Dell Venue Pro Review: All the tiny details and more! - Venue Pro General

I’ve had the chance to use a Dvp for a while now and the following are my impressions of the device.
1) AMOLED screen: Not impressed. Colors were great, but pixilation is an issue for me. I can literally see pixels on this screen. HD2 has a larger screen with same resolution and I didn’t notice pixels like I noticed pixels on the Dvp.
2) Gorilla glass: Tough stuff! And I mean tough! I’ve already put it through its paces and tested it. Trust me; it’s very tough for the screen to get scratches. I’ve tried nails, knives, and even the floor. It was difficult for me to give it scratches especially with given pressure. This was amazing. The curvature has no effect on function at all. You really can’t feel its curved unless you’re in landscape mode – but even still, you can barely feel the curve. The curved glass is all aesthetics, I believe. It’s pretty I admit.
3) Rubber surroundings: this includes the rubber part that surrounds the top and bottom of the screen as well as around the keyboard. This rubber material is tough. It’s also difficult to scratch it. I tried to put pressure with my finger nails, but it didn’t leave a single mark. It does, however, attracts oils very fast!
4) Silver trimmings: These are cheap silver coated plastic. They scratch very easily and I mean VERY EASILY. They look great though, and are built to be as streamlined as possible. I did notice that my silver trimming wasn’t fully aligned with screen. I’ve already brought up this issue in another thread thinking it may be just this device but others are also report that their silver trimmings aren’t aligned as well. It could be a manufacturing defect due to the way the sliding mechanism is built.
5) Back plastic battery cover: what’s very unique about this back cover design is that it has actual engravings with tiny holes. Each one of those lines and dots are holes. Can dust get into those crevices over time? Yes and maybe. I think it’s very nicely design. It gives the feeling of something intriguing in the hands. The back cover is made of plastic. It doesn’t feel as cheap as the back cover of the HTC EVO or Incredible. But it isn’t as strong as the metal on the HD2. It’s rigid and isn’t really flexible. My only gripe about the back cover is that it didn’t fully cover the back entire. There was a gap along the side where I was able to see the SIM card slot’s metal plating underneath-Almost like the HD7’s gap where you can see the sim card even with the back cover on. – Nonetheless, this back cover fits like a perfect glove!
6) Keyboard: awesome keyboard. Great tactical feedback. I think I love it. It can be a little larger but its fine. The individual keys are actually tiny little islands if you look closely. I can tell that over time, dust will get under it. The keyboard isn’t like the HTC touch pro where its one long slab of plastic. I do wish that the keyboard would be more integrated with the OS more. Nothing happens if you’re just sliding it out and typing. You have to be somewhere where there’s text input for the keyboard to work. The keyboard’s backlight also turns off very quickly if you’re not typing. I wish it stayed on little longer. Registry tweaks anyone?
7) Screen Bleeds and LED buttons (back, start, and search): The screen will bleed when the LED lights are on. I’ve noticed bleeding from the following areas: Between the grooves where the G.glass meets the rubber near the top and bottom, groove between G.glass and silver trim of the left “back key” and right of the “search” key, and bleeds from bottom side of the earphone. With the LEDs, I wish they would be brighter! I can’t tell if they are on until I’m in complete darkness. And even then, the LEDs are very DIM- still useable though. Same thing with the keyboard, the LEDs don’t stay on for very long. I say about 5 secs? until they go off. Registry tweak anyone?
8) Camera and framing: Crappy camera, but what can you say, it’s a phone. Then again, my HD2 performed better. Someone here also mentioned that it’s very hard to get a sharp picture no matter how hard you are motionless. This is true. I rested the phone and took a picture. I have steady hands, but yet, I can’t seem to get a sharp image. It’s blurry for some reason. Weird. It’s a good camera for sending picture and uploading to facebook etc, but don’t think that it will chug-out pictures like an HD2. Another thing is framing: When you frame and take your pictures, you’ll see more after you’ve pressed the shutter button. It’s almost like the screen is the viewfinder, but the camera will capture more than what you see on the screen. It’s hard to explain this one. It could be an OS issue. Bright LED flash. No other comments on this one.
9) Power button, and camera button access: Since the phone slopes and curves into itself, it makes pressing these buttons a little difficult. Their placement isn’t the issue. It’s the accessibility; I feel like I have to work to get to them. They aren’t on a flat surface, but on a curved slopping surface which makes it hard. What do you guys think?
10) Speakers: Both earphone and bottom “stereo?” speakers are great. I say stereo because the
sound quality is amazing. It’s amazing compared to most smart phones today. They thump the device at high volumes, and retain clear audio that doesn’t distort. It would be nice if they placed another speaker behind that other mesh grill. Unfortunately it’s a microphone. So really, only the right side (underneath the “search” button) is the speaker.
11) Weight and size: in length, it’s slightly longer than the Hd2 with keyboard closed. In width, it’s just as wide as the Hd2 .Almost identical (HD2 has very little bezel around its screen). The rest of the phone’s size is obvious. In weight, it’s just a tad heavier than the HD2, though not by a lot. Definitely tolerable if you’ve owned the HD2 before and had no problems.
12) OS, speed and performance: two words…Buttery smooth! If this OS was a fully developed and matured OS like the iOS, then it would heavily rival the iOS right now in terms of speed and performance. I’ve never used a device that was so fluid in touch response!- This either beats the iphone4 or is equivalent to it. The Dvp really delivers on this aspect! This itself, could make the entire WP7 switch all worth the wild! Other have reported freezing issue. I’ve not to have that yet. *Knocks on wood.
13) Battery life: I’ve lasted an entire day surfing over wifi, texting, calling, and tinkering getting used to the device. That was some long lasting battery life.
14) Conclusion and Over all build: Amazing build over all. It’s stiff. It’s sturdy, and it feels like a $500 device. However, it does has imperfections which are noticeable only to those who are meticulous about their devices and will notice them when there’s backlight bleed, loose buttons or unaligned silver trimmings. Most people won’t notice this until it pointed out. See what I mean? Dvp is fast and responsive. This itself could make the $500 all worth the wild. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a DVP. This IS the WP7 device. It was meant for this OS.
The dell venue pro is a highly recommended device- if you can get pass the whole SHIPPING and ordering issues, which has been proved to be a painful experience with many users so far. Let me know what you guys are thinking.
I hope that this review has been helpful to you. The “thank you” button is below if you are generous. =)

I like this review, very informative and good to see that you did some testing.
Lol @ the fingernail testing, did you sharpen the nails first?
So are you keeping it?

Thanks, for this Review.

Great review there.. The one comment I would make about the camera is that for a phone coming out at the end of 2010 at this price the camera should be better. I used the HD7 for a bit and even with the pink hue of that one the camera on that phone is much better.. I hope this is something that Dell can address with updates and that it is not a hardware issue.

bernaserra said:
So are you keeping it?
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This one us definetly a keeper. I'm keeping it.

lemonspeakers said:
2) Gorilla glass: Tough stuff! And I mean tough! I’ve already put it through its paces and tested it. Trust me; it’s very tough for the screen to get scratches. I’ve tried nails, knives, and even the floor. It was difficult for me to give it scratches especially with given pressure. This was amazing. The curvature has no effect on function at all. You really can’t feel its curved unless you’re in landscape mode – but even still, you can barely feel the curve. The curved glass is all aesthetics, I believe. It’s pretty I admit.
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So can I take that to mean that you actually managed to scratch it in the end? *ouch*
Seems extreme for a forum review lol.

