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Just a: "Huh, that's funny"

Just a thought that came to me...
I was perusing some old posts about when the g1 came out. It seems funny to me that since the launch of the g1 and android, the people that loves the iphone (fanboys -- trying not to be flaming here - lol), How many comments about how this phone is going to die out soon and what not. I think back when the iphone came out and that was only just over 2 years ago, and the g1 is now only 3 months shy of its birthday, how many people bashed this phone.
I love this phone and most people at work would love to have one, but they aren't on t-mobile. They like what the capabilities of this phone will become and then some. I think that they were wrong to get rid of the keyboard, I like being able to type and the screen and not half hidden by a vk.
I think that the prices on the market are such that it will also bring people this this system (not just the phones). With what is coming out from the various manufactures that are makikng android phones, i think about the fact that there is only 2 phones available from the iphone....
I wonder how dead is this phone? If this OS came in a flip phone (because that is what my wife wants), then I will be more than happy to give her one. All in all, I will stick with android, not because i am a "fanboy", but because I believe in the magic of opensource and helping one another is what being human is about.
So, one last comment before I put my drunk ass to bed, dollars to doughnuts, this'll be around for awhile. I like both phones, they are basically the same under all the glitter. But, hey, everyone has a choice.
have a great 4th of july everyone, and if you are not from the USA, then I hope you have a great 4th of july also.

bodyman said:
Just a thought that came to me...
I wonder how dead is this phone?.
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The phone isn't dead, it's because T-Mobile doesn't really give a crap about their phones enough to actually market them. They also don't care about you, the consumer. Honestly, all they care about is their bottom line.
Look at any call center. Many call centers constantly run competitions for CSR's to win some widget. Sell x amount of this brand of phone and win a prize.
Know what that means? When a consumer calls in wanting a Blackberry (or whatever), the CSR is going to do whatever they can to convince you to buy phone brand x because they want to win the widget, not because they give a damn about what phone would best suite you.
Tmobile actively encourages this kind of crap and they should be ashamed.

Very true. Back in Jan someone I know went to tmo asking about the g1. The rep told him it sucks buy a blackberry, (the flip one.. pearl maybe? I dunno). That was the craziest thing I have ever heard. Bb > android? Is this guy high?.. lol needless to say he has since returned and purchased the g1 after talking to me. I just thought this to be insane.

Unresponsive Screen - Reason for halt in distribution?

http://www.androidcentral.com/incredibles-screen-causing-consternation-some-how-about-you
If you wanna skip to the good stuff, see this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQRgT3gtmsI
It's comparing an Eris, Droid, and 3 incredibles.
It seems that whenever the incredible isn't grounded or being held it becomes unresponsive.
Heres an example in a car dock..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXB1MjYM5Ks
How many of you are getting this problem? It's actually a pretty big deal even though it wont stop me from getting the phone when its back in stores..
I'll just throw a case on it.
Also, doesn't it make sense that this is the reason why it suddenly became impossible to get an incredible?
The reason we've gotten is AMOLED shortages but they're probably fixing this in the background.
I really hope so, because the first thing IM gonna do when i get this phone is test this **** out LOL

I've never ever had any issues with screen response. I tried to duplicate the issue in that video on my own with no success.

What halt in production!?

at our office we tried the exact test with 8 incredibles and every single one of them worked fine.

I think that happened to me a few times. I figured I was taxing the hell outta the processor with my fast clicks.

Mine has done it from Day 1. Just can't seem to get worked up about it.

Happens to me when its in the car dock, takes a few tries to get a response.

Interesting stuff. Tested mine on a variety of surfaces right now and it worked fine. I bought mine on launch day FYI.

@lexluthor
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5269
As you can see it says "due to high demand" they wont ship til 6/28!
Also I went in yesterday and they also said it would be around 3 weeks.
I've called about 5 stores and get the same thing from everybody.
HTC is simply NOT shipping these phones atm.
Shortly after they were made aware of this design flaw.

The Inc is by far the most responsive phone that I've ever used, much more so than either the Droid or the Eris. I have also compared it to the N1 and whatever the issue was with that, they definitely fixed it.

