we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!
Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update
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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)
Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)
I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.
The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )
Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.
I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.
though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network
I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.
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Since I got my Xperia X10, I have been following xda forum quiet regularly. I started to notice a trend in the posts of Xperia X10 threads. This trend is commonly known as Kubler-Ross model or "5 stages of grief".
1st Stage: Denial- "No we have Multitouch..........it just needs to be rooted"
2nd Stage: Anger- "F** SE, A**h**e SE, I will never buy their products etc...."
3rd Stage: Bargaining- "OK if Paul starts working on it then we can have the root"
4th Stage: Depression- "I will not be fooled by SE again, going to HTC next time...." or "Iphone has a good operating system"
5th Stage: Aceptance-"Well it does what the box says......"
I am currently between 3 and 4, but there are lots of ppl in stage 2. And they are cursing each other in Android Developement thread. I am not sure how much developement has been done but I can see very well the stages of grief going on. This is becoming a serious issue now
I think the dev should just stop whatever they are doing and make an app, which just say "Everything is OK, it's JUST a phone".
Non devs please state your stage of grief. Only by consulting and more discussing about your stage of grief, will make you feel better. So please write your stage and how many time you click on refresh and how is this effecting your life
Hi, my name is Bikram. I press the refresh buttom atleast 4 times within an hour. This is making me unproductive at job.
rofl, I can't believe i just read that post. stage 3
isn't it an achievement SE made this trend?
since it's not happening anywhere but SE thread so i am supposed this is SE problem not we user
anyway i am 2,3,4
Hi, I'm thunderpossum, and I'm a stage 5 refreshaholic.
Boredom is what keeps me coming back.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
I'm between 4 & 5. Accepting its comfortably the best phone i ever owned. With equal measure of annoyance that SE have ' gone dark' on us. Ace thread by the way!
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
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i have no idea how much time you been frustrating with SE but for me i already experienced on w960 and x1 now x10 is the third time they made a nice looking and decent hardware device out of the competition because they took a hell of long time to develope their horrible os before they launch the product and have no problem giving their so called flagship product out there with unbearable cripple which is cause by software issue.
so if you ask me do i think they will do it again the next time?
i think they'll not even hesitate to do so!
I guess there is another stage after 5 for ppl waiting 2.2 and other cool things that can make x10 the perfect phone
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro/tag/xperia
I think i skiped all those stages, I've been a long term fan of SE and accept them even with their many failings! As for the x10 i love it, its been a while since i've had a touch screen phone (had a p900 then went to candybar phones for a while) so i'm enjoying being back and having a weath of apps at my fingertips. I bought the phone fully aware that it was 1.6 and that SE said it would be in q4 before the big update comes (which I take to mean 'at some time after q4', I've been with se way too long to beleive a definate when they give it!) so i'm happy with my purchase.
As for issues and bugs its had this is all standard stuff with a new anything, especially when its something new for the company too, its something you have to accept as an alpha consumer otherwise you will drive yourself mad with frustration!
Stage two and I'm sending the bill for my anger management classes to SE lol. I hit refresh more times than I can count in a day (at least a dozen times during my morning b m). I need help, I'm going to go for addictions counselling tomorrow. They think I need to go through the 12 step program. It's just hard admitting I have a problem.
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Well, i'm probably stage 5 from the beginning.
I knew what i'll buy.
What i don't like about SE?
They are slow as a donkey riding a pig.
What i don't like about N1? Is made by HTC.
What i don't like about HTC? Well, is HTC.
I wish i could buy the Motoroi or Galaxy S had at least a flash light like X10
oh crap, looks like I hit stage 4, I was actually impressed with apples updates in ios4 I can't believe I actually considered owning one of those useless idevices again
stage 4 ,but i already have htc phone but windows os not android (hd2)
I know full well what to expect from SE after owning the X1 and X2. The X2 is on it's way back now and I am getting an x10 in return. Heck if I could get my money back I would! However, the X10 is one sexy looking phone, you gotta give it that.
I did a lot of research on what the X10 can and can't do, and I am prepared for that, so I wont get angry. Trust me, it's nothing compared to MR1 on the X2... ugh! I would have gone with another brand based on that alone, but we can only hope the updates come complete and pre-tested for the X10. After the mess they made on the X2, I am sure they want to take their time to release the latest updates.
