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[Discussion] NAND boot Android on HD2 (No it doesn't exist, just development)

So, I figured with Android getting ported quite nicely and is fairly well along, we should start working on getting it flashed directly to NAND. Eliminate Windows Mobile all together. So here are my notes. All this stuff combined in some order and sense will make it able to flash NAND with Android. But for some reason I just can't piece it all together and make the puzzle fit. I am posting this in hopes that someone with enough skill can take the information and build what is needed.
Working Tinboot - This is what the core of NAND android flashing is.
NBH for installation (Examples) - Needed to install android. Flash nbh, install android, reboot
To test all of this we need the RESUMEADDR of the HD2. Then we can pass RESUMEINTOBOOT to haret. Then we can check if there is enough low-level hardware support to even boot Android yet. This can be gotten by using haretconsole. But I have yet been able to get the RESUMEADDR because of issues with my computer.
Thanks goes to dzo for pointing me in the right direction for all of this.

They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.

i agree but...
zarathustrax said:
They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.
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i agree with you, but this guy is asking for help do do a certain task.
I second you on your idea but there are people that would prefer to have a win mo. phone running android even if it runs slower or worst because some people just dont like wm. software.
By the way i cant help you jmztaylor because i just dont know...

zarathustrax said:
They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.
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well running android from sd card creates higher battery consumption. Am I right? this is a good argument.

jojo_angelov said:
well running android from sd card creates higher battery consumption. Am I right? this is a good argument.
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Yeah, that is true. Reading about the nand ports for other winmo devices show that battery is improved, but it still isn't no where near as good as winmo is with batteries. Power management is one of the issues that almost all android ports have.
At this point, i don't believe nand flashing is possible for the hd2... like i said, they need winmo to initialize many things. Also, once it is possible to flash nand, it probably won't have as much working hardware as the haret version until they get drivers that initialize all that hardware. If you look at some of the other nand flashable ports on other phones, things like wifi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc don't work while they work when you use the haret bootable version. We're still a long way away from booting from nand... at least a version functional enough to want to get rid of winmo.
I'm really curious as to what peoples reason is to want a nand flashable version so bad.... I've heard people say that winmo is still running in the background with haret, but thats just not true. You generally have a much more functional android when run of storage card than the nand flashable ports are. There may be a small increase in battery life and small increase in speed when flashed to nand, but you will lose a lot of functions until they find ways to initialize the hardware without winmo. And from what i've seen with the hd2 ports so far, I don't think we will have any issues with speed like they did with other devices, so I don't see nand being needed to increase speed.

cmon people, lets support the motion.. remember we are dealing with one of the best htc-winmo devices here, the one of a kind htc-hd2..
for me the point is not "what is the need of doing this", the point is "it can be done "
maybe one shouldnt rush to start flashing android on hd2, thats why alpha and beta versions are made, where one understands the risks but does it anyways for the fun experience.. n remember this is just the beginning of android on hd2, i think there is room for a whole lot of improvement

zarathustrax said:
Yeah, that is true. Reading about the nand ports for other winmo devices show that battery is improved, but it still isn't no where near as good as winmo is with batteries. Power management is one of the issues that almost all android ports have.
At this point, i don't believe nand flashing is possible for the hd2... like i said, they need winmo to initialize many things. Also, once it is possible to flash nand, it probably won't have as much working hardware as the haret version until they get drivers that initialize all that hardware. If you look at some of the other nand flashable ports on other phones, things like wifi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc don't work while they work when you use the haret bootable version. We're still a long way away from booting from nand... at least a version functional enough to want to get rid of winmo.
I'm really curious as to what peoples reason is to want a nand flashable version so bad.... I've heard people say that winmo is still running in the background with haret, but thats just not true. You generally have a much more functional android when run of storage card than the nand flashable ports are. There may be a small increase in battery life and small increase in speed when flashed to nand, but you will lose a lot of functions until they find ways to initialize the hardware without winmo. And from what i've seen with the hd2 ports so far, I don't think we will have any issues with speed like they did with other devices, so I don't see nand being needed to increase speed.
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why dont we just have it running from internal memory without flashing? it would solve the speed and battery problems and we would still get to keep winmo . or is there a reason this cannot happen?

