Omnia 7/WP7 Initial thoughts - Omnia 7 General

Just thought I would share my thoughts to those who may be interested.
I cannot recomment WP7 as it currently stands my issues with it are as follows:
Power managements is shockingly bad - I remember the days of WM6+ when an application you had left open would sap the life out of the battery in an hour or two - well it seems MS have learnt nothing from this and it still happens. On two occasions (I have only had the phone for 4 days) I have been playing a game (Bejewelled last time), switched off the phone and left it to find a little later it was completely dead - the last time it was on charge through a laptop usb port at the time.
Game loading times - it's a mobile device - I use it for filling a few spare moments and the last thing I want to do is to waste half of those spare moments watching a loading screen. The Omnia 7 is supposed to be faster than most of the HTC devices with their built in SD cards. I ran a little comparison with the iPhone 4. Bejewelled (a very simple game) - loading time on Omnia 7 - 23 seconds, loading time for Bejewelled 2 on iPhone 4 - 4 seconds (loading time from the multitasking tab - instant).
Resuming games - most games I have tried have poor resume ability - halfway through a game and receive a phone call - you have to start again - really annoying and not what I have come to expect - I was impressed when PSP achieved it back in 2005 but to not have it in 2010 is a big mistake.
I have other issues with battery charging - the Omnia 7 needs to be on charge more than it is in use at the moment - iPhone 4 - charge it through your USB port for an hour and it is 50-75% charged - do the same with the Omnia and you get about 25%.
Obviously it is early days for WP7 - but MS are not new to this game - I would have thought they would have learnt more from Google and Apple.
I currently would not recommend WP7 to any of my friends and I have less than 1 day left to decide whether to return my Omnia and exchange it for a Desire HD.

I swapped from a Galaxy to Omnia and on build quality and I much prefer Omnia to Galaxy. I prefer the non recessed screen and the vibrate in windows keys.
Sure WP7 is missing a lot of features that frankly should of been there from day 1 but I knew that comming into this device.
I like the live tiles compared to Galaxy homescreens / Iphone app look. Not to worried about apps at this stage as I am more of a business user so office and outlook are gold for me in this phone.
The rest I am happy to work with over time

de5perate said:
Just thought I would share my thoughts to those who may be interested.
I cannot recomment WP7 as it currently stands my issues with it are as follows:
Power managements is shockingly bad - I remember the days of WM6+ when an application you had left open would sap the life out of the battery in an hour or two - well it seems MS have learnt nothing from this and it still happens. On two occasions (I have only had the phone for 4 days) I have been playing a game (Bejewelled last time), switched off the phone and left it to find a little later it was completely dead - the last time it was on charge through a laptop usb port at the time.
Game loading times - it's a mobile device - I use it for filling a few spare moments and the last thing I want to do is to waste half of those spare moments watching a loading screen. The Omnia 7 is supposed to be faster than most of the HTC devices with their built in SD cards. I ran a little comparison with the iPhone 4. Bejewelled (a very simple game) - loading time on Omnia 7 - 23 seconds, loading time for Bejewelled 2 on iPhone 4 - 4 seconds (loading time from the multitasking tab - instant).
Resuming games - most games I have tried have poor resume ability - halfway through a game and receive a phone call - you have to start again - really annoying and not what I have come to expect - I was impressed when PSP achieved it back in 2005 but to not have it in 2010 is a big mistake.
I have other issues with battery charging - the Omnia 7 needs to be on charge more than it is in use at the moment - iPhone 4 - charge it through your USB port for an hour and it is 50-75% charged - do the same with the Omnia and you get about 25%.
Obviously it is early days for WP7 - but MS are not new to this game - I would have thought they would have learnt more from Google and Apple.
I currently would not recommend WP7 to any of my friends and I have less than 1 day left to decide whether to return my Omnia and exchange it for a Desire HD.
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I just think that if you are going to say just bad things, you should at least provide some more info:
1. WP7 is v1 and very new! iOS is version 4 and exists now for almost 4 years?
2. The same when developing apps (loading times, power management, resuming games - yes WP7 supports app freezing, but developers have to integrate it on the apps, etc...). Can you really say that WP7 is slow? Slower that iPhone 4? No. But if the Bejeweled app is slower of course WP7 is the one to blame... Did you think that most developers just ported the games between platforms?
3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple

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3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple
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To be honest, I've been recommending to my friends to stay away from WP7 for the moment.
unfortunately it doesn't have the flexibility of android nor the variety of apps of iOS
what it does have is eye candy and i think for most people looking for smart phones, that effect will wear out quickly.
what i do believe is that microsoft will make large and quick improvements to bring it up to level with the other OS's

I must agree with the original poster's comments on power management - I'm genuinely shocked by how much this thing eats battery. A half-hour of playing a game on the train and my battery goes from almost fully charged (after a night of being plugged into my desktop) to losing at least a quarter of juice.
Last night, I played a bit of Bejeweled in bed, and when I was done, I lazily returned to the Start screen and left the phone on my bedside table rather than plug it in. The phone was fully charged before I started playing Bejeweled; I don't know how much charge was left exactly when I finished playing (again, a half-hour or so of gameplay), but when I woke up seven hours later, the battery indicator was almost completely empty.
Now, I love a lot about this phone, and I want to be totally happy and recommend it to everyone I know - but as things stand, the battery life and power consumption is absolutely terrible unless you're doing nothing but leaving the phone idle all day long.

gcaw said:
Now, I love a lot about this phone, and I want to be totally happy and recommend it to everyone I know - but as things stand, the battery life and power consumption is absolutely terrible unless you're doing nothing but leaving the phone idle all day long.
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Agreed. The battery life is worse than on my 2 year old Xperia, even when it's not doing anything.

Necroman_AI said:
I just think that if you are going to say just bad things, you should at least provide some more info:
1. WP7 is v1 and very new! iOS is version 4 and exists now for almost 4 years?
2. The same when developing apps (loading times, power management, resuming games - yes WP7 supports app freezing, but developers have to integrate it on the apps, etc...). Can you really say that WP7 is slow? Slower that iPhone 4? No. But if the Bejeweled app is slower of course WP7 is the one to blame... Did you think that most developers just ported the games between platforms?
3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple
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Thanks for your comments - I get the impresion that I offended you personally from your response - I just wanted to provide some thoughts - I can't believe anyone takes this as gospel.
To respond -
1. I think my comment 'it is early days' covered this - what I find amazing is that Microsoft are not new to developing for mobile devices and allowing a 'rogue' app - it doesn't even need to be particularly rogue - to consume all the battery charge while the phone is in a standby state is just schoolboy. Same happens with MW 6.0, 6.5 etc - have they learnt nothing. It is unforgivable as people rely on their phones and should you see you have a half full battery you should be confident that you have at least say 4-6 hours remaining - I use my phone to wake me up for work frequently - if I cannot rely on my phone it is no use to me.
2. Do you really think that app developers simply sloppily porting games between platforms is acceptable? MS have to approve these apps/games before they are available to us mere mortals - they have a huge vested interest in the OS working so they shouldn't allow this laziness to ruin the OS experience.
3. Battery life and reliabilty are huge issues. This OS is going directly up against iOS and it falls way short. I have otehr issues - my phone seems to lose 3G internet access in certain apps - when it happens I test it by opening a web page - that works but my e-mail cannot sync or Xbox Live cannot connect or whatever - I am living in the centre of Milan so 3G availability is not a problem. This is a major problem when they are pushing their cloud services.