FinalJenemba said:
So can I take that to mean that you actually managed to scratch it in the end? *ouch*
Seems extreme for a forum review lol.
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all the testing was done on a small scale so results aren't noticable if malignant. With the screen scratch test, after i knew pressure + scalpel didn't phase the screen (tested in the corner, of course), i went onto a large scale.
All other testing was done on a small scale but results should be indicative of a real situation.
My device still looks brand new as if nothing has happened to it!

lemonspeakers said:
8) Camera and framing: ...Bright LED flash. No other comments on this one.
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Are you serious? I've never seen a weaker flash. On my other phones, I can take a picture inside a small bathroom with the door closed and the lights off, and the flash will light up the room bright enough for the picture to seem like it was taken with the lights on. With the DVP it looks like there's a faint candelight providing the ambient light.

very nice review. here are some comments:
I think the screen color is good enough. I never had phone with AMOLED screen, I compare it to samsung vibrant with super AMOLED, it about same.
the battery life is not great. I played with the phone for few hours with wifi on, use internet explorer, text, marketplace, the battery bar seem to fall from 100% to 75% in 2 hours.
is the grilla glass really tough? I dont think metal will not leave any mark on it. I dont want to risk it to try it.
they keyboard seem to be smaller than the on screen keyboard, I wanted this phone because of the keybord, this is first phone I tried with physical keyboard, when i actually the keyboard, the keys are squeezed together, it is better to take my finger nail to pin on it.
I have not seen and LED on the phone. where are they?
speaker is loud enough. I like that.
the WP7 OS interface is good, but I think it is flexible as old windows mobile, cannot install cabs, can only install apps from marketplace, no file explorer, task manager, no compass, no gps software.
everything else is good.

citrix80 said:
very nice review. here are some comments:
is the grilla glass really tough? I dont think metal will not leave any mark on it. I dont want to risk it to try it.
I have not seen and LED on the phone. where are they?
speaker is loud enough. I like that.
everything else is good.
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The glass is that tough. Trust me!
the LEDs are the sensor buttons itself. (Back, start, and search). It's super DIM and you'd probably only notice it in complete darkness.

it would be cool to see a registry tweak to have the Windows logo/button flash and act as a notification LED when a new email/SMS/VM has arrived.

lemonspeakers said:
all the testing was done on a small scale so results aren't noticable if malignant. With the screen scratch test, after i knew pressure + scalpel didn't phase the screen (tested in the corner, of course), i went onto a large scale.
All other testing was done on a small scale but results should be indicative of a real situation.
My device still looks brand new as if nothing has happened to it!
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Just curious lemon what would you use to clean the glass. and have you had issues where the screen just turns off and wifi issues where the phone freezes up

I don't understand the bad photo problem . . . mine are turning out great . . .
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enders4you said:
I don't understand the bad photo problem . . . mine are turning out great . . .
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you are full of ****. Your is from OmniVision model nV5642.
All this information is on yourpicture properties.
not only that, you've edited your images in photoshop cs4.
Get the outta here!

LOL! Nice try enders.

Actually, the info on the one photo says it was take with an HD7.

I only used photoshop to resize the image . . . . so there is an OmniVision in my dell? What?
Here is another no compression this time . . . still using the first dell phones . . .
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/786/wp000116.jpg

Looks like the photo is legit unless the OP mod'd the Exif. My DVP also says OmniVision with the same model #.

There has never been an issue with daylight pictures. They actually look pretty good. It's the low-light pictures that require a flash that have been problematic. The flash on this camera is just flat-out the weakest I've ever seen on a smart phone.
It's possible that it's just a poor design as opposed to a defective component. Check any other phone, and you'll see sort of a yellow "lens" with concentric circles that I believe serves to intensify the LED flash. The DVP, for some reason, lacks this lens. The LED is covered by a flat piece of clear plastic with some "grating" pattern painted onto it.

more "official reviews"
cnet now has a review up for the dvp
also now that dvp is rumored to be on sale in the uk next week
electricpig has a review up now aswell
i wonder if engadget will get there review up today
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/dell-venue-pro-t/4505-6452_7-34426341.html?tag=rnav
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/01/28/dell-venue-pro-review/

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Different Versions / Colors of EVOS

