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So, I figured with Android getting ported quite nicely and is fairly well along, we should start working on getting it flashed directly to NAND. Eliminate Windows Mobile all together. So here are my notes. All this stuff combined in some order and sense will make it able to flash NAND with Android. But for some reason I just can't piece it all together and make the puzzle fit. I am posting this in hopes that someone with enough skill can take the information and build what is needed.
Working Tinboot - This is what the core of NAND android flashing is.
NBH for installation (Examples) - Needed to install android. Flash nbh, install android, reboot
To test all of this we need the RESUMEADDR of the HD2. Then we can pass RESUMEINTOBOOT to haret. Then we can check if there is enough low-level hardware support to even boot Android yet. This can be gotten by using haretconsole. But I have yet been able to get the RESUMEADDR because of issues with my computer.
Thanks goes to dzo for pointing me in the right direction for all of this.
They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.
i agree but...
zarathustrax said:
They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.
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i agree with you, but this guy is asking for help do do a certain task.
I second you on your idea but there are people that would prefer to have a win mo. phone running android even if it runs slower or worst because some people just dont like wm. software.
By the way i cant help you jmztaylor because i just dont know...
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They still need WinMo to boot to initialize some of the hardware... that's why most winmo phones that have android ports can't flash to nand yet... and the couple that do have flashable roms took a long time to develop.
What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways? Do you really want to take away your phones ability to run 2 os's to make it just another android phone that doesn't run it as well as a native android phone? Flashing to nand doesn't improve performance much, if any. Some people think that haret emulates android and thatg winmo is still running in the background, but that's not true. HaRET shuts down the windows kernel and starts the linux kernel. The only speed increase that you would see is the difference in data transfer speed from the nand or memory cards to ram, which would probably only be noticeable during certain tasks, but probably even then wouldn't make much of a difference.
I would prefer to have a dual-booting powerphone than to make it just another android phone that doesn't run as well as native android phones. If I wanted just android on my phone, I'd get an android phone.
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well running android from sd card creates higher battery consumption. Am I right? this is a good argument.
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well running android from sd card creates higher battery consumption. Am I right? this is a good argument.
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Yeah, that is true. Reading about the nand ports for other winmo devices show that battery is improved, but it still isn't no where near as good as winmo is with batteries. Power management is one of the issues that almost all android ports have.
At this point, i don't believe nand flashing is possible for the hd2... like i said, they need winmo to initialize many things. Also, once it is possible to flash nand, it probably won't have as much working hardware as the haret version until they get drivers that initialize all that hardware. If you look at some of the other nand flashable ports on other phones, things like wifi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc don't work while they work when you use the haret bootable version. We're still a long way away from booting from nand... at least a version functional enough to want to get rid of winmo.
I'm really curious as to what peoples reason is to want a nand flashable version so bad.... I've heard people say that winmo is still running in the background with haret, but thats just not true. You generally have a much more functional android when run of storage card than the nand flashable ports are. There may be a small increase in battery life and small increase in speed when flashed to nand, but you will lose a lot of functions until they find ways to initialize the hardware without winmo. And from what i've seen with the hd2 ports so far, I don't think we will have any issues with speed like they did with other devices, so I don't see nand being needed to increase speed.
cmon people, lets support the motion.. remember we are dealing with one of the best htc-winmo devices here, the one of a kind htc-hd2..
for me the point is not "what is the need of doing this", the point is "it can be done "
maybe one shouldnt rush to start flashing android on hd2, thats why alpha and beta versions are made, where one understands the risks but does it anyways for the fun experience.. n remember this is just the beginning of android on hd2, i think there is room for a whole lot of improvement
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Yeah, that is true. Reading about the nand ports for other winmo devices show that battery is improved, but it still isn't no where near as good as winmo is with batteries. Power management is one of the issues that almost all android ports have.
At this point, i don't believe nand flashing is possible for the hd2... like i said, they need winmo to initialize many things. Also, once it is possible to flash nand, it probably won't have as much working hardware as the haret version until they get drivers that initialize all that hardware. If you look at some of the other nand flashable ports on other phones, things like wifi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc don't work while they work when you use the haret bootable version. We're still a long way away from booting from nand... at least a version functional enough to want to get rid of winmo.
