[Q] Is The Shift Available on AT&T Network? - Shift General

I like the body of this phone from just looking at the picture icon alone. Ive never heard of this model. How much is it? What network is it compatible and where can i check one out or buy? I am hoping it works on AT&T

You do realize that the Shift ISN'T a phone right? It's a tablet PC that can be made to have phone functionallity, and is around 9inches wide and an inch thick. It does work on ATT, and you can get one off eBay for around 500USD.

shift from expansys.ca or expansys.com
hi,
i bought mine here - http://www.expansys.ca/htc-shift-x9501-800mhz-1gb-40gb-gps-vista-business-150277/
i does 3g gsm in north america for rogers in canada and att in usa.
but yah, it's kinda big for a "phone".... and only the speakers and microphone work on the windows mobile phone side

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hi,
i bought mine here - http://www.expansys.ca/htc-shift-x9501-800mhz-1gb-40gb-gps-vista-business-150277/
i does 3g gsm in north america for rogers in canada and att in usa.
but yah, it's kinda big for a "phone".... and only the speakers and microphone work on the windows mobile phone side
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Thanks ashasaur, yep fully aware its bigger, like a tablet rather than a handset, just didnt see the need to say it.
Thanks nonsense, i will give that link a look and see what's available in my area. When you say the speakers and micropone only work on the 'windows moble phone side' is that meaning it only provide sound for the WM environment and not windows, android, etc? just curious.

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Thanks ashasaur, yep fully aware its bigger, like a tablet rather than a handset, just didnt see the need to say it.
Thanks nonsense, i will give that link a look and see what's available in my area. When you say the speakers and micropone only work on the 'windows moble phone side' is that meaning it only provide sound for the WM environment and not windows, android, etc? just curious.
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sound works fine on the windows mobile side but its only speakers. not an earpiece like on a cell phone. the mic works fine too but its more like a conference call mic. everyone can hear the calls.
also android "kinda" works. i got it to boot an eepc iso build but without internet or touch screen drivers. android x86 needs more work to be usable on this htc.
ubuntu needs some work too but i'm just not that good with linux yet. i have seen guides and videos on the net showing it's possible to run linux distro nicely. but the dual boot install needs some tweaking.

The stock Shift doesn't support telephony on the WM side at all, you have to flash a different ROM to the WinMo side to enable phone functions, and you then have to either use the wired headset or a bluetooth one to have private calls, IE, ones that aren't played through the stereo speakers of the device.

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ubuntu needs some work too but i'm just not that good with linux yet. i have seen guides and videos on the net showing it's possible to run linux distro nicely. but the dual boot install needs some tweaking.
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ubuntu was giving me problems, i switched to 8.04 beta of kubuntu and found a driver pack by searching "ubuntu on shift". It did not work with ubuntu 8.04, kept saying wrong kernel, kubuntu 8.04 worked though, easy install and has bluetooth and wifi in kubuntu, touchscreen works too.

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Who wants to make some cash?

Here's the deal.
I need someone in the US to update my just purchased SX56 to windows mobile 2003 and I would also like to get the digitravel GPS. I will buy that separately and mail the machine to them and if they could do the upgrade that would be great. As far as the digitravel, I would like to have that set up so I can use the phone at the same time as the GPS, and have the power sources done the most efficient way as listed on all the forums. Let me know if anyone is interested in doing this and what they would charge. You guys are sitting here soldering and stuff and I can't even get my windows media player to play mp3's. I don't consider myself computer illiterate, but I am certainly getting frustrated w/ this thing!!!!
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Here's the deal.
I need someone in the US to update my just purchased SX56 to windows mobile 2003 and I would also like to get the digitravel GPS. I will buy that separately and mail the machine to them and if they could do the upgrade that would be great. As far as the digitravel, I would like to have that set up so I can use the phone at the same time as the GPS, and have the power sources done the most efficient way as listed on all the forums. Let me know if anyone is interested in doing this and what they would charge. You guys are sitting here soldering and stuff and I can't even get my windows media player to play mp3's. I don't consider myself computer illiterate, but I am certainly getting frustrated w/ this thing!!!!
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I upgraded to WM 2003 by going to this site:
http://lumpistefan.dyndns.org
He's German, and his instructions in English take a very close read, but his "WM2003 Final" Version A.30.09 ENG brought me up to Microsoft Pocket PC Version 4.20.0 (Build 13349).
Seems to be working mighty fine.
All the best, Carey
Leaponover, the digitraveller was a great idea at the time, however prices fo gps units have fallen dramatically and you are making work for yourself, just buy an off the shelf gps that is made for the job, a haicom 204e or 203e, or any other cheap unit will work great and you wont have the problem of charging the xda becuase they all come with dual charging/power cables.

