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how do you update the radio rom??

Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse

Firstly it needs to have a recovery image installed I recommend Amon-Ra v 1.6.2.
Secondly you need to find the radio rom you wish to flash and put it onto the root of you phones sd card.
Thirdly enter the recovery image you have installed by holding power and home button from the phone being off.
Then select the radio.zip to flash.
Everything I have said here can easily be found how to do via searching this forum or its wiki.
also www.theunlockr.com will help with installing the recovery image.

lohtse said:
Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse
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First you will need to install the custom recovery console if you haven't done so already.
Then download your updated radio, put it on your SD, load into the recovery, then apply update. DONE!
If that is too brief,... let me know,...
EDIT... Ooops,... too late.

way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....

really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.

Lennyuk said:
really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.
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I came from wimo to android, and as it is said, it's quite hard to catch the thing at the beginning, but after everything seems easier than in wimo !! and more reliable... you have almost no chance to brick your hero after you installed the recovery boot.
radio : boot in recovery then select the good option.
rom : nandroid backup / install whatever rom you want / if you don't like it go for nandroid restore ( all you need is two Sd card.. the good one and the one for the "tests" ).... etc....
But at the beginning i was totally out but with a little time.. reading some posts (here and on the web) ... one day everything was more clear !
Ciao
Fred

lohtse said:
way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....
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Its not hard at all. You can have the recovery installed and the radio updated in 5 minutes.
For step by step instructions follow the "Installing a recovery image" section in BTDAG's guide linked in my signature.
Then further down the same post, in the second yellow box there are instructions on "Updating your Radio".

Guys, the OP said he was issued the Hero at work, then two hours later said he was going to ditch Android... so what then, he's quitting his job? Troll alert. Don't feed the troll.

As to troll comment(yes offence has been caused)....hmmmmm.... Am going back to the trusty Kaiser... WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE HERO.... We live in free(ish) world.. And the Phones are issued as an update to our old duty phones... Also I'm not the only one who uses them that feels the same.
Now to updating being easy. Gulp I must be eeer dum!!! Du hu Du HU must be the TROLL in me!
I have tried to install recovery image thing and well just cant get it to work... And now I find I have to root the hero too so things will install to sd card!!!! WTF this should all be standard like winmo and symbian etc...
I have been using smart phones since the Ericsson r380 and so far Android has failed to impress to the degree I am beginning to hate it....
Am far to used to having simply andfull access to everything..
Android is a HUGE learning curve that I suspect I may not have the patience for..
regards The TROLL sorry I mean Lohtse

Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
regards
TROLL

lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
regards
TROLL
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Wahey!!!! Good job man.
Ok,... So now you have the recovery image all you need to do is pick a custom ROM. Personally, I highly recommend MCR3.2 (link in signature at botom). It is an Android 1.5 ROM but is stable and fast, what more could you want for a work phone.This ROM is rooted and has apps2SD enabled. Once you have installed the ROM you will need to remember to create an ext2 partition on the SD card (easily done through the recovery). Then you are set to go!!!!

lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL TROLL
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You're welcome And what ddotpatel said. MCR is fast & clean. By installing a custom recovery you've already done the only tricky bit.

Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..

lohtse said:
Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..
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You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
Someone with more knowhow than me correct me if I am wrong?... CAULI?,... LENNY?

Can someone who knows please answer this question:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
Thanks!

ddotpatel said:
You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
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Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition. All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer, if you're curious. Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed. The saving you make just from shifting the apks to sd is more than enough for most people it seems.

cauli said:
Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition.
All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer.
Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed.
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hmmmm I certainly noticed a drop in available memory on the phone to the degree of only having 54 megs free...

SebHTCHero said:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
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what is rf calibration?

What is radio rom used for by phone?

kendong2 said:
what is rf calibration?
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A set of tables usually stored in NVRAM that takes into account the slight differences in the components used to build your phone. Every single phone is calibrated during manufacturing.
If the calibration is erased, it will look like it works but you can have all sort of problems from poor battery life to random drop from the network or poor sensibility (not to mention the higher than expected radio levels you could be emitting right next to your brain )

[ROM]Plain_JaneT2 V2.0 7/18/10 Stock With everything ROOT!!