I'm really curious as to what peoples reason is to want a nand flashable version so bad.... I've heard people say that winmo is still running in the background with haret, but thats just not true. You generally have a much more functional android when run of storage card than the nand flashable ports are. There may be a small increase in battery life and small increase in speed when flashed to nand, but you will lose a lot of functions until they find ways to initialize the hardware without winmo. And from what i've seen with the hd2 ports so far, I don't think we will have any issues with speed like they did with other devices, so I don't see nand being needed to increase speed.
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why dont we just have it running from internal memory without flashing? it would solve the speed and battery problems and we would still get to keep winmo . or is there a reason this cannot happen?
Well, knowing that android builds (system and user data) take about 530MB, it would be a tad hard to stuff in the HD2's 512MB, of which about 300 are used by Winmo...
Maybe on the 1GB TMOUS though....
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Well, knowing that android builds (system and user data) take about 530MB, it would be a tad hard to stuff in the HD2's 512MB, of which about 300 are used by Winmo...
Maybe on the 1GB TMOUS though....
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but most of us have the 512 mb version
i would be interested in getting android stored on the device memory (Not a ROM flash). NRGZ28 released a winmo version that is very small (50 or 60MB) leaving me with 800Mb+ of internal storage. what must be changed to get HaRET to look in internal storage for the files and store information there?
This should be a very good discussion..btw ive been running off of sd card for a while now and battery consumption isn't that bad at all
As far as I see it, a major problem is for any non TMOUS HD2 owners an SD card will always be mandatory. Even if you are able to fit the whole system into the half sized NAND, there wouldn't be much room left for anything else.
And even on the TMOUS, it would be good to put Android and the Apps on internal memory, and have everything else on the storage card, like pics and such.
Main reasons I see for doing this, is once it's working a version that doesn't need to use WinMo can boot faster, and might be able to solve some issues eventually, like not needing a specific file in WinMo or specific ROM just to get calls working correctly.
As well, It gets annoying when even with bootloader it takes longer to boot back up, and I still sometimes get a voicemail or text message while HaRET is loading, and I have to reset, boot windows mobile, remove CLRCAD, reboot, and check the voicemail and texts. If I don't clear it in WinMo, sometimes I get a voicemail message notification every time I boot android even if I don't have any voicemail.
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as far as i see it, a major problem is for any non tmous hd2 owners an sd card will always be mandatory. Even if you are able to fit the whole system into the half sized nand, there wouldn't be much room left for anything else.
And even on the tmous, it would be good to put android and the apps on internal memory, and have everything else on the storage card, like pics and such.
Main reasons i see for doing this, is once it's working a version that doesn't need to use winmo can boot faster, and might be able to solve some issues eventually, like not needing a specific file in winmo or specific rom just to get calls working correctly.
As well, it gets annoying when even with bootloader it takes longer to boot back up, and i still sometimes get a voicemail or text message while haret is loading, and i have to reset, boot windows mobile, remove clrcad, reboot, and check the voicemail and texts. If i don't clear it in winmo, sometimes i get a voicemail message notification every time i boot android even if i don't have any voicemail.
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agreed..then maybe after studying the 1gig version they can find a solution for the 512 version
Battery life isnt great on current builds but it is usable. Much of the issue is due to it being an a sd card. Once they put it on nand, battery life will be even better. As good as winmo? You never know until you try.
I dont get why people are all too ready to rain on someones parade. I say, if there is a possibility of making android boot on this thing, why not try it? WinMo is dying, some of want to jump ship and take our hd2s with us.
It seems that getting nand to run is a priority to devs. Check out the first 7/23 post at http://robsbay.co.uk/
These guys have been making a port much faster than others have anticipated. According to doom-sayers, we shouldnt have been at this point for another few months at least. Im willing to bet this thing will be booting on its own and running efficiently well before the doom-sayers would have expected us to even have this thing running on a sd card.
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What's the big deal about flashing it to nand anyways?
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- Reliability
- Speed
- Battery life.
- Access to memory card as a removable device while Android booted.
Even a class 10 card can't compare to the speed of the internal nand.