Multi touch? who knows, maybe SE is limiting multi touch on purpose to keep Apple off their lawsuit radar
I have been in stage 5 since a month before i even got it, couse, like iv'e said on several threads here hating everyting, i knew what i was paying for couse i did my homework. And one can not just assume root comes to every device. I happy with my phone, yet though i am starting to get really confused about the so called "may upgrade" and will it contain onefinger-pinch-zoom? I hope so. Cheers!
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I am happily on 5th stage, right after the 1st stage.
I skipped the 3 stages in between, as they would ruin my mojo!!!
Hey Guys.
Might be flamed for this, but at this point in time I don´t really care.
Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting, im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore, tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
im selling my X10 and getting the HTC Desire, will throw the 2.2 on it, and im sure it will make me more happy
How is it with other X10 users ?
just go ahead. im happy with X10 and waiting for upgrade to 2.1 in my opinion, Desire is too ugly to hold. everyone has different perception of a cellphone. so it is meaningless to ask for others' comment.
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I wish you all the best and hope you find true happiness.
I guess you haven't been watching the dev forum soooo peace.
You should own what makes you happy. I am frustrated too for SE slowness with updating but nothing out there is as sweet as X10 in looks, comfort, and sexiness to my taste. Not even close. So, I am happy to be stuck with this beast.
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well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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I Can´t agree with you more m8, the X10 is by far one of the best looking phones out there.
I think the saying goes, Newer Judge A Book By It´s Cover
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Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
How is it with other X10 users ?
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I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.
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well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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+ Desire is not useable in sunlight
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3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
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Haha well said and 2.1 update was to come in Q4, BUT now it's coming in Q3.
Oh great another whaaaaaaaaaaaaa thread!
Good luck with that OP.
Are You Mental...........
Well thats an interesting question, of course its a choice of personal preferance, but just look at the X10...............damn good looking handset, but if superficial attraction isnt your thing then i suggest trying it out, mine does everything i ask of it, used to have battery issues but since i updated to RB020 it isnt a problem, hit the 90 hour mark before needing to plug in for a recharge and that was with moderate usage calls and text and some facebucket, most are complaining about the 3g sucking the battery but i believe they are forgetting that these mobiles arent designed for web fanatics and their social websites, if you want to sit allday on your web get a laptop, as far as on the go communication goes its perfect, and with the update fast approahing it will only get better, the camera is sweet as it gives clear and detailed images, ok the call volume sucks if you are in a noisy enviroment but ive been using my handsfree so no problem, sensititvity is spot on, and of course it looks excellent............
+1 on that Andiiboy
1. Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting,
2.im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore,
3.tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
4.Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
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1.Learn java/android and help the dev team with the 2.1/2.2 FW
2.Learn java/android and make the app compatible with your version
3.Learn java/android and write your own programs, or better yet wait for app inventor.
4.OMG I to want to sit and watch live wallpaper!!
X10 definetely has the potential to be great and the true fans will stick it out. So if your looking for reasons to stay you will not get one from me. I think you have already made up your mind so I think the saying goes "Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"
Just wait once 2.1 comes out its going to be one of the best 2.1 android out there.....
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I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.
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mind show me how yours insane high end cell phone look like?
Anyhow, why get a desire. Isn;t Evo 4g the highest tier of HTC that is out in he market.
for OP: Just don't come back crying to us when our x10 can shoot laser beams and call in Godzilla to step on those Iphone users and use the "FORCE".
If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....
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If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....
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But there is no reception problem with the phone, it's just a software error. If Jobs said so then it must be true.
