Did anyone get a t-mobile venue pro and check to see if it has att 3g?
The samsung vibrant on t-mobile worked on att 3g even though it was advertised as only having 1700mhz 3g bands.
also if someone in the uk can check what 3g bands it has for sure? I have seen conflicting reports.
bigneeker said:
Did anyone get a t-mobile venue pro and check to see if it has att 3g?
The samsung vibrant on t-mobile worked on att 3g even though it was advertised as only having 1700mhz 3g bands.
also if someone in the uk can check what 3g bands it has for sure? I have seen conflicting reports.
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UK = 900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
Australia = 900/1900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
US = 900/1700/2100 = only works on AWS Band IV in US 3G (a.k.a. T-Mobile).
It's been confirmed by several comments on Engadget that the DVP will NOT work on ATT 3G.
Someone even commented on here to confirm that as well.
Se4nH4x said:
UK = 900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
Australia = 900/1900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
US = 900/1700/2100 = only works on AWS Band IV in US 3G (a.k.a. T-Mobile).
It's been confirmed by several comments on Engadget that the DVP will NOT work on ATT 3G.
Someone even commented on here to confirm that as well.
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Uhhh, At&t's 3G uses 850 or 1900, not 850 and 1900. The Australian version would work with At&t 3G, it would just be limited.
But since At&t still uses the 1900 band, it'd still work fine.
Funk2641 said:
Uhhh, At&t's 3G uses 850 or 1900, not 850 and 1900. The Australian version would work with At&t 3G, it would just be limited.
But since At&t still uses the 1900 band, it'd still work fine.
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It's 850 download, 1900 upload.
I never said it wouldn't work with ATT, I said it wouldn't work with ATT 3G.
If you just have 1900, you won't get ATT 3G.
It will default to 2G or Edge. The 3G UMTS bands (900/1700/1900/2100) are ignored in this case. It will default to the GMS bands/Edge.
Se4nH4x said:
It's 850 download, 1900 upload.
I never said it wouldn't work with ATT, I said it wouldn't work with ATT 3G.
If you just have 1900, you won't get ATT 3G.
It will default to 2G or Edge. The 3G UMTS bands (900/1700/1900/2100) are ignored in this case. It will default to the GMS bands/Edge.
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No it isn't. You're thinking of Tmobile with 1700/2100. Att 3G uses 850 or 1900. Always has been, always will be until they shut the 1900 band off. Don't believe me?
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this is where the 1900 band is in use.
look at this:
this is where the 850 band is in use:
it's always either 850 or 1900, never both at the same time.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
Funk2641 said:
No it isn't. You're thinking of Tmobile with 1700/2100. Att 3G uses 850 or 1900. Always has been, always will be until they shut the 1900 band off. Don't believe me?
look:
this is where the 1900 band is in use.
look at this:
this is where the 850 band is in use:
it's always either 850 or 1900, never both at the same time.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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You fail to understand me.
THOSE ARE 2G BANDS.
"GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" <--- 2G/EDGE. NOT 3G.
2G/EDGE only requires ONE BAND, NOT 2.
3G requires BOTH.
Se4nH4x said:
You fail to understand me.
THOSE ARE 2G BANDS.
"GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" <--- 2G/EDGE. NOT 3G.
2G/EDGE only requires ONE BAND, NOT 2.
3G requires BOTH.
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Nope. Att uses 1 band for 3G, and 1 band for 2G. You can even verify for yourself here:
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
If they're going to be 850-only, doesn't than mean that ATT uses one or the other?
Wanna hear it from the CEO? :
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/23/the-engadget-interview-ralph-de-la-vega-ceo-of-atandt-mobility/
Ralph: Yeah. We actually have more than 320 cities that are now 3G capable [AT&T has written us to let us know that they're actually at 350+. -Ed.]. We're going to continue to increase the number of cities, the number of the population that's covered, and we'll be finishing this year converting the frequency band that is used in some major cities for 3G from 1900 to 850, so by the end of the year, we'll finish San Francisco, we'll finish parts of New York, and then that'll bring the best technology 3G on the best backbone to significantly improve the quality and the coverage for 3G on our network.