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@lexluthor
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5269
As you can see it says "due to high demand" they wont ship til 6/28!
Also I went in yesterday and they also said it would be around 3 weeks.
I've called about 5 stores and get the same thing from everybody.
HTC is simply NOT shipping these phones atm.
Shortly after they were made aware of this design flaw.
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Not at all true.
http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/75303-date-you-ordered-received-phone-vs-will-ship-date.html
Phones are indeed shipping out.
So, again, what halt in distribution?
Sure, they are having trouble getting the parts to put together the phone and they are way behind, but I don't think there's any evidence at all that they have halted distribution to fix a major problem.

Lex, those forum posters purchased in the month of may.
The same month that this problem was discovered in a good portion of phones.
HTC was notified of this issue in mid to late may.
Since then (according to your own link) nobody was getting phones without a delay of at least a few weeks.
Those who had already purchased phones, still got them, but with a delay.
Those who hadn't had to wait longer (some time in june).
I am pretty certain that they slowed production to make sure that phones which were shipped didn't face such issues.
If it was merely a shortage of AMOLED displays, then answer me this.
How come the evo 4g, nexus one, desire etc are shipping out like mad with no news of shortages?

Irishpride said:
The Inc is by far the most responsive phone that I've ever used, much more so than either the Droid or the Eris. I have also compared it to the N1 and whatever the issue was with that, they definitely fixed it.
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Mine is only unresponsive in a car dock mounted on window, with no ground...
Only had it like a week, is this something people have sent phones back because of?

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Lex, those forum posters purchased in the month of may.
The same month that this problem was discovered in a good portion of phones.
HTC was notified of this issue in mid to late may.
Since then (according to your own link) nobody was getting phones without a delay of at least a few weeks.
Those who had already purchased phones, still got them, but with a delay.
Those who hadn't had to wait longer (some time in june).
I am pretty certain that they slowed production to make sure that phones which were shipped didn't face such issues.
If it was merely a shortage of AMOLED displays, then answer me this.
How come the evo 4g, nexus one, desire etc are shipping out like mad with no news of shortages?
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Well the Evo 4G doesn't use an AMOLED display, so it is unaffected. As for the N1 and Desire, my best guess would be that no one is buying the N1 and since the Desire has been out for a while compared to the Incredible, demand is down.

Both my friend and I got our Incredibles on launch day (he got one at store, I got mine in mail from pre-order). We both have this grounding issue. For example, sitting on the couch with the phone next to me, the phone screen is so unresponsive I can't get past the slide unlock screen to open the phone unless I pick it up. Friend has the exact same problem on his couch.
The phone is still amazing and I don't let this ruin my experience, but the issue isn't a myth.

Solomente said:
Both my friend and I got our Incredibles on launch day (he got one at store, I got mine in mail from pre-order). We both have this grounding issue. For example, sitting on the couch with the phone next to me, the phone screen is so unresponsive I can't get past the slide unlock screen to open the phone unless I pick it up. Friend has the exact same problem on his couch.
The phone is still amazing and I don't let this ruin my experience, but the issue isn't a myth.
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Exactly, im just wondering if it was bad batch, hence maybe we should swap them out :S

You could call HTC, let us know if they're able to fix this..

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Lex, those forum posters purchased in the month of may.
The same month that this problem was discovered in a good portion of phones.
HTC was notified of this issue in mid to late may.
Since then (according to your own link) nobody was getting phones without a delay of at least a few weeks.
Those who had already purchased phones, still got them, but with a delay.
Those who hadn't had to wait longer (some time in june).
I am pretty certain that they slowed production to make sure that phones which were shipped didn't face such issues.
If it was merely a shortage of AMOLED displays, then answer me this.
How come the evo 4g, nexus one, desire etc are shipping out like mad with no news of shortages?
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Phones are SHIPPING, that's a fact. There's no "halt in distribution". Supply is obviously lacking, but your theory about it having to do with the screen is just a theory with no real backing behind it at all.
Call HTC, do whatever, try to get confirmation, but until you do, it's really just a guess on your part if they are doing anything at all about this possible issue.

