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I just looked at the Vibrant today. I am trying out the Sprint EVO and have not made up my mind (have 3 more weeks to decide). I have been very curious with all the hubub surrounding this new screen. "brilliant" "incredible" "vibrant" etc are terms that all the review sites are throwing around.
Now that I have seen it, it is true. The colors really pop. However, I am torn. On the one hand, S-AMOLED colors are very rich. It has better color saturation for video, and photos colors pop a bit more on the S-AMOLED vs the evo's LCD and the viewing angles are GREAT! There is almost no hazing effect when viewed from the side. WOW
On the other hand, even though both devices have 800x480 displays the text looks jagged on the Vibrant. Icons while very bright, do not look smooth. Very small text that is readable on the EVO is illegible on the Vibrant (for example viewing web pages zoomed all the way out). Pictures when viewed at the same zoom level look sharper and more detailed on the LCD screen. It appears that the actual resolution is less on the S-AMOLED than the TFT.
What is going on here? Why does it look this way. For me a large part of my phone is reading text, why does it appear more jagged and fuzzier? Does anyone have any insight?
Oh, and also the maximum brightness is lower on the Vibrant (not that I ever use max brightness) somehow whites look just a little dirty/grey in comparison.
Anyone have any insight into this resolution issue?
It's most likely a pentile screen...
Search for Arestechnica article about the issue with the Nexus one screen and the Pentile layout technology. In other words we're not getting "true" resolution where each pixel can display all 3 colors. I can't post links since I am a newb.
Interesting read...I only skimmed it. Kinda lame if you ask me. AMOLED has not shown to be battery saving enough for the technology to be useful in my opinion. Iphone 4 and Droid X as well as the EVO has shown LCD technology has shown there's still a lot to love about old tech.
http:// arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
Remove the space between the Http:// and the link for the Ars Technica Article about pentile displays.
VERY informative. Essentially each pixel in a pentile display is not capable of displaying all three Red Green and Blue colors. 3 sub pixels are combined from an array of RGB subpixles and processing is used to smooth it out. A pentile display used in AMOLED has an addressable resolution of 392x653.
from the article:
"you could think about this display as taking the 480x800 input image and scaling it down to 392x653 image, using subpixel positioning to reduce the apparent blurriness as much as possible."
That IS lame. This explains why it looks so much fuzzier.
Thanks.
Now the question is, is it worth the trade off for power efficiency and color saturation...? Hmmm
Ehh...I don't feel so envious towards those with the Super AMOLED screens all of a sudden. Sure my colors might not be as vibrant, but at least it's working the way it's supposed to .
^^haha yea agreed, its all hype.
I didn't read the article but isn't this partially to avoid screen burn in? I remember hearing AMOLED screens have problems with burn in.
sure everyone loves the super super-amoled display of our sgs's.
but even in casual usage- not looking under microscope,
i can make out the dots making up every font. small fonts look bad.
and in landscape its even more noticeable.
in the android running on my topaz , i cant make out the dots.
so is it the bigger screen, with poor dpi or an issue specific to amoled?
is dithering off , if so any way to turn it on?
or is it just me/ should i get my eyes etc tested?
4-inches of nexus 1 res = that.
afaik the black dots are a physical limitation so you can't really software fix that
personally i don't have a problem with it, they're noticeable only on very small fonts (its ok on "only pretty damn small" haha)
Unfortunately text is not the Galaxy S' screen's strong point, because it uses a PenTile layout - rather than having red, green and blue (RGB) subpixels to make up each pixel, it has an alternating pattern of RG and BG subpixels, using interpolation to provide proper colours over the full screen resolution. However, while this is fine for graphics, it's not as crisp for text. I was concerned about this before getting the phone; it's livable with though, as I usually hold the phone just far enough away that I don't notice.
There's nothing that can be done about it, because it's hardware, and it's a tradeoff for having the Super AMOLED screen. The Nexus One and Desire, which have (until recently, anyway) AMOLED screens, also use a PenTile matrix.
Mithent said:
Unfortunately text is not the Galaxy S' screen's strong point, because it uses a PenTile layout - rather than having red, green and blue (RGB) subpixels to make up each pixel, it has an alternating pattern of RG and BG subpixels, using interpolation to provide proper colours over the full screen resolution. However, while this is fine for graphics, it's not as crisp for text. I was concerned about this before getting the phone; it's livable with though, as I usually hold the phone just far enough away that I don't notice.