Well, knowing that android builds (system and user data) take about 530MB, it would be a tad hard to stuff in the HD2's 512MB, of which about 300 are used by Winmo...
Maybe on the 1GB TMOUS though....

kilrah said:
Well, knowing that android builds (system and user data) take about 530MB, it would be a tad hard to stuff in the HD2's 512MB, of which about 300 are used by Winmo...
Maybe on the 1GB TMOUS though....
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but most of us have the 512 mb version

i would be interested in getting android stored on the device memory (Not a ROM flash). NRGZ28 released a winmo version that is very small (50 or 60MB) leaving me with 800Mb+ of internal storage. what must be changed to get HaRET to look in internal storage for the files and store information there?

This should be a very good discussion..btw ive been running off of sd card for a while now and battery consumption isn't that bad at all

As far as I see it, a major problem is for any non TMOUS HD2 owners an SD card will always be mandatory. Even if you are able to fit the whole system into the half sized NAND, there wouldn't be much room left for anything else.
And even on the TMOUS, it would be good to put Android and the Apps on internal memory, and have everything else on the storage card, like pics and such.
Main reasons I see for doing this, is once it's working a version that doesn't need to use WinMo can boot faster, and might be able to solve some issues eventually, like not needing a specific file in WinMo or specific ROM just to get calls working correctly.
As well, It gets annoying when even with bootloader it takes longer to boot back up, and I still sometimes get a voicemail or text message while HaRET is loading, and I have to reset, boot windows mobile, remove CLRCAD, reboot, and check the voicemail and texts. If I don't clear it in WinMo, sometimes I get a voicemail message notification every time I boot android even if I don't have any voicemail.

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as far as i see it, a major problem is for any non tmous hd2 owners an sd card will always be mandatory. Even if you are able to fit the whole system into the half sized nand, there wouldn't be much room left for anything else.
And even on the tmous, it would be good to put android and the apps on internal memory, and have everything else on the storage card, like pics and such.
Main reasons i see for doing this, is once it's working a version that doesn't need to use winmo can boot faster, and might be able to solve some issues eventually, like not needing a specific file in winmo or specific rom just to get calls working correctly.
As well, it gets annoying when even with bootloader it takes longer to boot back up, and i still sometimes get a voicemail or text message while haret is loading, and i have to reset, boot windows mobile, remove clrcad, reboot, and check the voicemail and texts. If i don't clear it in winmo, sometimes i get a voicemail message notification every time i boot android even if i don't have any voicemail.
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agreed..then maybe after studying the 1gig version they can find a solution for the 512 version

Battery life isnt great on current builds but it is usable. Much of the issue is due to it being an a sd card. Once they put it on nand, battery life will be even better. As good as winmo? You never know until you try.
I dont get why people are all too ready to rain on someones parade. I say, if there is a possibility of making android boot on this thing, why not try it? WinMo is dying, some of want to jump ship and take our hd2s with us.
It seems that getting nand to run is a priority to devs. Check out the first 7/23 post at http://robsbay.co.uk/
These guys have been making a port much faster than others have anticipated. According to doom-sayers, we shouldnt have been at this point for another few months at least. Im willing to bet this thing will be booting on its own and running efficiently well before the doom-sayers would have expected us to even have this thing running on a sd card.

zarathustrax said:
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways?
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- Reliability
- Speed
- Battery life.
- Access to memory card as a removable device while Android booted.
Even a class 10 card can't compare to the speed of the internal nand.

Pagnell said:
- Reliability
- Speed
- Battery life.
- Access to memory card as a removable device while Android booted.
Even a class 10 card can't compare to the speed of the internal nand.
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I completely agree. As others have noted, the main issue is initializing hardware. As an interim step to 100% Android, why not build an extremely slim WinMo with Android cooked into the NAND ROM.
I'm using desire v5 with latest Cotulla zImage it's pretty fast even off of a class 2 microSD. I really think my HD2 would be just as fast as my wife's EVO if the same thing were on the NAND.

nand boot tmous
any tmous user actually copy all of the files over to their phone's memory and try and boot haret? Or would this be detrimental to the life your WM phone?

