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It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Source: Engadget
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o
maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?
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exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.
if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.
So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.
What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true
i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!
Just read a tweet from Eldar murtazin, who is generally well informed, and today he wrote sonething very disturbing.
Samsung seems to have stopped the production on the wave and the galaxy s due to super amoled screen shortage.
This is nothing short of a disaster for all of us hoping to see the galaxy s being supported with froyo and beyond i guess. (or even cyanogenmod for that matter...)
I really hope this is just a temporarely thing, just as with the droid incedible....what do you guys think?
cant produce the phone when there is no screens for it... so ofc they will once they have a stock
In this case, sell the phone. No big deal.
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this is their best selling phone, and the only real competition againts iphone
i doubt they will stop producing it completely
it'll just be on hold until they get more stock of SAMOLED
they did the same to HTC Desire
but instead of waiting for new stock HTC decided to use another type of screen
as soon as HTC did the change the Desire suddently became less desirable
@allgamer
I hope you are right about that but this would explain why you cant find any SGS here in Edmonton or in Canada at all from what I understand which sucks if you brick and need replacement, etc.
Also, do you think that this issue will delay the FROYO release to those of us who already have the phone?
according to Eldar, they sold their last batch of SAMOLED screens to Apple, who is making a product for next year with our screens in it!
now, i really hate Apple!
they see that retina alone isn't enough, so close the deal with Sammy!
i hope this won't kill Samsungs ambitions to become the biggest brand above Nokia!
yes, they are mostly back ordered even in Toronto as well, the sales are good, it's like iphone always sold out.
froyo has nothing to do with the factory side
froyo will come when the coders are done fixing the bugs and get things working properly
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
"ANYMORE" is not the word! Why make such confusion?
Its a break in production due to shortage of SAMOLED screens.
Rename topic PLX
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Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
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You actually believe that? Apple does it deliberately to make the product more desirable, simple as. They like to see people queueing up 12 hours before a product is launched outside of their shops, good publicity etc.
As the the Super AMOLED rumour, it is just that, a rumour, like most things I see written on the internet. Isn't it samsung who actually produce these screens? And there is a shortage? I dont buy it...
Then again though, I wouldnt trust samdung as far as I could throw them.
That would explain shortage of SGS in Poland.... Especially with one carrier that has best prices for it.... I'm searching this phone for about 1,5 months...
by the way, this can't be true anyways
else the new launch this month on Rogers network will fail completely if that was true
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792270
They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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then it'll be a waste, it'll go the way the Desire did, and it will cease to be a Galaxy S
it'll probably be released as a new model Galaxy sub S
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They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
It's probably just a shortage, they couldn't keep up with HTC's demand for it, and they probably can;t keep up with their own...maybe they didn't truly believe the SGS would be such a success
Logicalstep
I was told from the importers/Saturn that Samsung Galaxy S were empty and Samsung are going to make more Samsung Galaxy S. They told me that people were crazy for Samsung Galaxy S and that's why the stock were empty.
the news and my phone store sources confirms the same, the SGS just sells really really good.
the 16 GB model is always the hardest to get, i did post a topic about it a while back
8 GB models are easier to find, but who would want less?
same reason why 8 GB are easier to find than the 16 GB models
now of course, for Cellphone carriers models those sizes are locked, you don't really get to chose
only the unlocked models you can choose to buy in 8 or 16
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
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"Samsung's Super AMOLED is a variant of AMOLED technology in which the layer which detects touch is integrated into the touchscreen display rather than being overlaid on top. This results in a thinner device and improved outdoor performance."
LCD tech will never be able to match AMOLED blacks, but there's still the "issue" with PenTile RGBR matrix. Red font on black for instance? Looks horrible. Text in general is its achilles heel. Video, images (well, not B&W perhaps ) and graphics looks amazing though.
Hi all, long time lurker (I had an MDA from T-Mobile a longgg time ago), first post for years
I really want a Nexus S, and I went to Best Buy today, and the screen just looked terrible; text looked significantly worse than the iPhone 4 and Moto's Droids. Very fuzzy, very obvious pixels. I felt the same way looking at the Galaxy S in the Verizon store. The only thing that I liked was the black depth.
I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
However, both of them had screen protectors applied, which I could believe mucks up the PenTile rendering and makes the screens look worse than they are.
How are other peoples' Nexus S/Galaxy S? Is it just the protector? Is it me, or have other people noticed the same thing?
It bums me out, because I was super hyped for a Nexus (I like that it's open, that it plays well with all the Google services I use), but it didn't make me love it the same way the iPhone 4 wants you to love it, and it's mostly due to the screen.
Lewisham said:
Hi all, long time lurker (I had an MDA from T-Mobile a longgg time ago), first post for years
I really want a Nexus S, and I went to Best Buy today, and the screen just looked terrible; text looked significantly worse than the iPhone 4 and Moto's Droids. Very fuzzy, very obvious pixels. I felt the same way looking at the Galaxy S in the Verizon store. The only thing that I liked was the black depth.
I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
However, both of them had screen protectors applied, which I could believe mucks up the PenTile rendering and makes the screens look worse than they are.