There's nothing that can be done about it, because it's hardware, and it's a tradeoff for having the Super AMOLED screen. The Nexus One and Desire, which have (until recently, anyway) AMOLED screens, also use a PenTile matrix.
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Thanks that was very informative.
Can someone explain how is the vibrant screen better or crisper if they are both 480x800 and the G2 being a .3 inches smaller has many more pixels per inches then the vibrant with results in better resolution
So the question is why is the vibrant screen suposely crisper than the G2???
To be honest I seen both and the G2 looks crisper than the vibrant but just want to know how does the vibrant has a better screen like so many people say
I think it's because samsung has a super AMOLED screen while the G2 has a SLCD screen? I'm not 100% sure about the G2's screen type though.
Vibrants are SAMOLED, so the colors are deeper, brighter, and 'over saturated.' But, it can look a little funky since each pixel is 3 seperate entities (red, green, blue).
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/spot-the-difference-htc-desires-slcd-versus-amoled/
Better to compare in person with the phones next to each other though.
I've had both, and I will tell you that the g2s screen is definitely crisper because of the pen-tile arrangement (rg-bg separate pixels instead of rgb all in one pixel) in the vibrant, but it has very "vibrant" (no pun intended) colors and absolute blacks, and it looks great. Depends on if u prefer sharper text and a decent screen or better colors and blacks
I must say that when I was buying my G2 at radioshack they had a vibrant sitting on the table playing a video and the first thing I thought when I looked at it was: NOO WTF ITS DIAGONAL XD. SCREENS SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
It was actually hurting my eyes looking at it. Also the oranges in the video looked like red. They also almost looked like they were bleeding. I also noticed that the video was stuttering a lot lol.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
I knew it the G2 does have crisper screen. I did notice that when I was playing with the at&t galxy phone and the screen was not better than the G2 the colors are way too bright and oversaturated and the screen was less sharper of course since G2 has many more pixels per inches. But the sharpest screen up to date I've seen is the sidekick lx 09 tho. I had the phone and was 480x800 on a 3.2 display meaning it had many more pixels per inches then the iphone and the G2. However colors weren't that great on the sidekick but it was a very crisp screen to bad it is so small.
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Vibrants are SAMOLED, so the colors are deeper, brighter, and 'over saturated.' But, it can look a little funky since each pixel is 3 seperate entities (red, green, blue).
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/spot-the-difference-htc-desires-slcd-versus-amoled/
Better to compare in person with the phones next to each other though.
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I saw that website and I just confirm my though once again. I don't like samoled display colors tho they are too bright the slcd looks more realistic, like the samoled looks like a tv with too much color on.
Crusher16 said:
Vibrants are SAMOLED, so the colors are deeper, brighter, and 'over saturated.' But, it can look a little funky since each pixel is 3 seperate entities (red, green, blue).
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/spot-the-difference-htc-desires-slcd-versus-amoled/
Better to compare in person with the phones next to each other though.
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Sorry but I think the video in that link is playing music from Pokemon Pinball >.>
Hi all, long time lurker (I had an MDA from T-Mobile a longgg time ago), first post for years
I really want a Nexus S, and I went to Best Buy today, and the screen just looked terrible; text looked significantly worse than the iPhone 4 and Moto's Droids. Very fuzzy, very obvious pixels. I felt the same way looking at the Galaxy S in the Verizon store. The only thing that I liked was the black depth.
I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
However, both of them had screen protectors applied, which I could believe mucks up the PenTile rendering and makes the screens look worse than they are.
How are other peoples' Nexus S/Galaxy S? Is it just the protector? Is it me, or have other people noticed the same thing?
It bums me out, because I was super hyped for a Nexus (I like that it's open, that it plays well with all the Google services I use), but it didn't make me love it the same way the iPhone 4 wants you to love it, and it's mostly due to the screen.
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Hi all, long time lurker (I had an MDA from T-Mobile a longgg time ago), first post for years
I really want a Nexus S, and I went to Best Buy today, and the screen just looked terrible; text looked significantly worse than the iPhone 4 and Moto's Droids. Very fuzzy, very obvious pixels. I felt the same way looking at the Galaxy S in the Verizon store. The only thing that I liked was the black depth.
I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
However, both of them had screen protectors applied, which I could believe mucks up the PenTile rendering and makes the screens look worse than they are.
How are other peoples' Nexus S/Galaxy S? Is it just the protector? Is it me, or have other people noticed the same thing?