08 Altima Bluetooth

We just bought an '08 Altima with the bluetooth option. I can pair the XV6800 with no problem, but quality sucks. It is super choppy on my end and the person on the other end can't hear me at all. I tried my wifes XV6800, same thing. I can pair my old E815 and it works perfectly, so it's not the car. I tried a hard reset, no difference.
I tried loading dcd's clean rom 1.6.7, no difference. Is the BT stack upgraded in this rom?
Is there a newer BT stack out there that I could try?
Its worth downloading and trying the Jetware BT Extensions and see if that helps....but usually it does not change quality so much as enable functionality.
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Brad
Thanks for the suggestion, but it didn't help.
Developer help with Infiniti/Nissan Bluetooth?
I've got the exact same issue with an '07 Infiniti G35 w/navigation. I've been doing lots of reading on the xv6800's bluetooth, have tried DCD's and Custel's roms, and was just about to start my own thread, but I'll bet our cars are the same bluetooth/rom wise.
Jetware didn't help me either.
Here's the best fix I've found and it works for me consistently.
-Whence the option's available depending on whether you're dialing out or receiving, click the "use handset" button (transfers call to the xv6800).
-Shortly after press the "phone" button (transfers call back through car).
-Should work as expected after that.
Anyway, at this point I'm hoping one of the kind devs on this forum (DCD or Custel to name just two of many) might find a sec to help us out, although I'm aware and appreciate the fact that many other users are keeping them very busy on their own projects.
I'm assuming the xv6800's hardware would be most similar to other HTC pda phones (not sure what happens between GSM and CDMA devices), so here's a list of their phones who's bluetooth does work with my car (from here). It supports the bluetooth in 144 phones total.
Kaiser (wasn't working with stock rom, but works after this patch from HTC)
Hermes
Atlas
Wizard
Apache
Magician
Harrier
HTC pda phones that don't work with my car (at least not 100%).
Vogue
Elf
Titan
The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
In addition to the stock Verizon rom I've tried DCD's 1.6.1, 1.6.7, and Custel's 1.1 with no change in the symptoms.
It's my understanding the dev community thinks modding the Vogue's bluetooth for the Titan shows the most promise. I found this thread mentioning an alternative, but it seems to have gone stale on another forum. I'd prefer not to use that forum.
I understand the Vogue's bluetooth might show the most promise for general bluetooth applications (which would satisfy the most users), but becuase I plan to use bluetooth solely through this car, does anyone know if I might be able to go an easier route given the information I've provided?
I'm using radio 1.40.00, could 1.47.01 make a difference?
Can anything be learned through HTC's Kaiser update patch?
Are there any bluetooth alternatives being tested that I haven't found?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
OK. I tried what you said and confirm the same results on the '08 Altima. If I switch to handset and back to Bluetooth, the sound is clear (weird). The only problem is, I can't switch until a call is in progress. This is a work around, but not a good one. We need a BT stack that fixes this. Or maybe firmware upgrade from the auto manufacturer.
I know this is going to sounds like a cheap shot, but it sounds to me like something needs to be fixed on Nissan's side. I've tried mine in an Accura without any problem, however both of your stereos are manufactured by Nissan.
A word of advice: I always found that auto makers should stick to what they do- namely, make cars. If Nissan were so great at BT stereos, you'd see nissan headsets.
I never bother with factory Bluetooth anymore- I swapped my stereo right away for a decent Sony Xplod system that supports A2DP (wireless stereo) as well as phone calls. The aftermarket stereo not only sounds great, but I play all my music from my phone without taking it out of my pocket. Last I checked, no stock car stereos supported this. Sony is good at stereo and bluetooth (been around the block a few times).
Complain to Nissan. Or swap your stereo for something decent.
My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima. In the fact the audio quality is better than the Sanyo Katana that I also have paired. I am dispointed that I cannt answer calls from both phones on the car headset without first selecting the phone that has an incoming call. Even my At&T home phone with bluetooth can do that although it does require you to select a cellphone for outgoing calls.
I was able to upload a contact entry from my 6700 to the car Download phonebook. However, I can not get that into the more usable phonebook directory. Anyone succeed in doing that?
shannl said:
My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima.
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You might be in the wrong forum. The Titan is a 6800, not a 6700.
yes, but this thread is discussing the Altima BT stereo. Truthfully, this whole thread should go in a more general BT forum, since I don't think it pertains to the 6800 exactly.
08 altima bluetooth
