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Better Video Capture

Does anyone know how to enhance the video capture for the Shadow (Juno)? My last phone was the Samsung T 809 which had a 1.3 megapixel camera and could capture crystal clear video at 30 fps at 320x240 and another higher setting. It was one of the first slider phones if not THE first. The Shadow (Juno) has a 2 megapixel camera but for some reason is restricted to a low resolution for video capture. I'm sure it has the potential to capture video as good if not better then the Samsung T 809 if someone only knew how to by pass the restricted resolution. Any ideas?

the shadow has a poor quality 2.0 MP camera.
even 2.0 MP pictures look like crap

shadowmike said:
the shadow has a poor quality 2.0 MP camera.
even 2.0 MP pictures look like crap
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yes 2.0 mp does look like crap with the shadow...
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i got a camera related question, just wondering why portrait mode doesn't work on 6.1? im really hating landscape mode

Picture Quality disappointing

I took a picture and the picture looked good until I zoomed in. Despite taking a "superfine" picture on the maximum available resolution, zooming in resulted in an extremely grainy photograph. Pictures taken on my HTC Raphael running Windows Mobile look far better.
I am still happy with the phone and I am sure the picture quality will be fine for what little I use it for, but I really expected a much higher level of detail.

Have you considered the Galaxy S allows for larger zoom?

I moved the pictures from the Raph to my Galaxy S, so I am viewing them on the same platform.

jaredangus said:
I moved the pictures from the Raph to my Galaxy S, so I am viewing them on the same platform.
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But the picture you took on your ralph is how many megapixels?
Either way a photo when viewed on a monitor will be resized to 1080 max.your just Digital Zooming farther...megapixel doesn't mean quality..it just means your capturing more

3.2 Megapixels on the Raph. I'm going to mess around with settings and see if I can get a better picture, but I was really hoping for this phone to have everything working well out of the box without tweaking.

It's not disappointing because I wasn't expecting much. But the signal to noise ratio of the pics is low. You can see quite a bit of grain. I do like the color saturation.
Meh, it works as a phone cam.
So far with the GPS/Compass issues and the average quality cam, I'm not considering this a "superphone" or a premium Android device. It's just ok. And I'm ok with that.

jaredangus said:
3.2 Megapixels on the Raph. I'm going to mess around with settings and see if I can get a better picture, but I was really hoping for this phone to have everything working well out of the box without tweaking.
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it is working well....take your pc and resize the images to 1920x1080...
again megapixels does not give you quality..but allows you for farther zoom..if you zoom in more...I have a 6mp canon camera...when I zoom it it looks grainy as well..but when its printed or uploaded..it is rescaled to proper resolution..then it looks perfect...

More megapixels equals less quality on any small device.
Ps I thought that Vibrant didnt have gps issues, no ?

I noticed the same grainy quality and am slightly disappointed as well. But if you make sure you are in the best mode for your environment the quality improves appreciably. Still, the issue is not happy making.

kolyan said:
More megapixels equals less quality on any small device.
Ps I thought that Vibrant didnt have gps issues, no ?
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From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...

gTen said:
From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
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Wrong, the GPS issue is actually more pronounced in other apps, for example, My Tracks.
Firmware upgrade didn't fix anything.
GPS and compass both are ****ty.

jaredangus said:
I took a picture and the picture looked good until I zoomed in. Despite taking a "superfine" picture on the maximum available resolution, zooming in resulted in an extremely grainy photograph. Pictures taken on my HTC Raphael running Windows Mobile look far better.
I am still happy with the phone and I am sure the picture quality will be fine for what little I use it for, but I really expected a much higher level of detail.
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Apparently the gallery isn't zooming in on photos like it should. Instead of comparing on your phone in the gallery, transfer the photos to a PC and compare on the PC.
You'll notice the GalaxyS pictures come out just fine.

gTen said:
From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...
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Droid X might've nailed it. Dual Leds, panoramic shotting....