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heeelllooooo
Iphone 4 not a hardware problem but software......................well apparently, and im quoting the guys at apple, its not just a software problem but a hardware problem, they have admitted that the phone is beset with problems and has been since its conception, do yourself a favour dont waste your money, get an X10 and have the sweetest looking handset out, forget about the bad press as all these little foibles that the buyers have been grumbling about (you cant please *****es) as these will be sorted and a good few of them have been already, pretty soon we will be getting Android 2.1 (with a few added pleasures curtesy of SE, as Android 1.6 isnt a standard Android 1.6, its a customized SE version of Android so im speculating that when 2.1 comes it too will have that extra SE vava voom) and lets not forget the added bazinga bonus of having HD photo and video capture (a real bonus for all the homemade porn directors muhahahaha) so stop the grumbling pleeeeeaaaase, Iphone sux and X10 rocks, just hold on for a little while (and since most of you have waited longer for some action from your girlfriends) it will be over in a flash but worth the wait!!!!! muhahahahaha
I'm a big SE fan, but this somehow makes me smile....
www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-0...e-world-s-largest-android-phone-supplier.html
Haha Darn! you beat me by a minute!
It'll be the Japanese market.. the X10 is more popular than air over there..!!!!
More like Android 1.6's largest handset maker
yeah and i want to become worlds greatest dictator
I wouldn't dismiss the idea that quickly. Here in Sweden SE is a very popular brand and by the looks of it they're popular in Japan as well. If they decide to go with Android on all their future phones and start marketing them more aggressively in the US they have a chance. They have the production capacity for it, they're well known and even if all models aren't fantastic there's no denying the build quality of their devices. Even though I've passed up SE phones because of their crappy software I've always been impressed by how well built and solid their phones feel.
With good marketing and if they get better at working on Android their chances are pretty good. They have the infrastructure to reach that goal, that goes a long way.
Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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dude its not about flaws in their software ... its about how they handle it ...
the incall volume is so ****ed up for a lot of people - when you talk to the customer support they tell you something like this "for me its okay - if you dont like it you can send your phone in" their official support form is full with topics about it ... same goes for the standby time ... it says 17 days on their homepage ... i asked customer support about it and he told me my phone must be damaged - i can send it in ... (he also said he gets 3 days of standy - i am pretty sure it doesnt even last 17 days when you turn it completely off^^)
i knew the support would suck ... but the hardware is quite good (besides from the lack of multitouch) - i just bought it coz i have faith in the community that they ll release custom roms soon
SE has released only one(3 version of same) android phone in the market in past 2 years when HTC has released atleast 4 or 5 and plus they are upto 2.2 on most of their phones. I don't think SE can catch to them any time soon just based ads showing Timescape
SE ship twie the number of phones as compared to HTC having come down from a stage where they shipped 6x more phones. So they are pretty capable as we all know. Now with Sony into the mix, SE phones would have PS3 compatibility, remote play, access to Sonys own online store, access to more Sony brands like VAIO, BRAVIA, etc. Well..
Sony has been associated with Ericsson for ages (from an IT time perspective) so one would think they'd at least be nipping at Nokia's heels by now. But who knows? Maybe Android will be the push they need to pump some much needed energy in to the brand? Time will tell, as long as they don't ditch Android I'll stay satisfied.
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right 100%
Yeah that'll only happen if the secret owner of Sony Ericsson is Chuck Norris... cause only Chuck Norris can make that happen..! lol
They sure have the hardware capacity to get it done, but they are just so stupid and arrogant that I do not think it'll ever happen.
If they're serious, I'd swap in the current software department for some new blood.
It's really crazy how companies nowadays can't even get simple things done right.
As the old saying goes... "too many chiefs and not enough indians".
Until SE gets their act together and stops all the internal bickering and movement within the ranks, this will never be a realistic goal for them to achieve.
I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with your statement. We don't really know the reason. I read it in some post somewhere else that it's ready, but they want to test it thoroughly before releasing to the general public...
Whoever is responsible for being so slow to update, I somehow doubt that it's their developers. They are just doing what they are told by management. If Sonys developers are anything like other software devs I know they are not too happy with releasing their product with 1.6 instead of 2.1 or 2.2...
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Impossimpable! (Hope someone gets it - HIMYM).
jk btw don't take badly
I've only ever used mobile phones before.. Never been into the technology, so the whole firmware update thing never really concerned me too much..
Just read this on the htc legend forums..
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I think you are missing the point here. HTC are VERY slow at releasing updates for their phones. If they cared about their customers just a little bit more, all 2010 models would have Android 2.2 now. And yes, we expect updates to be released. Could well bee that updatet products are of no interess for you, but for others that have experienced HTC for years now, we are starting to be tired of all the delays.