Personally i have found the battery life superior to WM6.1
The long loading times some have commented on I have not even noticed. Certainly not 20 seconds plus.
Just for example now i tried...
Unite loaded in 5 seconds.
Halo waypoint in 5 seconds.
Some 3rd party air hockey game loaded in 3 seconds.
Pretty quick to me.
I have found WP7 pretty good so far especially since its V1.0 and have been recomending it to family and friends.
Some things are annoying. One example would be the lack of file system access but i knew about these issues coming into WP7 and as such i don't understand how people can complain that they have bought a handset and are frustrated by it.

I've only had the Omnia 7 for 3 days but I don't find the battery that bad at all.
I have switched EVERYTHING on that saps the battery from day 1 - gps, skydrive uploading, myphone polling, wifi, bluetooth, syncing with zune over wifi, etc.
I am a heavy internet user and of course as it's a new toy have been downloading all the games and playing them too and I don't see see the battery being sapped in an hour or two at all. The battery is low after about 6 hours non-stop game playing and browsing which Is excessive power usage.
The only downside for me Is pressing the search button within Internet Explorer and getting the damn T-Mobile page with the google search. I wish there was a way to switch it back to Bing as I prefer it to google.
Very impressed otherwise, especially how quick the browser is and skydrive with my GB's of photos.
If you are loosing 3G reception then that could be the source of your battery drain as It's not locking on and wasting power.
P.S. In another post you said you had sent the phone back and were swapping It for the Desire?????

I can pretty much co-sign what root beer said.
Coming from a bunch of wm phones and lately iphone 3gs I say the battery is better then the one in the iphone. I have been using the phone a lot with everything turned on and it almost lasted for 2 days.
Really like wp7 and the phone except for the stupid t-mobile homepage in IE and the startup picture.

Switch Bluetooth and WiFi off when they are not needed, also turn the screen brightness to Low, it's actually perfectly usable and there isn't much difference to be honest! You'll find the battery is fine after that. With normal phone, gaming and 3G usage, I charge my Omnia every 2 days.

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MESSAGE to HTC, Tmobile, Android and Google

There is a problem with our battery life and we all know its true... I have even been given a new battery and HTC mains charger
I turn off any service im not using at the time (ie: wifi, BT, GPS, NETGPS,etc) not that I should have to do this, but lets story on track...
My battery will make about 1 day as I am A "power user" but if its not plugged in I wont have the juice for my alarm to wake me up, my wifes Sony Ericsson lasts 4-5 days per charge, but lets not compare apples and oranges, the whi-phone 3g my sister has sahe bought it about the same times as my g1, she hadn't ever heard of "deep cycling" 2-5 times when you get a new phone, she never lets it discharge fully and just tops off all the time, AFAIK she is treating a NIMH cell exactly the wrong way, BUT SHE GETS 1-3 DAYS depending on the type of use, and never turns off ANY of the 3g, gps, net gps, wifi, BT nada and Id say she uses hers alot because its her primary camera, GPS & A/V player
my question is WHY?
Im sure there must be somebody involved with the development of this phone/OS that reads thru here, since there is more exciting stuff coming from XDA than there is the market...
Im gonna add a poll that pertains to battery use...
I wanted to add one very negative one but hit submit not preview, maybe just post and dont vote if none apply..
they better come off a new battery almost all other new phones will get 1-2 day + average use, Ive had phones that could go 3-4. but the state of the art G1 mindblowing innovative phone wont even work a whole day, so what if its bigger than the whi-phone, it has no keyboard.
I for one would like to hear some solid info on a replacement battery and back, for new and existing G1 users, early adopters got the fuzzy end of the lollipop on the HTC->headphone jack adapter I got the headphones with the htc angled adapter from fleabay, so many manufactures stick it to the early adopter, when we are the ones that get the word of mouth going, as people go "WOW that thing is cool!,what is it?! they know when we bought out phones and should be able to figure out when the head phone rev change was made, so send them to the first of the buyers....
IF the battery issue isnt fixed, alot of people will be very angry and the g1 will flop.
I think the bad press is starting to out weigh the good press the G1 and possibly android as a whole is at a crossroad. If the g1 tanks Android will be stained forever...thankfully enuff I dont think XDA-DEV would give up on this badboy, I love this thing, and I love it for what it can be
BhanG
Well stated sir.
HTC/Google need to fix battery problems in G1. Maybe it's soft bug, but maybe it's a hardware bug - Nobody knows
I dunno. With normal use, I get about 12 hours or more from my stock battery. That's about the same as other HTC phones I've had.
there is a battery issue and we are al aware of it.
i have managed to have it last through out the day
just set the brightness to the lowest possible, sleep time to 15 secs
turn off data and wifi and anything else that you are not using
its not how the phone was intended to be used, but it's what i ave to do for now
I find it fine for everyday use. Of course I haven't done a full test but maybe tomorrow I will.
I would like to use my G1 like I use my WinMo but no way I can with the battery.
bhang said:
IF the battery issue isnt fixed, alot of people will be very angry and the g1 will flop.
I think the bad press is starting to out weigh the good press the G1 and possibly android as a whole is at a crossroad. If the g1 tanks Android will be stained forever.
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I think you're exaggerating here a little bit. The battery life, while it got press at first, has faded from the limelight of android news for the general population. The G1 is already far from a flop and I don’t think there’s going to be a sudden mass return of all the handsets sold.