So we bought 3 EVO's yesterday.
2 of them were a darker black and appeared smoother then the other one which was lighter black which appeared to have a tiny bit of texture.
Which versions do you guys have?
(Dark Black smooth version)
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(Light Black more textured version)
(Top Light Black (more textured) | Bottom Dark Black (smoother)
I've got the lighter, more textured version.
Frankly, I'm starting to get pretty damned mad at HTC with all these little 'surprises'. First they start substituting different types batteries in some Evos, and now they decide to begin alternating battery covers? This isn't cool at all. What if a certain population with one type of battery cover discovers that theirs is more fragile than the other? I can't imagine HTC alternated for nothing more than aesthetic appeal.
Combined with the software issues we're experiencing, I'm seriously considering returning this phone, as much as I love it. This just screams poor quality control and uniformity.
myn said:
So we bought 3 EVO's yesterday.
2 of them were a darker black and appeared smoother then the other one which was lighter black which appeared to have a tiny bit of texture.
Which versions do you guys have?
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I'm pretty certain the only difference is one of your battery covers is jacked up.. from what I can tell, both EVOs look the same exact around the rim of the phone.
mental26 said:
I'm pretty certain the only difference is one of your battery covers is jacked up.. from what I can tell, both EVOs look the same exact around the rim of the phone.
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They're definitely different battery covers. The smooth one appears to pick up some lint and hair. The textured version is unable of doing this, judging by the surface and time I've had it in my pocket.
mental26 said:
I'm pretty certain the only difference is one of your battery covers is jacked up.. from what I can tell, both EVOs look the same exact around the rim of the phone.
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Again 2 of my EVOs are smooth dark black, and one of them is lighter black with a little more texture.
I was going to guess the lighter colored textured version was the oddity but I've talked to 2 people now that have this version.
EDIT.
From the Sprint literature it appears to be flat dark black:
Again I see other reviews from people where they have the lighter more textured backing and side edges:
Confirmed.
The lighter grey version is from the first batch. The darker black is from the second batch.
Lots of differences (battery, sd card, case)
More info:
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...ly-did-you-buy-after-6-11-10-we-want-you.html
myn said:
Confirmed.
The lighter grey version is from the first batch. The darker black is from the second batch.
Lots of differences (battery, sd card, case)
More info:
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...ly-did-you-buy-after-6-11-10-we-want-you.html
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How are we supposed to react to this? HTC must have changed it for some reason besides aesthetic appeal. Personally, I'm wondering if the first batch of batteries has a few duds, seeing as how there are so many varied outcomes of battery life. If it is, I certainly won't be a happy camper, having one of the gold-trimmed batteries myself.
Mecha2142 said:
I've got the lighter, more textured version.
Frankly, I'm starting to get pretty damned mad at HTC with all these little 'surprises'. First they start substituting different types batteries in some Evos, and now they decide to begin alternating battery covers? This isn't cool at all. What if a certain population with one type of battery cover discovers that theirs is more fragile than the other? I can't imagine HTC alternated for nothing more than aesthetic appeal.
Combined with the software issues we're experiencing, I'm seriously considering returning this phone, as much as I love it. This just screams poor quality control and uniformity.
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Dude if this makes you want to return it... then maybe you should get a iPhone. The EVO is awsome, and a different texture doesn't bother me in the slightest. Nor does the battery issue, because when the Extended Batteries come out, I will be buying a "baby bump" for my EVO. And you can take that to the bank.
Brutal-Force said:
Dude if this makes you want to return it... then maybe you should get a iPhone. The EVO is awsome, and a different texture doesn't bother me in the slightest. Nor does the battery issue, because when the Extended Batteries come out, I will be buying a "baby bump" for my EVO. And you can take that to the bank.
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Are you really that defensive over a cell phone? I am as big an Android fan as they come, so I'm not criticizing Android. I am obviously questioning HTC. There ARE other smartphone manufacturers beside HTC and Apple, you know.
I am not annoyed solely over the battery cover itself being different. I am annoyed over HTC making such a significant switch in batteries, covers, and SD cards for no apparent reason in the second shipment. There could be a world of differences in a batch of devices created in April/May and a batch manufactured this month. So the battery issue doesn't affect you personally; so what? It affects everybody else who suffers from it, and not everybody can afford to or wishes to buy an extended battery to rectify HTC's mistakes.
You also completely ignored my points regarding the software issues. This hardware switch isn't the only thing strange about the Evo since its launch, let alone the light bleeding and poor screen grounding. Factor in the 30fps graphic cap, touch sensor lag, and poor Wifi reception, and it's nothing short of a pain in the neck for people who expected to get their money's worth. It's clear that HTC isn't treating this like a flagship device, otherwise they wouldn't be making little switches and software changes like this.
Mine is definitely the blacker more rubbery backing. So I guess I lucked out and got the 2nd batch. I got it at a radioshack at 6am on launch day too, so I guess they had both batches on launch day. No wonder I haven't been having all the issues some of the users are having.
I don't have light leakage, don't have battery issues, don't have bottom screen lifting, no SD card issues. 2nd batch has less issues maybe?
Do you have light leak? Take it out of any covers and go to a completely dark room and look under the 4 menu buttons and see if you see any light leak.
Mecha2142 said:
Are you really that defensive over a cell phone? I am as big an Android fan as they come, so I'm not criticizing Android. I am obviously questioning HTC. There ARE other smartphone manufacturers beside HTC and Apple, you know.
I am not annoyed solely over the battery cover itself being different. I am annoyed over HTC making such a significant switch in batteries, covers, and SD cards for no apparent reason in the second shipment. There could be a world of differences in a batch of devices created in April/May and a batch manufactured this month. So the battery issue doesn't affect you personally; so what? It affects everybody else who suffers from it, and not everybody can afford to or wishes to buy an extended battery to rectify HTC's mistakes.
You also completely ignored my points regarding the software issues. This hardware switch isn't the only thing strange about the Evo since its launch, let alone the light bleeding and poor screen grounding. Factor in the 30fps graphic cap, touch sensor lag, and poor Wifi reception, and it's nothing short of a pain in the neck for people who expected to get their money's worth. It's clear that HTC isn't treating this like a flagship device, otherwise they wouldn't be making little switches and software changes like this.
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Here's an idea: RETURN IT AND GET A NEW ONE!
TickLe MY eLMo said:
Here's an idea: RETURN IT AND GET A NEW ONE!
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Returning it will not fix the software issues the phone has. Furthermore, I'd have to get it exchanged by HTC, since I bought mine from Wirefly. Even if I wanted a phone from the second batch, I'd have to wait quite a while for the supply to increase again.
Fixter said:
Do you have light leak? Take it out of any covers and go to a completely dark room and look under the 4 menu buttons and see if you see any light leak.
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No light leak at all. But if the room is completely dark, the touch icons have a slight glow, but definitely not a light leak below that on the seam.
myn said:
Again 2 of my EVOs are smooth dark black, and one of them is lighter black with a little more texture.
I was going to guess the lighter colored textured version was the oddity but I've talked to 2 people now that have this version.
EDIT.
From the Sprint literature it appears to be flat dark black:
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You have to take brochure pictures with a grain of salt. The timing is sometimes such that you're creating a brochure before the final product is actually ready. Often times you will have untextured plastic, no logos, etc, in your photography models. It then all gets corrected in photoshop. It's really amazing what they can do, but it doesn't always match up 100% to the final product.
I posted this I the other thread, but I will put it here too.. What hardware versions are your phones?
Check your version in menu, settings, about phone, hardware information, hardware version.j
Mine is the smoother, darker black and is hardware version 3.
Tiny bit of light seepage under bottom function buttons
Good battery life
Set to CDMA (auto) by default (*#*#4636#*#*)
Battery Cover fits perfectly
Samsung class 2 MicroSD card
Battery is completely red with black writing and patches of black on it. Part #35H00123-22M
danknee said:
I posted this I the other thread, but I will put it here too.. What hardware versions are your phones? Mine is the smoother black and is hardware version 3.
Check your version in menu, settings, about phone, hardware information, hardware version.
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Mine says version 2.
danknee said:
I posted this I the other thread, but I will put it here too.. What hardware versions are your phones? Mine is the smoother black and is hardware version 3.
Check your version in menu, settings, about phone, hardware information, hardware version.
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I have the lighter, smooth cover and my hardware version says 002.
So there is definitely something different.
Also, another thing about the battery cover is this:
The people with the first batch (hardware version 002) seem to have a flimsy battery cover. By this I mean, the right side seems to not fit after you remove it a couple of times. It sticks out a little bit.
Can the newer batch (hardware version 003) confirm the battery door resting flush?
Revision 3 here. Case is a dark black color but seems pretty smooth to me. AData SD card. Battery looks red but has the gold trim on the back. 2 small patches of light leak at the bottom of the screen under the function keys. Never had any issue with my battery cover not fitting.
Mine came from Sprint Releases. Ordered the day before launch day, received it the next Monday
Edit: forgot I swapped my card. It came with a Samsung
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Should I return?