How are other peoples' Nexus S/Galaxy S? Is it just the protector? Is it me, or have other people noticed the same thing?
It bums me out, because I was super hyped for a Nexus (I like that it's open, that it plays well with all the Google services I use), but it didn't make me love it the same way the iPhone 4 wants you to love it, and it's mostly due to the screen.
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I love this screen, chances are it is a poorly applied screen protector
Text just doesn't look as, sharp as the Droid or iPhone 4 because they have lcd screens with full 3 color pixels per full pixel. Amoled screens do not, they use pentile sub pixel layout which alternates green and blue sub pixels effectively sharing between pixels. It's a cheaper way to manufacture the more expensive amoled technology. But the cost is less sharp text. Nothing you can do about it.
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Text just doesn't look as, sharp as the Droid or iPhone 4 because they have lcd screens with full 3 color pixels per full pixel. Amoled screens do not, they use pentile sub pixel layout which alternates green and blue sub pixels effectively sharing between pixels. It's a cheaper way to manufacture the more expensive amoled technology. But the cost is less sharp text. Nothing you can do about it.
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...and after two replies, we get one which loves the screen and one which says it's just the way it is! I don't have any wish to get a phone that plays videos nicely... I spend all my time using Google Reader, Gmail and browsing.
As a point of reference, I would say the text and pixel spacing both looked worse than my first generation iPod Touch. I could believe the color rendering was better.
I'd really like a good way of finding out if it was just a dodgy screen protector in both stores without dropping 530 bucks at Best Buy then instantly returning it if it isn't any better.
the SAMOLED screen is what keeps me coming back to yet another Samsung phone, even though their product quality is HORRIBLE! (GPS / Internal SD)
the SAMOLED screen is way too addictive, that tells you much about the screen, it's like having 1080p in your phone!
colors are the best in the market, and there's nothing that can match up to a SAMOLED crispy display and vivid color
yes, it is true it does suck up a lot of power when you use it at the NICE settings.
and yes, SAMOLED is move lively than the Restina Display of the iphone
I would judge the SAMOLED screen on the Galaxy S series to be more vibrant, but the LCD on the iPhone is unparalleled in its resolution:screen size ratio as far as I'm concerned. You can't even pick out individual pixels, it's a thing of beauty. Now, SAMOLED enthusiasts will say the screen is smaller so the resolution isn't actually that great and blah blah blah, but as someone who owns a Nexus S (mostly) without regrets, I still say I think the Retina Display is damn attractive, especially when it comes to displaying very fine patterns and text on solid backgrounds.
Whether Retina or SAMOLED is preferable depends on equal parts usage habits and user preference, I'd say, but the truth is (to my eye anyway) yes, individual pixels stand out more and solid-color backgrounds (especially white ones) and fine details look inferior on the SGS (Nexus S included). I'm not an iPhone fan, but I give credit where it's due, and smaller screen though it may be, it's still purdy.
I dunno, the terrible text rendering is enough to make me want to get a Droid or something, but I really don't fancy throwing my weight behind a handset that doesn't support openness and updates like the Nexus S.
I wonder if what I really want is to try and find an SLCD Nexus One...?
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I wonder if what I really want is to try and find an SLCD Nexus One...?
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yes, that's what you want......
If you already looked at SAMOLED and didn't like it, just move on.
Zagg screen and body protectors are best,non scrachable ,invisible.....
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It is the PENTILE matrix of the SAMOLED screen which is to blame, not the AMOLED technology. There are RGB AMOLED screens, take the Nokia N8 for example. Pentile is what causes text to look fuzzy. People who don't notice it and say the screen is just as sharp (text-wise) as a normal LCD just have bad vision, simple as that. =)
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I've seen people claim the Super AMOLED screen is to blame, but then I've also read reviews who say it looks great. I can't imagine that these people who like the screen could not have seen what I did, unless they really needed glasses.
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Its more likely that people who see it fuzzy actually have the bad vision.
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dinan said:
It is the PENTILE matrix of the SAMOLED screen which is to blame, not the AMOLED technology. There are RGB AMOLED screens, take the Nokia N8 for example. Pentile is what causes text to look fuzzy. People who don't notice it and say the screen is just as sharp (text-wise) as a normal LCD just have bad vision, simple as that. =)
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Yes exactly. This isn't guessing, its straight fact. Just Google search the term "nexus pentile pixel layout" and read the professional articles discussing the tech and its pros and cons. Text just looks fuzzy, but you make up for it in other areas. Trade off you need to pick.
Just picked up a new nexus s (new years eve) from carphonewarehouse in brighton and it has an SLCD. Is this common in uk as i thought it was just happening in russia etc..????
I have an AMOLED Desire so i can see a massive difference and about to return it. Any benefit in SLCD???
Wring section but I don't know any.pros over super amoled.
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Really? Damn that sucks. The screen is probably my favorite thing about this phone.
SLCD? What a ripoff. Why aren't they using Super Amoled???
Yeh a little peeved as the demo one I tested was AMOLED but the one in the box wasnt. Grrrr
super amolded = the best, period.
Uh how can I check what screen mine has?
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Uh how can I check what screen mine has?
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Look at it.
