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Just wondering? I'm playing with the thought of selling my Touch HD. Getting a bit tired of Windows Mobile. Anyone else?
But I'm asking myself, if I can live with the smaller screen and lower resolution?
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
cbailey said:
I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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HTC Sync is not the best.. well.. its crap.
I sync with Googlemail though, always have and then I have an app on my computer which syncs with Outlook and Googlemail, so don't need to plug the phone in, I have no issues!
CoPilot is a good piece of kit, IF you have bought it. The pirate versions have many many flaws in it, so I presume this is what you mean by that? Obviously TomTom has been around a bit longer so had many years to get its quirks out of its system, I remember it on Symbian and my old XDA II, it was pants then, but nice now.
Just moved from many years on WinMo to Android and I'll give it that, its different. There are some things it won't do as good as a WinMo device, but other things it will excel on. But lets face it, its different, its not WinMo, its not Apple, hence why I want it, something different.
Not everyone will want it, but I've had a Touch HD and moved to a TP2 (0.2" screen difference) then moved to this and its fine, screen size is spot on for me, no complaints at all.
I bought Copilot on Friday night and tested it on a purely vanilla Android config. Nothing else installed. It crashed each time I exited. It also did not have my second tested postcode in it. Thankfully the refund function on Android marketplace worked very well, otherwise that would have been another £25.99 wasted.
More serious was the crashing though. Just kept locking up when I exited the app.
I too run Outlook sync>googlemail on my PC. But, for contracts this is a convoluted process of exporting to a .csv > gmail. It's a kludge and not good. The calendar via gmail syncs well but not the contacts. Pretty basic stuff and should be resolved at first hit and capable locally.
Under Vista, HTC sync hardly works, it's pointless being there. All these issues are exactly why apple is sewing up the market. Their stuff is much more user friendly. I have never had an iphone and probably never will, but fundamental issues that affect the user experience such as the ability to sync are essential for the success of a phone. As I was used to Activesync in Winmob land and that worked seamlessly, why would anyone struggle with an equivalent that doesn't work?
Hero displays a great insight to the future of open phone OSs. It's really exciting to experience. When the flaws are resolved I will be back on board for sure
My main problem is the size of the on-screen keyboard. I've been using palm-held devices to write for years now, so the keys on the Hero are just too damned small. If an Android handset came out with a display the same size as the HD, I would be very tempted. If there's an application on the Market that lets you actually edit Word-type files...
trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did - but I still have the WM device but am not using. I am bored of WM for now. I will continue to use android as its a fresh and exciting to try something new and a great change, which ill get even better when I start customising the device more.
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
ive been using windows since the original SPV. I've pretty much had every device ever released from HTC. Just sold my HD and got the Hero - I dont think I will be going back to windows again - unless something spectacular happens in Windows 7!
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
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Yep, PPC as well as. I am pwoppa old school (just old really!)
I always had a soft spot for the SP5. I still have one of those and it gets use when I am on a night out, ie, more portable but still carrying the details I need.
Thats the way I feel winwiz, so do other people I know fortunate enough to have the G1.
I have been using a PDA since Apple's newton days and progressed to my first PocketPC in 2000 (Compaq) and on to my first WM device which was the SPV M600 (HTC Prophet) which is still in use now. The Trinity was next SPV M700 (also still in use) and then last year I got a Hong Kong version of the Diamond.
During my time with these devices the experience has nearly been the same thanks to the user interface. The Hero and android is a welcome change, although there are things I will miss with WM - I look forward to the further developments of the Android OS and the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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That is for sure. These are exciting times.
They need a direct sync for Outlook Contacts, call me crazy but I don't trust Google with my contact data and personally I don't like anyone else sharing my contact information with them or anyone else. Once you give them that data for free it's theirs, I'm not looking for complete anonymity but sharing my contact information is just a step away from giving them my checkbook, tax information and SSN. They have a really cool service and it's "free"... too bad people aren't taking account of what they are actually paying.
Rant /off
I am looking very seriously at getting a Hero though, I've had the Star Trek for quite a few years... (got it running WM6.1 now) and while cool. I'm looking forward to messing with Andriod and seeing what happens with the development of Andriod Apps/Utils in the community.
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I was using 4 HTC WM smartphones over the past years. i got bored after a month with my htc diamond so i sold it and buyed a nokia e71 (symbian). Used it till now. In a few days my HTC Hero will be delivered.
I am certain that Android and HTC fit together very good and its getting the only competitive platform beside the iphone os.
menov321 said:
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Ok, screen size is my main apprehension. If that works out, maybe I'm going to get a hero.
I have a Touch HD and have been considering a switch to Hero. The main thing that stops me is that I rely on a couple of Java apps that run under Winmo but wont run on Hero. For the rest, I think the trade offs are probably worth it.
Rip HD. Sort of.
Just got my Hero(HD's going to the wife) and like any other device out there at the moment(and probably forever, sadly) it is not perfect. Having said that, I don't think I'll miss my HD that much.
That's exactly what i've done. Sold my hd and now waiting for my hero to arrive - hopefully tomorrow. Then il report back to say If I think it was worth it.
I much prefer the look of android tho.
I'm in the same boat as you guys - thinking about trading my HD in for a Hero. As soon as I saw how good Android was, I had been desperately hoping someone would port Android to the HD, but that as it doesn't look like that will happen now, I think I might take the plunge for a Hero.