So my nexus seven was great out of the box. I was probably so excited that I didn't rly notice this to begin with but the back of it is off placed. And also there is a part of my screen that creaks when pressure is applied... So should I return and get another? If so should I call Google or Asus?
Galaxy S3
Any pic of back you describe? Do you mean not fastened down all the way?
If it isn't actually lifted and it only creaks when you press it deliberately, that's not worth returning in my opinion.
As for the back, like darin said, it's difficult to have an opinion without seeing it. Have you popped it off and on again to see if that fixes it?
To check if your screen is lifting, which is the most likely cause of your creaking sound, hold the device with the right side facing you. Look across the display and use the left bezel as a silver horizon line. If the black display is higher at any point, you'll be able to see it interrupt that silver line.
Here is an example of a perfectly flush display, looking across the device from the right side.
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pxlitup said:
If it isn't actually lifted and it only creaks when you press it deliberately, that's not worth returning in my opinion.
As for the back, like darin said, it's difficult to have an opinion without seeing it. Have you popped it off and on again to see if that fixes it?
To check if your screen is lifting, which is the most likely cause of your creaking sound, hold the device with the right side facing you. Look across the display and use the left bezel as a silver horizon line. If the black display is higher at any point, you'll be able to see it interrupt that silver line.
Here is an example of a perfectly flush display, looking across the device from the right side.
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Just wondering, is that a HUGE scratch on it?
atticusmas said:
Just wondering, is that a HUGE scratch on it?
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I believe that is just a reflection
atticusmas said:
Just wondering, is that a HUGE scratch on it?
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I don't see what you're referring to, but this isn't my tablet so I wouldn't know. This was a photo uploaded by a helpful user named drewden to prove that flush screens do exist.
Really hope you're not talking about the left bezel. That's kind of the whole point of the picture.
pxlitup said:
I don't see what you're referring to, but this isn't my tablet so I wouldn't know. This was a photo uploaded by a helpful user named drewden to prove that flush screens do exist.
Really hope you're not talking about the left bezel. That's kind of the whole point of the picture.
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Nah I believe hes talking about the thin line above the big grey side panel of the closer side of the N7.
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Nah I believe hes talking about the thin line above the big grey side panel of the closer side of the N7.
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That thin grey line is the bezel on the far side, visible above the glass.
pxlitup said:
If it isn't actually lifted and it only creaks when you press it deliberately, that's not worth returning in my opinion.
As for the back, like darin said, it's difficult to have an opinion without seeing it. Have you popped it off and on again to see if that fixes it?
To check if your screen is lifting, which is the most likely cause of your creaking sound, hold the device with the right side facing you. Look across the display and use the left bezel as a silver horizon line. If the black display is higher at any point, you'll be able to see it interrupt that silver line.
Here is an example of a perfectly flush display, looking across the device from the right side.
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That bezel seems different from my C8 model. Mine no where near is raised that much on my device. Not sure if it is the way the photo is taken or not..
Mines basically flush with just enough to feel the bezel raised.
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That thin grey line is the bezel on the far side, visible above the glass.
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There's just no way... I don't even... I assumed that they saw something I didn't.
Looking really, really closely, towards the right side of the photo, I can maybe see a faint thread of chalky white about halfway across the screen, but why would anyone mention that?
If these guys can't tell the difference between the bezel and a scratch, I'm going to plug in my DSL modem next to the bathtub and log out.
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145ty said:
That bezel seems different from my C8 model. Mine no where near is raised that much on my device. Not sure if it is the way the photo is taken or not..
Mines basically flush with just enough to feel the bezel raised.
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Are you saying that when you look across the device from the right side, like in the picture, your black display eclipses part of the thin, silver bezel on the left side?
That would mean you have at least some screen lift.
pxlitup said:
There's just no way... I don't even... I assumed that they saw something I didn't.
Looking really, really closely, towards the right side of the photo, I can maybe see a faint thread of chalky white about halfway across the screen, but why would anyone mention that?
If these guys can't tell the difference between the bezel and a scratch, I'm going to plug in my DSL modem next to the bathtub and log out.
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Are you saying that when you look across the device from the right side, like in the picture, your black display eclipses part of the thin, silver bezel on the left side?
That would mean you have at least some screen lift.
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Pictures incoming of all four sides. Uploading now.
You can see where my minor screen lift is on the upper and left screens. By minor I mean minor.
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Pictures incoming of all four sides. Uploading now.
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Cool.
Make sure you get a decent shot of the horizon test detailed earlier. Unless your tablet is really weird, the others are less important.
Edit: I can see your entire bezel from both the right and left portrait sides -- can't tell which is which. As far as I can tell, your screen looks fine.
What makes you think that there's lift?
I am on extremely slow hotel internet.. Takes me forever to do anything. I posted the pictures above but I don't think it worked.
Hope that works this time.
Also direct link: http://imageshack.us/g/835/20120825234655.jpg/
145ty said:
I am on extremely slow hotel internet.. Takes me forever to do anything. I posted the pictures above but I don't think it worked.
Hope that works this time.
Also direct link: http://imageshack.us/g/835/20120825234655.jpg/
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* Hands 145ty a micro fiber cloth*
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I still feel like there may be some confusion about what to look at from the right side.
Hopefully the OP will find this rigmarole about how to check for screen lift helpful. If none of this is applicable, I'm sorry for derailing your thread.
Once again, here is a photo taken by a user named drewd.
We're checking the left, but we're looking at the unit from the right. We're looking at the left bezel (on the far side) to see if the screen is high enough at any point to block it from our sight.
The thin, silver line of the left bezel is intact, and the perspective is low enough to be accurate.
Now, here is a low quality photo of my own second unit. I took this picture for reference during a Google Support call.
It is a very bad camera, but you should be able to see the silver line of the left bezel along most of the far side. I've drawn a circle around the general area where the screen eclipses the bezel. The perspective is higher than drewd's photo because I wasn't trying to show that my screen is flush. His angle would be more convincing for that purpose.
The lift of my second unit was indeed minor, and it turned out to be the least separated of the three units I received. In hindsight, I might have kept it, but now I wait for news that this issue has been resolved.
Hopefully this clears things up.
When there's something wrong come with the device, well, the answer is definitely YES. Just send Google an email and they will tell you everything you need to do.
pxlitup said:
Cool.
Make sure you get a decent shot of the horizon test detailed earlier. Unless your tablet is really weird, the others are less important.
Edit: I can see your entire bezel from both the right and left portrait sides -- can't tell which is which. As far as I can tell, your screen looks fine.
What makes you think that there's lift?
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Very minor lift. You can see it on the pictures a bit, they basically look like a shadow/overcast. It is quite minimal, only reason I noticed was because of this forum. You can also tell if you do a fingernail test around the edges.
If you can even call it lift - its not over the bezel just raised a bit in comparison to the rest of the unit.
To be honest - it was a bit worse a few days ago before I tested it for squishiness and been going away with normal use.
Sure, why not replacing it? They will send you a new device and once you received it, just send your old
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In-Depth OnePlus One Review: Compared to Perfect