I am a T-Mobile HD2 user and I think flashing from NAND would have many benefits. Lets do it up.

I am a T-Mobile HD2 use and this is great because we can boot both winmo and android from the nand, which is insane. All the non US users want to shut this down, because they are left out.

Leader2light said:
I am a T-Mobile HD2 use and this is great because we can boot both winmo and android from the nand, which is insane. All the non US users want to shut this down, because they are left out.
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so have you booted it from the nand with your hd2?

[Q] Andrid stabilaty on HD2 leo (us)

/Hi im still new o XDA everyone here are great so far. I have searched for a stable andriod rom see lots of them I was wanting to know to from you guys wich is the most stable to use and easiet to install . Thanks ahead of time for your great knowledge

They are all about the same as far as installing is concerned. Extract, copy to SD card and run. And which build is better is subjective...some are better then others, but there is no "best" one, only the one that works best for you.

I tested a bunch and the most stable and best one I've used is the bluetopia v 1. 0. 3,great Rom and use hastarin 8. 4 kernel, very few if ever any data drops and great camera

Depends on which phone you have - the TMobile US version with the latest ROM has a few issues with voice quality and data. So far I've found MDJ Froyo Sense CLEAN to work the best. Calls are very clear and speed is pretty amazing for running off the SD card. Battery life is pretty decent and data drops are pretty rare. I will say that the phone signal is a little weaker than the WINMO stock rom but I still get 3G/Edge speeds. Haven't fully tested everything but it works pretty well. Can't wait for the native port to work - if it ever does.
The only issue I have with Android on the HD2 is the hard buttons. Because the OS relies so much on the hard keys EVENTUALLY they will wear out. In WINMO I use them rarely to navigate and operate the phone. To turn it on when it goes to sleep I use SHAKE'N'WAKE so I don't even use the hard keys to pull it out of sleep.
Also tried a few others with limited success. Liked the EVO roms but the voice with the stock rom was robotic and data drops were pretty bad. NEXUS ONE was also good but the interface seemed dated. Speed was slower than the rom I'm currently using.
As far as WINMO 6.5 vs Android - I don't see a problem with WINMO but the browsing experience is much smoother and you have full flash. If Flash was available and integrated into either Opera of IE I don't think I'd switch.

I think your concern about the hardware buttons wearing out is an unfounded one. Thousands of phones use hardbuttons...and work perfectly fine. Most Android phones still use phsical buttons, and most people don't have problems with them wearing out.

You are probably right - more than likely they'll last much longer than I'll own it.

[Q] Android on NAND or SD - is it worth it?

Hello guys....and girls if any
i'm a bit of a noob, managed to get Android working from SD but thinking of putting it on NAND. My question(s) to you guys:
IS IT WORTH IT?
is the battery life - any better or at least equal to winmo?, functionality wise, is it 100% working?
Is having 2 OSs more versatile, is it worth getting rid of winmo and its apps?
Awaiting replies from members that have Android NAND for a while and can give a full view
I apologize if this question has been asked before...i looked...couldn't see a thread like this.
Thanks