It bums me out, because I was super hyped for a Nexus (I like that it's open, that it plays well with all the Google services I use), but it didn't make me love it the same way the iPhone 4 wants you to love it, and it's mostly due to the screen.
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I love this screen, chances are it is a poorly applied screen protector
Text just doesn't look as, sharp as the Droid or iPhone 4 because they have lcd screens with full 3 color pixels per full pixel. Amoled screens do not, they use pentile sub pixel layout which alternates green and blue sub pixels effectively sharing between pixels. It's a cheaper way to manufacture the more expensive amoled technology. But the cost is less sharp text. Nothing you can do about it.
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Text just doesn't look as, sharp as the Droid or iPhone 4 because they have lcd screens with full 3 color pixels per full pixel. Amoled screens do not, they use pentile sub pixel layout which alternates green and blue sub pixels effectively sharing between pixels. It's a cheaper way to manufacture the more expensive amoled technology. But the cost is less sharp text. Nothing you can do about it.
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...and after two replies, we get one which loves the screen and one which says it's just the way it is! I don't have any wish to get a phone that plays videos nicely... I spend all my time using Google Reader, Gmail and browsing.
As a point of reference, I would say the text and pixel spacing both looked worse than my first generation iPod Touch. I could believe the color rendering was better.
I'd really like a good way of finding out if it was just a dodgy screen protector in both stores without dropping 530 bucks at Best Buy then instantly returning it if it isn't any better.
the SAMOLED screen is what keeps me coming back to yet another Samsung phone, even though their product quality is HORRIBLE! (GPS / Internal SD)
the SAMOLED screen is way too addictive, that tells you much about the screen, it's like having 1080p in your phone!
colors are the best in the market, and there's nothing that can match up to a SAMOLED crispy display and vivid color
yes, it is true it does suck up a lot of power when you use it at the NICE settings.
and yes, SAMOLED is move lively than the Restina Display of the iphone
I would judge the SAMOLED screen on the Galaxy S series to be more vibrant, but the LCD on the iPhone is unparalleled in its resolution:screen size ratio as far as I'm concerned. You can't even pick out individual pixels, it's a thing of beauty. Now, SAMOLED enthusiasts will say the screen is smaller so the resolution isn't actually that great and blah blah blah, but as someone who owns a Nexus S (mostly) without regrets, I still say I think the Retina Display is damn attractive, especially when it comes to displaying very fine patterns and text on solid backgrounds.
Whether Retina or SAMOLED is preferable depends on equal parts usage habits and user preference, I'd say, but the truth is (to my eye anyway) yes, individual pixels stand out more and solid-color backgrounds (especially white ones) and fine details look inferior on the SGS (Nexus S included). I'm not an iPhone fan, but I give credit where it's due, and smaller screen though it may be, it's still purdy.
I dunno, the terrible text rendering is enough to make me want to get a Droid or something, but I really don't fancy throwing my weight behind a handset that doesn't support openness and updates like the Nexus S.
I wonder if what I really want is to try and find an SLCD Nexus One...?
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I wonder if what I really want is to try and find an SLCD Nexus One...?
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yes, that's what you want......
If you already looked at SAMOLED and didn't like it, just move on.
Zagg screen and body protectors are best,non scrachable ,invisible.....
Sent from my Desire HD
It is the PENTILE matrix of the SAMOLED screen which is to blame, not the AMOLED technology. There are RGB AMOLED screens, take the Nokia N8 for example. Pentile is what causes text to look fuzzy. People who don't notice it and say the screen is just as sharp (text-wise) as a normal LCD just have bad vision, simple as that. =)
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I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
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Its more likely that people who see it fuzzy actually have the bad vision.
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dinan said:
It is the PENTILE matrix of the SAMOLED screen which is to blame, not the AMOLED technology. There are RGB AMOLED screens, take the Nokia N8 for example. Pentile is what causes text to look fuzzy. People who don't notice it and say the screen is just as sharp (text-wise) as a normal LCD just have bad vision, simple as that. =)
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Yes exactly. This isn't guessing, its straight fact. Just Google search the term "nexus pentile pixel layout" and read the professional articles discussing the tech and its pros and cons. Text just looks fuzzy, but you make up for it in other areas. Trade off you need to pick.