Let’s face it living on the cutting edge means you will get cut sometimes. Your high expectations will not always be met and manufacturers will frequently not care. The battery life is less than what many people expected, but we’ve learned to deal with it. At least we have options (power management, backup batteries, and expanded capacity batteries), but I’d not hold my breath on HTC making any major moves. How long has the issue been going with the TYTN II drivers anyway?
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BUT SHE GETS 1-3 DAYS depending on the type of use, and never turns off ANY of the 3g, gps, net gps, wifi, BT nada
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I have no idea what kind of use gets 1-3 days, but it certainly isn't 3G web browsing. Most iPhone 3G battery life tests clock 3G data use at about 3-5 hours. Based on my own usage of a friend's iPhone 3G, that seems to be about right. Coincidentally my G1 gets about 3-5 hours of 3G data use as well.
Frankly, from an engineer's point of view I have not seen any power drain tests conducted with enough rigor and variable control to be worthy of being called a truly scientific analysis. Even the best "battery life tests" out there aren't declaring what type of testing environment (los and distance to closest 3G tower), what background apps are installed, ambient temperature (which affects the battery discharge profile), etc. Without considering and removing these variables from the test, deviation could be as high as... well there's no fixing the percentage really. It's all just junk data.
I do notice after I installed Task Manager, to close out programs I am not using my battery life went up. There are a lot of un needed start up apps.
TimSykes said:
There are a lot of un needed start up apps.
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Care to give some examples? Im curious to see what runs on startup that isnt needed.
QUOTE jashsu
I have no idea what kind of use gets 1-3 days, but it certainly isn't 3G web browsing. Most iPhone 3G battery life tests clock 3G data use at about 3-5 hours. Based on my own usage of a friend's iPhone 3G, that seems to be about right. Coincidentally my G1 gets about 3-5 hours of 3G data use as well.
Yep my friend has iphone and we did test last weekend, both went 3 hours and change then died. If i dont use internet and set timeout and brightness down plus use task manager mine will go as long as my dash. I personally dont care about the battery life, i have a computer, home charger and car charger and i drive for a living so if it gets low no biggie. In my opinion i dont see android going anywhere and i love the g1. Just like wm its gonna take time to get off the ground. To say its at a crossroads is ridiculous.
I am using ADP1.1 and yea if I am browsing the net with 3G for 3-5 hours straight I start seeing the battery go down. But from 100% to 0% takes me longer than 5 hours. I know because I like to lay in bed and don't care to come check my messages LOL
I bought a G1 last week and so far I have been really dissapointed. After having an elf and seeing other htc phones I was expecting big things from the G1.
I am now a week into ownership and after 5 full charge - discharge cycles I am managing to get 24 hours out of the phone with next to no use what so ever. If i check my emails and do 30 mins browsing the phone is dead in 6 or less.
The hardware is simply put 'very poor' my screen is wobbly and the back is loose, all this after just a week.
As for android, it is fantastic everything I expected (except hotmail support) and there is no way it is going to flop. Its just a shame that google and htc didn't wait until they had the right phone for the job.
Thats just my 10p worth!!
Dharkaron said:
Care to give some examples? Im curious to see what runs on startup that isnt needed.
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It all depends on what you have installed. for me the start up is. I beleve amazon does too, but I uninstalled that. But the first thing I do is go into task manager and kill everything. And only like two things auto start up. I really with HTC built in a x-button app for android. I loved the click x for close.
myFaves
messaging
voice dialer
calendar
Alarm clock
k-9
woot checker
tunewiki
gmail
Under light usage I get about 36 hours from full charge to shutdown. That's GPS on, Bluetooth on, Autosync on, periodically doing e-mail and web browsing.
Under heavy usage (Which is basically I listened to MP3s for 2 hours) it goes at least 17 hours before I plug it back in. I haven't tested but I'd bet it could go 20 or more.
That's as good as (or better) than I was getting on the Wizard/MDA.
I dunno if anyone has stated it but the problem with the battery has to do with the phone recieving the cell signal. For some reason the phone runs in overload when searching for a cell signal...I noticed this one day when T-Mo suspended my service and my battery meter never moved all day, I think by night it was down to 85-90%...sure enough that night when I paid my bill and the phone started picking up signal again, the battery depleted at "normal" speed.
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This extended battery barely increases the size of the phone...
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so exactly how much is "barely"? care to give side by side comparison shots?
dubstar_04 said:
As for android, it is fantastic everything I expected (except hotmail support) and there is no way it is going to flop. Its just a shame that google and htc didn't wait until they had the right phone for the job.
Thats just my 10p worth!!
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Why do i keep hearing that there is no hotmail support? Android (and G1) works with hotmail just fine! Just go to the Email program and set it up. WHY!! .. I am having connection errors sometimes though..
Battery is a big issue. Never had any luck with it.. EVER.. just unplugged it and after about 1+ hour it's down to 66%. Played a game (slide puzzle) watched 2 youtube vids of about 3 minutes each. And I had it fully drained and recharged a couple of times in the beginning. It didn't even took 10 minutes to drop from 100% to 89%.. But I was on wifi.. Maybe this is normal.
Software has a lot to do with this I think. Yesterday I had about 50-60% left. Did something, can't remember what, opening programs or music. And closed it. After 5 minutes I checked and battery was hot and had drained to orange level. I checked with task manager and only calendar/messaging/tunewiki/music was on. I closed all and restarted the phone, cuz it was still hot. Luckily it lasted a few hours till I got home, with very carefull use..