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- Reliability
- Speed
- Battery life.
- Access to memory card as a removable device while Android booted.
Even a class 10 card can't compare to the speed of the internal nand.
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I completely agree. As others have noted, the main issue is initializing hardware. As an interim step to 100% Android, why not build an extremely slim WinMo with Android cooked into the NAND ROM.
I'm using desire v5 with latest Cotulla zImage it's pretty fast even off of a class 2 microSD. I really think my HD2 would be just as fast as my wife's EVO if the same thing were on the NAND.
nand boot tmous
any tmous user actually copy all of the files over to their phone's memory and try and boot haret? Or would this be detrimental to the life your WM phone?
I am a T-Mobile HD2 user and I think flashing from NAND would have many benefits. Lets do it up.
I am a T-Mobile HD2 use and this is great because we can boot both winmo and android from the nand, which is insane. All the non US users want to shut this down, because they are left out.
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I am a T-Mobile HD2 use and this is great because we can boot both winmo and android from the nand, which is insane. All the non US users want to shut this down, because they are left out.
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so have you booted it from the nand with your hd2?
Hello guys....and girls if any
i'm a bit of a noob, managed to get Android working from SD but thinking of putting it on NAND. My question(s) to you guys:
IS IT WORTH IT?
is the battery life - any better or at least equal to winmo?, functionality wise, is it 100% working?
Is having 2 OSs more versatile, is it worth getting rid of winmo and its apps?
Awaiting replies from members that have Android NAND for a while and can give a full view
I apologize if this question has been asked before...i looked...couldn't see a thread like this.
Thanks
Only recently did I switch to android on my HD2. I used WinMo Stock Rom before, but I had a lot of problems with Windows, I wasn't happy about the general UI and the lack of "modern" applications.
So 2 or 3 weeks ago I decided to switch to Android NAND. Here are some of the points witch made me use NAND instead of SD.
1st: Space. I only have a 2 GB SD, so a SD Rom would've taken 'all' or most of my SD Card Space.
Installing it on the ROM saved me a lot of Bytes. ^^
2nd: No trouble with 2 OSs. As I thought that WinMo was useless anyway, I thought it to be stupid to still have it and let it consume space. I thought, NAND can't run worse as WinMo did for me, so why keeping it as fallback ROM. Also, I have an old phone (Sony C905) to fall back when flashing ROMs or if any problem would occur. (Just to mention it, I did not have any problems at all really)
These where my main points to use a NAND ROM (I am using this one here by gpc: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909096 )
After having used a NAND Rom for a couple of weeks now, I made the experience that these ROMs run very smoothly. Everything works for me, the sync between Google and Android is awesome. I followed the instructions of the cooks and did not have any problems with GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, ... everything is working fine (exept stock tethering - but that can be easily achieved by 3rd-party apps). My Problem is, that I flash relatively often and I do not use any kind of backup so I have to reinstall all my apps. But the 200+ MB which the ROM leaves free from internal memory enable me to install a lot of apps and the market helps me to easily reinstall all of them after a flash.
Overall, Android Gingerbread is more stable (as to your question: I'd say it is working to 95%, and the 5% missing being non-essential, or can be achieved by 3rd-party-apps), has more functions, and drains less battery than WinMo6.5 - in my own personal oppinion... and it only took me half an hour to get my device from Win to Android. So I still do not see the point in leaving WinMo on the device and use up space of your SD Card.
But you should ask yourself, what do you need from WinMo, what do you need from WinMo what it can not do, and what can an Android-ROM do for you. And if you find for yourself that a NAND Android can do everything you need from your OS (or even more), than where is the point in still using an outdated OS?
I hope I could help.
PS: There are a lot of votings here on XDA and as far as my memory goes most of them voted for NAND-based roms... so I don't think that I am alone with my oppinion.
EDIT: BIG WARNING Thou': I should read all posts (especially sticky-ones) carefully to see, if you have the right Radio, and so on! a NAND-Rom _does_ have some kind of risk installing, and I don't want to be held responcible for bricking your phone. I am just telling you my personal experience as a User (I am neighter a developer nor have I ever flashed a phone in my life before), but I know, that there are some Users which did encounter problems. It's your decision in the end, I guess.
