well, making the removal of the SD card impossible.
I would recommend App 2 SD. I use it to move all the apps it can to the SD card and it really does free up a lot of space.
Does Titanium Backup allow all apps to be moved too SD card? Just curious because Apps2SD doesnt move all apps to the SD card just some of them from my experience..
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The original DFT Desire ROM wasnt rooted correctly so use Z4Root from market then try using apps like Titanium and App2SD etc etc.
As an alternative, if you like sense but without all the bloat and lag try the rom in my signature, its a stripped down version oh DesireHD it flies like **** of stick and has all the best bits of sense
Try a different ROM
The DFT rom was also my first, but the internal memory filled up in no time and made it unusable for me.
In my experience, if you move an app to the SD card, some residual data goes onto the internal memory so you will find that you still use it up. As mentioned above, you will need to put certain apps and all widgets on the internal memory anyway.
I would go for a 'clean' rom that gives you plenty of free memory. You should then have no problem with it filling up. Titanium backup (free from market) is a good app, although Apps2SD (also free) is good as it lets you know how much space you have left.
I settled on the prj rom in my signature as it gives 180Mb free space from install and everything works as it is based on the DFT rom with minimal tweaks. There are plenty of clean roms out there, so try some out.
The best solution really for EU HD2's (512MB) is to use a rom that supports Data2SD as that actually extends your internal memory to the partition on SD card so you have say 1GB of internal memory, this is much better then any other current methods as its much more compatible with apps.
Also, dont mess about with Gpartid or other partition apps, You can use CWR to do it, just partition 1GB and then choose 0 for swap. (unless told otherwise by dev).
Thanks everyone, really...
I did this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931126
Partitioned the card during setup and now I have 1Gig, which is OK..also the ROM is really stable and fast.... Try this, I'm quite happy, it works great and it is an upgraded version of DFT Desire ROM... Cheers!!!
Hi,
I did a quick search and couldn't find anything on the topic.
I was wondering for a while now, some applications (usually the bigger ones like Angry Birds) must be installed on NAND for it to work - given the HD2's limited onboard phone memory, I can't install very many of these at the same time - requiring me to move it to SD when I don't use it very often to save on space.
A bit of a pain really. I was just wondering if there's a fix for this issue? I'm using one of the older CyanogenMod7 builds if I recall correctly.
Cheers.
use a rom that uses app2sd+ (a2sd+ whatever, ) or data2sd, , one that uses an EXT partition on the sd card. the system will treat the EXT as internal memory and apps such as angry will work. If the EXT is already there when you install such a rom, you dont have to do anything, it will detect the EXT partition and use it, no interaction on your part needed.
Most roms are set up to use an EXT, go read your roms first post.
Right, that makes a whole lot of sense. Cheers!
After using my HD2 for close to 1.5 years, I finally manage to get root on the Froyo NAND ROM I have, and installed Titanium Backup. What took me so long? Partly due to the fact I don't have much time to try out different ROMs and also I need something reliable, which made me stuck to the same early NAND release for so long, but the lack of internal space is really getting on my nerves recently.
Just a backtrack on what ROM I used. I followed instructions on the [GUIDE] Flashing Your First HD2 NAND Android Rom [For Newbs] thread, installed LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM by Cotulla and never bothered with anything else, even with the fact it doesn't have root access.
Upon installing Titanium Backup, I discovered a section where they listed "System ROM: 274MB (18.6MB free)" and "Internal: 144MB (17.2MB free)", well, that explains why I kept running out of space, the first boot up, I remembered I only have like 30MB out of the 144MB Internal space to use for any other external apps I installed! But another question beckons, 274MB + 144MB is only about 418MB, I thought we have 576MB to begin with on the HD2? What happened to the rest of the storage? I've checked my radio and I'm running on 2.15.50.14 which is supposed to have unlocked the extra memory.
And I'm also thinking of installing a new ROM after all these years, probably sticking with a Sense based one, which I've seen a pretty good Rom SENSATION XL V 3.0 or DESIRE HD OFFICIAL RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_V 3.0 made by haldric, but the partition of 5/220/5 or 5/180/5 is a little worrying as that would mean less internal space left for apps I install, but how does one calculate and estimate the amount of internal memory left after a clean install? If not, I would be considering tytung's NexusHD2-Gingerbread V3.2a which has a small system partition of 135MB, which probably meant I have more internal space left for apps instead, but it doesn't have SENSE, which I prefer to have even though it makes the phone slower.
Also, I guess I prefer to stick with the MAGLDR way of flashing thru DAF.exe as I think it's probably the most straight forward and easiest way compared to the other methods which seemed kinda complicated.