Battery Life Problem with HD2 - Help Reqd

So I finally got rid of my iPhone 3G (jailbroken on T-Mobile), and got an HD2 instead. I've always liked Windows Mobile phones (and had most iterations), and since now there is finally some capacitative goodness on WM, I jumped on the opportunity.
And I'm regretting it already.
I'm hoping that somebody here has some suggestion that my two days of thread searching, and experimenting didn't cover.
The problem is, yay, .... the damn battery.
I left it on the charger from totally empty to completely full at 2AM. At 8AM, it was down to 85%. Ten minutes of reading e-mails, 74%. The thing is really not usable in this state.
Here are all the things I checked already:
It runs the latest T-Mobile ROM and radio (the one that just came out a few days ago).
Latest version of .NET (3.5.9).
No push e-mail, e-mail checking once per hour, weather checking once per hour.
Strong 3G coverage area, still tried out WMLongLife anyway (with no difference).
Did several cycles of full discharge, recharge.
Always check task manager, not leaving programs running.
Nothing else is set to go online - Live is disabled.
Screen brightness is set at 30%.
All charges done via wall charger.
I read every post I could find, especially fun the ones where people get 4 days of standby, and 6+ hours of heavy use. Short of loading the ARTEMIS ROM, I exhausted all options I could find. And really, it seems like people get decent performance from the stock ROM, so I'd like to stick with that for the moment.
What am I missing?
So frustrating. I can see how this sort of thing would make the average "just user" go run for the Android or Apple hills. No wonder we get stuck with restrictive babysitting technology, when others can't get their **** together. Spend $450 on a phone that can't make it through a half day of reasonable use? Argh!!
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
same here
i have all the same problems my batt just sucks i figure i have to just by a new one
hey man, i was like you at first too. all my mates had iphones (i dislike apple in general) i didnt want one. At the time o2 (uk) didnt stock android phones and i had a sony x1 previously. So, i got the hd2 and...like you said was disapointed.
Changed the rom to a custom one here at xda (hdowners btw) which lasts 1.5 days (heavy usage)...never seems to get 2 full days when i use it alot.
installed a few different browsers (opera 9.7 and 10)
installed morphgear (with some amazing landscape skins)
fpsece (i found time crisis to be the only actual playable game)
coreplayer
and found it a awesome phone...changed my views on it. Try some custom roms and see what you think...usually you will go mad installing themes, skins, apps...just go wild and keep the ones you really like/work in a seperate folder. Then reflash and install the best only...thats how i done it and i now love this phone
good luck, im sure the rest of the forum will give you some advice.
wayandrs: The main thing that will help is by upgrading the ROM even if it is to stock 1.66 (the latest UK one available) then you notice a large difference and even more so with some of the cooked ones. Other things to note are the WiFi, make sure it doesn't be left on (and only turn it on if you need it) it proper drains the battery. Without knowing your habbits with your phone it is very hard to come up with decent suggestions that hasn't already been posted elsewhere.
I can safely say I get 2-3 days use out of my device but then I don't use it all that much (anymore), don't forget as it is a new toy for you, you will keep playing with it seeing what it can do, this will soon die down (as it always does) then it will be better.
there must be something wrong with your device or battery.
mine lasts for about 3-4 days while middle use. i think for such a powerful and huge device, this is more than respectable.
heavy use...mh...i would say it lasts minimal 2 days, sometimes more.
did you write a complain to t-mobile?
DN41
The battery will improve after a week or so .
Note : charging your battery the first time for only 6hours isn't much , the first time that i charged my battery i left it charging for 24 hours.
Updating to the latest ROM and Radio helps .
I have two suggestions:
1) Take your phone back to where you bought it and let them deal with it. I get at least a full day with heavy use which is to be expected from a high end device with a 4.3 inch screen. I spent a few dollars on a car charger and an extra wall charger for work, sorted.
2) If you want help on these forums leave out the useless complaining about what a rotten device you have. I think I speak for many contributors of this forum when I say that these kind of posts are getting old and wearisome. You will be more likely to get polite replies with inteligent suggestions if you simply state the problem without moaning about the horrible mistake you made in being seduced into buying an HD2. I have purchased phones that I simply did not care for. I returned them.
First step: Flash a decent ROM with most of the performance/battery tricks in there already. Many of these ROMs are constructed from the best (often most battery efficient) parts of multiple ROMS.
Touch-X, Energy, Artemis, CleanEx, etc. All are excellent (though I favour Touch-X myself for a great utility/preformance/battery balance).
Second step: Flash a good Radio that works well in your area but also works well with the ROM/has decent battery life. You'll need to research this for your chosen ROM.
I use the Korean radio in UK. Good quality/signal/battery life.
Run it for a few days, charging to full and emptying the battery before recharging to full again. Do this for 3/4 days at least.
Those changes alone got me upto 2.5 days standby and 4 hours usage (thats movie playing for 4 hours with 100% backlight in a hotel room). Good for a smartphone and longer than my friends IPhones.
Other small programs like WMLongLife, adjusting down the backlight automatically, added another .5 days to standby (though not much to active use life).
ribcage said:
I have two suggestions:
1) Take your phone back to where you bought it and let them deal with it. I get at least a full day with heavy use which is to be expected from a high end device with a 4.3 inch screen. I spent a few dollars on a car charger and an extra wall charger for work, sorted.
2) If you want help on these forums leave out the useless complaining about what a rotten device you have. I think I speak for many contributors of this forum when I say that these kind of posts are getting old and wearisome. You will be more likely to get polite replies with inteligent suggestions if you simply state the problem without moaning about the horrible mistake you made in being seduced into buying an HD2. I have purchased phones that I simply did not care for. I returned them.
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Yes, sorry I fell back on the usual retoric.
I do wonder though if when someone buys a new 'Toy' that they dont hammer it to start with for the 'joy' and never think of the consequences.
I like you, no matter which phone I own, being a businessman and needing maximum performance have a charger at my bedside (the phone is my alarm) and also connect it to the car charger when driving.
I wonder if many of the people that move up from a basic Nokia phone (or similar that can last a week) realise what is involved in powering all the functions they require?
Please don't quote iPhone as it dunt do half!
try elegencia rom v 8.5 and reply back
I use the stock rom 1.66 from the beginning and check my mail automatically every 30 minutes. Now and then I check some websites and download cabs and use HSDPA/3G and WIFI if available. My battery is 100% in the morning and 70 percent in the evening. Not bad at all. The first 12 times I fully charched the battery during the night.
I use Bandswitch, which automatically disables my connection within 30 seconds. This is the most important and useful tip! You don't need a custom ROM to solve the battery drain issue.
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it looks like you have not a windows phone before
Thanks.
Thanks for the ROM suggestions. I'll try a few more days of deep cycling the battery to see if that helps - if not, I guess I'll try a custom ROM.
And yea, to those 'get a life' and 'don't complain about Windows phones' posts, whatever. I've owned Windows Mobile phones since they first came out, and it's just frustrating that the out-of-the box usability hasn't gotten any better to this day. Looks at the cool people that actually manage some constructive feedback - they are who make XDA forums great. Thanks guys!
A new 1200 battery is 15 pounds (the official from HTC) as a backup. I personaly have bought the extended battery 2400 and it is great. The default battery doesn't last the full day for me because I use it constinuosly as mp3 player , brownsing and video player. I mean, you have options.
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I'll be trying the Elegancia ROM.
That is, once I find a ROM with 2.8 SPL that works on my 1024 version of the H2, to reflash mine so I can get HSPL to work to flash.
I've always really liked Windows Mobile for its flexibility and massive base of developers ... on the flip side, I've been screwing around with this thing for several days now, trying to get a phone that can last through a day. Ahhh, the bittersweet experience that is WM.
I get at most 2 days combined cycle out of my stanard battery and i've had my phone for about 10 days. It came with the stock 1.66 rom but i've run through the tips and tweaks threads so the phone ui is faster and a bit more usable. One of those is a replacement task manager that disables smart minimize in favour of actually closing programs. I've also set the weather software to update every 3 hours because tbh you don't need it to be any more often than that. I do use the wifi alot but i do turn it off when i'm not using the phone. i have also noticed with my phone is if the wifi is connected to an access point for more than 5 minutes it will automatically disable the 3G connection and turn it back on when the wifi is disabled.
for the first couple of days i was completely discharging the battery and then charging it for about 12 hours. this seems to have been the most beneficial. i also will not put it on charge unless it really needs it.
hi, from experience, 3G medium usuage.. 4/5 a day.
If you disconect the 3G connection when not using, it will help.
And of course if you go on GSM instead, one day is not difficult..
battery killer :
1) constant 3G activity
2) Watching video. Worst, video on 3G !
3) games, especially the 3Ds ones or high on processing like the Tower simulation game.
4) bright screen
5) bluetooth
From my experience, from a fresh flash, my battery improves as I get to use it longer and longer.
take a look at your data sync like weather and stock and also check the social networking sync.