*update*
I just got off the phone with Verizon Rep about the unresponsive screen problem. who didn't know anything about this situation, I made him transfer me to a Verizon Tech after a lot of negotiating.
The Verizon Rep decided to stay on the line with me, and we both spoke to the Verizon Tech about the issue.
After a long explanation on my part, they say its not in there Reported faults so I made Sarah the tech I was talking to go to this forum, and lots of other forums, and search Google for to find information out about this issue.
She found lots of people mentioning they had reported it to Verizon, but it wasn't in the reported faults section.
Therefore she said she noted it in that section, and also forwarded it to HTC as an urgent notice.
She then went on to tell me, that when she dug deeper into their system that she found a couple of cases of where this had happened, and they couldn't find a fix for it so a new phone was shipped.
So it ends up, I have a new phone on its way by Fed-Ex overnight shipping, so it should be here within 2 days. I have not had to pay the $35 restocking fee, and hopefully the new phone won't have the same issue.
Ill update as soon as I get the new phone.
Thanks

This problem does not happen to me as much as some of you. Maybe once a week at the most. Although, to change the subject a bit.. I do get the HTC logo when exiting apps or Killing apps sometimes and it hangs up on the loading screen for about 15-20 seconds. Once again, I figure Im taxing the CPU a little. I still love this phone and hope HTC can take down Apple Corp. (aka Cyberdyne) some day

interesting reading on 2.2 and samsung

http://m.examiner.com/exSanFrancisco/pm_75809/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=WzckuLg6
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I can accept that story or some other form it. I mean, it is out in Europe and has been for some time. And they have been dropping new phones with 2.2 for a while now. Why wouldn't these A-holes release it in the States. Can't imagine they have been testing the firmware for the past 7 months.

I have the epic and our update got delayed too. I knew it had something to do some bs like this but why would they delay the epic update because it already has sprint 4g in it. They could be upgrading their wimax to lte or coming out with the bidder screen model with the super amoled plus screen and they will launch that with froyo and leave ours in the dust. I guess we will find out on the 3rd of feb at sprints special event
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I thought maybe Samsung was going to just skip 2.2 and release a 2.3 update because Samsung is already running 2.3 on their Nexus S.
I was actually going to buy an Epic tomorrow.
But, if this article is true, I am going to "devalue" Samsung and not buy their product.
[email protected] them if they are making existing customers suffer because of their greed.

Honestly, this is probably true. I know this sucks, but companies like this value their earnings more than their customers. Those of us who have been eagerly awaiting Froyo are in the minority, and they know that most of the people who own these devices couldn't care less about it.
This will probably be the last Samsung phone that I will ever buy, I'd rather give my money to a company which values their customers and provides customers with timely information regarding updates and the like.

This reminds me of the initial warnings about previous samsung devices and the lack of updates when the epic first came out. Although this is the best sprint phone I have owned to date I still wonder if I should have taken those warnings a little more seriously!

Yes I heard complaints in the past about Samsung's poor phone support but I still got the Epic. Mostly because my old phone (HTC Touch) died and it was going to cost $100 for a replacement (thanks lame Sprint insurance). So I just decided to get a new phone and compared to the Evo, the Epic seemed like the much better option. After experiencing Samsung's greed and lack of support for their existing products, I'm going back to HTC next go round.

Let's kill!

Agree. This most likely would've been the last Samsung phone I bought. This pretty much seals the deal.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.