It's a shame HTC have no real competition, the day they do you can be sure customers will not accept this **** any more.
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Suggests htc aren't really any better than SE!
So maybe things aren't so bad after all..
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Maybe its just that people love to hate. Still, we don't see htc missing deadlines do we..
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SE is not bad, they can't keep up with their promise. This is not the first time as same thing happened with X1 and X2 as far as I experienced it myself. SE is awesome but it could be even better, way more!
The difference is that pretty much all(?) HTC's are running at least 2.1 at this point, and increasingly more are getting 2.2. Also, HTC spends more time working on their software than on locking down the phone, so most(all?) phones can be flashed with custom ROMs.
HTC owners are mad about being behind in firmware, and SE owners are just mad about being slightly further behind...
i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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Difference is that HTC are reasonably commited to providing up to date OS for their phones. Where as SE won't even commit to 2.2. We are over a year behind, HTC owners complain about being a month or two behind, HUGE difference. Additionally, HTC tend to have relatively easy to crack bootloaders or even provide unlocked bootloaders for some phones. Unlike SE, they don't invest time in perfecting the DRM and locking out the customer; same goldcard method has been available for years. They do JUST enough to cover their corporate butt, but don't go out of their way to stop you voiding your warranty. SE FOCUS on locking the customers out and retaining control of their hardware, PS/PSP made them very, very good at it; they are much better than Apple for example - put it this way, the iPhone is a more open device than our SE phones. I'm never buying another SE product again, in fact, the vineyard I work at was offerred a bunch of X10s by vodafone as upgrades for our staff; I made sure we went with iPhones instead. Ok, it was only six sales SE lost - but it made me feel a lot better. ;-)
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i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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A) their programmers are actually very good, just that they are trying to stop us doing what we want.
B) The reality is, we may NEVER be able to get custom roms. There are formidable obstacles in our way and SE are very good at DRM. The dev community is very small compared to HTC, and miniscule compared to the number of people working on jailbreaking Apple's products
You do have a point.
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YES SE MAKE ME ANGRY
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Actually no, they are not bad at all. Just because they delayed an update doesnt make them bad. I had quite a few SE phones before this one and they were always amazing phones in their time like the w810 and k850i. SE phones are reliable and very well built with very good spec and features. I have always trusted SE phones and will continue to. A lot of the people here talk out of their ass, but just watch when SE come out with their next super device all those people that say never again im buying SE phone will be the first ones to get it. Its always like that. For a first android phone i think they did an amazing job. The phone is a machine, tough, stable, reliable with great spec and the best camera in the market. So my opinion is they are not bad at all.
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The best camera?
I dont get the point Have you ever compare the picture captured by x10 with an HD2 one? I dont think we are having the best camera fone on the market (smart phone only).
I like the design of x10, i like its specs also, but i dont like the software (OS) and the way SE treat their customers.
And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
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And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
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Why are you judging the screen quality based on a widget? Sometimes the graphics are of low quality. Try using SpringPad widget or Recodroid widget. They look perfect. ;-)
Seriously, half of you idiots actually realize this phone was announced september 09.
It was released like Jan or Feb. This phone is first targeting the Japanese audiences, not you americans nor europeans at first. I am pretty sure the japanese might have this phone a lot more early.
Now back to the point, why are you comparing to a phone that is already 1 years behind the competitiion. THIS is AN OLD PHONE.
Do you still get update on your w810 or whatever? NO, old phone don't update themselves. You either get a new phone to go with your little friends on their pursue for "greater numbers" or join Iphone community where no one will complain about thier OS.
Let SE does their own job, if you don't like the phone, for god saken, thrash it or sell it and do yourself a favor, buy a new phone. I am sick of reading thread every time i open this link to see more "SE sucks and such".
Are you guys like some 5 years old kids complaining about their toys not being the latest? Geez, get off the forum already.
From usability & build quality standpoint SE is not bad. The problem IMO is the x10 has a why the hell did they do that factor. Why the hell is SE taking so long to release 2.1? Why the hell is the 2.1 upgrade only supporting 65k colours instead of 16m? Why the hell did SE leave out MT hardware support? It doesn't matter if you find any of these features useful what does matter IMO is that SE's rivals have these features.