Nexus One Battery Life vs iPhone 3gS/4G

Earlier this year, I was a huge Android fan. I had a rooted G1 with a different firmware every week. My Dream ended when I realized that the battery was lasting me not more than 5-6 hours, even with very light use. This was after swapping out batteries/phones. Also, for working out, I needed a good music player. Android's default one needed a LOT of improvements.
So, when my friend brought over his iPhone, I decided to give it a try. I bought an iPhone 3GS from craigslist. Jailbroke and Unlocked it. The battery was lasting me more than a day, even after watching more than an hour of TED.com talks, and listening to an hour of music. The ipod functionality was amazing with the volume/music controls in the earphones.
Then, I accidentally updated my phone to the latest firmware... which cannot be unlocked. So I'm back to using my G1.
So, the question still stands.. Is Froyo on Nexus One better in battery performance and iPod functionality of iPhone 3GS. Especially with the upcoming iPhone 4G, we can be sure that Apple will increase the battery life of iPhone (as they've done with all previous updates)?
I get a lot better battery life with Froyo then on my 3GS to be honest. Also, as far as the music functionality goes, why do you think its so bad? If you dislike the interface, then you can download a alternate option from the Market. But for me, as long as it plays the songs, view/edit playlists and browse the music I am good to go.
i got slightly less battery life from my Nexus with 3G turned off compared to my jailbroken 3GS.
normally ended up with about 10% less battery at the end of the day compared to my IPhone and similar usage.
the Nexus was stone stock.
Thanks for the replies...
To answer the question about music interface... I think the ipod interface is much smoother than anything i've seen in Android (please suggest something in case I might've missed it). As I mentioned before, I use the earphone controls A LOT.. and am not sure if Nexus One will offer the same functionality.
Battery life is a huge issue for me. As I said, my usage on iPhone was pretty heavy. Let me lay it out here -- this is with Edge.. Push On.. and Location On.
- 1.5 hrs music
- 1 hr video (Ted talks podcast)
- 1.5 hr phone calls
- 2 hr games
- 3 hr Wifi on
With this kinda usage, my iPhone would have 15-20% battery left by end of the day (midnight usually)...
Does your Nexus One match that or is better?
( I'd love to switch to Nexus, if battery is a non-issue... love the Google integration!)
Battery life is across the board on the N1 for some reason. People will have the same set up and get very different kinds of battery life. I know I've never been happy with the battery life of the phone.
A good music player is ³. Cubed. I like it. I recommend the Nexus One if you get the 2 batteries and external battery charger for 20 bucks deal off of eBay. Maybe life will increase but until then having an arsenal of batteries solves my problem.
Ok, I guess I'm back to 8th grade, basic math. Let's calculate. And because you could have just looked in the specs and done the math yourself, I'm not going to look there, and if I bring the wrong numbers - so be it.
1.5 hr of music is almost nothing. Music is optimized for very low battery usage - 20 hr of listening or so. Let's say, 5% off battery.
Wifi on is nothing. You can keep it on for as long as you like, you actually save battery - it turns off 3G/HSDPA and uses WiFi data.
1.5 hr phone calls out of ~6 hours spec ~= 25% battery off.
1 hr video out of 5 hr spec ~= 20% off.
2 hr games are quite destructive. Both CPU activity and display. Let's say, another 25-30% off.
You're left with approx. 15-20%. Surprised?
Oh wait... It figures, no? Do you think one of those systems is going to be significantly inferior in terms of battery life? You don't think Samsung and Qualcomm know their stuff well enough?
Ah, and the difference is going to show if you use Android power and load it with zillion auto-updating and auto-syncing widgets, that'll chew on your CPU idle time and use up your network power.
[edit] That's exactly the reason for varying battery life between users, as the poster above noted. People use their phone differently, and unlike iPhone, it can perform a lot of things simultaneously, without you even noticing (it's enough that you installed auto-syncing widget and made it sync once in 5 min with a good amount of data, for example) - and it'll cost you battery life. Control what you're running, and you'll get more out of the battery.
I came from an iPhone 3G to the Nexus One and the battery life does seem worse. it's always hard to compare because I do more with my Nexus One. My gut feeling though is even if my usage is similar to what I would have done with my iPhone, the Nexus One just uses more power. Part of that may be the higher res screen. Battery usage almost always shows the display as the biggest user of my battery.
I recently have been having worse than normal battery life. I'm not sure if it's due to upgrading to Froyo or if it is because I turned Latitude on. If it's Latitude, then it's really frustrating that the Battery Usage area doesn't list Latitude as using my battery. Kind of makes that a pointless feature if things just get hidden under names like "Android System".
I also agree with you on the Android music player. I use it, and it's not terrible, but the iPod app on the iPhone is just much easier to quickly get to the music you want to play. Also the Genius features are really well done. Someone suggested Cubed. I found it gives a really good first impression but once you use it you realize it's actually just flashy and it functions awful. As far as I can tell there's no way to quickly find and play a single song with it.
Battery life for 3gs is better than nexus..
For my usage the battery life on Froyo is about twice as good as the battery on 3GS. Granted, I listen to slacker radio while browse websites for about 2 hours a day and the multitasking on android is much more natural than the jailbreak alternative.
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Thanks for the replies...
To answer the question about music interface... I think the ipod interface is much smoother than anything i've seen in Android (please suggest something in case I might've missed it). As I mentioned before, I use the earphone controls A LOT.. and am not sure if Nexus One will offer the same functionality.
Battery life is a huge issue for me. As I said, my usage on iPhone was pretty heavy. Let me lay it out here -- this is with Edge.. Push On.. and Location On.
- 1.5 hrs music
- 1 hr video (Ted talks podcast)
- 1.5 hr phone calls
- 2 hr games
- 3 hr Wifi on
With this kinda usage, my iPhone would have 15-20% battery left by end of the day (midnight usually)...
Does your Nexus One match that or is better?
( I'd love to switch to Nexus, if battery is a non-issue... love the Google integration!)
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I am not altogether sure you aren't just trolling. There isn't any way to give a definitive answer to this question, but I'll give you my experience.
No new N1 user is going to say he gets good battery life. You won't want to shut the screen off for the first week.
Now, I can get a day and a half out of my battery on a stock rom if I don't sync absolutely everything frequently, I use wifi when it's available, keeping radios I am not using off and basically, being mindful of power use. I use it frequently, but not constantly. And if I am away from a charger, I have an inexpensive spare battery that I can change all by myself without any special tools all the while sending SJ a FU via ESP.
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I am not altogether sure you aren't just trolling. There isn't any way to give a definitive answer to this question, but I'll give you my experience.
No new N1 user is going to say he gets good battery life. You won't want to shut the screen off for the first week.
Now, I can get a day and a half out of my battery on a stock rom if I don't sync absolutely everything frequently, I use wifi when it's available, keeping radios I am not using off and basically, being mindful of power use. I use it frequently, but not constantly. And if I am away from a charger, I have an inexpensive spare battery that I can change all by myself without any special tools all the while sending SJ a FU via ESP.
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Thanks for all the inputs...
Lemme get first thing straight.. I have NO intentions of trolling No harm intended. When I bought the iPhone, EVERYONE I know was immensely surprised. I was (and still am) a spokesperson for Android. I love the apps. Maybe thats a reason that we all install so many widgets/apps which use data.... So many are available for free!! and awesome ones too.. for example.. I'd kill for the News and Weather app to be in iPhone.. but its not...
As I said in the original post.. a big chunk of my criteria is battery life.. second big chunk is music... I guess I'm sad that no Android phone yet can beat the battery life that an average iPhone user gets... I was hoping by releasing Froyo, google would change that (hence this thread)...