Only recently did I switch to android on my HD2. I used WinMo Stock Rom before, but I had a lot of problems with Windows, I wasn't happy about the general UI and the lack of "modern" applications.
So 2 or 3 weeks ago I decided to switch to Android NAND. Here are some of the points witch made me use NAND instead of SD.
1st: Space. I only have a 2 GB SD, so a SD Rom would've taken 'all' or most of my SD Card Space.
Installing it on the ROM saved me a lot of Bytes. ^^
2nd: No trouble with 2 OSs. As I thought that WinMo was useless anyway, I thought it to be stupid to still have it and let it consume space. I thought, NAND can't run worse as WinMo did for me, so why keeping it as fallback ROM. Also, I have an old phone (Sony C905) to fall back when flashing ROMs or if any problem would occur. (Just to mention it, I did not have any problems at all really)
These where my main points to use a NAND ROM (I am using this one here by gpc: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909096 )
After having used a NAND Rom for a couple of weeks now, I made the experience that these ROMs run very smoothly. Everything works for me, the sync between Google and Android is awesome. I followed the instructions of the cooks and did not have any problems with GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, ... everything is working fine (exept stock tethering - but that can be easily achieved by 3rd-party apps). My Problem is, that I flash relatively often and I do not use any kind of backup so I have to reinstall all my apps. But the 200+ MB which the ROM leaves free from internal memory enable me to install a lot of apps and the market helps me to easily reinstall all of them after a flash.
Overall, Android Gingerbread is more stable (as to your question: I'd say it is working to 95%, and the 5% missing being non-essential, or can be achieved by 3rd-party-apps), has more functions, and drains less battery than WinMo6.5 - in my own personal oppinion... and it only took me half an hour to get my device from Win to Android. So I still do not see the point in leaving WinMo on the device and use up space of your SD Card.
But you should ask yourself, what do you need from WinMo, what do you need from WinMo what it can not do, and what can an Android-ROM do for you. And if you find for yourself that a NAND Android can do everything you need from your OS (or even more), than where is the point in still using an outdated OS?
I hope I could help.
PS: There are a lot of votings here on XDA and as far as my memory goes most of them voted for NAND-based roms... so I don't think that I am alone with my oppinion.
EDIT: BIG WARNING Thou': I should read all posts (especially sticky-ones) carefully to see, if you have the right Radio, and so on! a NAND-Rom _does_ have some kind of risk installing, and I don't want to be held responcible for bricking your phone. I am just telling you my personal experience as a User (I am neighter a developer nor have I ever flashed a phone in my life before), but I know, that there are some Users which did encounter problems. It's your decision in the end, I guess.
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It depends if you still want winmo or not. Battery life is about the same as SD for me, overall performance is about the same as SD builds, but there are some bonuses with nand, like you can change sd cards, use recovery, couple other small things. If you don't use winmo anymore and don't want it, might as well put android to nand. You have to decide if losing winmo is worth it. Personally I use SD android because I have WP7 on NAND. I used NAND android for a while, and when I went back to SD android, I didn't really notice any difference. SD android is good enough for me and I think being able to have 2 OS's on my phone is much more important and is what makes the HD2 unique and special. If I just wanted android, I would have gotten a native android phone. When you put android on nand, it makes it just like any other android phone and there's nothing it can do that many other phones can't, but when dualbooting you're phone can do things that no other phone can do. And I use WP7 just as much as I use android now, so it's great having both OS's on the same phone.

I was pretty happy with WM+Sense on Stock T-Mobile HD2. And I'm expert-user of WM. But with so many apps for Android and so few NEW apps for WM - it is hard to resist. So I moved to Android SD-mode.
At that point I liked everything except battery life. And GPS Fix was slow. I tries few SD ROMs ... liked them all, not much difference for me. To fight battery drain I moved to NAND.
Speed-wise I do not see any difference between NAND and SD. My battery life is better with NAND. But then again ... may be ROMs get improved, may be I got more experience with how to manage things battery-wise. Got my slow GPS Fix resolved, but I'm sure it would work on SD-mode too.
I would almost all equivalent apps for Android to replace my favorite WM apps.
Bottom line is (for me).
1. Battery is still BETTER with WM. I have to charge every day with Android, with WM I could go 1.5 days, sometimes even 2. But then again ... Android is more into "cloud".
2. Booting into NAND directly is not much faster than WM+Android SD.
3. There is NO navigation with TTS+reliable map/poi source on Android which can be compared to properly skinned Primo 1.1 and that is my ONLY big complain.
4. Overall user experience with Android is better. For me at least. And it crashes much-much-much less than WM. Surprise !
Overall I'm happy with my WM->Android move and I'm not going back. But hey, I was happy on WM too

[Q] HD2 Android Keeps Crashing; help!