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This rom is a version of Jcase's PlainJane that can be found Here.
I Just added to this rom the latest a2sd that can be found HERE
This rom uses Zanfurs OC path which can be found Here
Scripts from Bugless Beast Here
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Downloads at the end of this post.
Reviewed By andrew8806 at http://droid-roms.net
This is the 2.1 Eris OTA(JULY) With Root, A2SD, and Overclocking.
This is for people that like the SENSE UI, and have lots of apps.
I was using PLAINJANE and filled up the internal Memory, so I went about looking for a way to keep the rom and have all my apps.
Presenting PlainJaneT2 V2.0 Screenies attached New Fonts!
Change Log:
Code:
[B][U]PlainJaneT2 v1.0[/B][/U]-Added A2sd to Original PlainJane from Jcase.
[U][B]PlainJaneT2 v1.1-1.4[/B][/U]-Various Deodexed Versions of
the Rom that never were made public.
[U][B]PlaingJaneT2 v2.0[/B][/U]
-Based on JULY OTA
- Fully Deodexed without any FC (This was a Killer to figure out...)
- Added the Newest A2sd Preview 4
-Added Scripts to rom to enable ext mounting on linux
systems, get cpu Info, make system folder rw, and the ability to
zipalign all apks.
-Added Modified boot screen.
-Changed Default Fonts.
-Made it all stock (some People were asking to leave the apps untouched.
^^(I made a flash zip you can you use to get rid of the all BloatWaredelete)
Remember to BACKUP your sdcard before doing the step below!!!.
Things you need to know and do.
How to set up your sd card for a2sd:
Code:
1. Boot into recovery
2. Scroll down to PARTITION SDCARD
3.Click On PARTITION SD
4.Click trackball to confirm
5.Select Swap size 32mb is fine
6.Select ext size (I did 768mb you don't have to make it that big)
7.Click again to partition sd card.
8.Go to PARTITION SD menu and choose SD:ext2 to ext3
This New A2sd Makes it so when you go to the data/app folder, it actually takes you to the /system/sd/app folder. So when you use Root Explorer to look at the data/app folder you are actually looking at the /system/sd/app folder.
You know you are in the /system/sd/app folder in root Explorer because at the very top it says something like this "92.88MB used 593.51MB free" as we all know the Eris doesn't have that much space in the data/app folder. The space in the data/app folder might still be going down because the cache isn't moved to the sd card by default, if you want to change this you can change it yourself.
For a2sd help:
Code:
adb shell
su
a2sd help
Use of scripts:
Code:
Go into terminal emulator or adb and run these scripts
-"sys -rw" Will Make system Read and Write
-"sys -ro "Will Make system Read Only"
-"usb -e" Will mount Sdcards Partitions" On linux
systems will mount the EXT partition. Sorry windows people.
"usb -d" Will unmount the sdcard Partitions..
-"cpuinfo" Will give you the OverClock settings,
giving you the max, min, and what you have it set to.
-"zipalign_apks" Does just that zipalign all apks.
To change the over clocking settings Download Setcpu from this thread Here
Remember to Wipe Factory/cache Before flashing this rom.
Downloads:
PlainJaneT2 V2.0
PlainJaneT2 V2.0
- Flash this to get Default Fonts to original
DefaultFont.zip
-Flash this to get rid OF BloatWare
BloatWareDelete.zip
-Flash this to Disable the OTA that some people are getting
DisableUpdate.zip
Alternate Links
T2noob Roms
BloatWareDelete.zip Deletes
-AmazonMp3
-Stocks (widgets and app)
-Twitter (Widgets and app)
-HtcFootPrints (Widgets and app)
-Teeter
-Visual Voice Mail
-PDF VIEWER(the adobe one is better than this one, get it on the market)
I hope this helps someone, I Had a hard time getting a2sd to work because there isn't that much documentation on how to enable the boot.img for a2sd, now people don't have to go through what i did to get a2sd on 2.1 stock rom.And Jcase Gave me his ok.(In case you were wondering)