HeXeD said:
For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD

As Lee Corso would say, 'not so fast my friend.' Before I scooped my Epic, I had the HTC Touch (the original way old Vogue) and the ppc6700 (the silver brick) before that. I never had any issues with software other than crappy windows mobile but when it came to updates and/or support, I was happy. Hardware was on point as well. Samsung Galaxy has been a major disappointment for me having owner various Samsung products and knowing that their hardware is excellent. Still think the Epic is terrific. Just disappointed at all the troubles that customers have experienced across the entire Galaxy lineup.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD
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This page has more detailed information on the T-Mobile leaked rumor:
...Trust me when I tell you, we had an update for the original G1, and HTC begged us not to. In 75% of the cases known to me in my [time] here and my [time] dealing with Android I will say that honestly most upgrade hold offs were the Manufacturer and NOT us as some believe. But we catch the flack.
I am tired. [redacted] I am up to here with Samsung. They pulled the same thing with the Behold 2 that I MYSELF had to clean up and caught wind over. The update to 2.1 update 1 is existant...
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If true, this shows how completely and utterly out of touch Samsung's executives are with reality.
First of all, the whole theory that a 2.2-Vibrant(non-4G) would "devalue" the 4G. EVEN IF the only difference between the old and new Vibrant were the front camera and 4G, how many users likely to notice or care about whether or not the current Vibrant has 2.2 would *honestly* choose to buy the old model instead of the new one, even if it were a $50 difference between the two? People who buy $50 phones or wait months to get an old model on closeout for "free" with 2-year contract aren't the people who buy phones like the Epic, Vibrant, and the rest of the Galaxy S family. People in "our" category might ******* about a $50 difference... but we'll pay it anyway, because we know that if we don't, we'll be miserable and regret it daily for the next year or two.
Ditto, for customers who already own a Vibrant. In the entire United f***ing States, there *might* be 10,000 Vibrant owners who'll dump one and buy a Vibrant4G at full retail just to get 4G and/or the front camera. And I'll bet that a hefty subset of that group are T-Mobile employees whose "full" cost (after employee discount) is roughly what the rest of us would pay for a subsidized phone with contract, anyway. Now, having satisfied that group... how many more existing Vibrant customers do they REALLY think they're going to get by withholding 2.2 from owners of older Vibrants? Especially considering the abundance of custom ROMs.
The rationale becomes even more absurd when you consider the case of withholding 2.2 from Epic4G owners. I'm sure if you combed America hard enough, you might find a few Epic4G owners who'd dump it, pay the ETF to Sprint, switch to T-Mobile, and buy a Vibrant4G... but scratch a bit deeper, and I'd bet a major body part that the overwhelming majority of THAT group consists of users who probably wanted to switch anyway, and the existence of the Vibrant4G was more of an enabling excuse and rationale than an actual *reason*.
Companies like Samsung just don't seem to "get it". Consumers might chuck a $25 mp3 player to buy a newer, cooler one in 4 months. Statistically NOBODY chucks an expensive pocket computer whose marginal replacement cost exceeds $400 for an incremental improvement 4-6 months down the line. The closest ANY phone has probably come to motivating early switching was the Evo, and that was basically because the Evo was roughly twice as good as the Hero in almost every meaningful way, and worse in basically none. Users MIGHT be induced to switch early for 10x faster data, twice the cpu speed, 50% more resolution on a screen nearly twice the size, and a lot more ram. Users are NOT going to casually switch because one has 2.2 and one is officially stuck at 2.1... they're just going to root, reflash, and promise their deity of choice that they'll never buy another Samsung phone again.
If anything, T-Mobile is the biggest loser, because if true, this means that Samsung is effectively doing its best to devalue T-Mobile's inventory of existing unsold Vibrants. Now, if T-Mobile charges $10/month more for 4G service, that might merit trying harder to induce otherwise-indifferent new purchasers to go with the 4G model instead of the old model... but if it's the same price per month for service, it's to T-Mobile's own advantage to all but encourage new customers who are indifferent between the two to go with the old one... it's one less phone for T-Mobile to write off as a loss and send to a spare parts warehouse to gather dust until it ends up in a landfill or gets dumped on a new penny-pinching customer who only cares that it's "free" with 2-year contract, and one fewer customer who'll start abusing youtube as a source of free in-car music on demand (soaking up lots of bandwidth in the process).
This is the kind of logic that leaves me wondering how some big corporations can even stay in business. I worked for one a couple of years ago where we were ordered to *immediately* dispose of a hundred or so old laptops -- at a cost of $250 apiece -- instead of keeping them piled on a few shelves in a storage room in case we came up with a good use for them someday (like using them as thin clients for call center operators... something we had, in fact, done before). The executive rationale? The accountants complained that they were "costing" us $5,000/month to store based on the square-foot value of the space they were taking up in the closet, and somebody's wet dream fantasies about the value of that space. The thing is, we were about ~15 employees in a warehouse-like facility almost a square city block in size that was 95% empty (built during the dotcom boom, then the company was stuck with it due to a glut of similar buildings nearby). So, we burned $25,000 in the name of emptying off a 4x6 foot steel shelving unit, basically to humor the delusional fantasies of a faceless borg more concerned with a checklist item than getting actual work done and bringing in revenue. Madness. Pure, faceless, bureaucratically-driven out of control insanity.