Of course, like all of you, my main concerns are with the screen, and also the on screen keyboard. I'm using FingeKeyboard 2.1 on WM and it's fantastic, I doubt HTCs keyboard on the Hero will come close.
That said, I'm bored of winmo, and I organise everything online through google anyway, so switching to Android seems to make sense. I also like the idea of an app store, and whilst MS is slowly working on that, I'd rather have something run by google instead of MS.
Guess I should take the plunge!
Hi !
My first htc was the cruise , then I went to Touch hd and Iphone 3g .Now I want to go back to htc but what I am reading on the forum is really scary
What happend ? is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
That is everything........and no uppdate ??? I am really embarrassed . I have been waithing such a long time for winmo phone that doesent have the limitation of the Iphone . Htc should be here talking to everyone that allready bought the phone but they don't
I am disappointed and dont want waithing another year , should I just go for it ? do you think uppdates will fix the issues ?
best regards / equalness
I think you don't need to worry about it.
No phone is perfect, it's interesting to solve all the problems of you, we can use soft or other methods
so don't hesitate now
equalness said:
Hi !
My first htc was the cruise , then I went to Touch hd and Iphone 3g .Now I want to go back to htc but what I am reading on the forum is really scary
What happend ? is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
That is everything........and no uppdate ??? I am really embarrassed . I have been waithing such a long time for winmo phone that doesent have the limitation of the Iphone . Htc should be here talking to everyone that allready bought the phone but they don't
I am disappointed and dont want waithing another year , should I just go for it ? do you think uppdates will fix the issues ?
best regards / equalness
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There's nothing wrong with the HD2, it's a perfectly capable phone and leagues above previous HTC offerings as it is those phones offered by other leading phone manufacturers. It's not 100% perfect, but xda-developers is your friend.
This phone is the perfectest there is out there Sure, it has some issues, but that makes it even more desirable in my eyes since I love tuning it. Problem is, when the only place you read about the HD2 is XDA you might get the wrong impression.
You want safe and boring, but still not perfect (some say far from it even), stay with the iphone.
Lol i know im re-iterating what these guys have said but
Seriously half the fun of this phone is making it perfect for you. I haven't even added any contacts yet and ive had it for 2 days Lol.
Hi. I'm also interested in getting the HTC HD2 for my upgrade. As I understand from following this forum, there are some bugs (the one that concerns me the most is the sms-not-sent bug). I haven't ordered it yet because I'm a bit worried. Do these bugs happen to every one? Or only unlucky ones? Will they be fixed in the future firmware update from HTC? Thanks.
p.s. this will be my first smart phone so I will be a noob at flashing ROMs (or whatever it's called)
Got mine - Love It - Hate the Bugs
Got my HD2 2 days ago from Vodafone - Unbranded and what a real nice
device it is.
Playing a video on this is sweet with the screen so large, Manged to watch
2 films on it while working on pc no problem.
Very upset over the bugs, I have the Camera Red Tint and today a few txts I sent didn't arrive for ages, txt was working perfectly fine so could be
something I installed.
If you love messing around changing things around in Windows Mobile go for it. If you just want a phone for calls and txting grab an Iphone.
You can spend hours just going through settings, installing apps and games on this thing.
Sending mine back to Vodafone though as the camera issue is bad, Will wait till all the bugs have been ironed out, 1 or 2 months, may even get a better deal then.
George
luffyp said:
Hi. I'm also interested in getting the HTC HD2 for my upgrade. As I understand from following this forum, there are some bugs (the one that concerns me the most is the sms-not-sent bug). I haven't ordered it yet because I'm a bit worried. Do these bugs happen to every one? Or only unlucky ones? Will they be fixed in the future firmware update from HTC? Thanks.
p.s. this will be my first smart phone so I will be a noob at flashing ROMs (or whatever it's called)
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I have had many HTC phones. I have the TP2 and also the HD2 right now. I have had the HD2 for a week and I will not go back to any other phone. This phone is great. I have not had any of the issue people have talked about, ie. calendar, pink camera or sms. There is also a ROM update already for the phone from HTC that people say fixed these bugs. My wife has an iPhone, I must say it is a nice phone and works great if all you want is a phone call and a text message. This phone blows the iPhone out of the water, the screen makes it so much easier to type with big fingers, and the processor is so much faster than iPhone. I say get it, you will be glad you did.
Well I just purchased an IPhone 3GS 32 GB here in Australia, just the other day as my HD had packed it in...., I'd been wondering exactly what was goin on with the HD2 as well as I was reading some scary posts, but since there was nothing available in Australia officially, so nothing with full warranty, I decided to go the Iphone path. A week with the Iphone and I've got to say there's alot of things that dissapoint me and and a few that impress me, having to sync with Itunes was something that **** me off straight away !!, it's limited in it's browsing of the internet, no true multi tasking !!, and the way that it's locked down by apple, and if you want to customize it you have to "jailbreak" it, which can void warranty if something goes pear shape, it's just limited in many more ways !!. However If you use WM 6.5 or evan 6.1, you have way more functionality and it's alot more like walking around with a PC in your pocket !!. Something I will say that Impresses me about the Iphone is the appstore !!, the myriad of content that's available is mind-boggling !, yeh, sure there's probably alot of it is ****, though there's still alot of great software there !!, and it's well organized to !!, If only WM, could offer something like that, and is it a fair critiscism that there is apparently no official graphics drivers available from Qualcomn, for the snapdragon ??, How are WM developers meant to develope for WM, when the processor maker can not supply relevant info to help them ....??
mahsu said:
I think you don't need to worry about it.