I received my International OnePlus One in the mail yesterday, and after setting it up I've spent a lot of time with it over the past day (including putting my main SIM in the phone).
I'll go through my experience in chronological order from unboxing to fully set up. For each section, I'll point out positives, negatives, and other notables, along with giving an overall rating for each section.
Be aware that in this review I will not excuse things because of the wonderfully low price. I am very picky when it comes to mobiles, and I*will*nit-pick. This is a review that will pit it against $700 flagships,*because*this phone is so good it doesn't need excuses.
Here we go!
Unboxing & Accessories: 95%
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Unboxing the OnePlus was, in all honesty,*the*best unboxing experience I've*ever*had.
This is not an easy feat, considering I've owned, unboxed, and later sold every iPhone and Android flagship from the past couple years.
From the red pull tab on the protective brown cardboard, to sliding out the bright red inner package out of its white sleeve.
Each layer brought even more sense of surprise as I came closer and closer to the phone itself!
The individual package for the charger was an excellent idea, and the included accessories just screamed luxury.
Although some have questioned the inclusion of a key ring attachment for the SIM remover, I found this to be perfect. Being one who switches phones often, having that sleeve on my keys makes it that much easier to find a remover when I need it.
The one issue I had with the accessories was with the charging cable. While the USB end is sleek, and the cable is a nice bright red, it just isn't practical.
The cable is so thick and bulky that it just looks out of place next to the thin black and white cables on my nightstand.
And even worse, is how short the darn thing is. iPhone chargers*were*the shortest cables I'd ever seen included with phones. And now, they're tied for worst. At three feet, the included cable with the OnePlus just isn't anywhere near long enough. I can barely plug it in at night, and good luck trying to use the phone while it’s charging.
I thought the six foot black Monoprice cable I'd been using with my M8 would make it an easy fix. It wasn't. For some reason, the stock OnePlus USB cable charges noticeably faster than any others I tried.
I give this section a 95% because the experience was truly something else, and if the USB cable was a useable length, it would have been 100% (or more). The lack of a proper-length cable was a disappointment, but the battery life is so good I'll never have to use it on the charger.
Build Quality+Quality Control: 85%
This is an insanely well-built piece of hardware. If someone told me this handset cost $700, I would believe them. It’s one of the sturdiest phones I’ve felt, and manufacturing defects were nonexistent (except for one thing).
And that one thing (the subtracted 15%) comes from the screen. First, the oleophobic coating on the screen is very poor, so the screen is a*fingerprint and dust magnet.*This probably doesn’t matter to most, but as someone who carries around a microfiber cloth in his wallet to keep his screens smudge-free, this is a pretty sizeable downside.
Second, I got a model with a slight yellow tint on the bottom. After seeing some others' screens, mine is extremely mild, and unless I look at a white screen I can't notice the shift. It's almost like the bottom half of the screen very gradually gets warmer (from the middle to the bottom).*I was going to include a picture of it, but it was so insignificant the camera couldn't see it.
Although I can barely see it, it's there. And the fact that these defects weren't one-off makes me have to deduct a few points.
OnePlus did a commendable job on QC for this device. Even the biggest manufacturers have launch glitches sometimes. Thing is, I take display issues more seriously than all others, so I had to give it an 85%.
Hardware: 90%
Wow. I said that out loud when I took this phone out of the box. The One is lightweight, stylish, sturdy, distinctive, unique, and a blast to use. It feels so good in the hand that I want to hold it just to hold it.
The first thing that stood out to me was the sandstone material on the back of the phone. It provides grip,*and*an astounding matte finish, all while being immune to fingerprints.
The front is equally as striking. With the screen raised from the bezel, there’s a handsome frame around the screen that makes it stand out from the crowd. There's even a tiny raised portion of black plastic surrounding the screen itself that will keep it from getting scratched if face down on a table, but is almost invisible to the eye (many reviewers have missed this thoughtful detail).
Speaking of the screen, while off, it blends in perfectly with the rest of the bezel. Although said bezel is a bit large to some, my long fingers have no problems navigating it all.
Speaking of “navigating”, that brings me to the hardware buttons. Coming from my M8 GPE, I thought such a different button arrangement would confuse me (Stock is Back-Home-App Switcher, and these are Menu-Home-Back), however I think owning a Galaxy S4 for eight months kept the muscle memory for this setup in my head. They’re very responsive, well-lit when on, and invisible when off. Not much more you can ask for.
As for MicroSD, I am ecstatic that OnePlus left it out on this phone. They made room for more battery, more onboard storage, more RAM, a better camera, better construction, etc.
As one who relies mostly on the cloud and never has much media, I’d much rather have a phone with no MicroSD slot and more onboard storage than a slot.
Plus, MicroSD is slow. And I’m fine paying a premium to get faster storage.
This is just my opinion, though, (as is the whole review), and If you carry around 5 MicroSD cards in your wallet that’s totally fine by me.
Why only a 90%, you might ask? The lack of a removable battery and water resistance. The lack of a removable battery isn’t too bad due to the great battery life (which, again, I’ll get into later), but it prevents it from being perfect so I needed to mention it.
Every night, when I get in the shower, I so much wish for the ability to just set my phone down and listen to a podcast. Or watch a YouTube video. I understand waterproofing would be pretty unfeasible for a phone this size (as it would most likely become quite unwieldy), but this is actually a pretty big downside for me. If I’m going to give something 100%, it really can’t have big issues.*I’d give any other phone without water resistance much less score, but everything else is so good it gets less of a penalty.
Software+Performance (Cyanogen 11S): 95%
Rarely do I find software perfect, but this is one place where it is. I’m using the Google Now launcher (pretty much the same as the default “Trebuchet”, but there’s a Google Now homepage to the left and “OK Google” everywhere), the*L-Ready Dark*theme by Koulis, and the*Stark*Icon Theme by Kovdev. It looks like this:
Well, I’m a sucker for stock Android. I just prefer it to pretty much all the skins out there. My only gripes with it though are that there just isn’t enough without going through Play Store apps (which I generally stay away from doing, because the interface can get inconsistent). With C11S, just about every setting and customization you can want is available stock. Without root, even (I still rooted it for AdAway and /system access, though)!
This phone has the best specifications of any phone available in the US, and it performs like it. The HTC M8 is usually considered the fastest Android phone out there right now, and this matches (and in RAM, exceeds) it.*There are no hiccups, and after opening 10 or 15 apps and watching a YouTube video my Chrome pages didn’t even have to reload (and I opened those first).
There*is*one complaint of mine, but is pulled just enough weight to reduce my score. And it’s the slow update process (compared to stock). This deducted the 5%. Now I know you can’t expect any skin maker to have something ready faster than stock Android, but when my M8 GPE gets Android L right off the bat, I’ll be sad that the OnePlus One will still be a ways out.
The reason I’m not bringing it down any more is because of the theme engine. I bet I’ll have a damn near Android L experience quite shortly after launch due to all the customization options!
Screen: 90%
In this section, I’ll refrain from criticizing the yellow hue at the bottom as that is an unintended manufacturer’s defect, and it isn’t representative of the way the screen is supposed to perform.
This screen is just gorgeous. It’s huge, has outstanding viewing angles, superb black levels, and a great brightness range. It’s comfortable to use in pitch black as well as in direct sunlight.
At first, the overall warmth of the factory calibration was a bit weird. I much preferred the cooler tones of the M8. I’ve quickly adjusted to it, and skin tones do look good (as OnePlus claimed). There’s also a built-in manual color adjustment tool in settings to make it just the way you like it.
Touch latency is also incredible. Compared to the M8 (with 46ms), this feels about the same. That’s fast.
All in all, the display is impressive. However, it’s not quite at the same level as the Galaxy S5 (the best as of this review) or HTC M8, so I have to bump it down.
Camera: 90%
I’m not a huge mobile photographer, so really all I need is something to look nice on Facebook and Twitter. The HTC M8’s camera works fine for me. Oh, and I know OnePlus had to use a worse camera to keep the price down.
But this camera is much more than something for Instagram.*A "compromised" part of this phone is still great.
The app is great, the settings are simple but highly customizable, and the pictures are consistently sharp, in focus, and properly exposed.
Thing is, cameras like those found the Lumia 1020, and Galaxy S5 are still better.
However, in my usage, it’s been very comparable to the iPhone 5s camera. That isn’t an easy task.
Combine a relative inferiority with the lack of OIS, and I just can’t give it a better score.
I guarantee you won’t be disappointed with the camera, but everything here is being compared to the best of the best.
Sound and Call Quality: 85%
Now, every phone in existence pales in comparison to the HTC One M8 in terms of sound. I was somewhat excited to hear that there were stereo speakers on the OnePlus One, but after using them they really are nowhere near the class of those on HTC’s offering.*Pretty much, media playback is poor compared to the M8 (and M7/E8), but way better than every other phone.
Call quality, on the other hand, is quite good. Callers were clear, and I was clear to them.*The earpiece is a little quiet, and the microphone won’t pick you up unless you talk right into it,*but these are easy software fixes and I’m not concerned.
Battery Life: 100%
Battery life is up there with the best. 3100mAh for a 1080p screen is the best out there, and the ability to manually reduce CPU speed in the settings can stretch this out for even longer.
When the phone arrived, it had about 40% battery. After I set the phone up, downloaded all my apps, switched to ART, and signed into all my accounts, it had 15%. Also, the screen took up an astronomical 55% of the toal battery used. Enough said.
Overall Thoughts and Conclusion: 95%
All things considered, I give this phone a 95%.
Waterproofing, a removable battery, and better speakers would have made it 100%, but I think that*for many users, this is*the*best phone you can buy.
*
You have the performance and build quality of an HTC M8, the camera of an iPhone 5s, the screen size of a G3, the customizability of TouchWiz, the simplicity of stock Android, and the price of the Nexus 5.
But perhaps most importantly of all, it has the friendly support of a small business, with a community of an established one.
If that’s not a flagship killer, I don’t know what is.
If anyone has any questions/comments/criticism, feel free to contact @SolarTrans on Twitter!
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Good spot on the raised edge around the screen!
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thanks, lets please take further discussion here ...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2685348