HeXeD said:
For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I agree with you and I really love my Epic BUT.... I can't help wondering how much better the phone would be with the upgrade.
Also Im sure this has been posted but this is an interesting read rating carriers and manufacturers on their upgrade rate.

looks to be true. This is on the front page of yahoo news.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html

Also made it to Slashdot!
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2334213/Is-Samsung-Blocking-Updates-To-Froyo
And PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
I have a feeling some people at Samsung are having a very bad day indeed.

Nexus S reboot problem:
Google Nexus S, google's second handset is in the limelight for wrong reasons this time. Looks like, the nexus S handsets are randomly rebooting atleast once every 48 hours, usually during a voice call! Google has officially confirmed this bug in their support forum. All the handsets that has been updated to the latest version of gingerbread (Android 2.3.1/GRH78) are affected by this bug.
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User's post from Slashdot story:
The real reason they are stonewalling on the 2.2 update for Vibrant is this: When they released the 2.2 update for the Vibrant in Canada, the update worked fine for a week or two, and then like clockwork bricked a huge percentage of the phones that updated. And when I say bricked, I'm not being liberal with that word, after a week or so running the Samsung 2.2 update, the SD card would become corrupt, and recovery mode would be unable to format it. My wife and I both have Vibrants, and it happened to them both one day apart. Samsung has been silent on the matter. Not surprising they'd avoid moving sending the 2.2 update out to US Vibrant owners, and also not surprising that they're refusing to explain why. Bell at least is fixing them, but lots of people on the XDA forum are saying their "repaired" phones are bricking again in short order.
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Samsung's official response to CNET's query about the rumor:
Samsung Mobile does not comment on rumors or speculation. With regard to the Froyo update, we recently issued the following statement: "Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible.
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Just to add to this conversation --> Just got off a chat with Sprint and I kept asking them about Froyo for the Epic. Everytime I mentioned it, the Sprint rep would direct me to Samsung and it's their fault. I think they got mad that I kept asking and pushing the subject, that they said they could no longer help me on the chat and gave me Samsung's number to call.
Looking at Samsung's facebook account, there a bunch of people complaining about this issue. Hopefully all this pressure will make Samsung cave in. *crosses fingers*

I call bull****.
Having come from the Crackberry world, this sort of stuff happens all the time. A supposed "reliable source" will leak some sort of story, the fringe enthusiast sites get wind of it and generates chatter and it eventually gets picked up by a naive journalist with a lazy editor and it gets put up as "legit" news which then causes a feedback loop which causes the internet to explore.
The example that comes to mind is the OS 4.7.0.113 update for the Blackberry Storm 9530 on Verizon, a leaked OS that "reliable sources" claimed was going to be the next official update but wasn't. It made it to PC World as well:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163056/blackberry_storm_to_get_firmware_update.html
And it was 100% bull****. So I wouldn't give this rumor much credence.
The explanation of not wanting to take the wind out of the sails of the Vibrant 4G is irrelevant to other Galaxy S models where there is no similar Osbourne effect - such as with the Epic 4G.
My guess is that the actual explanation is much more mundane. Given the problem with Froyo bricking Vibrants, I would bet dollars to donuts that Samsung got super gunshy and their slow approach to Froyo updates to smaller markets is nothing more than a widespread, low-risk beta test to make sure their code is up to snuff before risking releasing an unstable update to the larger, litigious American Galaxy S userbases.