Just wanted to say thanks to Park City for posting the name of the web site with the bluetooth extentions (jetwaremobile.com). I have just recently purchased an 08 Altima with the Nav system and bluetooth. I have an Tmobile MDA with a cooked ROM running WM6 and I could not get the entire outlook phone book to download to the car. Once I installed the jetware mobile extentions everything worked just fine. I even got some additional functionality I was not expecting like signal strengh and battery status on the nav srceen. As for voice quality, it's never been an issue for me. So far anyway
As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars. I don't know what they mean by 'testing', but that's what is going on right now.
http://www.nissanusa.com/bluetooth/...gation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=51&y=16
http://www.infiniti.com/bluetooth/t...igation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=42&y=9
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As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars.
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I saw that too, but I don't have a lot of confidence they'll be releasing a bluetooth update any time soon. That's why I was hoping the Titan's bluetooth hardware might be similar enough to the hardware in one of the devices that DO work with our cars (Kaiser, etc., list in my earlier post) that their bluetooth software could be ported "easily" to the Titan. I'm sure the devs here are trying to get the Titan's bluetooth to work as well as possible for everyone's devices, which makes sense. However, with California's new "handsfree driving" law starting July '08, I'm only concerned with getting the Titan to work with my car.
Apparently no one's too sure if that's possible.
1. have any of you verified first hand that the kaiser does in fact work?
2. could someone research and identify the bt hardware in the kaiser, and the titan?
3. has anyone run the kaiser bt fix on their titan and tried it?
i suppose i never thought to look at the kaiser's bt. mine still functions after applying that kaiser patch..
the kaiser patch is a replacement TIInit_4_2_38.bts file
this file did not exist in any titan roms prior to 2.16
2.16 introduced this file (i compared md5 and its not the same data)
2.17, htcs supposed 'fix', does NOT contain this file
all vogue roms i have seen DO contain this file, but again its different data
maybe you guys are on to something
i will throw something together tomorrow probably...drinking time.
dcd, thanks for the help, enjoy those drinks!
1. Not first hand, I'm going off this post. That thread's also why I believe the Kaiser wasn't working with the car before the patch.
2. I've spent a lot of time trying, but have come up empty on any detailed hardware specs.
3. I just ran the Kaiser patch and the bluetooth functions the same as it does without the patch.
I'm using a rom from your 1.6.7 kitchen with nothing else added (rom's working great, btw). I had the same issue with the stock Verizon rom.
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
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this post
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good enough for me
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
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maybe...i dont know how the file functions and ties into the others yet
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The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
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i take it they are completely different head units?
I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it. I have been just using my Platronics Discover 640 for the BT these days... It'd be nice if someone can come up with a solution for this...
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i take it they are completely different head units?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
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I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it.
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Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
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Once connected, I get a really static noise from my end while in the conversation. Of course, it'a really not usable at all....
I'm going to try the reconnecting method that was mentioned above today. I'll come back and report the outcome. And thanks for the help BTW.
EDIT: BTW, my Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to
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whoa, someone hook me up with a G35 to uh, test
Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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well, peices of it maybe. i would blindly guess that the kaiser is closer to titan than hermes, but we need to exactly identify the bt chip in each. plus its still shady then, ie the kaiser has tnetw1251 for wlan same as the titan and I cannot get their newer wlan driver to work on my device.
what we really need to look at is previous bt stack modifications for other devices. i need a better understanding of tiinit_blah. I've also noticed that the devices that work have a more extensive, or a 2nd audiopara file that sets values for some bt devices. to be completely honest right now i dont know what im looking at and i need to figure out how it all fits together before i know where to start.
Well, I tried reconnect method from both phone and the car, but neither did anything at all. The quality is still crappy as heck. Man... I reallly wish this works.
EDIT: Actually my side of the speaker was complete static, and the other side could not hear what I was saying AT ALL. This efing blows.