No phone is perfect, it's interesting to solve all the problems of you, we can use soft or other methods
so don't hesitate now
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I think that's quite a ridiculous answer when talking about a €500+ device (let that roll in your mind a bit longer, a €500+ device).
It has quite a few quirks and flaws that weren't nulled by the latest update, i've been using mine for 3 weeks now and i am really trying hard to get used to it, but the amount of crashes each day is quite disappointing. Luckily i got it for free by winning a contest, because i'd be mad as hell if i payed the full list price for it.
On the other hand, this device still has this enormous wow-factor. A shiny and speedy all-in communications center in a stunning form factor.
Thank you for the comments ! it really help.I will wait to see how the uppdate is doing ;-) ... and yes I like twiking but to make the phone nicer not to make the simple functions work as they should .The phone should at least behave as it says in the documentation dont you think so ?
Best regards / equalness
is it complicated for htc to deliver a phone that works without all this bugs ? camera , sms , mail , the sound ,the keyboard !!
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Camera - a minor problem that appears under certain scenarios and is easily amended, even without HTC's planned fix. Also THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SPANS MANY MODERN SMARTPHONES!!! iPhone, Samsung, HTC, etc. etc... most phone cameras are cheap.
Mail - I know of no problems
SMS - a problem that affected a small number of users - has since been patched.
Sound - no idea. There seem a small number of people who are unhappy for some reason. Most are very happy.
Keyboard - there seems to have been a VERY small number of faulty touch screens, for the most part though this 'problem' seems to be limited to people who heard that the iPhone had something called a 'capacitivitively screen' or something, so they wanted one. They then wet their pants when they realised the differences to a resistive screen and cried a bit. Most people are VERY happy with the screen.
If you find a forum for ANY phone without complaints both genuine and pointless whining, congratulations, you've found a heavily censored manufacturer-run forum.
If you find a phone with no bugs, especially at launch, congratulations, you must have found a very basic dumbphone - there's not a single bug-free smartphone out there.
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Camera - a minor problem that appears under certain scenarios and is easily amended, even without HTC's planned fix. Also THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SPANS MANY MODERN SMARTPHONES!!! iPhone, Samsung, HTC, etc. etc... most phone cameras are cheap.
Mail - I know of no problems
SMS - a problem that affected a small number of users - has since been patched.
Sound - no idea. There seem a small number of people who are unhappy for some reason. Most are very happy.
Keyboard - there seems to have been a VERY small number of faulty touch screens, for the most part though this 'problem' seems to be limited to people who heard that the iPhone had something called a 'capacitivitively screen' or something, so they wanted one. They then wet their pants when they realised the differences to a resistive screen and cried a bit. Most people are VERY happy with the screen.
If you find a forum for ANY phone without complaints both genuine and pointless whining, congratulations, you've found a heavily censored manufacturer-run forum.
If you find a phone with no bugs, especially at launch, congratulations, you must have found a very basic dumbphone - there's not a single bug-free smartphone out there.
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What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience. The camera I can live with, it is perfectly acceptable for a mobile phone in my opinion. The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER and the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
The screen? Yep, brilliant.
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What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience. The camera I can live with, it is perfectly acceptable for a mobile phone in my opinion. The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER and the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
The screen? Yep, brilliant.
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that yours was the only opinion that mattered. Just because you don't have the mental or physical ability to use a keyboard, it doesn't mean that nobody else does. It is fine for me. If it was "rubbish" that would not be the case. Therefore, it is not rubbish. If there is any "rubbish" involved, I'd try looking on the other side of the glass screen.
The camera you can live with? Well whoop-de-doo. I tell you what, when I care one damn bit what some random whiner can live with, I'll drop you an SMS. And that SMS will arrive instantly since *I* do not have any such problems. Nor do I have any problems with my sound.
Perhaps you should learn that a sample size of exactly one - you - in no way scales up to the entire population (thank god!). Following the incredible debating example you have set, perhaps I should now accuse you of being a Mac shareholder?
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What a laughable reply, do you work for HTC or own shares in the company? The keyboard is RUBBISH, pure and simple. It doesn't matter if you're coming from a multi-tap, QWERTY, resistive or even another capacative screen....typing on the HD2 is a truly dreadful experience.
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I've had my HD2 for 3 weeks now and I could not disagree more. The keyboard is GREAT, without any tweaks or aligning. As your comments, this is an opinion, not a fact.
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The volume, distortion and cracks/pops through the earpiece and speakerphone is a DISASTER
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Again, 3 weeks and not one single problem with any type of audio on my phone. This sounds like a problem with your phone.
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the text problem hasn't been fixed so far as I'm aware. There is no 'patch' which perfectly addresses the text problem.
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There is a patch that works 100%.
Sounds to me like you've got your knickers in a twist. If you're unhappy, send the phone back. It sounds like it's knackered anyway.
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There is also a ROM update already for the phone from HTC that people say fixed these bugs.
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where is this update ?? cannot see it anywhere
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I've had my HD2 for 3 weeks now and I could not disagree more. The keyboard is GREAT, without any tweaks or aligning. As your comments, this is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, 3 weeks and not one single problem with any type of audio on my phone. This sounds like a problem with your phone.