I moved over from a Nexus One...and I feel the same way...i love this phone, but the picture quality is not on par with the Nexus. I'm going it's a software issue and can be fixed.
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kolyan said:
Droid X might've nailed it. Dual Leds, panoramic shotting....
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They did a side by side of a Galaxy S and DroidX camera...the Galaxy S pretty much destroyed the DroidX..mostly in video recording...
http://thedroidguy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-captivate-vs-motorola-droid-x.html

gTen said:
They did a side by side of a Galaxy S and DroidX camera...the Galaxy S pretty much destroyed the DroidX..mostly in video recording...
http://thedroidguy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-captivate-vs-motorola-droid-x.html
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i dont really use Video feature on cellphones, but I do use Camera for shots when I dont have my S90 around.
I noticed on then vid that Galaxy was recording in 480p and Droid X in 720p.....whats up with that ?

kolyan said:
i dont really use Video feature on cellphones, but I do use Camera for shots when I dont have my S90 around.
I noticed on then vid that Galaxy was recording in 480p and Droid X in 720p.....whats up with that ?
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Yes I noticed that too..but for some reason the 480p version came out still better then the Droid 720p...its possible he accidently had it set to 480p or uploaded it as 480p
The G being an actual photo camera...
http://gadgetsdna.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/smartphone-comparisons_original1.jpg

gTen said:
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...
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I didn't mention the word megapixel. I was talking about the noticable graininess that exists when viewing pictures, taken with the vibrant, at 100% zoom.
reuthermonkey said:
Apparently the gallery isn't zooming in on photos like it should. Instead of comparing on your phone in the gallery, transfer the photos to a PC and compare on the PC.
You'll notice the GalaxyS pictures come out just fine.
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Hm, not really. I am not an expert, but to my eye the same level of noticeable graininess is present on the phone and on my computer.

bdjnk said:
I didn't mention the word megapixel. I was talking about the noticable graininess that exists when viewing pictures, taken with the vibrant, at 100% zoom.
Hm, not really. I am not an expert, but to my eye the same level of noticeable graininess is present on the phone and on my computer.
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What I am saying is this is generally normal on an unprocessed image with high megapixel count..resize both images to 1920x1080 (which is maximum screen resolution now) and you can see what the actual quality is...
Or are you expecting the phone to act like microscope?
to explain, if you do 100% zoom a 1mp would look better then a 3mp, a 3mp will look better then a 5mp..a 5mp would look better then a 20mp..its just how it is..

720p Recording on HD2 with Android

Well since Android is progressing well and they've started getting the camera working (I know this from HTC-Linux's Twitter) and since Android can actually play 720p as opposed to when Winmo is running it can't. And with the camera hack for the Nexus One that allowed it to record 720p I was just theorizing that there may be a possibility of recording 720p on HD2 while you're running Android? To me it would make sense but I know nothing of hardware specs vs software vs decoding speed vs screen resolution so I was curious as to what all other people reading this thread or Developers may have to say to this.

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Indeed it would be nice to have HD recording on HD2, but you'll still have to take into consideration the fact that it is still early and lots of other bugs need to be fixed before such "luxurious" details can be looked over by the devs.

Not to mention the fact that the sound on the video recorder on the hd2 is bloody awful to say the least. I used to have an n95 and that wiped the floor with the hd2. I would be more interested in better sound.

The HD2's photo quality is limited by the lens, not the operating system on the phone. The N95 features a Carl Zeiss lens which enables it to take great pictures. Resolution is highly overrated when it comes to photo quality.

polo735 said:
The HD2's photo quality is limited by the lens, not the operating system on the phone. The N95 features a Carl Zeiss lens which enables it to take great pictures. Resolution is highly overrated when it comes to photo quality.
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elgrego4 said:
Not to mention the fact that the sound on the video recorder on the hd2 is bloody awful to say the least. I used to have an n95 and that wiped the floor with the hd2. I would be more interested in better sound.
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im not with you in this
see (dont forget to put it at high quality 480p on youtube for best quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6Jx9gDR_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWlHUFnvKP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfpmqPJwcMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cba7yo5SwNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfpmqPJwcMM
one of the best videos i recorded
but i also want 720p

I know I may sound stupid and I'll accept peoples input if this does but I just think that if the Nexus One camera can get a hack to support 720p and the HD2 was relatively released in the same 3-4 month period (may seem long I know) it just makes me think that the HD2's camera should qualify for getting the same hack when running android and yes it does deal with winmo because HD2 can't run 720p videos normally through the Winmo OS but as demonstrated the Linux Kernel on HD2 was able to play a 720p HD video.