I've switched from windows to android for my htc hd2 and I've been experiencing a lot of freezing/hanging issues. I had no choice but to pull out my battery to restart my phone a lot of times.
Does anyone encounter the same problem after they change to android? Or is it like this? It's like, when i play a game, it'll hang sometimes. playing music halfway, it'd hang. or even using GPRS and it'll hang. =.= help!
btw, i'm using the SD builds. It doesn't really matter which sd builds cuz i tried quite a few and I'm still getting a lot of hangs randomly here and there.

evilwz said:
I've switched from windows to android for my htc hd2 and I've been experiencing a lot of freezing/hanging issues. I had no choice but to pull out my battery to restart my phone a lot of times.
Does anyone encounter the same problem after they change to android? Or is it like this? It's like, when i play a game, it'll hang sometimes. playing music halfway, it'd hang. or even using GPRS and it'll hang. =.= help!
btw, i'm using the SD builds. It doesn't really matter which sd builds cuz i tried quite a few and I'm still getting a lot of hangs randomly here and there.
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Radio?
WM ROM ?
Android ROM version ?

Hi, I've been experiencing the same problems. I'm booting android through WM 6.5 through the SD card method. I've tried the AmericanAndroid (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652), a HTC sense ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954030), a MIUI ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058809) and Darkstone's superRAM froyo. They all tend to crash randomly after a while, and there's no way to solve the problem but pull out the battery... One reason suggested on the forums was that hot weather tends to make the HD2 overheat and crash, which makes some sense because I live in Singapore (that's tropical, btw). But my WM6.5 doesn't crash nearly as often...
O another thing: whenever I boot into android through SD, I tend to get high battery drains of about 60mA. One solution I've found was to shut down the phone, then hold the volume down button while booting in WM6.5. This brings me into a multi coloured screen (is it called the bootloader or something?), and I pull out the battery. After which I boot into WM6.5 normally and boot android from the SD card. That normally brings down the battery drain to about 10mA, but I'm not sure how this works/why it works that way/what side effects this may have... Besides this I follow all the standard procedures, so I'm not sure why android crashes on me so often...

Flash NAND Android ROM and all your troubles will disappear.

Please ensure rom you flashed is the appropriate one. Check ur devicd model, choose rom for ur device, read faq/explanation from chef who built thd rom. Check recovery partition required for your choosed rom. Yesss flash nand rom and flash into ur nand. If u prefer sd rom ensure ur sdcard is in good condition
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likewei92 said:
Hi, I've been experiencing the same problems. I'm booting android through WM 6.5 through the SD card method. I've tried the AmericanAndroid (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652), a HTC sense ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954030), a MIUI ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058809) and Darkstone's superRAM froyo. They all tend to crash randomly after a while, and there's no way to solve the problem but pull out the battery... One reason suggested on the forums was that hot weather tends to make the HD2 overheat and crash, which makes some sense because I live in Singapore (that's tropical, btw). But my WM6.5 doesn't crash nearly as often...
O another thing: whenever I boot into android through SD, I tend to get high battery drains of about 60mA. One solution I've found was to shut down the phone, then hold the volume down button while booting in WM6.5. This brings me into a multi coloured screen (is it called the bootloader or something?), and I pull out the battery. After which I boot into WM6.5 normally and boot android from the SD card. That normally brings down the battery drain to about 10mA, but I'm not sure how this works/why it works that way/what side effects this may have... Besides this I follow all the standard procedures, so I'm not sure why android crashes on me so often...
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1. try booting into WM6.5 stock rom, w/o any modifications. you should be able to download through the htc website
2. try using WM6.5 a while, see if it hangs/restarts itself. there shouldn't be the case if you're using stock rom.
3. if you still face the restarting/freezing problems even using stock WM6.5 rom. send your phone for servicing.
As my warranty was still valid, i sent my phone for servicing and they changed the whole motherboard of my HD2. Now my phone is running smoothly on both WM6.5 and Android.
The service that HTC offers in Singapore is quite good. You can call them to come to your house and collect the phone personally. If you need, you can ask for a loan phone. They'll repair and return your phone to your doorstep in about a week's time. I'm pretty happy with their efficient service Tell me which company will come and collect your phone at your doorstep and send it back to you when it's all good. Thumbs up all the way for them!
Hope this helps.