There is a patch that works 100%.
Sounds to me like you've got your knickers in a twist. If you're unhappy, send the phone back. It sounds like it's knackered anyway.
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Well how come the SMS problem thread is one of the biggest and still on the front page if there is a patch for it? Anyway, that aside, I'd pay good money to see ANYONE enter large chunks of text on the HD2 at any kind of decent speed using the on-screen keyboard....without making more errors than on any phone and any keyboard EVER made. Either you have the world's tiniest fingers, you don't text or email a lot, you will defend shoddy products to the death for some bizarre reason or you're on the HTC payroll. I've not met anyone in the flesh who can get along with the HD2 keyboard. Not one person. The only few who can seem to reside on this forum.
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Well how come the SMS problem thread is one of the biggest and still on the front page if there is a patch for it? Anyway, that aside, I'd pay good money to see ANYONE enter large chunks of text on the HD2 at any kind of decent speed using the on-screen keyboard....without making more errors than on any phone and any keyboard EVER made. Either you have the world's tiniest fingers, you don't text or email a lot, you will defend shoddy products to the death for some bizarre reason or you're on the HTC payroll. I've not met anyone in the flesh who can get along with the HD2 keyboard. Not one person. The only few who can seem to reside on this forum.
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You're acting like an idiot. I've given you unbiased and honest opinions and you've basically insulted me and called me a liar.
I don't normally do this. In fact, I've never done it, but you're the exception. I will never ever respond to anything you write again.
I wish you luck with your phone.
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that yours was the only opinion that mattered. Just because you don't have the mental or physical ability to use a keyboard, it doesn't mean that nobody else does. It is fine for me. If it was "rubbish" that would not be the case. Therefore, it is not rubbish. If there is any "rubbish" involved, I'd try looking on the other side of the glass screen.
The camera you can live with? Well whoop-de-doo. I tell you what, when I care one damn bit what some random whiner can live with, I'll drop you an SMS. And that SMS will arrive instantly since *I* do not have any such problems. Nor do I have any problems with my sound.
Perhaps you should learn that a sample size of exactly one - you - in no way scales up to the entire population (thank god!). Following the incredible debating example you have set, perhaps I should now accuse you of being a Mac shareholder?
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A lovely, juvenile reply there. Well done. *thumbs up*
I don't own any Apple products and never have. I also actually OWN the HD2 so I'm not some internet basher. I thought it sounded fab on paper and couldn't wait to get my hands on it. OK so perhaps the audio problems on my handset are a fault - although others have reported it too - but the keyboard is surely the same on ALL HD2s? Again, there are lots of people on this forum slating the keyboard. So those of you who claim to be able to type perfectly on it and are more than happy to live with a phone that is quite frankly bug-ridden to the point of being unusable by business professionals....just make me wonder, that's all. I imagine a group of tech-crazy teenagers who must have the latest thing, not people who rely on their phone to actually use as a workhorse. I need to be productive and the HD2 requires way too much additional work for me to be able to do that. I am quite happy to tinker and tweak apps and I do expect there to be bugs on a phone, just not MAJOR ones such as an unusable keyboard and deafening call volume.
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You're acting like an idiot. I've given you unbiased and honest opinions and you've basically insulted me and called me a liar.
I don't normally do this. In fact, I've never done it, but you're the exception. I will never ever respond to anything you write again.
I wish you luck with your phone.
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Toys...pram...thrown.
Why can you HD2 fanboys not just accept that some people have issues with the phone? Unless everyone agrees the phone is 100% perfect you have a hissy fit.
This is TMOUSA (sorry for not being more clear)
I want to say, I love the HTC HD2 (when it worked) When I bought, at 10am EST on release day, I was in awe! The beautiful screen, all the great apps preloaded on it. I was in heaven.
But................
Here I am 2 weeks later, I'm on my 2nd HD2 (the 1st one wouldn't hold a data connection, so the tech told me to return it) and this one seems more buggy than the 1st one I had.
I want to say I know absolutely ZERO about flashing and ROMs, but I really shouldn't have to for the machine to simply work out of the box.
I again say with a heavy heart I am on my way to the Tmobile store to return it. I love the phone, just wish it would have worked properly out of the box.
Going back to my HTC TP2....maybe one day I will try the HD2 again after all the bugs are worked out.
this is not the kind of post i wanted to read about this phone. has anyone else had this kind of trouble with this handset?
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I want to say, I love the HTC HD2 (when it worked) When I bought, at 10am EST on release day, I was in awe! The beautiful screen, all the great apps preloaded on it. I was in heaven.
But................
Here I am 2 weeks later, I'm on my 2nd HD2 (the 1st one wouldn't hold a data connection, so the tech told me to return it) and this one seems more buggy than the 1st one I had.
I want to say I know absolutely ZERO about flashing and ROMs, but I really shouldn't have to for the machine to simply work out of the box.
I again say with a heavy heart I am on my way to the Tmobile store to return it. I love the phone, just wish it would have worked properly out of the box.
Going back to my HTC TP2....maybe one day I will try the HD2 again after all the bugs are worked out.
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you say buggy....how? im using the stock rom/radio i got when i bought mine, works perfectly, its only my own stupidity that breaks it
quasi_mojo said:
you say buggy....how? im using the stock rom/radio i got when i bought mine, works perfectly, its only my own stupidity that breaks it
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because he has TmoUS...not TmoUK. The OP returned his phone because of crappy TmoUS network.