your freakin kidding me!
this is what ive been working on...well mine has a little tiny bit more but still...haha im actually like halfway through the upload
Code:
[SIZE="7"]Smash_Rom_0.8.1[/SIZE]
[B]Ill be releasing another AOSP non-Cyanogen Rom similar to this within a week or so.
[/B]
This is a rom for all those people who want to stick close to stock, but want all the perks of rooting.
This has been a while in coming, the Linux Kitchen is actually the child of this project :P
[SIZE="5"]Features[/SIZE]
-Plain Jane Based (Jcase)
-Overclock to 864Mhz (Zanfurs Kernel)
-Apps2SD (Tkirton)
-Espresso Rosie
-Wifi Tether
-Completly De-odexed (Andrizoid's Linux Kitchen ;))
-Metamorph Themes Work!
-Spare Parts Included
-HTC_IME from XDA with Voice to Text!
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[SIZE="5"]Notes[/SIZE]
[SIZE="4"]General[/SIZE]
This rom is heavy, just over 100MB. You have to realize though that this is not an AOSP or even SLIGHTLY Vanilla rom, its completly stock based.
The fact that its Sense based is also going to have some effect on battery life. Don't expect to come from White Widow and see the same kind of battery life.
This rom also takes a HELL of a long time on first boot. Thats because of the de-odexed files.
[SIZE="4"]Installation[/SIZE]
Wipe data/dalvik and flash like normal from recovery.
If you experience FC's on the first boot, you may need to wipe your SD-ext. This can be done from the Recovery Menu under the "wipe" sub-section.
[SIZE="4"]Partition-ing [/SIZE]
-Make a backup of everything on your SD card.
-From the recovery menu choose Partition sdcard.
-Choose Partition SD
-Select the defaults for all the sizes.
-Choose SD:ext2 to ext3
-Copy back all of your files.
[SIZE="5"]Bugs[/SIZE]
-None...This rom just works.
[SIZE="5"]Thanks[/SIZE]
-Tkirton for his Apps2SD and for being in general an awesome guy.
-Jcase for his Plain Jane Base.
-Zanfur for his kernel.
[SIZE="5"]Screenshots[/SIZE]!
[SIZE="4"]Remember this is Stock based so theres not going to be many graphical tweaks other than the Espresso Launcher[/SIZE]

Andrizoid said:
your freakin kidding me!
this is what ive been working on...well mine has a little tiny bit more but still...haha im actually like halfway through the upload
Code:
[SIZE="7"]Smash_Rom_0.8.1[/SIZE]
[B]Ill be releasing another AOSP non-Cyanogen Rom similar to this within a week or so.
[/B]
This is a rom for all those people who want to stick close to stock, but want all the perks of rooting.
This has been a while in coming, the Linux Kitchen is actually the child of this project :P
[SIZE="5"]Features[/SIZE]
-Plain Jane Based (Jcase)
-Overclock to 864Mhz (Zanfurs Kernel)
-Apps2SD (Tkirton)
-Espresso Rosie
-Wifi Tether
-Completly De-odexed (Andrizoid's Linux Kitchen ;))
-Metamorph Themes Work!
-Spare Parts Included
-HTC_IME from XDA with Voice to Text!
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[SIZE="5"]Notes[/SIZE]
[SIZE="4"]General[/SIZE]
This rom is heavy, just over 100MB. You have to realize though that this is not an AOSP or even SLIGHTLY Vanilla rom, its completly stock based.
The fact that its Sense based is also going to have some effect on battery life. Don't expect to come from White Widow and see the same kind of battery life.
This rom also takes a HELL of a long time on first boot. Thats because of the de-odexed files.
[SIZE="4"]Installation[/SIZE]
Wipe data/dalvik and flash like normal from recovery.
If you experience FC's on the first boot, you may need to wipe your SD-ext. This can be done from the Recovery Menu under the "wipe" sub-section.
[SIZE="4"]Partition-ing [/SIZE]
-Make a backup of everything on your SD card.
-From the recovery menu choose Partition sdcard.
-Choose Partition SD
-Select the defaults for all the sizes.
-Choose SD:ext2 to ext3
-Copy back all of your files.
[SIZE="5"]Bugs[/SIZE]
-None...This rom just works.
[SIZE="5"]Thanks[/SIZE]
-Tkirton for his Apps2SD and for being in general an awesome guy.
-Jcase for his Plain Jane Base.
-Zanfur for his kernel.
[SIZE="5"]Screenshots[/SIZE]!
[SIZE="4"]Remember this is Stock based so theres not going to be many graphical tweaks other than the Espresso Launcher[/SIZE]
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mine is simple though, its just for people that like the simplicity of Plain Jane but filled their internal memory.
I Really wasn't trying to step on anyone toes, my bad.
This is so people have to waste their time, like me, getting a2sd to work on plain jane like i did.

t2noob said:
mine is simple though, its just for people that like the simplicity of Plain Jane but filled their internal memory.
I Really wasn't trying to step on anyone toes, my bad.
This is so people have to waste their time, like me, getting a2sd to work on plain jane like i did.
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oh your not stepping on toes.
if anyones stepping on toes here its me releasing smash right after this.
i was kinda worried to release mine-i actually PM'ed you hoping we could work something out without either one of us getting pissed at the other
if you have no problem with it though ill release it once the upload finishes.
haha i just think its ironic that i kept this a secret and you were working on the same thing-i was in no way accusing you of stealing or any of that BS.
best of luck to you, feel free to hit me up anytime. id be glad to help you out with this or any other project you plan on starting.

so what are the perks of an espresso (sp?) rosie?