Yellow tint/band/gradient/screen/tinge - an Investigation

Introduction
If you own a OnePlus One and have kept up with news covering it, you should already be aware of the infamous "yellow tint/band/gradient/screen/tinge" (how many terms have been coined for this phenomenon?). If not, basically, it's an issue that has evidently plagued some* OnePlus Ones.
*I find that people can be generally divided into four camps:
All OnePlus Ones are perfect, the yellow tint doesn't exist
All OnePlus Ones are affected, none are perfect
Some^ OnePlus Ones are affected to different extents, but most are unaffected
Most^ OnePlus Ones are affected to different extents, but some are unaffected
^The proportion of affected vs. unaffected Ones is very unclear. Both of these cases are based on the fact that there are people who own OnePlus Ones that are completely fine, and the portion of affected users are the vocal minority.
I'm in the third camp. Mine has shown the tiniest bit of tint since day one (bottom 1/10th of the screen, more visible when looking down from above), remained unchanged after a month of owning it, and to this day remains unchanged as of the day before yesterday (17th December 2014).
SPOILER: 1 Month of Use
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SPOILER: Day Before Yesterday
Pictured: @Aaahh's pretty neat software fix, turned off
I need to learn how to work the manual settings on my camera.
When displaying a prominently white screen/image/webpage, there is a visible yellow "tint" (let's just call it a tint for now) at the bottom of the screen that's "yellow-er" than the rest of the screen, right above where the capacitive buttons are. It is also the edge where the backlight LEDs are situated. Now, its severity depends from case to case, and often it doesn't really affect functionality, but it's there, when it shouldn't be.
OnePlus has kinda addressed this in two threads, but the conclusion was a bit ambiguous. The first thread thread addresses an "overall yellowish hue", and details how OnePlus sources panels from JDI, different factories have different batches, different screen temperatures, other flagship phones also suffer from this etc....and the second thread thread lines up the One with other phones and is seemingly normal.
As far as I know, "officially" speaking, this issue doesn't exist. People have RMA'ed their yellow tinted One (success? failure?), others who have purchased multiple Ones have the tint on all of them (at different extents, never subsided), and some other stuff. I couldn't keep track of it all.
So, knowing me, I downloaded the RAW files from the second aforementioned thread and checked the EXIF data. I'm sure their one wasn't affected, so it wasn't to determine whether the image was doctored. I just wanted to know all of the settings they used to take those two pictures, so I could replicate those shots. It's a good opportunity to try out my Canon 450D!
Note that the Canon 6D is a full frame camera, and the Canon 450D is a crop frame, so there's a crop factor difference of 1.6x. Full frames also capture more light than crop frames, among other differences like how the 450D is only 12.2 MP and doesn't have multi-segment metering...it was free though, so I can't complain :silly:
Picture 1: f/4, 1/125 s, ISO 100, 24-105 @ 47 mm, no flash, using Manual mode and multi-segment metering (+ a whole bunch of other stuff)
Picture 2: f/4, 1/25 s, ISO 320, 24-105 @ 50 mm, no flash, using aperture-priority AE and multi-segment metering
My attempt at replicating those pictures (to emulate the wider angle of a full frame, I used a 32 mm focal length instead of ~50 mm, which also changed the aperture from f/4 to f/4.5):
Left is unaltered original, right is messing around with levels
Picture 1: f/4.5, 1/125 s, ISO 100, 18-55 @ 32 mm, no flash, using manual mode and center-weighted average metering
Picture 2: f/4.5, 1/20 s, ISO 400, 18-55 @ 32 mm, no flash, using aperture-priority AE and center-weighted average metering
I'll see if I can upload my RAWs too.
Conclusion? I'm a noob at Photoshop/photography. But I can see why people alter the picture and take them at extreme angles; it's too hard to capture on camera. You see it with the naked eye, but it's really hard to capture what you see using a camera.
From the second thread:
Another thing to consider when seeing photos of the yellow band problem is that a lot of the photos were taken at extreme angles with Contrast and Levels changed for more visibility. We have been able to replicate some of the pictures posted here by playing with the Levels settings in Photoshop and the angle at which the picture was taken. We have attached the raw files and settings used to manipulate them in Photoshop below so you can download them and reproduce these images.
Some people have complained that their screen’s yellow hue is due to a “bad” batch. This is not true. JDI and OnePlus extensively test the quality of the screens, and while the factory hue of the screen may vary slightly by batch, we can recreate the level of “yellowness” through software changes.
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Interactive part! To those who have a yellow tint that's more visible than mine, take a picture of it and post it below.
Different Circumstances?
Yes, I am aware that the screen temperature variation and unevenly diffused backlight/yellow band issue plagues not only the OnePlus One. This will be covered in the posts after this one.
In OnePlus' first explanation thread, some points were made; OnePlus deliberately chooses warmer displays for aesthetics, different batches have varying color temperatures, the latest CM11S update (as of 21 June 2014) is calibrated to be warmer to avoid fatigue, and we are reassured that this can be rectified through software.
I think not all Ones have a distinctively warmer display (I must've missed that warmer displays window), because my One's display looked pretty cool on CM11S 38R, and still looks pretty cool on PA 4.6 Beta 6 at stock settings (PA doesn't have any options to change the tone of the screen) when compared with the iPhone 6+. Say what you will about Apple, but the iPhone 6 Plus makes a great reference display device, because it's factory calibrated to full sRGB standards (quoting an Apple Store Genius (lol) and Apple's specs page).
Here's the iPhone 6 vs. the OPO on LiquidSmooth Lollipop:
Since PA is not CM11S, it doesn’t have a default warm screen temperature bias. I have been told that PA uses a "stock" color profile. Whether this is stock CM11S or stock AOSP I'm not sure. I will flash 44S (edit: probably not) on my One whenever I can. I wish I hadn’t encrypted it. In order to remove the encryption, the whole internal storage (all my stuff and the system) has to be wiped too, and I'm having difficulty backing up the contents. (encryption works on PA 4.6 for the OPO btw, but only use it if you really need it; TWRP doesn't get themed if you encrypt the phone)
After occasionally looking into it on-and-off and not really yielding any definitive results, it can be deduced that there are a few main possibilities that may contribute to this yellow tint:
The backlight LEDs were placed too close to the visible display area of the LCD, so the light didn't have enough room to fully diffuse before becoming visible, resulting in the yellow tint ("the "all ones are affected" camp)
Due to high demand and low supply, the factory at which the screens were produced were forced to ramp up production, rushing the LOCA curing process, resulting in some phones having "undercooked" displays that have a yellow tint localized at the bottom portion (the "some Ones are affected" camp)
Something could be up with the actual backlight diffuser in the LCD
A combination of 1 and 2, because the tint is coincidentally localized where the backlight LEDs are
Heresy
I will try and investigate the validity of possibilities 1, 2, and 3 (3 mightn't be by me, because I don't have access to an OPO LCD that can be dismantled). I can't do anything about number 5.
Possibility 1: Backlight Placement
This was explained by a OnePlus team member:
1. Our fans have also brought up a yellow band the bottom of the screen fearing it may be a quality issue. It is not. Since brightness influences color temperature, the yellow tint at the bottom is due to the design of the phone. There are 14 backlights under the screen, which were not meant to be uniformly distributed along the screen but to be all at the bottom. Since we needed to make the screen shorter, the lights were put very closely to the edge. If we didn’t, we’d have a leakage of light.
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We are assuming this is a design characteristic (the "all Ones are affected" camp). I thought the bolded part sounded weird, because if the LEDs were placed further from the edge, wouldn't those 14 visible spots be hidden from view?
Also, after some quick Googling, apparently:
Brightness is a human perception, and luminance is an objective measurement
Brightness ≠ luminance
Color temperature affects brightness, not the other way round
That powerpoint was for entertainment lighting systems though, and it didn't specify whether the brightness and color temperature thing applied to halogens or LEDs.
The HTC One X/XL has a very similar display backlight configuration to that of the OnePlus One. The backlight array starts from the bottom edge, and it also has three backlit capacitive buttons.
The difference is the HTC One X/L's backlight diffuser extends over the capacitive buttons (requiring extension things to provide button backlight), and the OnePlus One's extends over it not as much (those white bits allow light to shine through the capacitive buttons, see two pictures ago).
Also, the back of the LCD is stuck on the chassis, making removal without damaging the LCD very difficult (more difficult than the OnePlus One). This one broke when it was removed from the frame
For this investigation, I'm going to measure the lengths of the screen bezel on the side where the backlight LEDs are (from where the display area ends to the edge of the glass), and from where the backlight diffuser assembly ends to the edge of the glass. Subtracting the second measurement from the first measurement will give us the distance that the backlight has before its light can be seen through the LCD.
Note: the accuracy of the measurements below aren't guaranteed.
OnePlus One
12.94 - 6.63 = 6.31 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
Sony Xperia Z
15.44 - 9.02 = 6.42 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
LG Nexus 5
14.96 - 9.56 = 5.4 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
Motorola Moto G (1st gen)
18.23 - 8.77 = 9.46 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
HTC One M4 Mini
10.81 - 2.83 = 7.98 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
iPhone 5
15.68 - 11.01 = 4.67 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