The major difference is when looking at the image with black background.
As SAMOLED has unlimited contrast, black is totally black.
only the russian nexus s models have slcd. can't find the link to the article, but I remember reading about this.
edit : here's the article http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-s...d-in-russia-instead-of-super-amoled-20101207/
OMG!!!!!!!! noooooooo, i hate it when the manufacture process changes half way through the release of a product (example HTC Desire)
i'm glad our batch in USA has SAMOLED.... but what will happen after if we need to send in our for repair? are we going to lose the SAMOLED to be replaced with a Sony LCD ? like they did with the Desire?
ewww....
i think i'd rather go back to a Tmobile Vibrant if that ever happens
Well slcd has it benefits. First you get regular RGB pixels instead of ugly Pentile. Second LCD's are not prone to "burn in" and shioter life of amoled. There are toms of threads about samoled burn in and rapid dimness.
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hahaha. i cant believe this. what a total f*** up.
It couldn't be. My friend just purchase one for me in carphonewarehouse. If it is slcd, I'd rather her return it. Confirm?
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Well slcd has it benefits. First you get regular RGB pixels instead of ugly Pentile.
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the only reason i purchased this phone and SGS was to get the SAMOLED screen
if it was not for it, there are tons of better choices for an Android phone
there is simply nothing else better that can compare to the crispy clear quality of the SAMOLED
and most importantly it works under bright sunlight
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if it was not for it, there are tons of better choices for an Android phone
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You think so?
They can't write Super AMOLED on the specs and sell a LCD, can you add some pictures of the screen?
I'd be surprised if you have a slcd screen! When the phone is off does your screen have a dark blue(ish) tinge to it? It does look different from a simple amoled screen, did some one tell you from carphone warehouse that it was scld?
This is very unlikely, surely?
As someone has said, the SAMOLED screen is one of the major selling points. If it didn't have it, I'd probably stick with my Desire HD!
It's almost like swapping in a 600mhz CPU and selling it.
Are you sure it is SLCD?
Do we have a really solid way to check this?
Probably by using image with different shades of black? Then turn the contrast to max or something.
Post comparison photo with your HTC Desire please ...
manook said:
Just picked up a new nexus s (new years eve) from carphonewarehouse in brighton and it has an SLCD. Is this common in uk as i thought it was just happening in russia etc..????
I have an AMOLED Desire so i can see a massive difference and about to return it. Any benefit in SLCD???
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I'm considering purchasing a Dell Venue Pro for AT&T. At $300, it seems like a pretty good deal, even if the new ones are coming out soon.
My question, does it have a PenTile screen? That would definitely be a deal-killer.
No, it has full RGB amoled screen. Not super-amoled.
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The Venue Pro does have a PenTile (also known as Bayermatrix) Screen, its not the standard Matrix like a LCD would have.
Its a standard Samsung amoled, no super or super+
You certainly notice it on very bright colors, but its not as bad as i expected (its my first amoled phone)
Hmm. Two replies with conflicting answers and no answers by looking at specs. Anyone else? If it has PenTile, there is ZERO chance I will buy it. I had a Nexus One and I hated that screen.
It is PenTile, visible with the naked eye.
So far as I know, all Samsung AMOLED screens were PenTile until Super AMOLED Plus (as seen in SGS2). The tech was just not there to deliver a true RGB matrix for a reasonable price.
Damn. Oh well, saved myself $300. There is no way I will buy another PenTile screen.
Thanks for the help!
What's wrong with a PenTile screen?
I absolutely love the screen on the DVP. It's the best screen on any phone I've ever had. I hate super amoled and super amoled plus, I like my whites to be white. Not yellow.
I bought a Dell Venue Pro a few weeks ago and can tell you that the screen really is good. Colors are really ok and although the screen size is rather large, you will not be able to see any disadvantages due to the PenTile screen. I suggest if you are interested in buying one, then simply go to a shop and take a look at the screen for yourself and you will see that it is really good.
I compared it to quite a lot phones (such as LG Optimus P990, Palm Pre, Samsung Galaxy i9000 / i9100) and can say that the screen is far better than all the usual LCD screens and has no visable disadvantage compared to Super Amoled (Plus).
I do not believe the DVP is sold in any shops near me. The Microsoft Store had it when they first opened in November, but not anymore. I didn't get a great look at the screen back then, though. I was mainly looking at the hardware and it looked very nice.
I can't buy another PenTile screen, though. I can notice the crappy image that PenTile causes, especially to text. It was very noticeable on my Nexus One screen, the DVP has an even larger screen with the same resolution, making it more noticeable.
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I do not believe the DVP is sold in any shops near me. The Microsoft Store had it when they first opened in November, but not anymore. I didn't get a great look at the screen back then, though. I was mainly looking at the hardware and it looked very nice.
I can't buy another PenTile screen, though. I can notice the crappy image that PenTile causes, especially to text. It was very noticeable on my Nexus One screen, the DVP has an even larger screen with the same resolution, making it more noticeable.
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i came from an N1 to the DVP and think the DVP screen is a lot better.
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i came from an N1 to the DVP and think the DVP screen is a lot better.
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Same here and I agree