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Here's even a direct answer for you: http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/G...mp-T-support-1900MHz-band-phones/td-p/1424674
Anywhoo, op, yes, the Australian version will support 1900mhz 3G. You'll be fine.
So why is it in Canada then when I contact companies like Bell, Telus, Rogers, etc they say something like this: "it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
they use the word "and" which implies both...
apparently 850 is better too
"850 gives you greater distance and unlike 1900 it will penetrate areas like elevators etc. You should use 850 whenever possible."
Se4nH4x said:
So why is it in Canada then when I contact companies like Bell, Telus, Rogers, etc they say something like this: "it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
they use the word "and" which implies both...
apparently 850 is better too
"850 gives you greater distance and unlike 1900 it will penetrate areas like elevators etc. You should use 850 whenever possible."
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"it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
that does imply both, but it doesn't need both to operate effectively. And yeah, the 850 band is stronger, but the 1900 band travels farther. Either way, the OP will be fine, if he chooses to get the Australian version.
Funk2641 said:
"it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
that does imply both, but it doesn't need both to operate effectively. And yeah, the 850 band is stronger, but the 1900 band travels farther. Either way, the OP will be fine, if he chooses to get the Australian version.
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Well I'm considering this too because I live in Canada so I need to get my hands on a DVP.
So for internet purposes, such as email, video, etc, 1900 is fine?
The other issue is...http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
The DVP sold in australia is like $400 more expensive >.>. not to mention it only has 8 GB.
I'll try and arrange a deal with someone in the US when Dell starts selling it.
Se4nH4x said:
Well I'm considering this too because I live in Canada so I need to get my hands on a DVP.
So for internet purposes, such as email, video, etc, 1900 is fine?
The other issue is...http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
The DVP sold in australia is like $400 more expensive >.>. not to mention it only has 8 GB.
I'll try and arrange a deal with someone in the US when Dell starts selling it.
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I think it'll work just fine, honestly. I'm considering it myself as well.
I can confirm that phones that have 1900mhz work on att 3g. I had an omnia 2 with 1900mhz 3g only and it worked fine in Manhattan.
some areas only have 850mhz 3g which would make it not work on 3g.
I guess I will have to look for an australian version, unfortunately it's a lot more expensive.
I am surprised that only the australian version has 1900mhz 3g on it.
Hopefully ATT or Rogers will release soon enough so we don't feel left out.
I just saw clove UK site update to 900/1700/2100 MHz . will that work with t-mobile 3g? edge only ? att 3g? or att edge only ?
900/1700/2100 MHz means it will work on t-mobile 3g and on ATT Edge
So apparently, the DVP will only work on ATT for voice and the edge data network. Is this something that the magicians here at XDA can fix with a different radio to flash on the DVP once it's cracked?
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So apparently, the DVP will only work on ATT for voice and the edge data network. Is this something that the magicians here at XDA can fix with a different radio to flash on the DVP once it's cracked?
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No, that's not a possibility. Your best option is to switch carriers.
Using my DVP on ATT sans 3g for now. Dont feel like moving to Tmobile until I move areas. Edge aint that bad if you have wifi around
I'm confused... Here's what I found on the Clove website...
GSM/GPRS Yes
Frequencies 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Speed
3G/HSPA Yes
Frequencies 900/1700/2100 MHz
Speed HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Does this mean that it will work on ATT? It says there's both 850 an 1900
900/2100 MHz is Tmobile 3G
850/1900 MHz is ATT 3G
Yes it will work on ATT - but not with ATT 3G.
Sangheili said:
900/2100 MHz is Tmobile 3G
850/1900 MHz is ATT 3G
Yes it will work on ATT - but not with ATT 3G.
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T-Mobile is 1700/2100 for 3G.
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Hello all,
I am posting this in the General forum as I believe it is a general question, although partly related to the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 phone. To make a long story short, I am trying to discover which exact frequencies Rogers/Fido uses for their 3G network.
I called Fido today and even the CSR couldn't give me a concrete answer. I would hope to find the real answer out as this will help people interested in using EU/ASIA phones in Canada.
For more information (and so I don't have to double-type), please check the post I made in the Xperia forums below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2745513&postcount=10
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
scar45 said:
Hello all,
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
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To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 850 for 3G, NOT 2100 (2100 is Japan and so on).