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It depends if you still want winmo or not. Battery life is about the same as SD for me, overall performance is about the same as SD builds, but there are some bonuses with nand, like you can change sd cards, use recovery, couple other small things. If you don't use winmo anymore and don't want it, might as well put android to nand. You have to decide if losing winmo is worth it. Personally I use SD android because I have WP7 on NAND. I used NAND android for a while, and when I went back to SD android, I didn't really notice any difference. SD android is good enough for me and I think being able to have 2 OS's on my phone is much more important and is what makes the HD2 unique and special. If I just wanted android, I would have gotten a native android phone. When you put android on nand, it makes it just like any other android phone and there's nothing it can do that many other phones can't, but when dualbooting you're phone can do things that no other phone can do. And I use WP7 just as much as I use android now, so it's great having both OS's on the same phone.
I was pretty happy with WM+Sense on Stock T-Mobile HD2. And I'm expert-user of WM. But with so many apps for Android and so few NEW apps for WM - it is hard to resist. So I moved to Android SD-mode.
At that point I liked everything except battery life. And GPS Fix was slow. I tries few SD ROMs ... liked them all, not much difference for me. To fight battery drain I moved to NAND.
Speed-wise I do not see any difference between NAND and SD. My battery life is better with NAND. But then again ... may be ROMs get improved, may be I got more experience with how to manage things battery-wise. Got my slow GPS Fix resolved, but I'm sure it would work on SD-mode too.
I would almost all equivalent apps for Android to replace my favorite WM apps.
Bottom line is (for me).
1. Battery is still BETTER with WM. I have to charge every day with Android, with WM I could go 1.5 days, sometimes even 2. But then again ... Android is more into "cloud".
2. Booting into NAND directly is not much faster than WM+Android SD.
3. There is NO navigation with TTS+reliable map/poi source on Android which can be compared to properly skinned Primo 1.1 and that is my ONLY big complain.
4. Overall user experience with Android is better. For me at least. And it crashes much-much-much less than WM. Surprise !
Overall I'm happy with my WM->Android move and I'm not going back. But hey, I was happy on WM too
So, I am trying Android on the SD card of my HD2 for a few days and liking it so far. Thinking of moving completely from WinMo 6.5 (after a few years of usage) to Android. But thought I might ask you guys if there is anything major that Android can't do but WM can.
Hi,
To be honest, everything works for me better in android than in WM. Looks much better, more stable, more apps and no problems at all. Android worked even better in early stages than WM in its best days. I will not miss WM. Just try it and you will see it for you self.
AthenaLod said:
So, I am trying Android on the SD card of my HD2 for a few days and liking it so far. Thinking of moving completely from WinMo 6.5 (after a few years of usage) to Android. But thought I might ask you guys if there is anything major that Android can't do but WM can.
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Since leaving WinMo, I haven't looked back. Now that I've become familiar with Android, I doubt I'll own another non-Android operated phone. IMO, Android is superior to WinMo.
[Q] Anything you miss
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the registry. i feel like a newb on android, 20 some years with my fingers in the registry, , all gone, , sigh.
The only thing i missed about windows was the ability to charge my phone while being turned off. But since i installed clk i can do that again haha. And i'm not going to lie I do miss running custom window roms here and there.
The interface. The automatic APN settings. The registry. The roms. The ability to charge while phone is off. No 2 sec lag on wake up.
Yeah pretty much all the things I miss about winmo.
Nope love Android...No desire to use windows!
I miss how well the GPs used to work on WinMo 6.5. I have tried almost all the builds with almost all the GPS fixes out there on Android but none have given me satisfactory results. The GPS lock for me still remains very erratic even in wide open fields.
layering. with CHT2.0 you can layer on the homescreen. allowed theme freedom. android feels so regimented in that way.
Now that we have CWM Recovery and NAND Android our HD2's are like a native android besides the fact that there is a windows button on it. So, when was the last time you used wm6? Personally for me its been a month
I had 6.1 on my Kaiser (AT&T Tilt) until last night lol. Only ever used it to transfer files from my pc to my HD2's sd card, cause my HD2's usb port is busted. I figured flashing Android to the Kaiser would result in faster file transfer, since it'd be acting as a usb device, bypassing activesync. Went to the trouble of flashing Android on it only to find out usb doesn't work in Android on the Kaiser. Back to WM i guess.