This is se's first android phone so they started with nothing. HTC's first androids were craptastic. But now that HTC have their software developed they can release 10 new phone a year and only have to adapt the software a little. Se will get better with their software it just takes time.
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Well, now that we've gotten 2.3 which is nice and all.
It's wellmade and all... But one thing strikes me as.. quite odd...
Remember when 2.2 roms was beginning to pop up and how people showed to SE
that hey, 2.2 WAS possible and it ran much better than their 2.1, despite their claim that it wouldnt... And SE's answer was that we wernt REALLY running Froyo, we were just using Froyo system, backported to the Eclair kernel... Now with 2.3 released. SE is doing the same? Yet now, when they do it, it's actually Gingerbread? Or have I missed something major? Im not in any way unhappy about SE releasing 2.3, dont get me wrong here.. Just finding it quite odd how a company like SE can claim it's not really froyo when XDA devs do it.. And then turn around, do it themself and claim that now it's real.
Essentially SE have proved that they excel at talking out of their own anus and wouldn't know honesty if it punched them in the face.
I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday.
But I've been thinking for a while that SE talk out of their ass Cox when rikard said about 16m colours not being implemented coz of "too much redevelopment" which is bull coz they were developing a new os anyway but hey what can we do?
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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I've been thinking about my privacy since Google is known for stealing their users info. And yeah, Android is far from complete, rapid development shows it all.
I wondered why it ran like ****, and I knew it was too good to be true that SE would finally unleash the full potential of the X10.
I've had my X10 for 15 months now, and only 9 months to go until my contract ends. It will be the last SE phone I ever get, and I repeatedly tell anybody who asks to avoid SE phones like the plague.
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It was possible for SE because they patched the old kernel to work with GB. If you can see the kernel version that is only possible for SE since they might have modified since they have Bootloader access. We would have got much better phones only if BL was unlocked. I.e We could have changed Kernel versions.
For SE possibilities are endless because the have all the sources and they havent released it
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Unfortunately there's not much we can do.
Sony probably thought that if they delay 2.3 people will jump to Arc and the rest, but realized that since many people had the X10 - they needed to save the face and act like they were in trouble.
However, the phones are not extraordinary - I find Arc buttons unappealing (1mm below and they would have been pointing down, hard for my big fingers to reach them). The others are big and clunky..
HTC is no better, you have 7 buttons to press at the bottom, 4 virtual on the phone case, 3 software on top. I have colleagues which own HTC phones for half an year and more, and they still get confused what to press when they want to show something on the phone.
Samsung and the blunder with S2 screens (yellow patch, or either too yellow color temperature) or with the battery heating etc.
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
And so on.
I wish Leica would build mobile phones
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I lold at your comment for a while.
If you don't like ARC, that's your choice but what does a hardware button has to do with android OS?
Android itself is not a mature OS (I mean is stable), but after having Symbian, Windows and Android, Android gives me the impression that you have to work a lot around the software so that you can get cool things done (or nice integrations). On WM6 it showed the weather if you wanted to make an appointment - so that you know. People like it because they believe its free, but it comes with a price, you give valuable information to Google about your habits and they can sell it for much money probably that you get by having some nice apps.
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OMG. Really?
I've used every OS out there,Android,Symbian,iOS,Bada OS and even OS that runs with Java support and I call you. Android is the best OS we have now.
Did you say android ain't stable? You joking right? If you use right tweaks and correct adjustments you'll see where android takes you. android has the best customizations ever. If you use something like iOS you'll see you're limited in resources like ex: overclocking which can be done on android.
WM6 is one of the crappiest OS's Ive seen. (HTC HD2) and I gotta tell you it has got nothing. No innovation nor whatsoever. Heck it does not even have Real Multi tasking (It's been implemented in orange lol).
Android currently the major and the top OS's out there and if you say it's not good either you need to check your mobile (for hardware problems) or you must be an iOS fanboy
No disrespect meant but this was my honest review.
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It was possible for SE because they patched the old kernel to work with GB. If you can see the kernel version that is only possible for SE since they might have modified since they have Bootloader access. We would have got much better phones only if BL was unlocked. I.e We could have changed Kernel versions.