Trust me guys.. I live by my gmail.. would rather have everything centered around it... than having apple control my life... just dont wanna carry around extra batteries.. like i had to for my g1...
Intersectraven kernels with any nexus one Rom gives me the best battery. Rite now I'm on froyo and have lasted more than 20 hours with the kernel.
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Now that I'm using my nexus normally, I'm getting good battery life. 12 hours of solid usage.
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Intersectraven kernels with any nexus one Rom gives me the best battery. Rite now I'm on froyo and have lasted more than 20 hours with the kernel.
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Which of Raven's kernel are you using?
I have a iPhone 2G and it beats my N1 on battery but not considerably.. I read that the 2G is teh king while 3G is the worse of the three iPhones. 3GS is slight better than 3G.
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Something that people keep mentioning but seems to keep getting overlooked when people compare any device running Android to the Almighty iPhone...
Multitasking. Takes. More. Power.
Being able to run 5 or so apps in the background (along with all the automated syncing that's happening on the network-data side of things) is going to drain the battery more than doing one thing at a time on Apple's product.
When your iPhone is able to effectively multitask, come back and then you can compare the battery life.
Quite simply, Android lets you do more than you could ever possibly do on the iPhone platform. It gives you the option (free will - unheard of on the Apple side of things!) to run a handful of apps simultaneously. This, naturally, uses more power as the processor is doing more. This is not rocket science, people. You choose to do more, so accept the power penalty. Or, you can be mindful of your battery usage and manage things appropriately to get a significant battery life improvement. It's your choice!
And if you still don't get enough battery life out of this more powerful, more capable device, as attn1 pointed out, there is absolutely nothing to stop you from getting an inexpensive spare battery that can be swapped into the phone in under a minute (INCLUDING the time it takes to shut down and power back up).
Trying to compare any recent Android device to Apple's iPhone is like comparing my gaming notebook to my old TI-84 graphing calculator - which did get much better battery life than my current Asus G72 notebook.
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For me it's nexus that wins 3gs easily. my iphone with small use 1 day nexus with hevy use 1 day.
Some backstory.
Paul's Froyo.
Tweaked Kernel.
Home++
Sync off
Widgets: Facebook (no notification), ³ medium, Google Search, Power Control, News and Weather (12 hour refresh)
Screen set to auto brightness
Went to bed with 98% charge at 11:30pm.
Alarm goes off at 5am. 93%
Check Facebook. Turn on sync. Browse xda on default browser. 89%
Get on the metro.
Browse the internet.
Read a few news articles in the news widget.
Listen to music with Bluetooth headphones for 20 minutes or so.
Browse xda some more.
Download the latest 925 cfs kernel from ir's thread.
By 7:14 I'm at 64% charge.
In 2 hours doing what I noted here I lose close to half my battery?! That's laughabad.
It's amazing how all over the place the returns are.
I have owned the following phones in the last three years :
iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
BlackBerry Bold
iPhone 3GS* (borrowed for 2 weeks to see if I wanted to go back...)
Milestone
Nexus One
I, personally, got the best battery life out of the iPhone 2G - I got three days out of it, consistently. BUT, I did not have an unlimited data plan, I did not use it for mail, I always got apps from the store over WiFi, I never streamed music, video or anything else. I had no RSS reader. I listened to some music, played the OCCASIONAL game, sent some texts and made a few calls.
Next would be the Bold. I POUNDED that thing and ALWAYS got at least 2 days out of it. I would send dozens of SMS, read and reply to at least 40 emails/day, use GTalk with my wife for at least 50 messages a day. I'd read RSS feeds with Viigo.
After that, every single phone on the list requires charging every single day.
On the iPhone 3G, I would do a little surfing, maybe a little video, some emails and some text. Music on the metro coming and going to/from work. Charging every day was mandatory.
On the 3GS, with how App Store had better and better stuff, I killed it (as in forced shut down) 5 out of 15 days - all that with no widgets and no multitasking. I would read Le Monde, do some browsing, read tweets, read emails, make a couple of calls and texts. I started stocking the charge cable at work and in my backpack during my weeks with a 3GS, because it wouldn't make it through a day. Most friends and colleagues who have them do the same.
I received the Milestone in December. I loved it, and really started pounding a phone - 100 GTalks a day, some SMS, all email, NewsRob for RSS, Le Monde, News & Weather widget one we hacked that on there (following the Jan 5 release of the N1), twitter and facebook, browsing. App downloads, widgets left and right, plus CONSTANT dev work, image building, flashing, testing, etc. I would get a day if I took my foot off the gas, but if I pushed it too hard, I would kill it. There were a couple of battery killers that were avoidable but which I didn't avoid from time to time - leaving Qik, the browser on the google homepage (with autolocation on) the Camera or Maps open, then letting the phone go "idle" with the screen asleep keeps the GPS on and would eat the battery in an hour or two. This left me high and dry a couple of times, until I paid a bit more attention. The Milestone got better 3G than any iPhone and worse / less-consistent WiFi.
I picked up a Nexus at the beginning of March. It gets somewhat-to-significantly better battery life than the Milestone. I still have to charge it daily, but there seem to be fewer battery-death bonehead choices that drink the go-go juice and leave you without your electronic BFF. Most of that is probably Android 2.1 and the UV kernels - I noticed that the Milestone was better with 2.1 as well. It also gets 10dbm worse radio reception with the same SIM on the same desk on the same network in the same office. But it gets MUCH better and more reliable WiFi, and that is better still since FroYo. I use it a ton - RSS, chat, SMS, calls, LOTS of browsing, Le Monde, NYTimes in Newspapers Full, lots of games in spare time, Google Listen for Podcasts, Music, Movies, taking pictures and videos and posting them online with Twitter, Facebook, YouTube or Buzz, etc.
The Nexus has one MASSIVE problem, as far as bettery goes - charging it on any computer USB port, and many thrid-party USB charge plugs (AC or DC) is atrocious - hours and hours to get just a few percent. I don't know why - Apple can use 1A from anything, RIM / BlackBerry can come close to 2A. My Milestone would take at least 1A from anything. But the stupid HTC kit won't take more than about 400mA from a computer or a non-shorted USB charger. SOME 3rd party stuff will be exploited up until 1A, as will the charger that the N1 comes with, but if not, you're going to see slooooooow charging.
As far as the music player: I want 2 things - good sound and the ability to pause and skip with the mic button. Every iPhone does this, and so does the N1. The N1 DOES support headset buttons (it's own set comes with them), but I use my Shures with a simple mic adaptor. I almost never see the interface - I put on a playlist and shuffle it. DoubleTwist makes sure that I have the same lists on my iPod touch and my Nexus, so I really don't notice the difference.
If you use the interface a lot, well, then the player on an iPhone is the best there is. I just don't use the interface often enough to make that a selling point.
As far as sound - the Milestone got SIGNIFICANTLY more volume and better sound then any iPhone and a ridiculous amount more than an N1.
Froyo just rocks. I miss a couple of CM features, but there are sooooo many good things baked into Froyo - tethering, copy/paste in received GMail messages, SD card app storage, cloud-stored settings, Flash, incredible performance.
Your Mileage May Vary.
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The N1 DOES support headset buttons (it's own set comes with them),
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Thanks for the VERY detailed post... And also for clarifying the controls thing... thats awesome that N1 uses the mic button for controls... I use it a lot while running to skip songs...
I'm on the brink with my G1 though... Flashed the latest 2.1 ROM from Cygo.. at first I thought it was fast.. but now its driving me crazy.. its not really the ROM but the phone itself.. will post a video of the experience soon..
So to summarize above posts...
- N1 can give same or better battery life than iPhone... provided.. that we use it well... no crazy widgets/apps which keep using data...
- The earphones button CAN be used in N1 to skip songs.. which is awesome for me...
I think I might order my N1 today itself.. as it's still being sold on google (surprisingly enough).. Who knows once only T-Mobile sells it, if they'll stop offering the unlocked option....
Thanks for all the input guys