Ctia = boring

Wow, not really much going on for the 1st day imo. Nothing much on anything coming soon, like in the next few weeks.
I'm sitting on my atrix which is in its box on the fridge waiting to hear of something coming soon on att. Guess I will just return it and get my $ back.
I've been waiting for news on the sgs2 our the samsung infuse. Maybe tomorrow our wed hopefully.
What are your thoughts.
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I'm also really interested in hearing about the Samsung Galaxy S II and the Samsung Infuse. Hilariously enough, I went to an AT&T store to get a new SIM for my iPhone 4 so I could give it to my mom, and I asked an employee working there who had a little Samsung badge on his belt if he knew anything about the Infuse's release date. "Samsung Infuse? Never heard of it."

I was at CTIA today. HTC guy said they were going to announce a dual core phone today...Never heard about it. Suppose it's the Pyramid. The booth guy really didn't know very much.
Did go by the Motorola booth and jokingly complain about the Skype, Fake 4G, and other things. The guys just all grinned and blamed it on AT&T.
Galaxy S II no one at the booth would say anything about when it was coming to US.
Playstation phone was nice. Got to see an Arc (from an ericsson guys pocket) it was nice but kind of meh.
All in all I agree I have sore feet and not much else to show for my efforts.
If I had been feeling particularly malicious I would have connected my phone straight to a HDMI cord sans dock and showed the Moto guys what's been done to the phone, but I didn't.
I had the best time at the Nokia booth though. People were really friendly, and down to earth. Had a grea time chatting with a booth guy that was really knowledgeable and we both decided we hope the best comes out of the WP7 deal. I tried to get him to open up about a new "Meego" type phone but he just smiled.
Tomorrow is my last day to return the Atrix and I guess I'm keeping it.
See I had to pay full 535 for it and it just rankles me that I at times feel due to the various issues I'm not getting nor will get the full moneys worth.
Buyers remorse from too much time reading forums I guess.

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Tomorrow is my last day to return the Atrix and I guess I'm keeping it.
See I had to pay full 535 for it and it just rankles me that I at times feel due to the various issues I'm not getting nor will get the full moneys worth.
Buyers remorse from too much time reading forums I guess.
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Me too, same dilemma. I want a SGS II SO bad, but no idea when its being released is so off-putting. i can't wait around in limbo for 2, 3, 4 months. I paid full price for my Atrix as well and am contemplating returning it or not. I'll only get $495 of the $530 i paid though back ($35 re-stocking fee). Hoping CTIA would bring me a reason to take it back, but unfortunately nothing yet.

Well I rationalize that since. I love the phone even with all its flaws I'll enjoy it as is.
Work pays for my base phone bill & data plan so it's like getting the phone for free.
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Who's camping?

I'm really thinking I might at the very least camp it for an hour before my T-Mobile opens. I was told they only have 5 phones to sell and they didn't know if they were getting another shipment. I assume they are though, because why else would they delay the launch. If I can't get one, then it's not the end of the world.
So, what are your game plans? Anyone pitching a tent?
BTW, I went in and checked out the demo. First impressions were good, everything I had expected although I will say this: the midnight blue is the BIGGEST fingerprint magnet I've ever seen. The back of it looked like it had already seen three years of hard abuse. I'll def be putting a case or skin on it