Sorry to hear that.
Windows Mobile has never been known as an OS that works perfectly out of the box. This is accentuated further by all the resource hogging crap t-mobile loads on the phone before it ends up in your hands. Flashing the ROM certainly helps things run smoother IMO.
I don't think flashing ROMS is too difficult....no harder than updating the official firmware on my iPhone....Its really just a matter of downloading a few files, syncing up your phone, and running a piece of software. Done.
Jailbreaking an iPhone.....now that is a tough job.
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because he has TmoUS...not TmoUK. The OP returned his phone because of crappy TmoUS network.
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ahh! ok,
I Have had mine a week and the device,especialy loading web pages is sooo slow. My orbit2 is much faster and user friendly. I am even considering switching back to it. So much for snapdragon.
Sorry to hear about the problems you are having...
...I on the other hand am loving my TmoUS HD2. I got mine 9:00am on release day as well and have had zero problems that were not easily fixed.
(The 2nd or 3rd day...I wcould not access the internet....although I did have data...wierd, but that was fixed simply by changing the APN)
My phone is crazy quick (stock ROM and radio / cookies home tab / and a few other simple mods) and I have yet to have a single crash (my rooted android phones...G1, MT3G, and my N1 crash all the flippin time...yet they bash winmo for this).
anyhow...again im sorry...just wish you would give it a bit more time (though I understand that you probably want to make it within the 14 day return period
Stock Rom user with no problems
I don't understand what the original post is complaining about?
I use the stock rom on the HD2 and I still haven't encountered a single problem...
If you don't understand how the phone functions then you will have problems because of your own mistakes... learn about the phone before you buy it...
Unlike the iPhone.. this is not a toy for kids to play with .. you have to know what the heck you are running on the phone and what applications are open .. anyways I don't want to make this a tutorial post...
All I can say is that know the phone before buying it...mine works perfectly fine with stock rom because I manage opened applications properly...
Sorry to hear. I've had mine since release day and loving every minute of it. I have had none of the major issues that people have complained about. Even so, I flashed my ROM to Kumar's Premium 1.5 and it runs even better on it.
The ONLY thing that I know was an issue for me was the HTC/Sense messaging app. If I happen to open that to read or write a message, my phone would start lagging and eventually, freeze up. But if I stayed out of it, the phone ran like a champ. So, I've simply disabled the HTC/Sense messaging and use the Windows text messaging app instead, and so far, so good.
I'm waiting for Kumar to come out with his Titanium ROM so I can try the device without HTC/Sense at all and maybe even try out the SPB Mobile Shell on it. This phone has a TON of potential, but alas, you do have to want to tinker with it to get it to sing the song you want it to sing.
This is one of the reasons I love the HD2 with WinMo. I'm not locked into how the manfacturer or carrier wants the phone to work or look like. There are great chefs here who have really good ideas on how to make a WinMo device run.
In any case, the phone is definitely not for everyone.
Yeah, I gotta say though even out of the box to a total winmo noob this stock rom is very solid. I haven't even bothered to flash yet, just did some registry tweaks that sped up sense a bit, really no problems crashing/freezing and that is with 9k contacts and many games added. A LOT probably comes down to tmo service if changing carriers to get the phone for some people. In my area, though, tmo is slightly better than att and cheaper.
Mine rocks!
I have had my HD2 for about a week now and everyday I LOVE IT MORE! Seriously I was coming from a Wing so I guess I had a little experience with winmo phones. I am using it straight out of the box with a few games added. A lot of music and a few movies. Only thing I have done to it was cookies home tab + editor and a reset app. Best phone I have ever seen thus far! Obviously there are things that you need to get used to...but for me its worth the effort!
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I don't understand what the original post is complaining about?
I use the stock rom on the HD2 and I still haven't encountered a single problem...
If you don't understand how the phone functions then you will have problems because of your own mistakes... learn about the phone before you buy it...
Unlike the iPhone.. this is not a toy for kids to play with .. you have to know what the heck you are running on the phone and what applications are open .. anyways I don't want to make this a tutorial post...
All I can say is that know the phone before buying it...mine works perfectly fine with stock rom because I manage opened applications properly...
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No offense bro, but dont talk to me like Im a child. This has nothing to do with me trying to "play games with a toy" (even though TMoUSA does market the thing as "entertainment on the go"). When the damn thing doesn't come out of sleep mode without pushing the button 30 times, there is a problem, when I have to slide to unlock back and forth, back and forth for long periods of time before it will unlock, there is a problem, when the HTC Sense refuses to load mins after restarting, there is a problem. I am very aware of of what is open and how to close them (on a mind numbing constant basis mind you). I don't see how you can arrogantly assume this is all in human error and not the machine's. Please explain to me how I am supposed to be "aware" of what I'm doing, when the damn thing barely turns on?
I came on here to express that I was upset that I was forced to return the phone, not to be talked to like I was an idiot...I apologize that we all cant be so high in your IQ group that we actually need something we pay a lot of money for to work properly (without having to worry about putting it in direct sunlight and feeding it after midnight)
I am ecstatic for you that you have not experienced any problems with your device, I wish I was that lucky. All I am saying, is that I wanted to love the phone...but... it simply wouldn't work (TWICE). I did not install any 3rd party apps, I did not alter anything in any way, I always killed the tasks almost immediately after finishing with them (the proper way with the task manager).