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
When they launched the 3G network, they went with 850.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
[edit] oops just read your thread.
These may be of help:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?referrerid=295219&t=1441969
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1259262-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless (claims 850MHz for 3G, no 1900)
Pseudo Nim said:
To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 2100 for 3G, so you are correct.
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
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I haven't actually got my hands on the X1 yet, as I really want to confirm as to whether or not I should get the X1i or X1a...I have been waiting forever and I'm tempted to risk getting the X1i (900/1900/2100mhz 3G), however I am not totally confident that it will work on the Rogers' 3G network.
You claim that Rogers and Fido both use 2100mhz for 3G, and if that is the case, then the X1i should work. I was under the impression that 2100mhz wasn't even used with Rogers, and it was a question of 850 or 1900mhz for 3G. Also, it would appear that Fido no longer has it's own towers, and they only use the Rogers' ones for now. Therefore, I don't believe there would be a difference between Fido or Rogers' actual GSM/3G service.
I'm not so much confused, but rather uninformed as to what frequenct the Rogers' 3G service uses. Whether it's a difference between 850/1900/2100, it would still be good to know if ALL are available in the Toronto area.
Hopefully more Canadians see this thread and can elaborate as to which exact frequency Rogers' 3G truly is.
Thanks for your input Pseudo Nim, it's greatly appreciated to get more info on this issue!
** EDIT ** - Here's what I found from the digitalhome.ca forums which seems to make sense to me (as I remember seeing elsewhere that 850 AND 1900mhz 3G is supported, but Rogers may be turning off 3G on 1900mhz to save bandwidth for voice data). Check the post here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=642523&postcount=11
Looks like I might just wait (even longer) and get the X1a to guarantee that it will access the Rogers 3G network on 850mhz (if they do end up using that frequency exclusively).
damnit!
Hi there,
Here's a few links that may help:
http://store.nokia.ca/support.php?page=faq (Search page for Rogers)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=652905
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ca.shtml
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
EGMine said:
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
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Good point about the Extended Network charge, I will have to call Fido and ask them if I would be able to connect to 3G/HSDPA on the 850mhz band. The thing is, when I was talking with the Fido CSR today, he claimed that Fido no longer really even has towers, and that ALL traffic is over the Rogers network.
I would love to figure out which band I am on, however I have an HTC Universal with NO 3G capabilities, so all I would see is the GSM network (would still be nice, altho I'm not even sure if the Uni i have supports the 850mhz band...I'm currently on 1900mhz). Does anyone know how to verify information like this under WinMo?
I know the GSM voice frequencies of Rogers/Fido, however it was rumoured that 3G was going to be disabled on the 1900mhz band, because 850mhz was stronger, and they needed to free up voice bandwidth.
Anyways, if there is a way to do a field test in WinMo, it would be good to know so I can see more details of what I'm connected to. I'll start hunting and post a link if I come across it first tho.
This is probably a mute point but i'm sure it's safe to say that Rogers doesn't operate 3G on either 900 or 2100. I've got a touch pro and it doesn't work on 3G at all. My Kaiser did altho I only got about 3Mbps speeds which's why i went for the TP. Shoulda stuck with the Kaiser heh.
My X1i doesn't seem to be connecting to Rogers under 3G (only EDGE)....
But why is this setting here then? I want X1a ROM's please! hehe
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I get 3G in some places and Edge in smaller cities with Rogers
rogers does also have SOME 1700Mhz t-mobile version of 3g setup in Vancouver because of the olympics, now it certainly doesnt compare to the 3.5G that i get with a rogers device, but its better then nothing.
my x1iii works rogers 3G
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
jdx1 said:
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
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JDX, are you positive that it's on 3G/HSDPA? I also have an X1i (since November 2008) and I have yet to get on 3G with it...good God I hope this is true...
Also, are you in the downtown core, or out in the suburbs?
jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
Matt1408 said:
jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
I work at St Clair and Yonge, before 2 weeks ago, i have been getting GPRS (not even edge) with my Atom life (1900/2100). The only place that I have ever seen 3G is right outside the urban behavior store in erin mills, for some reason i get 3G there.