So I suppose I use WM still, kinda.
Sorry for writing a bit of a novel, I'm a little buzzed right now lol.
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It has been more than 6 months, i still remember those painful ways to search the internet for .cab files..thank god we have android now on our beloved hd2..
I am still using it, dual boot with SD Android....
Since 1 day after my ht2 was arrived i'm using android, first dual boot in sd and then in nand
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I still using wm6 inevitably, because l have problem with GPS & Battery drain in android.
The sd versions of android were to buggy for me...so i stayed with wm6.5 and CHT until the release of magldr. Since then I'm a happy HD2 Android user...and I Don't want to miss it anymore - wm6.5 is nothing compared to android in my opinion and I can't understand how people can longer stay with a more or less outdated wm6.5
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I still using wm6 inevitably, because l have problem with GPS & Battery drain in android.
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GPS is not working fine as in wm, cause of the lack of AGPS support. But it's ok for me if I get a lock in 1-2 minutes...my navigon is not really faster with booting, loading pois and finally searching for gps sats - it took even longer.
Can't confirm really battery drainage, generally it's a bad installation or missusage...
Last time I had WM on this phone is about 8 months ago. Works so much better with Android.
Sorry, I have to say last time I used WM is 8 months ago. But I flashed NAND the day it came out.
I use WM, Android and WP. Switching when I got bored.
It is good that every OS support Sync with Googleaccount. So it only takes an hour to have everything set up.
Just today, and yesterday, and the day before..
believe it or not, WinMo is still my everyday OS! Android works fine for me in general, but with power management on WinMo, and most of my irreplaceable apps on it, I still use it, and will do so until some similar apps are availabe for android.
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The sd versions of android were to buggy for me...so i stayed with wm6.5 and CHT until the release of magldr. Since then I'm a happy HD2 Android user...and I Don't want to miss it anymore - wm6.5 is nothing compared to android in my opinion and I can't understand how people can longer stay with a more or less outdated wm6.5
GPS is not working fine as in wm, cause of the lack of AGPS support. But it's ok for me if I get a lock in 1-2 minutes...my navigon is not really faster with booting, loading pois and finally searching for gps sats - it took even longer.
Can't confirm really battery drainage, generally it's a bad installation or missusage...
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I just think that you might not yet find the right SD Android
I have been using SD Android lately (2 months). (Before, I used NANDROID).
In fact I dont have problem with SD Android (MCCM GB v.3.0)
This version is very stable. I rarely go back to Winmo.
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Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
Cheers
I have gone down the dual boot windows Phone 7 and Sd Android route. There is a good video tutorial by 96Edwy.
I dont think your Mrs will be impressed by you spending hours on the computer/phone when you could be doing something useful!
I have found that no matter what you do with this brilliant phone, iphone users will still think theirs is the best.
Still, that said, its all good fun innit
well i think you should try out android.
all the points you mentioned are covered by the os so you can do everything you want.
the difference to wm 6.5 is the much greater number of software that is available.
i really liked wm 6.5.5 on my hd2 with sense but since i am using android i'm really happy with my phone. just because developement on android goes on.
and it's running so smooth on the hd2 and everything works.
you should make a full backup of your wm6.5 rom with spb backup or something like that and just try it out.
windows phone is also great but i think the lack of a good display driver for multitouch is more noticable on windows phone than on android.
but just try it out and decide on your own. if you flashed everything one time it's really fast and you can try everything in one day.
I think it is a must to at least try dual booting Windows Phone 7 and Android. I am currently running Windows Phone 7 (NoDo update) and Android (AOSP CM7 - AmericanAndroid) and I LOVE it. You can get the power and customizability of CM7 at any time, and at the press (or a few presses) of a button you can go back to the smooth, elegant, sleek interface of Windows Phone 7 if you want simplicity and a more robust/unique UI. I never find battery life to be too draining on the SD Android, and there are tweaks to get it respectable on Windows Phone 7. And, this is of course all with the amazing MAGLDR, which allows us to dual boot this. I even have a couple other builds (MIUI and/or Sense) of Android I will switch to sometimes with just a few extra button presses in MAGLDR. So, I guess you could say I'm tri-booting even. Moral of the story, you can do so much more when you dual boot. The only thing I am missing out on Android being on SD (that I know of) is Clockworkmod recovery, which isn't as necessary since you can drag and drop from your SD card to back up system and data images. Well, I've rambled far too long and hope this helps you. Good luck!
