Well I've been showing my phone off tio my friends and most of them say they think the new mytouch is better than the vibrant and some guy thinks his ipod touch 2g is better because his pocket pond app has better graphics
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its all about personal preference.
vibrant has best gpu,samoled screen.
mt4g has flash, hspa+, and a ffc.
id personally stick with my vibrant. once its lag fixed and oc'd its a beast.
and that ipod 2g is not better than the vibrant lol that guy who said that has to be a noob, the reason pocket ponds looks so good on it,because its optimized for the hardware.
Yup! What's ffc
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blasian shadows said:
its all about personal preference.
vibrant has best gpu,samoled screen.
mt4g has flash, hspa+, and a ffc.
id personally stick with my vibrant. once its lag fixed and oc'd its a beast.
and that ipod 2g is not better than the vibrant lol that guy who said that has to be a noob, the reason pocket ponds looks so good on it,because its optimized for the hardware.
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1. Vibrant will have full flash once 2.2 hits.
2. Hspa+ is a backwards compatible service, so the vibrant will still benefit from it (up to the hardware limit which is like 7 mbps)
3. You can mod a ffc onto the vibrant if you really want it...but there really aren't too many practical uses for it right now anyway.
The vibrant is by far still a better device imo.
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1. Vibrant will have full flash once 2.2 hits.
2. Hspa+ is a backwards compatible service, so the vibrant will still benefit from it (up to the hardware limit which is like 7 mbps)
3. You can mod a ffc onto the vibrant if you really want it...but there really aren't too many practical uses for it right now anyway.
The vibrant is by far still a better device imo.
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I think he is talking LED flash
From the last Apple announcement:
Reporter: What about flash support?
Steve Jobs: Our phones love flash, that where we store things.
I do think Vibrant is a better choice, even though the Snapdragon 2nd Gen processor in HTC phones (G2 and MyTouch 4G) is a beast on its own, but if it weren't for somewhat childish looks of MTG4 and the fact that you cannot mod the damn thing (only temp root, and no RW access to NAND) makes it a bit of a downer.
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1. Vibrant will have full flash once 2.2 hits.
2. Hspa+ is a backwards compatible service, so the vibrant will still benefit from it (up to the hardware limit which is like 7 mbps)
3. You can mod a ffc onto the vibrant if you really want it...but there really aren't too many practical uses for it right now anyway.
The vibrant is by far still a better device imo.
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Will you have to get the official update to get flash? I'm running Eugene's froyo and my phone won't receive any updates at all for other reasons so if i can't get flash that would suck.
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1. Vibrant will have full flash once 2.2 hits.
2. Hspa+ is a backwards compatible service, so the vibrant will still benefit from it (up to the hardware limit which is like 7 mbps)
3. You can mod a ffc onto the vibrant if you really want it...but there really aren't too many practical uses for it right now anyway.
The vibrant is by far still a better device imo.
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my mistake i should have said led flash.
and yea once the banding issues are fixed i am buying a Ffc lol
From a majority consumer point of view, the MyTough3g is better.
FFC isn't a niche device, it's pretty mainstream considering you can now chat with people who use Yahoo Messenger from your Android phone if it has a FFC. Don't really care about Qik, but Yahoo is very much in use in the world. I suspect Windows Live Messenger will debut this feature quite soon with some Windows Phones coming out with FFCs.
The phone is snappier. Doesn't have the crappy RFS file system. The GUI looks good, and the Speech recognition works great. Doesn't feel like a paper plate in you hands, either (though I've added a cover to my vibrant to put some weight on it).
The Vibrant is a good device but the software (and I've heard FroYo doesn't really change much, outside of the fact that it's FroYo and yes I do need some of the features in FroYo so I welcome it) is terrible and some of the ommisions are just mind-boggling. No LED on front for notifications, for example. No Flash. GPS that still doesn't work correctly for half the people who have it. Slow as hell file system that makes the phone unusable from time to time. Less Application RAM than an HTC Aria. The GPU really doesn't matter because Android 2.1/2.2 still doesn't have a gfx accellerated GUI and Windows Mobile 6.5 has more games than Android (more games that you're bother installing, that is).
HTC also typically has an HTC Sync application for their phones, which makes managing them much easier than Galaxy S in the US (no Kies for us).
TBQH, I'm tired defending this phone. I wonder when others will get tired of it (prolly never on this forum, people still call the HD2 the greatest phone on earth here). This device is being completely overshadowered by other offerings and the only reason why it sold so well on AT&T/T-Mobile/Sprint is because:
1. T-Mobile didn't have anything else worth buying in the range of high end smartphones (HD2 not an option for most people with it's OS and problematic reputation)
2. AT&T Doesn't have much other high end smartphonts other than Palm Pres and the Torch that just came out with the Captivate (the Pre and Torch feel more mid-range compared to iOS/Android devices, and there was the Aria as well in that space).
3. Sprint had so many issues with Evo backorders/issues that customers had no issue but to get something else. They have no other good phones. Their Pres are 1st gen and no one wants a Touch Pro 2 or Hero, Lol...
How that there are other good phones coming out... I wouldn't expect much.
Not everyone is a power user. My mom doesn't cry about not being able to jailbreak her Blackberry and when she had a WinMo phone she didn't even install an app on it. She just used it as a phone/txt device (basically as a feature phone). The temp-root issue is only an issue for a very small minority of users - so it isn't even an issue at all in the grand scheme of things.
I looked at the new mytouch.
No thanks.
And I'm at a loss as to the above posters issues. This is my third android phone, and it us by far the fastest happiest android device I've used. My last phone, the Nexus one, although sexy, would need a reboot at least once a day to keep it snappy.