zcgofaster said:
I'm really thinking I might at the very least camp it for an hour before my T-Mobile opens. I was told they only have 5 phones to sell and they didn't know if they were getting another shipment. I assume they are though, because why else would they delay the launch. If I can't get one, then it's not the end of the world.
So, what are your game plans? Anyone pitching a tent?
BTW, I went in and checked out the demo. First impressions were good, everything I had expected although I will say this: the midnight blue is the BIGGEST fingerprint magnet I've ever seen. The back of it looked like it had already seen three years of hard abuse. I'll def be putting a case or skin on it
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I'm pretty confident in saying that you won't have to camp. Nobody outside of these forums even knows the phone is being released. I work in a dept of over 300 people with smartphones and not a single person has heard nor cares about the N6.
The are you going to buy it poll on the most frequented android forum in the world had a whopping 155 votes. People are acting like this phone isn't going to be available.
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I tend to agree. I contemplated camping until I considered I might be the only one outside waiting. I might get there 20 minutes early though. Just in case. Even if they sell out the stock before I get a chance to buy one. I'm doubtful it will be on back order the first day. So odds are they'll be able to ship it in a couple days, hopefully.
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I think it'll be win win. If I get one, awesome. If not then I'll get what I really want: 64gb white

My impression was waiting 4-5 hours before they open. Interesting that people in here are not to worry about it. Guess depends where you live. When I got my M7 on launch day in Bellevue, I went half an hour before they opened and was like 4th in line, and several people behind me. Going based on that.

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Not right now...

For perspective, the Nexus 5 sold less than 5 million units since release. The Note 4 sold nearly that in a week. No matter how difficult Google makes it to get online, the phone will be widely available at the carriers. Nexus devices have never sold well, even at 299-399 dollars. I suspect the 650-700 dollar Nexus wont be flying out of the stores, either. If people want a Phablet, they'll just get a Note 4, its pretty much cornered the market on Phablets. I love the Nexus line, but I can count on one hand how many people I've ever seen in the wild with one since the Nexus one, and I live in NY.

At the earliest, I'll be there around 1 hour before release. Like others have said in the thread so far, this isn't a very popular release outside of the XDA forums. In fact, most Tmobile reps are clueless about the launch itself.

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At the earliest, I'll be there around 1 hour before release. Like others have said in the thread so far, this isn't a very popular release outside of the XDA forums. In fact, most Tmobile reps are clueless about the launch itself.
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I agree. And on top of that, getting any consumer electronics item a few weeks before it becomes widely available isn't going to improve your life in any measurable way. By the way, I ordered through Motorola and am expecting delivery on November 26th. I think I can wait another 11 days.

Does camping around your phone that has two apps set up to alert you when it's available count? I will actually be working at T-Mo that day, I'm in training so don't go asking me questions b/c honestly I know as much as you all at this point. I'll get outta work around 2-3pm and maybe drive around to take ganders at it if I can.

I'll be camping at the website waiting to order a 64 GB one. Haha

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I'll be camping at the website waiting to order a 64 GB one. Haha
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Same and hopefully they allow us to do that at Midnight.

i seriously doubt camping is necessary. google did no large scale marketing at all, and stores typically get new devices in during a shipment midday (unless led by apple who can drive a SPECIFIC launch date world wide). heck, i sold 2 galaxy edges at my att store on the 13th even though we expected them to arrive on the 18th. so fingers crossed we get our nexus 6 before the expected arrival of 21st.

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i seriously doubt camping is necessary. google did no large scale marketing at all, and stores typically get new devices in during a shipment midday (unless led by apple who can drive a SPECIFIC launch date world wide). heck, i sold 2 galaxy edges at my att store on the 13th even though we expected them to arrive on the 18th. so fingers crossed we get our nexus 6 before the expected arrival of 21st.
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Wait someone bought the edge!?!?

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Wait someone bought the edge!?!?
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yeah haha we had 2 edges come in and they gobbled it up at my att store in addison tx

Will likely be at one of the leaked stores supposed to sell it at least 5 hours in advance of opening.

zcgofaster said:
I think it'll be win win. If I get one, awesome. If not then I'll get what I really want: 64gb white
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Ditto

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Not right now...
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Get this man a beer for this post (and maybe a nudie mag)

I'll probably be showing up right when they open at 9AM. I was at one of my local stores at 9AM for the Z3 release (returned it due to lack of group messaging support) and I was the only one there.

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I'll probably be showing up right when they open at 9AM. I was at one of my local stores at 9AM for the Z3 release (returned it due to lack of group messaging support) and I was the only one there.
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I think this is much more popular than the Z3.