Apple iPhone 4S
19.71 - 14.12 = 5.59 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
LG G2
10.80 - 5.58 = 5.22 mm from end of backlight to visible display area
I don't think the measurements were very accurate, but from what we've got, the placement of the backlight LEDs shouldn't alter the color temperature of the display. The OnePlus One's placement is on-par with other phones' placement, so those spots may be more of a diffuser problem.
Possibility 2: Under-cured LOCA (Liquid Optical Clear Adhesive)
This possibility was speculated by users, and was not addressed by OnePlus. It has been said that exposing the OnePlus One's display to UV light or sunlight (apparently, 5-10 minutes in UV, 1-2 hours in sun) completes the curing process, thereby eliminating the tint. (will find sources when I have the time, it has also been said that this doesn't fix the tint/band)
Edit: might as well try the sunlight fix. I'd actually have to buy the UV lamps, and wait for them to post. Since my tint is barely noticeable, it's worth a shot. Bottoms up!
Looks like it did make a little difference! (or it might just be my mind playing tricks on me + wishful thinking)
We are assuming this is manufacturing process related ("some Ones are affected" camp). This would imply it is a QC issue, which it is not, according to OnePlus.
Samsung?
It has been noted that some Samsungs may suffer from unevenly cured LOCA. I have yet to see this for myself, but that's not to say it doesn't exist.
By design, Samsung's Super AMOLED panels have no discrete backlight; each individual pixel emits its own light. That's why dark/black images save power, and bright/white images consume more. Due to the nature of OLEDs, blue subpixels age faster than red and green, so the PenTile subpixel configuration aims to compensate for this by having twice as many (but smaller) blue subpixels than the rest. PenTile displays may exhibit a slightlu cool/blue tint as a result. An aged AMOLED display may exhibit a yellowish tint, due to the deficiency of blue.
Every generation has introduced upgrades and improvements to continually improve AMOLED tech. The Galaxy S5 and Note 4's displays finally outshine LCDs of the same class in terms of color accuracy/gamut, contrast, power efficiency, and uniformity of luminance. Sharpness has become increasingly irrelevant, thanks to the 500+ ppi of the Note 4. Any claims that LCD is objectively superior to the current generation of Samsung AMOLEDs is purely subjective. The only advantage that LCD has is its increased durability and lower price. They are less likely to fracture/crack and render the whole display useless.
I will get a phone that does not have a laminated display, and intentionally leave part of the LOCA uncured/under-cured in an attempt to replicate the tint where the backlight LEDs are.
How would this happen at the factory? I'd like to think the curing process involves a conveyor belt pizza-oven like device that "bakes" the display under UV light, but who knows!
We could ask Apple, since their iPhone 4 suffered from a similar problem
Update!: I think I should wear sunglasses next time.
I "only" put it in the lamp for 2 minutes, because that's how long the built-in timer is, and apparently some 20W UV lamps can fully cure a particular LOCA in a mere 6 seconds. I didn't want to risk damage to the LCD, so you could say I "chickened out"...
You can come to your own conclusions about what this means
In all seriousness, my One's probably not the best "poster child" for this, because I've actually heated the screen enough to separate the factory bond with the chassis, and exposed it to sunlight uninterrupted. We'll probably get more visible results by doing the curing process from scratch.
Pictured below is the phone in question; an iPhone 5S knockoff. Most of the better Chinese no-brand/knockoff phones have an OGS display (One Glass Solution), which is already laminated. It is like the OnePlus One's ToL (Touch on Lens), but not. I've posted on XDA before about it!
LOCA time!
As it turns out, the LCD is stuck to the front glass with adhesive tape all around the border. I didn't remove all of it, which resulted in some of the air bubbles to have nowhere to go
Get the display all clean, and apply the glue in an elongated "X" fashion:
I didn't have one of these:
So I used the phone's chassis. Bad idea. The glue leaked all over the place. The whole idea of the alignment frame thing above is to allow air bubbles and excess glue to escape, while also maintaining a uniform thickness between the glass and the LCD.
Lookin' good! This was the best I could make it. An autoclave would've came in handy.
Into the manicure UV lamp for 2 minutes. That should be inadequate enough!
The glue had already solidified enough such that air bubbles could no longer move around freely. The bubble in the top right corner became bigger, but other than that, everything went better than expected!
...or so I thought. LOCA had leaked underneath the LCD and into the backlight, because I used the chassis as the alignment frame, but it did not allow glue to escape.
The glue did not become yellow. It wasn't yellow when it was in liquid form, and I don't have much idea how long you're supposed to cure it for. Maybe it yellows further down the road?
Well, at least the properly laminated areas look great, and glare has been reduced. In hindsight, I should have used a display that could be replaced if I messed up this process.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This process is not going well with the Galaxy S3 display
If only I had gotten that $600 machine that make this process a whole lot easier (the frame laminator bit), or the lot for $4,250...
Conclusion?
We cannot come to a definitive conclusion at this point. The backlight placement doesn't seem to result in the yellowing, and neither does under-cured LOCA, since it yellows in a different fashion. Something's probably up with the design of the display itself, and it might have something to do with the color shift you see when viewing it from a different angle.
Either that, or like the touchscreen issues, there might be multiple causes of the yellowing.
Omg man, you deserve the crown of the unofficial Oneplus hardware development.
I'm so lucky to not suffer this problem (but i'm going crazy by the unresponsiveness of my touchscreen).
/p/ says your problem is that your using cannon I' just teasing man, this is an awesome post and we appreciate your efforts.
The complete yellower screen thing is really a color profile(ak has the old one, see the difference)
The tint 92% in the UK
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/p/ says your problem is that your using cannon I' just teasing man, this is an awesome post and we appreciate your efforts.
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Well, so is OnePlus
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The complete yellower screen thing is really a color profile(ak has the old one, see the difference)
The tint 92% in the UK
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So it's not a deliberately warmer JDI display thing?
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Well, so is OnePlus
So it's not a deliberately warmer JDI display thing?
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The display may have been deliberately designed that way, but changing the colors counteracts anything out of ordinary.
In fact, I like it better than the Samsung and HTC, there screens look colorless or flat. I like my screen, it has depth
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Samsung and HTC, there screens look colorless or flat. I like my screen, it has depth
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Are you kidding me? Samsung screens are extremely saturated? That's pretty much their thing, over saturating their screens.
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Are you kidding me? Samsung screens are extremely saturated? That's pretty much their thing, over saturating their screens.
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The samsung is flat... My friend had the s4 active and I thought it looked depth less.
The HTC is dark
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Are you kidding me? Samsung screens are extremely saturated? That's pretty much their thing, over saturating their screens.
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I have to agree here, the saturation on Samsung displays is ridiculous.
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The display may have been deliberately designed that way, but changing the colors counteracts anything out of ordinary.
In fact, I like it better than the Samsung and HTC, there screens look colorless or flat. I like my screen, it has depth
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If we're talking color depth, Samsung definitely has the upper hand over the OPO and HTC.
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The samsung is flat... My friend had the s4 active and I thought it looked depth less.
The HTC is dark
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The S4 Active had a terrible display. It is not representative of Samsung's better displays.
I wouldn't say HTCs are dark. In fact, the HTC One M8 has a brighter than average display. Some OEM screen assemblies can be complete crap though.
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I have to agree here, the saturation on Samsung displays is ridiculous.
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It's just more accurate/has a wider color gamut that what you're used to on other phones.
Take a look at some of DisplayMate's Samsung display shoot-outs. The Galaxy S5 and Note 4 have some of the most accurate mobile displays on the market (not directly comparable with LCD tech).
He has a fix for that
If you got your one wet, your toast.
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He has a fix for that
If you got your one wet, your toast.
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We're not here to argue which is the better phone with waterproofing solutions. We're talking about screen quality.
nicholaschum said:
We're not here to argue which is the better phone with waterproofing solutions. We're talking about screen quality.
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That is the reason it's doing what it does
The connection becomes grounded.
Try putting foil around your phone
vantt is here...
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That is the reason it's doing what it does
The connection becomes grounded.
Try putting foil around your phone
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Yes, but regardless, we're not here to talk about waterproofing your phone.
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Yes, but regardless, we're not here to talk about waterproofing your phone.
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I'm done fighting.