I'm about done with AMOLED panels and I'm about done with the S7 because of it. Ever since phones went quad HD (Turbo, S6, Nexus 6, Turbo 2, Note 5, 6P, S7, etc), this has been a problem, and unfortunately it still seems to exist on the S7. This is my second one - the first one had it in a different area on the screen and it was even worse. It's the pink fade on light or white backgrounds. Once you see it you can't unsee it. I'm sure some will come in here and say they can't see it. I noticed it looks all white at the right angle so if you're not seeing it, you might move your screen a bit. Also, the first image (the horizontal one) shows it the most b/c it has the subtle camera lines which make the fade even more obvious. Not sure if there's a point to this except to vent a bit and, I guess, see if anybody else has had this issue on theirs. Given that the screen is supposed to be one of the main selling points of this device, it's hard to keep it when I see the fade every time a lighter background comes up...
Honestly, I don't really see one benefit to having an AMOLED panel any more - even the highest quality ones eventually deal with burn-in, the battery life is not any better, and they have inconsistencies which are apparently just par for the course. #frustrated
Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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I know what you're referring to with the refractive properties on Gorilla Glass 4 and this definitely isn't that. I'm even able to see the inconsistencies on darker backgrounds as well. I've uploaded two more photos, attached to this post. That's a solid dark grayish/blue background.
Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
Source: gizmag.com
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
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And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
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I don't know - obviously that's subjective, but even my iPhone 5S is still just as readable in sunlight, and having inconsistencies in the screen appearance on a $700 device, to me anyway, is hard to justify for the sake of pure blacks.
Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
Both types of screens obviously have their pros and cons but SAMOLED screens arguably do have more pros over lcds than cons imho!
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To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Master gtg! Thanks for the goodies of the Infuse 4G..
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To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Agree 100%. And at least the blacks on LCD's are consistent. They might not be "pure", but they are consistent unlike the whites in AMOLED.
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One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
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You call it superior, I call it over-saturated (), even still on the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, they look nice and my eyes get used to it after awhile, but no matter what I do the S7's screen (and S6's, and Turbo's, etc.) feels "cartoonish" to me when navigating through the UI. Every time I go back to LCD from AMOLED my eyes feel a small sense of relief - almost like the contrast was too much. I know that's not the norm, so fortunately we have choices. But I love everything about the S7 except, ironically, its screen because of these inconsistencies. I simply shouldn't be seeing a fade from white to pinkish grey on an all-white background on a 2016 flagship.
Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ?! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
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No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
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I see it, and i aggree with you but, color shift is more disturbing then losing brightness. Its not affecting when using phone most times but whenever i use my phone with one hand and try to open notifications, blue tint is appearing and i really hate it. Actually iam in love with blacks of amoled screen, but this thing is driving me crazy. Maybe i am just too sensitive this color changes.
And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
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And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
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It has to do with the varying luminescence and longevity of the various colored pixels. AMOLEDs have been like that since the beginning and it won't be fixed by the next generation of devices. Once you get in the habit of keeping the phone perpendicular to your eyes, it's not so bothersome. Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ��! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound so dogmatic. I really don't dislike AMOLEDs, the imperfections just frustrate me on such a high end device. You're exactly right that LCD's can also have flaws, but I see them much less than I see them in AMOLED panels - which is just inherent to the two different types of technology and how well the OEMs implement them. I was able to exchange the one in the photos of this thread for a new one (two guys at the store agreed it was an issue) and while the new one isn't perfect, it's MUCH better to where it's not all I see now.
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Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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There is truth in this statement. Despite my overall preference for LCD, when I use AMOLED for a period of time and go back, it's a two-fold reaction... one reaction is slight relief on my eyes, but the other reaction is getting used to the "dullness" - though I find I get used to that much faster than I get used to the high contrast when going from LCD to AMOLED. I would imagine if I stuck to a phone for more than a few months and that phone was AMOLED, the change back to LCD would be even more difficult.
if you have polarized sunglasses then lcd display is a curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5snWrD6txI
Disappointed this is still an issue with AMOLED screens, this frustrated me to no end on my Galaxy S2 where the screen would shift yellow from one end to the other. Glad you posted this thread as it's not a widely addressed issue, guess I'm going with HTC 10.
I've never noticed this on any of my AMOLED displays. Nor have I noticed any burn in, and I'm not sure what you mean by "other inconsistencies," but if you mean sample to sample variation that affects LCD panels, too. And if you don't like the high contrast, that's adjustable in Display settings.
What I have noticed is vibrant color and ease of using in daylight that no LCD panel can match. Or even come close to. I guess I'm done with LCDs.