So is this my human error? Please tell me oh great one...since I obviously do not have your intellect.
I can't stand people like np231. I had to return mine also, the phone lags and going to MUSIC caused it to freeze, scrolling through the album arts is not as smooth as on the iPhone. This is supposedly the 'entaintainment' device that Tmo claims and it can't do the simple things right.
I returned mine also. I bought it on day 1 and used it for almost 2 weeks. The biggest factors for me were the lack of a physical keyboard, terrible battery life and the total abandonment of 6.5 by MS and developers. I also hated the capacitance screen. I went back to my TMO TP2. While at the store I used my upgrade and bought my daughter a Cliq XT.
The HD2 has a beautiful screen but the screen was not big enough for me to type with reasonable speed and accuracy compared to the TP2 keyboard. It was also very susceptible to pocket dialing. When HTC comes out with an android with a decent keyboard I will probably try that.
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I can't stand people like np231. I had to return mine also, the phone lags and going to MUSIC caused it to freeze, scrolling through the album arts is not as smooth as on the iPhone. This is supposedly the 'entaintainment' device that Tmo claims and it can't do the simple things right.
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guy did come out and sounded like an ......
sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your phone. i was considering one but i would like to us at&t. t-mobile is cheaper than the telstra and tempting to buy. i have a sony xperia x1a on a at&t prepaid and it works great and i think they have the best prepaid, data plan. i rarely ever get any calls and so this is my be solution for me.
Think twice about your decision.
I had a lot of the same problems you are experiencing. Thanks to the brains in these forums I have pimped the heck out of my HD2 and my release day excitement has returned. If you want to know how to flash the rom / hack the phone, drop me a line. I can give you the straight forward dumbed down version. I may even write a noob's FAQ that's a little less intimidating than the jumbly ones in here. It's really much easier than it seems. All the posts in these forums can tend to be a bit overwhelming. I am a former iPhone 3g user. I learned how to unlock and jailbreak my phone. That was a chore!! This is much easier. Its no different than owning a Windows PC. Out of the box there is a bunch of crap the company pre-installs on your computer. You just have to learn how to tweak a bit. Don't be intimidated by the brains in here. They are really quite helpful. Now, If we can just figure out how to get Adobe Flash 10 to work on our phones. That would be sweet.
-JZ
too bad you had such issues. the Hardware on this phone does make it the best on the market. while it's true that things should work perfectly out of the box, life isn't always as it should be.
it's understandable to be frustrated when you pay this amount of $$$ for a phone, but with some research & time you can completely customize this phone like none other.
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I returned mine also. I bought it on day 1 and used it for almost 2 weeks. The biggest factors for me were the lack of a physical keyboard, terrible battery life and the total abandonment of 6.5 by MS and developers. I also hated the capacitance screen. I went back to my TMO TP2. While at the store I used my upgrade and bought my daughter a Cliq XT.
The HD2 has a beautiful screen but the screen was not big enough for me to type with reasonable speed and accuracy compared to the TP2 keyboard. It was also very susceptible to pocket dialing. When HTC comes out with an android with a decent keyboard I will probably try that.
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that's exactly the only problem that I had with my bro's Tmobile HD2. The touch screen keyboard is even worst than the iPhone because of my small fingers and hands. Even worst, the battery is so small, and the OS needs to be developed more than what it is now.
All of this agreed aside from the capacitive screen.
P.S. I think the keyboard sucks not because the screen is small but because you don't have a good physical keyboard like the Touch Pro2.
I tride my friends iphone. The keyboard works just as good as his. It is different for the layout, so maybe that is why you dont like it.
And for those that blame WM for everything. It ain't because of that. If it was, I would have all the issues he has and I don't. Most of the problems I have is either something I didn't know about the new software, or something I added.
Battery life is on par with phones like this. Another friend ownes a Android One. Battery last about a day or so. My old Touch Pro lasted just as long.
Hey Guys... don't know if my topic on off-topic makes much sense... so I'll link it right here as I'd like to get answers from MS2-users:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=926288.
Would you advice me to buy a MS2?
I'd like to get a fast device, updateable to Android 2.3 when available (don't care about a few month...), hardware keyboard, 1Ghz, lots of memory, 3,5mm headphone-out
I'm (as I wrote on my topic) also interested in LG P990...but it has no hardware keyboard...and I don't know when it'll be available.
MS2 perhaps could be available tomorrow for me...
I'm not glad to read that MotoBlur sucks the battrie...guess it's not neccessary for me...
I just got the MS2, if I were in your position I'd be waiting another month or two and either getting the LG P990 or one of the other models currently prepping for release
MS2 is a nice solid phone, but I honestly doubt it will see 2.3, has a locked bootloader, is pumped full of useless MotorBlur apps and has no interest from ROM makers other than Angdroid.
After a lot of screwing around my phone is relatively motoblur free, but with the locked bootloader and Motorolas poor support in mind, I wish I had bought something else or waited
If only I had a time machine!
I have had my MS2 for over a month and it is a solid performer.
No need to worry about MotoBlur as it can be removed. I use Launcher Pro and froze blur with Titanium Backup, no problems.
It is fast and has loads of memory for apps.
As for 2.3 upgrade I have no idea when or if it will get it.