Just tried the new Desire V4 Build and it indeed has camera support so if any dev wants to look into it by all means.

polo735 said:
The HD2's photo quality is limited by the lens, not the operating system on the phone. The N95 features a Carl Zeiss lens which enables it to take great pictures. Resolution is highly overrated when it comes to photo quality.
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Nah, I would bet it's the sensor more than anything.

I'm not talking about the pic quality, its the sound quality. It is very distorted and tinny. I was at a concert with my gf who recorded the same song on her average sony phone. The difference in the quality was shocking.

I actually think the video and picture performance are quite good, then again I came from a touch HD which was terrible. There is no hardware reason why this phone cannot do, in fact the hardware can defo record / decode HD but how easy it will be to get this to work in Andriod is anyones guess.
I am actually planning to keep this phone a while as IMHO it is still the best looking phone out there, the droids are too clunky and the samsungs are about 3 years behind in design.
I'm hoping we can get a full working full installable ROM soon so I can ditch winmo altogether.
Then again I only have 11 months left on my HD2 so something else may catch my eye - I dont think it will be winmo7 though as it looks dull as fnck.

polo735 said:
The HD2's photo quality is limited by the lens, not the operating system on the phone. The N95 features a Carl Zeiss lens which enables it to take great pictures. Resolution is highly overrated when it comes to photo quality.
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yes the n95s lens was a zeiss, but that was just a name!
The lens was cheap thin glass, just like any other mobile phone lens ever made. There is a reason zeiss prime lenses go for £20k and upwards, I agree with you on that!
and your spot on about resolution being no way near as important as a good sized sensor, and good optics.
But one of the main reasons mobile phone video looks so crap, is the low resolution its always been recorded at! You look at some phones that can record 720 and it looks a damn sight better than the vga recordings, Mostly because It doesn't need to be stretched out and destroted like low res' video does

I definately haven't experienced problems with the mike for the HD2, I've recorded videos with my friends and they come out very well in reference to sound and there IS alot of sound in a concert so I wouldn't be surprised if audio you recorded at a concert would sound bad.

lonelykatana said:
yes the n95s lens was a zeiss, but that was just a name!
The lens was cheap thin glass, just like any other mobile phone lens ever made. There is a reason zeiss prime lenses go for £20k and upwards, I agree with you on that!
and your spot on about resolution being no way near as important as a good sized sensor, and good optics.
But one of the main reasons mobile phone video looks so crap, is the low resolution its always been recorded at! You look at some phones that can record 720 and it looks a damn sight better than the vga recordings, Mostly because It doesn't need to be stretched out and destroted like low res' video does
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I always did wonder why the HD2's video quality only went up to VGA even though it has a WVGA screen, 0.o.

skrizzyboy said:
I definately haven't experienced problems with the mike for the HD2, I've recorded videos with my friends and they come out very well in reference to sound and there IS alot of sound in a concert so I wouldn't be surprised if audio you recorded at a concert would sound bad.
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What im trying to point out is that lots of other (older, cheaper) phones record better sound. My missus used a w995 and It is much better sound.

granted sound probably isnt the HD2's stongpoint but the video performance is comparable with other models. Yes it could be better but it will only get better though enabling it in Android.