Skype on the shift

Hi
according to this video from JKontherun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1nlwLJefZE
skype is not working well on the shift, i dont seem to have any problems with it, but i havent used it that much, anybody run in to any problems?
Maybe it is the us version that have problems only
regards,
Allan
I find Skype video conference call performance to be pretty poor (at least with Aero on) using both the GSM and CDMA versions of the Shift. I haven't found an Intel A110 800MHz UMPC yet that handles Skype video calls smoothly under Vista .
Maybe with a little overclocking it will help Skype performance. I use Skype myself so when I get my device I hope we can get the overclocking resolved and see what happens.
Anyone take performance measurements to see what else, if anything, is tagging CPU and RAM when Skype is running? Maybe it will help if Vista itself is optimized a little.
skype is horrible in performances .. i have never been able to have a good video conference with skype .. it is the worst application ever :/
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skype is horrible in performances .. i have never been able to have a good video conference with skype .. it is the worst application ever :/
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Have you ever tried ICQ's video conf? I tried it a few years back and it was awesome.
ltxda said:
Have you ever tried ICQ's video conf? I tried it a few years back and it was awesome.
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i don't remember that there was video conf on ICQ ! I should have tried but I was not a big ICQ user, and I haven't used ICQ for about 4 years.
I'd like Windows Live Call to be working here in Belgium .. because I have found that WinLiveMessenger was better than skype for video conf and audio call but the phone ability is not working here
So i've been doing some experiments and found a peculiarity... first i disabled all the Vista special effects (optimised for performance) and then stopped anything extra from starting up to conserve CPU and memory.
Now when i run Skype 3.6 and make a test call the CPU settles around 80% and if i use the inbuilt mic and speakers everything is fine. Audio quality is actually pretty good.
The problems start when i plug the headset in that came with the shift. Then, no matter how i try, the audio from the mic is choppy and makes a call impossible...
I tried to update the Realtek drivers but it says that they are the latest...
What's going on here? Why would it perform so poorly when i use the inbuilt headset? (i assume the mic's not broken...)
Anyone else had these troubles? Any suggestions? Would other audio drivers work?
Btw, i've also managed to do some pretty acceptable Video calls now too.
salmon said:
So i've been doing some experiments and found a peculiarity... first i disabled all the Vista special effects (optimised for performance) and then stopped anything extra from starting up to conserve CPU and memory.
Now when i run Skype 3.6 and make a test call the CPU settles around 80% and if i use the inbuilt mic and speakers everything is fine. Audio quality is actually pretty good.
The problems start when i plug the headset in that came with the shift. Then, no matter how i try, the audio from the mic is choppy and makes a call impossible...
I tried to update the Realtek drivers but it says that they are the latest...
What's going on here? Why would it perform so poorly when i use the inbuilt headset? (i assume the mic's not broken...)
Anyone else had these troubles? Any suggestions? Would other audio drivers work?
Btw, i've also managed to do some pretty acceptable Video calls now too.
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i bet once ltxda gets some time and the device he will get skype or a good alternative working well on the shift. btw, does video confrencing using the cam via windows live messenger work?
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i bet once ltxda gets some time and the device he will get skype or a good alternative working well on the shift. btw, does video confrencing using the cam via windows live messenger work?
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Video confewrence works in windows live messenger with the built in cam. with aero and co running it lags little bit but works.
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Video confewrence works in windows live messenger with the built in cam. with aero and co running it lags little bit but works.
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thats good. will be nice if the whole shift project team can do video confrencing over msn
Under Winxp tablet
skype video conf works very well under Winxp tablet, as same as MSN
bg4qqz said:
skype video conf works very well under Winxp tablet, as same as MSN
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so i guess it just sucks under vista. kind of expected since i dont think the tablet edition uses as much resources as vista.
i remove virtual disk of winxp, there about 500M ram free, winxp and the application software under the system runs very fluently,and the LED of HD seldom flash.
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i remove virtual disk of winxp, there about 500M ram free, winxp and the application software under the system runs very fluently,and the LED of HD seldom flash.
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nice find. looks like we all should go to xp tablet edition. or maybe ltxda will be able to optimize vista for us.
Hi, sounds excellent to me. Any chance of a "how to" guide for getting to where you are bg4qqz? i.e. Win XP Tablet + removing the virtual disk?
just use USB DVD driver to install winxp tablet, I tried 3 unit of DVD drivers, only one works, others two failed to installation system, just show blue screen with erro withe chats, then reboot.
I don't have xp drivers for WLAN, touch screen, BT and resolution button. others worked well
in my office, i use USB lan adapter, keyboard, and big LCD monitior work with shift to replace desktop, out side, i use shift edge connection for xp, and HTC S1 as the wifi adapter for shift.
Hope you guys get the drivers for xp done soon.
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just use USB DVD driver to install winxp tablet, I tried 3 unit of DVD drivers, only one works, others two failed to installation system, just show blue screen with erro withe chats, then reboot.
I don't have xp drivers for WLAN, touch screen, BT and resolution button. others worked well
in my office, i use USB lan adapter, keyboard, and big LCD monitior work with shift to replace desktop, out side, i use shift edge connection for xp, and HTC S1 as the wifi adapter for shift.
Hope you guys get the drivers for xp done soon.
I live in Suzhou, China.
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yep. coming as soon as we get the devices in. shouldn't be too much longer.
msn on shift
quote for msn on shift. tried a lot of time and videocalls works fine, with sidebar, stardock object, sp1 on.
no lag, no problems,
seems to work very well
Pitt1983
pitt1983 said:
quote for msn on shift. tried a lot of time and videocalls works fine, with sidebar, stardock object, sp1 on.
no lag, no problems,
seems to work very well
Pitt1983
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ok thanx for the info. sounds good.