[Q] Just how reliable is WP7? How good for daily use?

I found my battery life is around 8-10 hours for minimal usage using WP7
specification using
hspl 2.08
radio newest one
sdcard 2GB sandisk
gprs always on using 2G
location turn off
using light background
sync email every hours
so I wanna compare with you guys here who using wp7, is there any one who can get battery life more than 12 hours or so?
with Android I can get more than 24 hours for minimal usage ( call, sms, browsing ).
is it better to reflash/hardreset wp7 again?
Well, I have been using it for about a week now and it is bearable, but pretty and extremely fluid
Regarding battery, I only use wifi, so I have 3g off and I surf about 30 min a day with it.
30 min phone calls
15 SMS
Update Gmail and Facebook about 4 times a day.
Play a bit with the phone and it lasts me from 8AM to about midnight that is when I need to charge it again.
So about 16h.
The worst thing about this is that the camera is not really working (all the pictures I've taken do not look as sharp as with the other OS).
Johev said:
Well, I have been using it for about a week now and it is bearable, but pretty and extremely fluid
Regarding battery, I only use wifi, so I have 3g off and I surf about 30 min a day with it.
30 min phone calls
15 SMS
Update Gmail and Facebook about 4 times a day.
Play a bit with the phone and it lasts me from 8AM to about midnight that is when I need to charge it again.
So about 16h.
The worst thing about this is that the camera is not really working (all the pictures I've taken do not look as sharp as with the other OS).
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I am not sure about wifi I barely using wifi, always connect with 2g connection... camera sih ok with me since I am never using camera ( only once or twice a week)
just found battery life is kinda disappointing when using WP7.
I consider if my sdcard is not compatible or what. hofully some one here can help me, if mostly can say then can get more than 15 hours so I am pretty sure I need to reflash/hardreset or even change my sdcard to get better result of battery life
From the reviews of some other devices on WP7 etc, it seems as if the battery life is an issue in general as is the case with most of the smart phones using these OS's in general -
I've been using it now for a week or so and it fit's my needs perfectly.
I've found only 2 bugs with it mentioned elsewhere by others and even they're nothing worth noting...
Camera doesnt work correctly (i hardly ever use it)...and there's issues with loudspeaker volume (workaround - set at 3) ... other than that nothing...
I'm finding after a full day of use, (wifi and gps switched on) from 8am, an hour or so of music, 15-20 minutes gaming, 4-5 calls and several texts, emails, facebook etc, i have around a quarter battery left at midnight.
Cheers
Paul
Battery life is surely not amazing, but for me it's acceptable. maybe 1-2 hrs less than WM6.5. I make it from 8 am to 7 pm with 30-40 min calls. 3G always on. 1 hr IE on 3G and some 30 min. 3D gaming.
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Battery life is surely not amazing, but for me it's acceptable. maybe 1-2 hrs less than WM6.5. I make it from 8 am to 7 pm with 30-40 min calls. 3G always on. 1 hr IE on 3G and some 30 min. 3D gaming.
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so its 11 hours for average usage.
I just wondering if sdcard class with affect battery life? since wp7 is kinda like raid0 which cannot be separated between internal memory and sdcard.
hopefully with higher class of sdcard if will affect battery life for wp7
I have been using it since last week Thursday and its been excellent for me, I even think the battery seems better than on android. Its been my main phone since. The still camera is the only issue I have. I think iPhone has a worthy competitor in WP7.
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Battery life is surely not amazing, but for me it's acceptable. maybe 1-2 hrs less than WM6.5. I make it from 8 am to 7 pm with 30-40 min calls. 3G always on. 1 hr IE on 3G and some 30 min. 3D gaming.
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judging by you're avatar 7pm is probably close to your bed time anyway
I'm really enjoying wp7, running for 5days now and mostly smooth.
Some apps like IE stag occasionally and some times the touch screen seems a little unreponsive mainly in settings screens.
Obviously not the easiest of OS's to switch in and out of like android due to the sd card, and not being able to charge the battery when the phone is off is an issue.
Main concerns but tolerable:
Not being able to sync directly with outlook (gmail workaround)
Battery drain is excessive (though i'm not usually far from pc->usb charge
Lack of software (obviously, but also finding the good from the bad)
Do not forget the sms receiving issue people. Been using for three days straight and all working fine but suddenly sms seems to stop coming.....and by that I mean it would take hours to recieve or send an sms and when it finaly does come...no notification and no home tile count. And trust me,,,this is not sometning to do with the settings.
battery life is really bad for me.
on a 10 hour shift on android i can finish with 40-50% battery left with full data sync on
on wp7 i had to charge my phone at work ( i wasnt sure of exact battery % because i couldnt find this function
im going to dual boot wp7 and android cause wp7 is cool for showing off haha
Works great for me, basic things work great and battery life is ok. I can do a full day with and i do play around make some calls and sms. For me it's as good as android from nand. Too bad camera doesn't work correctly and multitouch.
It works awesome, though I have the problem here, that the monthly internet package from Vodafone Romania isn't too big, and I found out that this is a 3G hungry OS. (180MB in 3 days, and that is NO downloading of apps!)
That and only because of that, I have to consider rolling back to Android.
Other than that, WP7 is one hell of a mobile OS, that runs very nice on our HD2 phones and would be good for daily use
I'm very satisfied with this first WP7 release for the Leo. Almost everything is working fine. Except for some bugs which are a little annoying (as mentioned before):
- managing the volume (it's very loud! the alarm in the morning, too...)
- green pictures with camera-flash
- slow app installation (compared to the HTC Mozart it is veeeery slow)
Unfortunately there is no possibility to set up the days and hours for syncing with my exchange (that was possible with ActiveSync in WM6.5). Actually that's not a bug from this DFT-release, but from the WP7 itself. Maybe this will be added with the announced official update.
Finally, I don't think that I'll turn over to WM6.5 or Android again. The design, useability and flawless UI of WP7 on the HD2 is really nice.
thats kinda weird some people said they have battery life some doesn't...
I thin its related with sdcard.. bad flash probably.
Look at other thread some peeps suggested change radio rom, try 2.12 and 2.14 still got huge battery drain, even with data connection turn off
hendr1k said:
thats kinda weird some people said they have battery life some doesn't...
I thin its related with sdcard.. bad flash probably.
Look at other thread some peeps suggested change radio rom, try 2.12 and 2.14 still got huge battery drain, even with data connection turn off
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I have 2.14 radio and after all day I had yesterday 30% left. Then I charged it to maximum and left it to see how battery will drain over night, and it didn't even move. So for me battery life is better than in android.
ok that kinda weird hopefully reflash WP7 with good sdcard will give better battery life.
hendr1k said:
I found my battery life is around 8-10 hours for minimal usage using WP7
specification using
hspl 2.08
radio newest one
sdcard 2GB sandisk
gprs always on using 2G
location turn off
using light background
sync email every hours
so I wanna compare with you guys here who using wp7, is there any one who can get battery life more than 12 hours or so?
with Android I can get more than 24 hours for minimal usage ( call, sms, browsing ).
is it better to reflash/hardreset wp7 again?
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I've had it running, without a reboot for the last four days. I haven't really noticed horrible battery life but then again i am not of it half as much as the Android OS...mostly b/c the apps are GARBAGE and the games are SAD.
I have wifi active at all times, 3g data is really slow for some reason.
It is usable but i would not say fully functional even with reg hack and Microsoft activation hack.
Volume sucks! Way too loud even with min volume and gps sync is all out of whack...map application looks awesome with the real street view but good luck getting to a destination!
Camera is also GARBAGE but other than the sound the 720p video looks great
I really like the simplicity of the OS layout and the fluidity of everything but there needs to be more usability and functionality before i fully adopt although this have been a good learning experience and test for whether or not i want to get the HD7 or just another HD2 for my next phone
Going back to android for now...perhaps there will be a NAND ROM soon that has at least 95% functionality without having to call and lie to MS to get codes.
I love WP7!!!
Had some battery issues to begin with, but changed radio to 2.14 and then hard reset. For the last 3 days I've had nearly 30 hours on battery. On par with Android. Android is superb as a customizeable OS. So many things you can change.
WP7 is a phone OS, pure and simple. I love the simple interface. Not much you can customize, but the speed more than makes up for it. Messaging is particularly fantastic.
Don't use a light background!!! Use a dark one (black basically). As the screen has to fully light the pixels for a white background (value of 255), using black (dark, value of 0) it doesn't have to light them as much, so the screen uses less power.
Still a few bugs in WP7, also some missing features, but nothing that is a 'show stopper'.
I'm sticking with WP7 and looking forward to the 'official' update....