Any update on the 720p on htc hd2 ??? I would pay the person 100 us dollars if they get the 720p recording on htc hd2 with android !!

skrizzyboy said:
I always did wonder why the HD2's video quality only went up to VGA even though it has a WVGA screen, 0.o.
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lol! mine records in WVGA(800x480) and has the option to record 720p(1280x720) but when i try it camera shuts down.. so the best a can record is WVGA plus the frame rate seems to be a bit smoother than normal HD2 VGA recording

Dani01c said:
lol! mine records in WVGA(800x480) and has the option to record 720p(1280x720) but when i try it camera shuts down.. so the best a can record is WVGA plus the frame rate seems to be a bit smoother than normal HD2 VGA recording
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how does it have that option? and cant that just be a vid codec error?(which can be fixed)

Any news about 720p recording in android?Is a driver still in development? I would like to try wp7 only for the hd recording ability,seems good

5MP Camera on Android

So I was just wondering if there are any fixes to the camera on Android to make then 5MP. I know that the XTarantulla build has a 5MP Camera but I can't say the same for darkstones or dan's. Or at least I didn't get it. Also, I was wondering if there was a fix to make it 8MP like how we could go into the registry and edit it so that it was superfine and stuff. Just wondering. Didn't see anything about it here on the forums so I thought i'd bring it up.

numeria said:
So I was just wondering if there are any fixes to the camera on Android to make then 5MP. I know that the XTarantulla build has a 5MP Camera but I can't say the same for darkstones or dan's. Or at least I didn't get it. Also, I was wondering if there was a fix to make it 8MP like how we could go into the registry and edit it so that it was superfine and stuff. Just wondering. Didn't see anything about it here on the forums so I thought i'd bring it up.
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First off, they are working on it.
if you can successfully find and pull the camera drivers from the XT build and put it in another congrats.
as for the 8MP, that's just silly. the camera only is a 5MP, it can't be set to take pictures better than the hardware is capable of

cyanogen rom by shubi has 5mp camera. it has proper flash exposure (no full white pictures) and camcorder with flashlight.

memin1857 said:
cyanogen rom by shubi has 5mp camera. it has proper flash exposure (no full white pictures) and camcorder with flashlight.
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where to get this rom

memin1857 said:
cyanogen rom by shubi has 5mp camera. it has proper flash exposure (no full white pictures) and camcorder with flashlight.
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Do you know if the camcorder records in 720p? Thanks

cavemaneca said:
First off, they are working on it.
if you can successfully find and pull the camera drivers from the XT build and put it in another congrats.
as for the 8MP, that's just silly. the camera only is a 5MP, it can't be set to take pictures better than the hardware is capable of
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Maybe not up to true 8MP, but improvements can be done in software.
My old HTC Wizard's camera sensor is 1.3MP, with a scaled res. option for a pseudo 2MP mode.
Yes, it is not true 2MP, but an extra option over the standard 1.3MP.
This was done 4 years ago, why not now with our HD2?
Just my .02.

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where to get this rom
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You can get it form http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739755
second post.

Is there any hope that we might ever get 720p video capture?
Theoretically both the 5MP sensor and Snapdragon chipset are adequate, so is there any hope for HD capture?

Shawn_230 said:
Is there any hope that we might ever get 720p video capture?
Theoretically both the 5MP sensor and Snapdragon chipset are adequate, so is there any hope for HD capture?
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on robsbay.co.uk is stated that 720p video recording is already working, so that is great news

MarDor said:
on robsbay.co.uk is stated that 720p video recording is already working, so that is great news
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Woo, that's great!
I've been without an HD2 since mine broke a few months ago, been thinking of buying another HD2 to dual-boot WM and Android... if we can do HD capture I'm definitely buying one!

iandy1 said:
Maybe not up to true 8MP, but improvements can be done in software.
My old HTC Wizard's camera sensor is 1.3MP, with a scaled res. option for a pseudo 2MP mode.
Yes, it is not true 2MP, but an extra option over the standard 1.3MP.
This was done 4 years ago, why not now with our HD2?
Just my .02.
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This is nonsense ...you can make it 20mp if you want in photoshop but you will lose quality. Ex there are 5mp cameras that are taking better pictures than a 8mpx cameras, the result is important!