I've had my MS2 for a week now, and yes Motoblur is annoying, though I'm living with it for now. Also a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'. But apart from that it is fast and feels really sturdy.
If you're not in a rush, I'd hang on for while to see what other phones come out with hardware keyboards or if any ROMS surface as there's definitely room for improvement, but it's probably the best thing out now with a keyboard.
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I have had my MS2 for over a month and it is a solid performer.
No need to worry about MotoBlur as it can be removed. I use Launcher Pro and froze blur with Titanium Backup, no problems.
It is fast and has loads of memory for apps.
As for 2.3 upgrade I have no idea when or if it will get it.
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Sorry, out of topic, but how did you froze up blur with titanium? Show me the way =P
About MS2, just buy it if you really want the physical keyboard. It's a pretty heavy phone (not a problem to me, but others might not think that way) and blur is really a battery hog and poor designed homescreen, it lags for no apparent reason, but the good news is that any homescreen replacement fixes it. Pretty solid phone, but not to everybody.
since my Xperia X1's weight is 159g and Milestone2 is 169...weight doesn't matter for me
good to know that any today-screen-replacement will deactivate that MotoBlur.
I guess I'll buy one
If I'm waiting for another good phone...i could wait for years... That earlier I buy a new phone that earlier I'm able to buy a new one xD
At least it has to rest for two years...and in two years I'll get a new phone with physical keyboard, hdmi-out and quadcore with a better batterie
>>>So if I can't find out that it has legs like Xperia X1 (sometimes it doesn't do anything for about 4-10 seconds...) or lags playing music (xperia X1 has small legs of some milliseconds while using TCPMP...) I'll order it today
Since today it's out for sale on O2 Germany...but no dealer has it on storage
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...a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'...
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FYI - If you press and hold the £ sign, you get a popup with a bunch of currency symbols on it, one of which is actually a £ sign.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Steve
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I've had my MS2 for a week now, and yes Motoblur is annoying, though I'm living with it for now. Also a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'. But apart from that it is fast and feels really sturdy.
If you're not in a rush, I'd hang on for while to see what other phones come out with hardware keyboards or if any ROMS surface as there's definitely room for improvement, but it's probably the best thing out now with a keyboard.
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Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
You can use Launcher Pro and a dozen other launchers so Blur IS NOT obligatory AT ALL.
Guys...changing launcher does not deactivate BLUR. BLUR is a set of widgets and system services and it's not that easy to disable it. One of milestone 2 subforums has a nice topic about disabling BLUR for real; I cant remember exactly where it is but there are not so many posts around here so far, so it should be easy to find
edit: found it: it's in general section and you can't miss it.
Du you mean deactivating or completly removing MotoBlur?
Removing should effect in lost warranty....and deactivating should be reversable?!
If I'll get a MS2....I'd like to use a docking station later on....and as far as I know, MotoBlur is needed for that docking station display mode?
hmmmmm...after MotoBlur is a battery-killer and with the encrypted bootloader...I'm not sure if I should wait for another device which fits to Android 2.3 specification and has a physical keyboard...
After the Xperia X1 I wouldn't like to get another device which needs hands on it to run fluently!
good to know that any today-screen-replacement will deactivate that MotoBlur.
I guess I'll buy one
If I'm waiting for another good phone...i could wait for years... That earlier I buy a new phone that earlier I'm able to buy a new one xD
At least it has to rest for two years...and in two years I'll get a new phone with physical keyboard, hdmi-out and quadcore with a better batterie
>>>So if I can't find out that it has legs like Xperia X1 (sometimes it doesn't do anything for about 4-10 seconds...) or lags playing music (xperia X1 has small legs of some milliseconds while using TCPMP...) I'll order it today
Since today it's out for sale on O2 Germany...but no dealer has it on storage
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It has no lag when watching movies.
I came from Xperia X1 and was happy with Milestone 1 and now am happy with Milestone 2.
Home replacement does not really deactivate MotoBlur but even if it runs in the background you will see no performance degradation because of that.
Guys...changing launcher does not deactivate BLUR. BLUR is a set of widgets and system services and it's not that easy to disable it. One of milestone 2 subforums has a nice topic about disabling BLUR for real; I cant remember exactly where it is but there are not so many posts around here so far, so it should be easy to find
edit: found it: it's in general section and you can't miss it.
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You can simply use Titanium Backup's Freeze feature.
Du you mean deactivating or completly removing MotoBlur?
Removing should effect in lost warranty....and deactivating should be reversable?!
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You can do either, the easier way is to freeze it with TiB.
If I'll get a MS2....I'd like to use a docking station later on....and as far as I know, MotoBlur is needed for that docking station display mode?
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Who told you MotoBlur is needed for docking station? I have a docking station and am using a totally different app then the one built-in.
MotoBlur has NOTHING to do with docking station.
hmmmmm...after MotoBlur is a battery-killer and with the encrypted bootloader...I'm not sure if I should wait for another device which fits to Android 2.3 specification and has a physical keyboard...
After the Xperia X1 I wouldn't like to get another device which needs hands on it to run fluently!
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You will not be dissapointed with this phone. You can deactivate MotoBlur and never think about it again.
Here is the tutorial someone else mentioned here too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10800001&postcount=26
It tells you what services/ apps you can freeze/ delete. I delted some of them and froze others.
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Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
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Can you be more specific. My locale is set to "English (United Kingdom)" and it enters a $ instead of £, and tabs instead of € which is what the Droid 2 does.