Thanks for the replies. I switched to NAND with hyperdroid by pongster, but the crashing persisted for a while. It seems that the connection between the SD card and the phone is the problem. There was once that I got ~60mA of battery drain, then I pulled out the SD card and the drain went down to ~10mA (I was running on NAND of course). I then went on to try a difference SD card (a 4GB sandisk), and the the HD2 stopped crashing. It has also never crashed with the SD card removed. Moral of the story: a very stable SD connection is essential if you want to use SD builds...

[Poll] When was the last time you used wm6

Now that we have CWM Recovery and NAND Android our HD2's are like a native android besides the fact that there is a windows button on it. So, when was the last time you used wm6? Personally for me its been a month

I had 6.1 on my Kaiser (AT&T Tilt) until last night lol. Only ever used it to transfer files from my pc to my HD2's sd card, cause my HD2's usb port is busted. I figured flashing Android to the Kaiser would result in faster file transfer, since it'd be acting as a usb device, bypassing activesync. Went to the trouble of flashing Android on it only to find out usb doesn't work in Android on the Kaiser. Back to WM i guess.
So I suppose I use WM still, kinda.
Sorry for writing a bit of a novel, I'm a little buzzed right now lol.
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It has been more than 6 months, i still remember those painful ways to search the internet for .cab files..thank god we have android now on our beloved hd2..

I am still using it, dual boot with SD Android....

Since 1 day after my ht2 was arrived i'm using android, first dual boot in sd and then in nand
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I still using wm6 inevitably, because l have problem with GPS & Battery drain in android.

The sd versions of android were to buggy for me...so i stayed with wm6.5 and CHT until the release of magldr. Since then I'm a happy HD2 Android user...and I Don't want to miss it anymore - wm6.5 is nothing compared to android in my opinion and I can't understand how people can longer stay with a more or less outdated wm6.5
hamidnz2 said:
I still using wm6 inevitably, because l have problem with GPS & Battery drain in android.
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GPS is not working fine as in wm, cause of the lack of AGPS support. But it's ok for me if I get a lock in 1-2 minutes...my navigon is not really faster with booting, loading pois and finally searching for gps sats - it took even longer.
Can't confirm really battery drainage, generally it's a bad installation or missusage...

Last time I had WM on this phone is about 8 months ago. Works so much better with Android.
Sorry, I have to say last time I used WM is 8 months ago. But I flashed NAND the day it came out.

I use WM, Android and WP. Switching when I got bored.
It is good that every OS support Sync with Googleaccount. So it only takes an hour to have everything set up.

Just today, and yesterday, and the day before..
believe it or not, WinMo is still my everyday OS! Android works fine for me in general, but with power management on WinMo, and most of my irreplaceable apps on it, I still use it, and will do so until some similar apps are availabe for android.

j4n87 said:
The sd versions of android were to buggy for me...so i stayed with wm6.5 and CHT until the release of magldr. Since then I'm a happy HD2 Android user...and I Don't want to miss it anymore - wm6.5 is nothing compared to android in my opinion and I can't understand how people can longer stay with a more or less outdated wm6.5
GPS is not working fine as in wm, cause of the lack of AGPS support. But it's ok for me if I get a lock in 1-2 minutes...my navigon is not really faster with booting, loading pois and finally searching for gps sats - it took even longer.
Can't confirm really battery drainage, generally it's a bad installation or missusage...
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I just think that you might not yet find the right SD Android
I have been using SD Android lately (2 months). (Before, I used NANDROID).
In fact I dont have problem with SD Android (MCCM GB v.3.0)
This version is very stable. I rarely go back to Winmo.
cheers