One week: Nice phone

Had my Atrix a little over a week and like it a lot.
Not rooted.
I get 2 days on the battery -- about 25% at the end of the second evening. I leave WiFi on and GPS mostly off (turning it on only when I need it). I have set the task manager to shut things down but, of course, various Moto-stuff continues to run. Display on auto brightness. I use it quite a bit for email and web browsing but, I'm sure, much less than others.
A couple of days after I got it, I was driving over the mountains, going in and out of any coverage, and it went black and unresponsive. Seemed like it would vibrate occasionally but I needed to pull the battery to bring it back. No problem like that since, even driving the same road the other direction. That was soon after the upgrade, so maybe it needed to be rebooted again.
Occasionally it becomes unresponsive in the middle of doing something complex in a new app -- like freezing in a context menu. Putting it to sleep with the sleep key and then bringing it back makes it responsive again. Not a real problem but certainly a symptom of immature software -- as expected.
I find the screen to be excellent.
Most recently I was using a BB Bold 9000. This phone, with an Otterbox Commuter, is considerably thinner than the 9000 with an Otterbox on it. I like that. I miss the real BB keyboard but the future is clearly non-physical keyboards (not necessarily screens).
Best: It can be turned up to be the loudest phone I have ever owned. More distortion at top volume (as expected) but having the ability to turn up the ring volume and the phone volume / speakerphone volume is excellent.
Next best: Easily replaceable battery, including excellent approach to the back cover. I wouldn't own a phone that needed to be sent back to the factory when the battery gets tired. My experience on batteries is that they start noticeably downhill as soon as one year. When that happens with this one, I will buy a second battery and have one new battery and one tired battery. I know some people like the iPhone case design but I believe the Atrix case / back cover is a first-class design as well -- just a totally different set of design goals.
The atrix is a really good phone I don't understand why people hate on it so much.
It could be even better with an unlocked bootloader but I mean its still crazy good.
I am wrapping my 4rth complete day. My experiences are pretty darn similar to your own.
So far I get two days per full charge. This is with lots of playing around and downloading of apps and files.
I have had it sort of freeze a couple of times when playing with many newly downloaded apps one after another. But nothing a quick lok and unlock didnt fix.
This phone is unreal fast!
The minute I got my phone dropped of by fed ex, I plugged it in to the wall outlet. When it was 100% charged, I downloaded and intstalled the update. Other than that, I havent installed anything else but apps and widgets.
kdspiv said:
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So far I get two days per full charge. This is with lots of playing around and downloading of apps and files.
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Do you guys have push mail set up, or are you polling? I'm at ~35% after being unplugged for 9 hours with pretty heavy use. lots of screen on time, live wallpapers, wifi on/off, lots of apps/data downloading, mp3s, etc.
Awesome phone, no complaints at all though!
stewartsoda said:
Do you guys have push mail set up, or are you polling? I'm at ~35% after being unplugged for 9 hours with pretty heavy use. lots of screen on time, live wallpapers, wifi on/off, lots of apps/data downloading, mp3s, etc.
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Email=gmail is essentially default except ringtone=silent. I have always assumed that it is polled but googling it I see that some people say it is push -- surprise to me.
I remember reducing the frequency of data requests but can't find that menu right now...
I often use the phone several times an hour for email, FB, calendar, web. Never used it for mp3 and only once for some YouTube.
RacecarBMW said:
The atrix is a really good phone I don't understand why people hate on it so much.
It could be even better with an unlocked bootloader but I mean its still crazy good.
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I'm not sure either. I ***** and moan about damn near everything and I have no complaints about this device, other than the bootloader. That'd bring a ton of dev interest to the Atrix community but oh well, it does everything else flawlessly. And there isn't even really much I'd use if the devs unlocked the bootloader to be honest.
I'm someone who *****es about everything and if I'm content, I can't see how others can possibly make any complaints.
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Email=gmail is essentially default except ringtone=silent. I have always assumed that it is polled but googling it I see that some people say it is push -- surprise to me.
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Gmail is set up as push by default, but Android calls it "sync" instead of push. The setting is pretty hidden in Blur, I can't figure out where to get to it except for the Power Widget I have on my homescreen.
I get a full day, no problem, and end up at about %40+ when I charge it for a few hours in the morning before going to work. I have 3 push e-mail accounts, use WiFi most of the day, and browse the web once in a while. Use Google Reader to get time to pass during those painfully long meetings.
But I've been hard pressed to wear the battery out in a day with my "typical" use. Battery lasts much longer than my Nexus One and leaps longer then the old G1.
Just my $0.02 worth, YMMV.
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Battery lasts much longer than my Nexus One and leaps longer then the old G1.
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Yes, indeed. I had a G1 to experiment with some Android development. It's battery depletion rate, even when dark, made it almost useless.
The new Atrix battery is better than my Blackberry Bold 9000 with a one year old battery -- much better than I expected.
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Yes, indeed. I had a G1 to experiment with some Android development. It's battery depletion rate, even when dark, made it almost useless.
The new Atrix battery is better than my Blackberry Bold 9000 with a one year old battery -- much better than I expected.
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I agree, I don't know how well Moto was able to optimize the Tegra 2 chip and various electronics but the 1930 mAh battery surely helped.

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