My main question is actually the "System ROM" and "Internal" size showed by Titanium backup, is that normal that it doesn't add up to the RAM/ROM size?
Hope to get some response soon. Thanks in advance!
ever thought of using ext???
Thealshear, I would, but it seems the procedure to set it up seemed pretty complicated, and, well, I've been thinking of trying out a new ROM as well.
I guess I got confused anyway, it's 512MB of ROM, so after deducting 274MB out of System ROM and 144MB out of Internal memory, where did the rest of the 94MB went? Cache?
First of all, RAM is a completely different thing from ROM.
ROM, stands for Read-only memory , is where your OS resides. Whereas RAM, stands for Random Access Memory (you should already know this), is where your running apps are kept ... RUNNING !
The HD2 only has a RAM of 576 MB (after radio install).
But as for the ROM:
The T-mobile packs a 1GB ROM, while the regular (Euro) HD2 only packs 512MB (not 576MB).
And finally, don't trust TB . Mine says (167 System ROM & 1GB internal when I actually own a European HD2 ) and that is because the A2SD script.
When you want to flash a recovery, your maximum is 400MB system (considering 10MB cache, 2MB boot, 5MB recovery & 1MB misc) Which totals to about 418MB.
I don't know why the rest is not used, but since it is happening on both DAF flashing AND CWM, then I assume it's a thing we cannot change.
Well, yeah, I just found out I got mistaken, it's the ROM size that I need to take note about, one of the things that baffled me coming from iOS is that, in iOS, whatever listed storage size, I could use it all up for apps instead of like in Android's case, it's based on the ROM size.
Anyway, other than checking the flash.cfg configuration, there's no where else to roughly estimate how much internal memory is left? Moving apps to SD doesn't seem to be the full blown solution as I think some parts will still be left on the ROM, or I had been misinformed?
Is it possible to setup without Clockwork Mod?
Settings > Storage
Always shows you the actual amount of MBs left for you to install apps. (If you're not using an A2SD script)
Why are you still on that rusty ROM ?
There are now much better ROMs with better functionality. Furthermore, the installation procedure is rather simple.
I recommend doing the following:
1- Sync your Contacts & Calendar Events to Google. (Auto by default)
2- Backup your SMS with any app from the Market. (Optional)
3- Backup your apps using TB backup (requires root ofc )
After that, wipe off your device using Task29. Then choose either MAGLDR or cLK (see what suits you best). Then install CWM (cWM comes pre-installed with cLK 1.5) .. then customize the partition sizes. Finally, flash your favourite ROM.
Well, as mentioned, I'm still on this rusty ROM due to convenience and I didn't had much time to tweak around. Back then, I got the HD2 as it was the only possible phone that has 4.3" on Android
Recently, the internal memory issue is getting on my nerves as I need a couple of apps that's impossible to install without having more internal memory! Which was why I finally decided it's time to read a little bit more to get a much better ROM instead without resorting to changing phones.
So, basically, whatever I do, I would still need to run Task29? I just found out about the HD2 NAND Toolkit, so in accordance to the procedure you mentioned, I would still need to run Task29, install MAGLDR, use HD2 NAND Toolkit and then install whatever ROM I choose to use? Is CWM necessary? Or it just helps to ease up the work later on?
Thanks again!
GRexer83 said:
Well, as mentioned, I'm still on this rusty ROM due to convenience and I didn't had much time to tweak around. Back then, I got the HD2 as it was the only possible phone that has 4.3" on Android
Recently, the internal memory issue is getting on my nerves as I need a couple of apps that's impossible to install without having more internal memory! Which was why I finally decided it's time to read a little bit more to get a much better ROM instead without resorting to changing phones.
So, basically, whatever I do, I would still need to run Task29? I just found out about the HD2 NAND Toolkit, so in accordance to the procedure you mentioned, I would still need to run Task29, install MAGLDR, use HD2 NAND Toolkit and then install whatever ROM I choose to use? Is CWM necessary? Or it just helps to ease up the work later on?
Thanks again!
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Task29 is unnecessary I feel. Just follow this guide and you should be fine. Do a wipe in MAGLDR, flash CWM and carry on from there.
In terms of the internal memory apps, which ones are these? I made sure to move all of my games to the SD card, and any app which has a significant amount of data. All the apps on my internal storage right now are Widgets and Launchers, works fine for me.
^What he said.
And yes, CWM is fundamental. On the other hand, task29 is not. But I like to do it when switching from MAGLDR to cLK or vice versa.