Since 2 weeks ago, i have been getting constant 3G icon when my phone is on my working deskop.
As i walk down the street, i get H icon and when i try to sync with MyPhone, it is blazing fast.. compared to what i have before.
I have to commment tho, in some places it goes on and off, and sometimes the reception for voice isnt that great as compared to before.
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
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I'm in the vancouver downtown area, and noticed that my x1i is now connecting 3g / H as well!
I hope it's not just temporary.. .did a couple speed tests, and it ranges from 200kb - 600kb.
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I was on the bus today in the morning coming down 16th, and my X1i constantly changed from E to 3g and H between Oak and Cambie, West 16th.
Thanx, guys for all the replies, u r all SO lucky lol!
****, if only this miracle can come to Calgary soon enough...
Update: 3 weeks later:
and it DID haha, I abandoned Fido, and so now get 3g+ with Telus's new HSPA network....
I posted on HowardForums about this:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=13131032
according to toolcube, rogers is indeed building out more capacity on the 1900 band.
Well, I'm pretty sure that fido is only using the 1900 network, as stated on their website.
Frequency
The rate at which a waveform or signal alternates. This rate is usually measured in hertz, a unit meaning cycles per second. Voice and data transmission is expressed in millions of hertz, called megahertz (MHz). 1900, 1800, 900 and 850 MHz are the main frequency bands. Fido uses the 1900 band.
http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/Glossary
and says that they run 3g as well (what it appears anyways)
3G
A third generation of wireless developments, it uses a mobile wireless technology called HSPA. HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) is the latest evolution of GSM—the dominant world-wide standard for mobile wireless communications. It allows you to enjoy the kind of high-speed Internet and multimedia experience previously only possible on a PC, and gives you first-hand access to high-speed mobile Internet, Video Calling, streaming video, radio on demand, your favourite TV programs, music and mobile communities all on your Fido.
Looked into this yesterday since Rogers is the only carrier selling the HTC Hero which also works on AT&T.
Rogers and AT&T use the same 3G frequencies, so all handsets work on each others networks: 850/1900 for UMTS.
The rest of the world seems to be 900/2100.
And T-Mobile USA is 1700?
I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...
Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...
However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...
Here it is:
*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8
That means UMTS 900/1900/2100!
Damn!
Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...
Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...
Any thoughts?
update
Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...
Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.
Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.
In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.
Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for...
Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...
So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?
That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!
THANKS!
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?
Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware
Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK
Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G
UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...
WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...
"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."
This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.
However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.
So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...
This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
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Artesea,
Thanks for posting that..
As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..
So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...
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There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
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Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.
The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900
I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3
IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
SCtud said:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
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Because the lawsuit is only in NA
I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..
1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.
850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.
The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.
Would these help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812
Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
Lokosis said:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.
hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.
b-e-a-s-t said:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.
I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G
Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Doesnt work
b-e-a-s-t said:
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Sadly, no 3G for me.
You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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McHale said:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.
Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.
So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...
On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?
It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.
I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.
G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.
Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.
From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?
I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.
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From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.
Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.
If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.
I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?
If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.
as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.
i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails
I haven't seen any specs for North American Galaxy Tab so I don't know if the AT&T version will have UMTS 850. I have ordered a Euro version that has UMTS 1900 so I presume it "should" work on AT&T 3G but I'm worried because what I can find on this subject implies UMTS 850 is essential for AT&T 3G. Can anyone with experience in US tell me how well the UMTS 1900 only works? Thanks.
Yes
To be more specific, it will if your city still has the 1900 mhz band. Check here: http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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To be more specific, it will if your city still has the 1900 mhz band. Check here: http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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Thanks for the quick response and the maps (first time I've seen coverage maps by frequency, since AT&T no longer offers them) Very helpful and I feel better about haven ordered the Euro version.
Are there any owners of cellphones using the Euro 900/1900 UMTS frequencies on US 3G networks who can share their experience?
I live in the SF Bay Area and here the network is mainly 1900Mhz so the device works very well.
If you live in a market that got 3g fairly early, your network in probably 1900Mhz.
If you live in a market that only recently (1-2 years) got 3G, you might be on a 850Mhz network.