@Andrizoid Release Away my friend I don't mind.

Erisftw said:
so what are the perks of an espresso (sp?) rosie?
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graphics.
just an FYI though...dont ask about why my rom is/isnt better in his thread. ill have mine up soon enough

Andrizoid said:
graphics.
just an FYI though...dont ask about why my rom is/isnt better in his thread. ill have mine up soon enough
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Sorry to hijack your thread t2. Will probably flash this rom later.
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t2nob!!!! This is just what I have been waiting for!! Thanks soooo much man!!! You rock!

Nice work t2noob!
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t2noob,
Glad you picked this up. lmk if you need anything.
jcase

I tried flashing this rom and I boot looped. I wiped the phone like always after doing a nan back up.
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KillaLude said:
I tried flashing this rom and I boot looped. I wiped the phone like always after doing a nan back up.
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Mmm send me a pm and I'll try to help you out. Did you partition your sd card? That's the only thing I can think that will cause a boot loop.
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Good release ....forgot how smooth Sense can be

Quick question about a2sd: Say you flash to another ROM that also uses a2sd. Do you have to delete any app data on the sd or does the new ROM overwrite it, or neither? LOL. Thanks for this ROM! just flashed and will let you know if there are any issues.

One random reboot. Used my phone for a sec, set it down, looked over and heard the vibrate and it was rebooting.
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semmtexx said:
One random reboot. Used my phone for a sec, set it down, looked over and heard the vibrate and it was rebooting.
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I have been using this rom for a while now and havent had reboots, If you didn't wipe the EXT partition its probably what caused it because most rom's are using the old version of a2sd and not the new one and it might be causing reboots.
If it reboots again let me know so i can see what's causing it.

Had another reboot. Before I flashed, I setup my storage card exactly as your instructions said. Only thing is, how do you know if the apps are being installed on the sd? If I go to data/ there is no app folder but there is in sd/data. Also I read on the darktremor thread about davlik cache decreasing and that can also be moved to storage card. Not sure how to do that though. I know it's not your ROM. Maybe I should try completely wiping and partitioning the card again?
edit: Removed sd card from device and installed apps lose icons and FC. So I guess they are installed to sd. Only thing is the phone rebooted when I reinserted the sd card. Suggestions? Thanks for your help man!!
edit: Oh man it's actually an endless reboot. What to do....
edit: Did a battery pull while it was looping and it booted up fine. No clue whats going on. I'll let you know if it reboots again. Oh man also, after the successful boot, my cd card seems corrupted. In astro, every item is just lines and square with file type "2". I'm going to wipe, repartition and try again.... wish me luck!!

semmtexx said:
Had another reboot. Before I flashed, I setup my storage card exactly as your instructions said. Only thing is, how do you know if the apps are being installed on the sd? If I go to data/ there is no app folder but there is in sd/data. Also I read on the darktremor thread about davlik cache decreasing and that can also be moved to storage card. Not sure how to do that though. I know it's not your ROM. Maybe I should try completely wiping and partitioning the card again?
edit: Removed sd card from device and installed apps lose icons and FC. So I guess they are installed to sd. Only thing is the phone rebooted when I reinserted the sd card. Suggestions? Thanks for your help man!!
edit: Oh man it's actually an endless reboot. What to do....
edit: Did a battery pull while it was looping and it booted up fine. No clue whats going on. I'll let you know if it reboots again. Oh man also, after the successful boot, my cd card seems corrupted. In astro, every item is just lines and square with file type "2". I'm going to wipe, repartition and try again.... wish me luck!!
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Yeah its bad to pull sdcard while the phone is on because thats where all your apps are installed on, if you pull card your phone will look for the apps but wont find them thus causing the fc's
I would do a clean flash and wipe because it sounds like you messed up your sdcard when you pulled it. I've been running this rom for about a week and haven't had a reboot or anything like that.
Make sure you backup your sdcard if you don't want to loose any of your pictures and stuff.
EDIT: make sure you do a ext wipe also.

t2noob said:
Yeah its bad to pull sdcard while the phone is on because thats where all your apps are installed on, if you pull card your phone will look for the apps but wont find them thus causing the fc's
I would do a clean flash and wipe because it sounds like you messed up your sdcard when you pulled it. I've been running this rom for about a week and haven't had a reboot or anything like that.
Make sure you backup your sdcard if you don't want to loose any of your pictures and stuff.
EDIT: make sure you do a ext wipe also.
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Hey t2noob! Well I think I have it this time. I was worried that somehow my sd card was trashed. I was trying to wipe the ext and recovery was giving me an error saying that it was unable to wipe. I had to wipe it using ADB. I completely wiped like 3 times, repartitioned, flashed, and everything seems to be ok. I'm thinking my sd card is possibly on it's way out. Also, I'm hesitant to try putting the Davlik cache on the card. I'll check back in tomorrow if there are any issues. Everything else seems fine though. Do you know of anyway to check and see if there is an issue with the sd card or do they just crap out when their time is up?