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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel 4a, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel 4a is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Not a bad little phone for the price. Too small for me though. I have a 3XL. I bought this for my girlfriend. It's faster than I thought it would be. Should be incredible on Android 11.
She's very apprehensive with the small size. She also has a 3XL with a very cracked screen. Not quite as fast as my 3XL but extremely smooth. I'm very impressed.
I'm on Android 11 Beta 3
Love the Punch hole. Very nice
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I'm trying not to play with it. Lol
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Excellent for one handed use . I want one. Yummy
Had anyone else found their actual reported battery capacity is not what Google claimed?
This is my only device not meeting claimed mAh (my system is reporting 3080)
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Had anyone else found their actual reported battery capacity is not what Google claimed?
This is my only device not meeting claimed mAh (my system is reporting 3080)
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mine also says 3080
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mine also says 3080
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Thank you
i emailed Google support about it and they just recited the spec capacity and spewed some advertising nonsense about that being a "big deal" number and to reach out again if i had any other questions. i reiterated that i wasn't getting that number from my system reporting and they have not replied.
Please, bring it up to Google support because this might be a widespread problem.
Mine says 3080 as well.... I don't think it is a big deal.
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Mine says 3080 as well.... I don't think it is a big deal.
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It's not a big deal...even if accurate. 2-3% difference. M'eh.
Yeah, the standing 3080 reported by accu battery seems to be inaccurate anyway. Now I've got a few charges on it the estimated battery capacity is higher 3300 or so........which in itself will be inaccurate as I believe the actual battery is probably as advertised. It's all semantics anyway..... What I do know is that battery life is way better than my outgoing 18 month old essential phone.
Now having used the 4a for a few days, it is solidifying my initial impressions of what a great phone for the money it is. Upgrade from my essential in every way, feels smoother, signal strength is better, it connects to my inbuilt android auto without a hitch. For me the size and weight of it is perfect..... going to be a keeper for sure.
This reminds me a lot of the Nexus 5 but without the flaws.
I really love this phone. The screen feels a lot larger than it is. Oled at this price is very nice. Decent stereo speakers. The snapdragon 730 is decent paired with 6 GB ram. Battery life is excellent considering the battery capacity.
The polycarbonate plastic body feels super solid and is light. The fingerprint scanner on the back is refreshing to use solving a problem that never needed to be solved with terrible in display fingerprint readers.
The camera is great.
3.5mm headphone jack.
This is the best Pixel I have used. My only complaint is I can't watch Netflix in fullscreen.
Here's my thoughts coming from Pixel 3a:
Screen is noticeably brighter outdoors.
Edge to edge is really nice, but the chins on the 3a give you somewhere to hold, whereas the 4a it's all screen and left holding it by edges a lot.
Fingerprint sensor got a huge upgrade, now works with completely wet finger, where the 3a had issues with slightly sweaty or wet finger, far less failed login attempts.
The edge to edge screen doesn't always fill the screen, like XFINITY Stream TV. Some apps will fill the right side of the screen, but the left side of the screen will be a square edge instead of filling to edge. This is probably my biggest gripe. Some apps do edge to edge fill properly, like YouTube, just wish all apps did this.
The screen is slightly warm in color, it has a tiny yellow tint to it, where the 3a is more neutral
The camera is very similar in color profile, has a slight warm tone, where the 3a feels more neutral
Great phone ruined by yellow glow over everything:
https://imgur.com/a/DWN527j
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ienzi6/yellow_tint_on_pixel_4a_screen/
Not sure if because of cheap OLED, or bad calibration.
For the money it is the best phone out there and I do like it. Here are my complaints coming from an Xperia XZ1.
-My Xperia phones were always bulletproof. I only used glass protectors and never had a case. The Pixel 4a is not as strong. Already took a chunk out of the plastic but it's a budget phone. Still with no wireless charging give us an aluminum back.
-Screen is great for the money. The colors aren't perfect but it looks good and the refresh rate seems nice.
-I am a fan of a side sensor but the rear one is pretty responsive so I don't complain too much.
-I HATE THE BOTTOM SPEAKER HOLES! I hold my phone with my pinky under the bottom and it digs into my skin. I will get used to it but it's annoying. Make the holes not so sharp or do something else. I have never been a fan of bottom mounted speakers.
-The camera is amazing for the money. Exceptional value.
-The software has been great and the new android update has made it even smoother.
Overall it is the phone that the Exceptional phone should have been. I had one of those and wanted to love it but the display was garbage. I can get over the stuff I hate on this phone because of the price.
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Still with no wireless charging give us an aluminum back.
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My preference leans toward textured plastic. Arguably lighter, less likely to dent, not a finger print magnet, potentially easier to hold with finger tips. So done with fragile glass and metal sandwiches. It's a phone not a fashion statement .
I suppose this (if true) would be the counter argument: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4a/help/cover-4a-discoloration-problems-t4163637/post83511081
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My preference leans toward textured plastic. Arguably lighter, less likely to dent, not a finger print magnet, potentially easier to hold with finger tips. So done with fragile glass and metal sandwiches. It's a phone not a fashion statement .
I suppose this (if true) would be the counter argument: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4a/help/cover-4a-discoloration-problems-t4163637/post83511081
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I am so over glass backs too but my XZ1 has the best metal back. Its textured so easy to hold and has never dented. Sure it is scratched as hell but I never babied it. Plastic would never hold up to that amount of damage. That is my only concern but I also paid a lot more for the XZ1 as well.
i received my Pixel 4a yesterday. Android 11 was waiting for me in KSA. Overall best device in back camera, display, touch response and off course software. Front camera is normal. Not good in games but can be bearable. Battery SOT is 8 to 9 hours. Upgraded from P40 pro. Wishes it should have better chipset atleast.
Pretty happy with the phone overall. Size is perfect and battery life is still good enough for me. I had a OnePlus 6t before this so most say it's a downgrade and in some ways it is but for the camera improvement and still having all day battery life and to actually get updates is a big plus over a big screen and battery and I don't we even more the difference in chipsets . It's a solid A to me hopefully they make more like this.
I owned flagship devices, top of the line processor, etc....
I was an idiot.
The Pixel 4a does everything I need to do and I save maybe $800 dollars.
Sure run a bench mark and the device will be very far behind the latest Samsung device but in real life the games I played and apps I ran all run fine.
The camera is the best !!! One thing Pixel does well is camera software processing.
I take photos with various devices and the colour of the Google shots is more natural, most camera add a cooling effect which you do not see in real life. Astro photography love putting my camera on a tripod and seeing what I get.
What do I lose wireless charging ? Not a big deal if it means I save $800
Water resistance, never been an issue
Miss a wide screen camera but for what I save just the normal camera is fine.
5G battery hog, not available everywhere "will want it next time"
Found out the phone's software automatically blocks Robo calls !!!! Wow I love you goggle.
Getting fast updates, and no bloat rounds of the reasons this device is for me.
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I owned flagship devices, top of the line processor, etc....
I was an idiot.
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Not necessarily. Until recently (let's call it the last 2 years) mid-range phones were a distinct step down from flagships. I had a hunch the curve would flip when the iPhone X and similar Samsungs came out which attempted to push the acceptable price point into the 4-digit range (USD). Ridiculous for a hand held gizmo that gets replaced every 2-3 years. Not to mention the giant form factor which didn't work for everyone. Be interesting to see where we are two years from now. Flagships will still exist but may not be the must-haves they once were.
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This is what shows in my device

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