Drag retarded Hero into 21st century

Bluetooth has been available on mobile phones for almost 10 years
My shiny new Hero which I consider to be an excellent piece of work is pretty useless in this department....file transfers hands free connection etc
If a phone that costs £30 from tescos can do this why cant the £400 quid hero?
Why is android incapable of this extremely basic functionality? Why are android phones on sale at all? the OS is not finished and will not be untill Bluetooth just works.
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Don't just blame Google tho... Android is open source and the Hero's version is a seperate dev branch to the cupcake 1.5 thats on standard 'Google' phones. I mean they must have fiddled with it anyway as some things that worked on the standard 1.5 build don't work on the Hero.
So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
Unfortunately, Apple showed that the market will accept reduced functionality in devices, when they shipped the original iPhone.
However, with respect to Google, I fully agree that nearly a year down the line since the G1 was launched, they should've got further than they have with Bluetooth support.
Regards,
Dave
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon. It's also the reason you get "with Google" phones, if you want a pure Android OS those are the phones you buy.
HTC should have seized the opportunity to fix some of the glaring ommisions from Android, epecially considering that there is no indication that any more bluetooth profiles are included in donut.
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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Just get BlueX and use one of the many methods to root the phone, then you'll have full send/receive bluetooth capabilities. It's very easy.
does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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I for one have not beeen able to get Bluex to work on Hero neither Root explorer????
Ok (Grits teeth)
Still love the phone would still buy it (friends probably wont till bluetooth fixed) would have liked a choice on the bluetooth though.
If the reviewers were paying more attention to the bluetooth deficiency I am sure google would be urgently fixing it!
Guess will have to wait. Please dont hesitate to let us all know when you find out they've fixed it
Ovek said:
The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon.
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Yes it is - and the bluetooth APIs are part of that base!
Google were very specific about why they chose not to ship Android with broken APIs (see http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html ). If HTC had "done their own thing" they too would have been committed to support this for years to come.
As a developer, personally I'd be happy to wait for a single fit-for-purpose API to come to Android, than support a wide variety of vendor-specific extensions.
If Android wants to gain serious traction in the Smartphone market, they need to look at Apple and the iPhone. Here you've a single software and hardware platform which is going to make application development far simpler.
It is ok to build on top of the Android platform (as you said yourself), but if each handset vendor goes about changing the underlying nuts and bolts differently this will adversely affect market acceptance of the platform.
Regards,
Dave
so bluetooth does not work on shipped devices?
it works on the htcmagic hero rom but not on the dream hero rom. hack
i wonder why
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
rhedgehog said:
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
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Hero supports a few more profiles than just headsets.
From the HTC website:
Q.
What Bluetooth profiles are supported?
The phone supports Bluetooth Headset, Handsfree, A2DP, and AVRCP profiles. You can connect your phone to a Bluetooth hands-free headset or a Bluetooth car kit and use those devices to listen to music and send and/or receive calls. Transferring files between your phone and PC using Bluetooth is not yet supported.
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We won't see file transfer or OBEX until Google finalize the bluetooth APIs.
Regards,
Dave
puckoon said:
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
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Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
RussST24 said:
Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
The Bluetooth kit in my Land Rover Discovery 3 can pull the contacts list off my Hero and also notify me of who is calling in the head unit.
Pretty sure its not been pulled off my Nokia N85 when I used that as there is no storage in the kit as far as I am aware.
Its also just to note - a Nokia kit sourced / OEM'd by Land Rover and is the standard Bluetooth PTI they factory build.
ewans said:
How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
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No, I have the same car kit, it just works as is from the box.
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
mightycaz said:
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Your BT headset should be fine, as for video play back... well it's poor. And as for Core player it won't be out for long time (if ever!).