[Q] Motorola Flipout rooted. How to apps2sd?

The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?

I just got the flipout from rogers.. Is there anyplace that has a development forum for it? And does it have the efuse ? If it does, is it possible to do what was done with the droid X to it?

How did go so far ghostwheel? I'm eager to hear what else you have figured out.

You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App

ghostwheel said:
The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?
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Hi,
I'd really like to help with that (I'm a confirm dev. for Cliq and CliqXT phones).
Hopefully we can do great things like we did for Cliq and CLiqXT (upgrade to 2.1!). (check my work at http://bit.ly/adlxmod).
First thing would be to generate a system dump (a dump of all the files in the /system partition). Hopefully we then could generate a custom recovery to flash on the phone, and then custom roms, either base on the dump you provide or other roms from other files. Contact me on twitter @adumont (say it's for Flipout) and I'll guide you to generate the dump!
Looking forward to do great things for that litle phone!

I'm in touch with adlxdum to give him my dump but I think we should start a separated thread like "Custom rom, modding (work in progress)" so that we can follow adlxdum work.
And...thx in advance ;-)

flusshd said:
You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
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Worked!
I couldn't repartition the SD card with the program, so I had to partition it myself. But once that was done, thing seem to work well. A bit slower...
I'm not totally sure how to use the app. Internal seems to still be full, but ext2 on the SD is quite empty. I can't seem to be able to tell if an app is installed to internal or external.
I have to try and install some more apps to see if I run out of memory.
Thanks!!

I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.

MrShides said:
I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.
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Yes, I think they are very similar.
One thing that I'm interested in is the accelerometer. On the Flipout, most apps that use it are twisted - for example wikitude, and many games (labyrinth lite works!) I wonder if things work on the charm...

the charm has the same issue.

MrShides said:
the charm has the same issue.
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thanks! Too bad....

Hi ghostwheel
I've tried installing app2card, but I'm having some problems. I got the new version 2.7.2.
As you said, the partition doesnt work. For me it says sd card is full but its empty...
How did you manually partition it?
I've found some tutorials but it was for other phones and they required a custom rom...

I partitioned the card using a linux computer, with the program fdisk.
I allocated 2GB to a partition of type ext2. But, I think there are many alternatives for partitioning a disk, see this page:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f9/how-to-create-ext2-partition-14232/

Wow great link! Many different options! Will try this as soon as I get a micro sd card adapter. Thanks!
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
I just started using this phone and I'm almost running out of memory... this is quite annoying!

longlife_01 said:
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
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Yes, I was having problems. Mainly when restarting the phone, sometimes oodles of apps don't work, including launcher pro, and app2card. You have to remember that when the phone reboots and seems to have FC problems, don't chose any home screen as the default, in case it crashes, and keep a spare app2card to reinstall on the sdcard. I think "severe" problems I had only twice, or so.
So, I have almost no problems. Most of the time it works really well. So well, in fact, that I'm a bit afraid to upgrade it, in case something breaks. And, I totally forgot what it is like to have to delete apps to install another one.
I have more of the opposite problem - finding an app among all those installed takes a realllly long time if you forgot its name. Apps organizer helps.

hello, i am new and i have flipout to test in poland orange network, i just root him using 1st post in this forum, great job! thanks

OK, I am having some problems with the current version of app2card. As I said, sometimes when I turn the device off and back on, app2card fails, and many apps give a FC which starting. Then one needs to fix the apps from app2card. It seems that once that is done, some apps lose some of their data. So, for example, droidwall (excellent program!!), lost all firewall data. I'll have to check if newer versions of app2card don't have this problem. It doesn't happen very often.

Instructions to root Flipout
Hi - I'd consider myself a newbie regarding rooting. I just got the AT&T Flipout - I really like the form factor. I just tried running the Universal Androot from my phone but got the security warning message about only being able to install from trusted sources.
Can someone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks!

it says that with a lot of apps installed like that, including gmote that I downloaded from the developers site. Just look at what you're downloading like you would on any machine

go to settings > Application and tick on unknown sources to be able to install it.