I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD
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I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD
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there's no need for two cards just the right partitioning.
I suggest you to use the phone as is on Windows Mobile 6.5 till you get used to it. The HD2 is awesome even on the Windows Mobile. Next when you feel you need to do more, you need more updated apps, and more functionality on the HD2, you can switch to Android, which is available in various flavors- Sense & Stock. You will have the options to chose a ROM which would give what you need, and there will always be updates to the OS, to the apps it uses and also the functionality enhancement.
If Windows Phone 7 gets more apps and developers produce something good, you'll have additional choice here. WP7 is really slick on HD2, just the lack of apps and several bugs, specifically related to battery, etc.
Concerning outshining the iPhone, you have got wonderful widgets to outdo the iPhone Springboard. Similar apps are also available on the Android Market. Moreover you will have extra functionality like Bluetooth transfer between any devices, use of your phone as storage (pen) drive, for tethering (USB & WiFi) on laptop, transfering music, data or other content from any PC, no iTunes.
As mentioned above, you do not need 2 SD cards. I have my 16GB partitioned where Android gets ~8GB and WP7 gets ~8GB. Also, Hamsn, I believe the OP is already at this point, seeing from his first post that he's had it for 15 months and is now looking for suggestions on where to go from WM6.5. Either way, OP, I think you will be pleasantly surprised regardless of which route you take. There are so many options for the HD2 that it really is like a computer in your pocket. Just how you can load pretty much any OS on a laptop without big corporations locking it down, that's how the HD2 is (and how every smart phone should be!). This is off topic, but on that note, I suggest every HD2 owner go "like" the HTC page on Facebook and leave a post telling them how they better revise their new bootloader policy (with the locked EVO 3D, etc.) or we will never buy HTC again. We will never have a worthy successor to the HD2 if they keep this up.
Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.
i just tried it for some time without activating and sideloaded some apps. just to see how i like it. but then i went back to android on nand without dual boot to be able to use cwm recovery.
i would suggest you doing the same and if you like wp7 you can activate and install dual boot. but if you don't know if you will like it you shouldn't do the whole work with partitioning sd, activating and everything.
i went back because the multitouch on wp was much worse than on android and the battery drain was just too high. also i was not able to get an activation code.
Foxmanuk said:
Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
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Foxmanuk said:
Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.
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Well, fwiw I do not have that much of a battery drain on WP7, and most ROMs have a bug/fix where if you go into camera, switch it to camcorder, then switch back the battery drain is fixed. Also, activation is a breeze if you do it over MS chat (say you're from US though, I think). The good thing about having the dual boot is that WP7 is only going to improve and get more modern from here. If you dual boot with WM6.5 the OS gets more and more stagnant and outdated. We should be getting Mango sometime in the coming months and I think DFT will have a way where you can actually update your phone directly from Zune like it's an HD7. And, of course, you can always keep a nice CM7 or MIUI for your Android boot option. Maybe I'm just so dazzled by having both the awesome UI of WP7 and the power of CM7 that I think it's the best way to go, but it all comes down to personal preference. If you need the features of WM6.5 go for it. But, WP7, like I said, is just getting better and better, and the only difference from NAND Android and SD is that you don't get clockworkmod. With WP7 and Android you can basically have an HD7 and an EVO in one device.
Thanks for all the help on this thread. I have successfully dual booted WP7 and SD Android on first attempt.
For fellow newbies out there, read, read, read, and then take things slow.
I made sure I knew as much as I could and things went through easily.
WP7 was a 3 min job over MS chat. All working well.
Just getting used to both OS. Think I will use WP7 at work, and Android later in the day. I will post back about practicalities of having both as dual boot options.
I can see already there are a few things I need to get used to on both OS.