[Q] Nexus 7 as a bluetooth headset?

Hey guys
I'm using my nexus 7 dashed in my car. (Kinda!)
And i'm using tablet talk to connect my phone with it.
Also i have a bluetooth keyboard connected to my tab.
When i have a text, i can answer it easily. But when someone calls me and i accept the call the sound doesn't come from my car audio and my sound doesnt go through my tablet's mic. They bouth go through my phone!
So i have to use my n7 as a bluetooth headset for my phone. Is it possible?
Can anyone guide me?
No one? nothing? no helps? no ideas? cool!!! :|
For God's sake!!!
guys, this will be great. pleeeaaaase, consider developing or sth.
Cool it, seriously. The forum hardly revolves around this one post.
Given the way the Bluetooth radios are set up, it's not really an easy hack and you'd probably have better luck using a dedicated app over Wi-Fi direct or something (of course, such an app would have to exist as well in the first place). I remember looking into this for the iPod Touch a while back and didn't see anything either, but hopefully you'll have better luck.
Rirere said:
Cool it, seriously. The forum hardly revolves around this one post.
Given the way the Bluetooth radios are set up, it's not really an easy hack and you'd probably have better luck using a dedicated app over Wi-Fi direct or something (of course, such an app would have to exist as well in the first place). I remember looking into this for the iPod Touch a while back and didn't see anything either, but hopefully you'll have better luck.
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Well it WAS an easy hack, It's just a case of setting the configuration files up correctly. You get the N7 to advertize the Headset service and an Roberts your father brother as they say. I just about had it setup a couple of months back...... I want to control the full telephony service through the N7 show incoming calls and all the fun stuff.... As a first step I got the voice routing through the N7 Microphone through a handset and onto the caller. However I stopped there because that was using android 4.1.1 and I want to be using the latest build... Which is where your right out of luck because 4.2 onwards is a different beast,
Google decided to replace a tried and tested well documented fully implemented Bluetooth Stack with something that's not quite finished yet whose documentation is the source code. That's why there's no Low Energy stuff on Android yet..... It could and should have been implemented last year, anyway I digress. So the options are
1. Use a rom prior to 4.2 - In which case the Bluez is well documented and this sort of problem has been solved multiple times on the linux desktop and the same ideas can be applied to Android, Google is your Friend
2. put the old stack back in and work with that, There's patches that do that but they are all a bit brutal and would be a nightmare to maintain.,
3. Wait for the Missing Code to be added, which could be tomorrow but It could be never
4. write the code yourself..... Fine if you're an expert in that area but the learning curve is inclined shall we say.
or,
5. You could spam XDA daily with requests .
Personally I put this project to one side because my nexus 7 is out on loan to my brother after he decided to bathe his HTC OneX in Lucozade for an hour...
trevd said:
Well it WAS an easy hack, It's just a case of setting the configuration files up correctly. You get the N7 to advertize the Headset service and an Roberts your father brother as they say. I just about had it setup a couple of months back...... I want to control the full telephony service through the N7 show incoming calls and all the fun stuff.... As a first step I got the voice routing through the N7 Microphone through a handset and onto the caller. However I stopped there because that was using android 4.1.1 and I want to be using the latest build... Which is where your right out of luck because 4.2 onwards is a different beast,
Google decided to replace a tried and tested well documented fully implemented Bluetooth Stack with something that's not quite finished yet whose documentation is the source code. That's why there's no Low Energy stuff on Android yet..... It could and should have been implemented last year, anyway I digress. So the options are
1. Use a rom prior to 4.2 - In which case the Bluez is well documented and this sort of problem has been solved multiple times on the linux desktop and the same ideas can be applied to Android, Google is your Friend
2. put the old stack back in and work with that, There's patches that do that but they are all a bit brutal and would be a nightmare to maintain.,
3. Wait for the Missing Code to be added, which could be tomorrow but It could be never
4. write the code yourself..... Fine if you're an expert in that area but the learning curve is inclined shall we say.
or,
5. You could spam XDA daily with requests .
Personally I put this project to one side because my nexus 7 is out on loan to my brother after he decided to bathe his HTC OneX in Lucozade for an hour...
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tnx for your answer.
but how can this be so hard?!
i used to do this with my laptop! :S

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