Shawn_230 said:
Woo, that's great!
I've been without an HD2 since mine broke a few months ago, been thinking of buying another HD2 to dual-boot WM and Android... if we can do HD capture I'm definitely buying one!
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Yeah, it's still a great device... I think I should have done the same

lucian777 said:
This is nonsense ...you can make it 20mp if you want in photoshop but you will lose quality. Ex there are 5mp cameras that are taking better pictures than a 8mpx cameras, the result is important!
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The 8mp superfine hack in wm rom development has already improved picture quality, as side by side comparisons have shown, it's not true 8mp but the difference was noticable. The camera is capable of slightly more than its spec.

lucian777 said:
This is nonsense ...you can make it 20mp if you want in photoshop but you will lose quality. Ex there are 5mp cameras that are taking better pictures than a 8mpx cameras, the result is important!
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As I said, not true resolution, but an option available on a device 4 years old.
Something like that can be done for the HD2 also as an option, being aware
of some quality loss.
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The 8mp superfine hack in wm rom development has already improved picture quality, as side by side comparisons have shown, it's not true 8mp but the difference was noticable. The camera is capable of slightly more than its spec.
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Thanks for the info.

LondonTownGuy said:
The 8mp superfine hack in wm rom development has already improved picture quality, as side by side comparisons have shown, it's not true 8mp but the difference was noticable. The camera is capable of slightly more than its spec.
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I thought all that did was reduce the compression, and the HD2 had huge issues with the camera in WinMo underperforming to start with, any of the improvements used in WinMo brought it to a standard your getting in Android already.
Phil

kerman19 said:
I thought all that did was reduce the compression, and the HD2 had huge issues with the camera in WinMo underperforming to start with, any of the improvements used in WinMo brought it to a standard your getting in Android already.
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Here is the thread with the tweeks to camera and video, dont know if it was just reducing compression, but there were inprovements when I tested.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=602234

This is an easier cyanogen rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740963
(the other one is quite complex)

Any Apps with a button capture that we can use to take advantage of the 720p camera option?

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Here is the thread with the tweeks to camera and video, dont know if it was just reducing compression, but there were inprovements when I tested.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=602234
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Oh man well that is for the win mo roms but I want to know if that's possible to tweak the androids camera to the regular 5mp out even to 8mp.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

LondonTownGuy said:
Here is the thread with the tweeks to camera and video, dont know if it was just reducing compression, but there were inprovements when I tested.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=602234
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From looking at photo's I've taken previously in WinMo (With those teaks) and Android, Android comes out the overall winner, those tweaks for WinMo simply give you what HTC should have given us out of the box in the first place.
Android does not seem to suffer at all in the camera department, at least not for me anyway.
Phil

[Q] Camera.apks

So I was just wondering why all the Android builds are using camera's that don't pics in widescreen format like the Winmo camera does. I like to take pics of the kids and stuff and I prefer the wide pics using WinMo but if Im using Android I don't want to have to switch.
If anyone has a widescreen camera.apk they can post it would be appreciated, thanks

Which android build are you using? I'm using the one on my sig and it works great in portrait and land scape mode.
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So does yours take pics in full screen or is it the 640x480 ratio? Can you post the camera.apk you are using? I just switched to Bangsters today

I also want one of those .apk's. My camera shows the images in widescreen when looking through the lens, but then are captured in a different ratio, annoying...

It's a minor annoyance but an aannoyance nonetheless

So anyone have any ideas?

in my understanding the camera in winmo is 4mp in widescreen and 5mp in regular?
just use camera 360, that has full features.

aarons6 said:
in my understanding the camera in winmo is 4mp in widescreen and 5mp in regular?
just use camera 360, that has full features.
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Yes you are correct and it's not necessarily the 5mp I am after but just the widescreen angle that Winmo shoots in 4mp. And those pics come out really well for me at least, I am just looking to duplicate that experience so I can take that quick shot without having to boot to Winmo

Vignette has full resolution camera. Love it.