Eris Dual Boot ROM

I'm posting this in General as I don't have the knowledge to port this or develop a similar version for the Slide and I don't want to clutter up the Development forum.
Team ADX over in the Droid Eris forum came up with this gem; a dual boot Eclair Sense/2.2 AOSP ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824072
I don't know if this can be done on our phones, but I thought it possible as you don't need to flash a custom recovery.

man this would awesome... the best of both worlds, run and "stock" ROM so we can still receive updates and still have CM.

i was actually thinking about dual boot just the other day! i dont feel like id be switching back and forth from 2 roms but itd be a great feature for those who do. unfortunately i dont think we have that much developers :/

I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started

KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.

heybobitsme said:
I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
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migueltherocker said:
I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
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You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.

heybobitsme said:
I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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Ok that makes sense. I thought it was pointing to the partitions on the phone telling it to format to a different size for some reason. Then what's preventing us from doing this? Just a lack of a proper script?

I have not poked around with how they are going about doing everything, but I was the one who got the ball rolling with my dual boot linux script. Conap took the basic setup and made some changes to just install them both on the phone and sdcard. Here is the basic of what it is doing....
The init.rc file found in boot.img has been modified for the froyo rom on the sdcard. The lines where it mounts [email protected] , [email protected], and [email protected] have been changed to the partitions on the sdcard (/dev/block/mcblk0px) The updater-script for froyo has been modified to flash the rom to the partitions on the sdcard. There are some gscripts which are ran from the phone that either modify or replace the boot.img for the rom you want to boot into.
The froyo ROM is running completely off the sdcard and the recovery is left untouched. The script that is required if you are using clockworks is because clockworks sbin and folder locations are setup a little different. I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. I am working on something that should run from all android phones and allow you the option of installing whatever ROM you want.
One Last Thing..
Anyone is capable of learning how to do some development work. It just takes some patience and "Google". I had no knowledge of linux or any other scripting languages, except windows batch scripts, until 3 months ago.
There is not much activity on my thread, but once I get a working version finished it will be posted there-----Dual Boot Android

When you get it done and own working, post it in development. I only posted the thread in general because I knew I wasn't going to be the one to develop it. I'm a welder by trade and java and linux are a little beyond me. Although I am trying as I'm using Ubuntu as my main OS and starting reading java tutorials.
Sent from my CM6 Slide

heybobitsme said:
You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.
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If there was ever a reason to get a dev started on a project, this would be it. I would reconsider upgrading from the Slide if we had something this awesome.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. [/URL]
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From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.

s off is tmobs response to....
KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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The "companies" wanted s-off due to the large number of brix getting returned for handest exchange and assurion claims, just to figure out somebody pooched sumthin up trying to be a HAXOR, if you haven't done anything like this before. Id suggest peeps get a g1 or some other root & rom-o-matic type for and play with it till you take on your brand new handset trying to install some bleenin edge hack...
You gotta learn to wank off before you can try it with somebody else in the room.
I remember my early days at xda, hacking my mda, xcaliber, and esato hacking SonyEricsson fones before they jumped the shark. People who had the ability to read and follow directions (emphasis on the read part) would study till they were sure they would still have a working fone at the end. Hung out and did great stuff with there handsets. And the noobs were wary enough to investigate before they just started mucking about.
So the handset manu. Had to do sumthin and now we have s-off.
the moral of my high and mighty rant an rave, if you don't know how to do sumthing or if you understand what to do but not the why, then keep reading, read more do less

KCRic said:
From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.
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In the newest builds they have 2.1 system on the phones system partition and froyo system on the phones data partition. The data is moved to the SD. 2.1 and previous Rome had no problem with extra partitions on the sdcard.froyo changed the way it mounts the sdcard and could only see 4.
I am actually releasing a dual boot method very shortly that should work on any android phone with very little setup required on your part. I am in the process of finalizing it. Anyone interested in testing please let me know as I want to test on as many devices ad possible
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User's guide to installing data2ext mod