For SE possibilities are endless because the have all the sources and they havent released it
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Since SE have the codes for the bootloader, they can release using any kernel they wished really... That wasnt the point though... The diffrence in the kernelversions between the two is quite minimal anyway... But I do find it intresting that SE was saying how we wernt at all running Froyo then, yet now are saying they've released Gingerbread... One or the other cannot possibly be true... Either this isnt truly Gingerbread, or we were truly running Froyo (and gingerbread) before this and not just backported parts of those. Personally, I dont really care which as Im less intrested in questions of "what is this" and more intrested in "what can this do?", and as it stands, SEs gingerbread, offers alot that XDAs devs have not been able to do yet, such as a fully working camera with the gingerbread system. Makes me wonder though... Do SE spokespeople even remember what they've said about the custom roms? Or are they simply hoping that users wouldnt notice? :/
The problem is that different people make decisions and different people are communicating them. PR people chose bad arguments because they were not expecting something will change in the future.
In business everything is about managing resources. SE were always perfectionists regarding releasing firmwares. Their firmwares are most stable in the business. There are usually only a few bugs that get fixed most of the time. Issues that SE had not fixed to date are probably hardware related. 3G battery drain and low in-call volume most probably depend on drivers, phone chips and operator hardware interactions as not everyone is experiencing them.
With such an approach SE devs are very slow compared to devs here at XDA. They also have more phones to manage at the same time so their management has to prioritize their time. This concludes into decisions that some functions can't be worked on the phones that are not the core of SE business anymore.
As most customers would not understand real reasons PR people have to choose more acceptable arguments to serve them. PR team should have chosen more bullet-proof arguments in the early X10 days. There has been a change in recent communication though.
Lately SE has been very open about the reasons for the company decisions on X10. It is just not 100% effective as usual customer do not care for the company. Customers have just their own needs and expectations. That is natural.
SE found ingenious solution for this problem. They worked on bootloader unlocking possibility for their new phone range so community devs have better access to the phone hardware. This way the community would do what they do not have time to do.
On X10 unlocking bootloader is unfortunately not possible because SE are using licenses that are binding them to protect some parts of the phone. 2011 phones were built with this option in mind hence it is possible there.
Disclaimer: I do not work for SE. I am part of a damage control team at telecommunications company and coordinating communication between our partners, suppliers and customers is my everyday job.
They don't talk nonsense, it was just a deliberate attempt to mislead. Something they have quite a reputation for.
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i think Dante-fu has pretty much hit the nail on the head. the people who make the press statements arent the people who make the firmware and updates. they dont have a dozen guys in white coats working tirelessly on one single rom and then leaving the lab to make an update based on their progress. theyve got 1000s of roms and updates to make, with sometimes a 100 versions per model of phone.. a seperate department is responsible for press releases based on their progress.
i just dont think its as cut and dry as saying.. sony said this and now theyre liars. theyre not one person, its bad enough with the small company im with, people talking about stuff they dont know or being contradicted by new facts they werent aware of. sony are 10000 times bigger and worldwide. maybe they where just plain wrong the first time and XDA showed them how to do somethign they didnt think they could do. wouldnt be the first time. they should follow samsungs lead (when they sent out the galaxy 2 to cyanogenmod) and send a few models to people on xda to play with. i reckon they could get a lot of bugs and upgrades sorted quicker by putting out a bounty to the worldwide community. would save them a lot of money in the long run lol.
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They don't talk nonsense, it was just a deliberate attempt to mislead. Something they have quite a reputation for.
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doing a little mind-reading on the side?
in the end SE gave us what we want 2.3.3. so they respect customers and we should be thankfull cause they're not forced to.. and talking about the hardware .maybe samsung or htc or even Iphone is better in specs . but the build quality of SE is awesome. that's why i'm a SE fan . btw i used smartphones since I-mate and O2
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I've used every OS out there,Android,Symbian,iOS,Bada OS and even OS that runs with Java support and I call you. Android is the best OS we have now.
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No way I'm an Apple fan boy . I've never bought Apple things in my life.