Cheers,
Steve.
yesterday I've been testing a HTC HD2 Windows Mobile on-screen keyboard...since the sice is that tall and multitouch works fine I wouldn't need a physical keyboard I guess. Dows the software keyboard on Android work so good as well? So I could wait for LG P990 or Moto Atrix or Nexus S.
And it seems that I'm changing provider...as my O2 Germany contract is getting more expensive...those wired guys didn't tell me that my free-sms were only for two years...and now this contract seems to be more expensive than another provider...
If you are in Australia, and thinking of going with Optus for the Milestone 2, maybe call them to confirm.
I put in an order almost 3 weeks ago now for a Milestone 2 (re-contracting) and still haven't received the phone even though they have stock and it was apparently only going to take 3 days for delivery.
After half a dozen calls to Activations/Delivery Dept. @ Optus, still no phone...some "problem" with these phones at the warehouse in Sydney.
It's been escalated twice by team leaders to no avail.
So yeah, if you're going with Optus, maybe call them to confirm issue with the Milestone 2s before ordering or you may get stuck waiting in limbo too...
I learnt my lesson the last two times I tried ordering a phone from them, easier to cancel the order and go walk into a store. (Obviously you don't get the same 3 months free etc as you do ordering online).
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Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
You can use Launcher Pro and a dozen other launchers so Blur IS NOT obligatory AT ALL.
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The keyboard issue is a problem with the rom. There is a thread about it on android forums.com but I'm not aloud to post a link.
Hello.
In a few months (march) i gone get the new phone from the operator. I have a dillema what to choose - Orig. Moto Milestone or Defy which i would to sell and buy Milestone 2. But I would like to know about the future of this phone because at this moment there is no roms for this phone. How do You think, there will be some roms in a future or Moto has discouraged developers and users (known reasons...) at all? I'm asking because with stock FW with motoblur it is so laggy but i know it can more with this realy good hardware.
As I was going to by a MS2, i googled around...and found out that a lot of better devices, but without physical keybaord, will be released soon! Have a look at benchmark-results of LG Optimus 2X Speed or HTC Desire HD or HTC Glacier, Samsung Galaxs S2... if you don't need a physical keyboard, I'd wait till WMC is over and manufacturers provide some really good devices as far as MS2 is still out of date: encrypted bootloader and no android 2.3?! Sorry...no way. Especially since there are no patches for known issues...
I was going to buy a MS2 cause of it's physical keyboard...but since I've tried onscreen keaboard on WinMob6.5 HTC HD2 and HTC Desire with Android 2.1 I think I don't need physical keyboard any more!
Give it a shot and try out the 4" onscreen software keyboard - it's really good, u won't regret it!
That way u can get a big ammont of speed by buying a phone without MotoBlur and that crap...and especially without encrypted bootloader!
If u'd like to get newest Android updates....go for the Nexus S. It seems to be one of the devices with the fastest updates!
You are right.. dont buy it its just annoying to have a locked bootloader... buy the Optimus x2 its a awsome device with a big future and Dual core zomg!...
or even the Desire HD, i was about to get it ... but no i got the stupid MS2..
when I'd get a new device, I would choose between them.
HTC Thunderbolt 4G - DualCore 1,2Ghz??, stand on it's back, 1800 mAh battery!
Samsung Galaxy S2 - 16GB + SD, DualCore
Xperia Arc - Android 2.3, nice components....but as my actual phone is a Xperia X1 and there war bad support...I'm not going to buy a Sony-Ericsson next time!
Nexus S - fast updates, delivered with Android 2.3 or even 2.4?!
LG P990 - HDMI-out, DualCore, delivered with Android 2.2 and updateable to 2.3 soon
Motorola Atrix - big advantage: ability to get a laptop-dock. put the device in, use it like a netbook. The revolutionizer! xD
Hey everyone! Long time lurker and this is my first post
Here's the thing, I really like Samsung's stock keyboard's layout but it's lacking in one area; customized text shortcuts! For example when someone types "u" it would automatically be replaced with "you". I'm sure that I'm not the only one who'd really like that.
I noticed Google Keyboard, and a lot of other keyboards, support this feature but Samsung's doesn't. I have tried many keyboards to find one that seems polished and clean enough but I disliked all of them.
So, is there anyway one of the developers could make a mod that installs this feature into Samsung's keyboard? I'd be really grateful and a sizeable donation will be offered.
Thanks again in advance!
Really? No one?
Well thanks anyway.
Xupack said:
Hey everyone! Long time lurker and this is my first post
Here's the thing, I really like Samsung's stock keyboard's layout but it's lacking in one area; customized text shortcuts! For example when someone types "u" it would automatically be replaced with "you". I'm sure that I'm not the only one who'd really like that.
I noticed Google Keyboard, and a lot of other keyboards, support this feature but Samsung's doesn't. I have tried many keyboards to find one that seems polished and clean enough but I disliked all of them.
So, is there anyway one of the developers could make a mod that installs this feature into Samsung's keyboard? I'd be really grateful and a sizeable donation will be offered.
Thanks again in advance!
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Devs don't generally operate in the fashion you are requesting here. There are only a handful of ROMs for this device which are very modest, and not spread across all versions. The phone came out about 2 weeks ago, be patient, or use Google keyboard, like me.
Turn off autoreplacement..you will still get predictive text but you can either choose what it suggests...or not.
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