Setting Up Data2Ext with RA 1.7 Recovery​I made this guide for my own personal future use and decided to share it with the community. I take no credit whatsoever for this information or the files used to install this mod on your phone. Credit for the guide goes to Laie1472 who spent several hours walking me through the process in the absence of good instructions for our device. If you don’t know what this mod does or could potentially do to/for your phone, don’t install it. Please read this entire guide before flashing or asking questions which may already have been answered. As the title states this is for users who have RA 1.7 Recovery installed. If you don’t have RA 1.7 recovery, you can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10531580&postcount=5
Now on with the guide:
Step 1. Back up your sd card to your computer as this process will format and partition your sd card.
Step 2. Reboot into recovery and select partition sd (this will wipe everything on your card). You will be given 3 prompts….swap, ext. 2, & Fat 32. Partition as follows:
Swap=0
Ext2=1024
Fat32=remainder
Step 3. Since the above step erased everything on your sd card, now would be a good time to do a nandroid backup.
Step 4. Download & place on the root of your sd, the data2ext2-v7.zip attached to this thread, but DO NOT FLASH IT YET.
Step 5. Decide whether or not you’re going to use your current rom or install a new rom (easier). If you’re going to use your current, you’re going to want to uninstall all of your apps & theme in order to utilize the additional memory you’ll be freeing up on your phone. If you’re going to use a new rom download it & the appropriate gapps and move them to the root of your sd.
Step 6. Boot into recovery, wipe, and flash your new rom & gapps. Boot into your rom and sign in, but don’t install any of your apps.
Step 7. Reboot back into recovery and flash the data2ext2-v7.zip
Step 8. Boot into your rom & open Terminal Emulator.
Type the following commands minus the ( )
su
mount|egrep mmcblk0p2
(this should return nothing but a #)
Now type:
mke2fs -m0 -b4096 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2
(let the scripts run….when they finish you’ll type the next line)
data2ext --enable
(You should now be prompted to reboot, so type)
Reboot
Step 9. Once you’re rebooted go to settings/storage. You should now see .94 GB or so of available space… Congratulations you’re almost done.
Step 10. The performance boost. Open Terminal Emulator again and type:
su
busybox mount -o remount,noatime,nodiratime, /mnt/asec/ext/ext2 /data
reboot
Step 11. You’re finished, but before you re-install your apps read the You Should Know section of this guide.
You Should Know:​Now say you want to make a backup of your rom and you have data2ext enabled
do this
Boot into recovery and choose backup and restore. Then choose
create nandroid+ext back up
after it's done always flash the data2ext zip and reboot.
Say aosp/cm/whoever releases an updated rom and you want to update your rom and keep all your apps and theme and settings
Do this
Boot into recovery and make a nand+ext back up by following the steps above. "you don't have to if you already have good backup''
Now wipe cache and davlik-cache and flash then flash the rom update then flash the data2ext zip and reboot
Say you want to flash a new kernel with data2ext enabled
Do this
Boot into recovery wipe cache and davlik-cache. Then flash the kernel then flash the data2ext zip and reboot.
If you ever need to wipe cache or davlik-cache always flash the data2ext zip right after then reboot
PLEASE NEVER WIPE THE SD EXT unless your redoing the whole mod or just want to start fresh
AGAIN NEVER WIPE THE SD EXT
this will more that likely result in a boot loop and make all your once good nands useless
and you might have to reflash your recovery
Say you want to flash a sense rom to update prl/profile.
Do this
Boot into recovery wipe data,cache and davlik cache
then flash sense rom and update.
Then reboot back into recovery wipe data,cache and davlik-cache then choose which nand you want to restore after it's done restoring flash the data2ext zip and reboot
Always flash the data2ext zip after doing a nand restore.
Also with this mod it's not recommended to let your battery die or do a battery pull. If you do you might have to reflash your recovery and redo the whole mod over.
Also only shut down you phone with the rom options
apps like quick shutdown and hot reboot etc will not play nice with this mod. So only use the roms power options to shut down.
If you ever want to disable this mod, open Terminal Emulator and type:
su
data2ext --disable

Nice, I should add this to my links thread, you think?

il Duce said:
Nice, I should add this to my links thread, you think?
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Go for it. Maybe it'll help someone besides me.
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Need some help, I tried flashing data2ext2-v7.zip and this is what I get...
Code:
Install from sdcard...
Finding update package...
Opening update package...
Verifying update package...
E:No signature (10 files)
E:Verification failed
Installation aborted.
This was using the file in the OP with RA 1.7
Everything went fine, partitioned, wiped, fresh install of rom and gapps, rebooted, signed in, rebooted to recovery and then no go trying to flash data2ext
Any help would be great.

Try flashing this one. Let me know when you get it. Thanks.
Link sent via pm.
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laie1472 said:
Try flashing this one. Let me know when you get it. Thanks.
Link sent via pm.
#Root/Hack-Mod_Always*
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Thanks a bunch. Got it and worked perfect. Just have to do the performance boost (What does that do really?) then going to look at the S-Off thing. I have put that off for a long time but might as well go for it.
Thanks to both of you for the nice tutorial here and the help.