However, about Android - I sure hope you have tried programming all the OS that you mention - I tried both Symbian (standard C++) as well as Qt, Windows Mobile and Android (check my signature). Among all, Android is weird within (maybe towards the users it might look ok, but users don't care).
Objects that disappear (think broadcastreceivers) ? Activities restarted on screen rotate ? It's Java, but it acts weird - you receive objects, but not those that you believe. Also, memory management in Android is like every girl's reality strike - aggressive doesn't mean good.
In Windows mobile at least you had the plain old canvas, your objects that you left there from last run, etc. The problem was that the hardware they chosen was bad and slow - Android is fast, but I think it will struggle in the future - and they just allowed segmentation, different .apks for different type of devices - the J2ME way .... We'll see.
Guys be happy, you got your update! Now enjoy it.
Well, at least SE did something,
This phone is still much batter than so many others.
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I agree with most of what you said... But this part, simply makes no sense... Look.
Prior to android entering the market, SE was one of the biggest players on the market. When android was released, companies that had been quite small in the phone area, was suddenly rising, but by comparison, still smaller. By the time SE released their X10 series, SE was still, one of the major players on the market. Now, minor players, managed to release phones, without locked bootloaders, without a problem, but SE does? Now, do tell me which friggin fantasy world you're living in, where SE as one of the biggest players on the market, have LESS power over the telcos, than tiny newcomers? In the real world, things like that simply dont happen. SE could have had an unlocked bootloader had they wanted to. They dont but that's fine IMO... It was well known that it was locked when it was released and so on. As I've said all along, I just find this hipocrisy to be intresting... Not wrong exactly, just intresting.
I believe that even before X10 was finished - they probably had the other ongoing projects that were meant to catch up with the competition:
a) developers were moved to those new projects leaving X10 unattended
b) hopes were that they will convince people that X10 is good enough by the time they put Play / Arc out, etc.
But unfortunately, the market starts to behave smarter I think. You can't treat people bad, and this shows in sales of Samsung / HTC, the rest (Sony/Nokia) aren't doing great. Apple is also scared, so it sues everything it can - remember the rumor of the russian guy Eldar, Samsung wants to put something out in few months - and Apple is scared not to loose the edge.
I appreciate Sony for not giving up on old phones (not like Nokia did ARRRGGGGHHHH) but I do believe there is a moment when you can say "too late". For me, I prefer to see what Samsung comes up with - for now, X10 is smooth enough...
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I agree with most of what you said... But this part, simply makes no sense... Look.
Prior to android entering the market, SE was one of the biggest players on the market. When android was released, companies that had been quite small in the phone area, was suddenly rising, but by comparison, still smaller. By the time SE released their X10 series, SE was still, one of the major players on the market. Now, minor players, managed to release phones, without locked bootloaders, without a problem, but SE does? Now, do tell me which friggin fantasy world you're living in, where SE as one of the biggest players on the market, have LESS power over the telcos, than tiny newcomers? In the real world, things like that simply dont happen. SE could have had an unlocked bootloader had they wanted to. They dont but that's fine IMO... It was well known that it was locked when it was released and so on. As I've said all along, I just find this hipocrisy to be intresting... Not wrong exactly, just intresting.
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X10 was SE's first android handset. They wanted it on big carrier so they partnered with AT&T. Regardles the fact that SE mentioned legal issues specifically we all know what is AT&T capable of.
They held the iphone users from the whole world hostage for over a year. It was because of them the rest of the world couldn't send MMS, tether their connectivity or download apps like skype from the app store.
In this case I trust SE. AT&T surely bound even their soul.They partnered with devil. And their financial situation was already bad at that point.
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X10 was SE's first android handset. They wanted it on big carrier so they partnered with AT&T. Regardles the fact that SE mentioned legal issues specifically we all know what is AT&T capable of.
They held the iphone users from the whole world hostage for over a year. It was because of them the rest of the world couldn't send MMS, tether their connectivity or download apps like skype from the app store.
In this case I trust SE. AT&T surely bound even their soul.They partnered with devil. And their financial situation was already bad at that point.
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An SE partnership with AT&T would affect no other handset, except the AT&T ones... Also, SE doesnt play "the partner game" like Apple does. AT&T is just like any other telco in the eyes of SE.. Bigger yes, but no diffrent.