Pm sent. And no prob glad you got it worked out. Also recommend s-off via darch's method.
#Root/Hack-Mod_Always*

Installed and so far so good. Hopefully this works much better then apps2sd did. That made me just about want to smash my phone it was lagging so bad. lol

Hippie459MN said:
Thanks a bunch. Got it and worked perfect. Just have to do the performance boost (What does that do really?) then going to look at the S-Off thing. I have put that off for a long time but might as well go for it.
Thanks to both of you for the nice tutorial here and the help.
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OP has been updated with the SIGNED version of Data2ext.zip. Sorry Hippie, I uploaded the unsigned version to the guide. Thanks Laie1472 for hooking him up, while I was asleep.

I'm really considering this mod right now but have a concern with the battery pull portion of it since I have a 14-month old daughter that sometimes thinks the phone is a toy. lol
Question: If I disable the mod will it automatically move all /data back onto the phone? Assuming of course I have enough internal memory for it to be moved over, will it transfer automatically?
Really good write-up, thanks for taking the time to do so.

hockeyfamily737 said:
OP has been updated with the SIGNED version of Data2ext.zip. Sorry Hippie, I uploaded the unsigned version to the guide. Thanks Laie1472 for hooking him up, while I was asleep.
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No problem at all. Your guide worked perfect and turns out it was super easy.
I also am happy to be back RA Recovery. Was using Clockwork for a short while and while its nice, RA is much better I think. Thats just me though.
Got me a **** ton of space now and phone is moving right along again. Thanks again guys.

srkmagnus said:
I'm really considering this mod right now but have a concern with the battery pull portion of it since I have a 14-month old daughter that sometimes thinks the phone is a toy. lol
Question: If I disable the mod will it automatically move all /data back onto the phone? Assuming of course I have enough internal memory for it to be moved over, will it transfer automatically?
Really good write-up, thanks for taking the time to do so.
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I've been using this mod for a couple of weeks now and have had to do a couple of battery pulls with no negative effects on my phone. There are obviously things that can go wrong, but no guarantees they will. I've enabled it, disabled it, gone back to a sense rom, updated my Orlando & gone back without trouble....but you wont know for sure how your phone responds until you try it.
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Damn auto-correct......updated my PRL....not Orlando.
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Thanks, Hockey. I'm going to give it a go and see how it goes for me. I know there are always risk and not all phones/experiences will be the same. Let's hope for the best

srkmagnus said:
Thanks, Hockey. I'm going to give it a go and see how it goes for me. I know there are always risk and not all phones/experiences will be the same. Let's hope for the best
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No problem, just back everything up to your pc and do a nand backup before you start and you have nothing to lose and about 3/4 gb of storage to gain

At step 8 I get "/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" when I input mke2fs -m0 -b4096 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2. The only deviation I made is I had to get a TE from the market since the one that comes with jaybob's rom won't accept numerical input.

Tibson said:
At step 8 I get "/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" when I input mke2fs -m0 -b4096 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2. The only deviation I made is I had to get a TE from the market since the one that comes with jaybob's rom won't accept numerical input.
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I've never run Jaybob's rom, so I'm not sure if this is a rom specific thing, because I have used it on Deck's Gingerbread, Aosp, & CM7. What did you get when you typed:
su
mount|egrep mmcblk0p2
That should have returned only: #
Also which terminal emulator did you get from the market (I use Android Terminal Emulator by Jack Palevich) and were you using the default gingerbread keyboard (as opposed to swype, slide it, etc.)?

Jo
hockeyfamily737 said:
I've never run Jaybob's rom, so I'm not sure if this is a rom specific thing, because I have used it on Deck's Gingerbread, Aosp, & CM7. What did you get when you typed:
su
mount|egrep mmcblk0p2
That should have returned only: #
Also which terminal emulator did you get from the market (I use Android Terminal Emulator by Jack Palevich) and were you using the default gingerbread keyboard (as opposed to swype, slide it, etc.)?
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I was using the default GB keyboard, and I got the same TE from the market. When I typed mount|egrep mmcblk0p2 I get "/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 on /sd-ext type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,barrier=1,nodelalloc,data=writeback)" then it goes back to just #. I was burned out last night, now I can think again. Seems like maybe the ext partition is ext3 when it should be ext2? I'm using RA 1.7 and I followed the directions for partitioning the sdcard.

About a year ago I used apps to SD for a short while then stopped, is it possible that the ext part from then is still there and conflicting with the new partition from RA 1.7? I would have thought it would be wiped during the new partitioning. The only ext visible from TE is the new one, but that's all I can come up with.

I installed the setup last night without a hitch. Using Kushdeck's latest ROM and so far so good. Re-installed all my apps from Titanium Backup without a problem and everything going smooth. Once again, thanks for the detailed how-to and informative comments to update the ROM