And I live the size if included internal memory is the Vibrant. No need for special hacks to get files on SD.
The Vibrant, for me, is a fantastic phone.
And yes, can't wait for the banding issue to be resolved for the FFC.
Oh, and it doesn't need a flash. It takes better pictures in low light conditions without one, than other phones that have a flash
Well, the one thing that is unmatched on the Galaxy S line is the amazing screen. Sorry, but I can't go back to LCD or plain AMOLED after this. After all, you use the screen more than any other feature on a smartphone.
As for the other things, it all depends on what's important to you. GPS works great for me now. FFC would be nice, but not necessary for me. As for flash? Meh, LED flash is barely adequate as a solution.
Personally, I picked the Vibrant because aside from the core smartphone functions, I wanted a phone that could also replace my old iPod. So for me, having 16gb of built-in memory was more important than even having a camera, much less a flash.
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My First Impression Of The MyTouch 4G:
The screen on the MyTouch 4G is much higher in resolution. You can barely see pixels. The MyTouch 4G produces real whites, the SuperAmoled produces green/blue whites. However the SAMOLED has a much better contrast ratio, meaning colors pop since blacks are much darker.
The 3.8 inch screen is too small for me
The Build Quality of the 4G seems to be good.
The GPU seemed slower than the Vibrants PowerVR.
The CPU is faster on the 4G.
Now here is the odd part. I must admit I've noticed the same thing with the G2.
Both the G2 and the Mytouch 4G are HSPA+, while the Vibrant is not. However, side by side, running speedtest app. The vibrant EVERY SINGLE TIME had both higher download and upload speeds. It just doesn't make sense. Side by side, the Vibrant got almost 6mbps download. MyTouch 4G best it could do was 3mbps. Same with the G2, I don't get it.
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I looked at the new mytouch.
No thanks.
And I'm at a loss as to the above posters issues. This is my third android phone, and it us by far the fastest happiest android device I've used. My last phone, the Nexus one, although sexy, would need a reboot at least once a day to keep it snappy.
And I live the size if included internal memory is the Vibrant. No need for special hacks to get files on SD.
The Vibrant, for me, is a fantastic phone.
And yes, can't wait for the banding issue to be resolved for the FFC.
Oh, and it doesn't need a flash. It takes better pictures in low light conditions without one, than other phones that have a flash
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Every phone has its fanbois. I just left T-Mo and played with an HD7.
Vinrant fells like an 8088 PC-XT compared to that. Only way to think this phone is snappy is to have only used worse phones.
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LOL yup so I'll wait another 2 years for a newer android phone with android 4.0 if its going there
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Me and my roomate both had our Vibrants in the store. We were astonished by the difference, just in scrolling form home screen to home screen. The Vibrants were obviously laggy doing something trivial. The Windows phone just blew through everything. The UI is beyond polished. The minimalist look definitely works well.
Microsoft definitely took the best route short of developing their own phones: Lock down the hardware and focus on doing what you do best - software ~ namely the OS and all the device drivers. Google should take note, or Android will suffer (although I'm sure it will be prevalent in the low-mid range device market, since Nokia isn't that big a player - at least in the US).
We played with the MyTouch 4G. The phone itself is ugly and I'm not a fan of screens < 4". It has some Sense elements in it which = update churn like 90% of other Android phones. The G2 performed decently but it has a whole host of problems. If you haven't experienced that ****ty hinge I implore you to go to a T-Mobile store and play with it. The minute the phone is perpendicular to the floor the phone starts closing (more like slamming) on you. That makes the phone unusable for me if I'm lying in bed and using it (as I often do before I go to bed). I guess something like an Epic 4G or Droid 2 wouldn't have that issue, though. That hinge was a terrible idea, Lol.
Oh, and did I mention the touchscreen keyboard on WP7 is /drools/ worthy.
I can't see myself getting any other Android Phone again.
If you get a phone with a UI on it that looks decent it is bound to come with hoards of issues and update churn. If you get a stock phone the built quality is pure crap and/or half the space is taken up to lock the phone down instead.
In any case, I heard FroYo for Galaxy S in the U.S. is supposed to be coming Nov. 11 on Facebook from "Samsung Galaxy S."
I heard Galaxy S performance is still below acceptable with FroYo, though... Some people are reporting regressions.
i just picked up the new mt4g. i have two phone lines (one for my work) and will probably keep both phones. i will need to use the mt4g for a couple of weeks go form a complete review/opinion on the phone v. the vibrant.
the mt4g is very solid and very snappy considering all the bloatware. with its HTC Espresso UI, the interface isn't for every body. Just like HTC sense it does a huge amount of social integration, moreso than the vibrant. And just like HTC sense you have pre-set "themes" you can load in terms of personal and business preferences.
it's screen is super crisp but no where near as "vibrant" as our vibrant phones. in terms of gaming, i haven't compared the two yet as i'm sure the mt4g can handle them well to a certain extent vs. the vibrant being that it's a second gen snapdragon. but i'm sure in terms of rendering and graphic display, it won't match the vibrant. i'll probably compare the gaming and video playback between the two later this week.
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In any case, I heard FroYo for Galaxy S in the U.S. is supposed to be coming Nov. 11 on Facebook from "Samsung Galaxy S."
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There's been no announcement or even real rumor of the sort, unfortunately.
The only thing that's confirmed is "by the end of the year".
If the mytouch had at least a 4" screen I would get it. That being said, I'm looking forward to the android version of the Dell Venue Pro
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My First Impression Of The MyTouch 4G:
The screen on the MyTouch 4G is much higher in resolution. You can barely see pixels. The MyTouch 4G produces real whites, the SuperAmoled produces green/blue whites. However the SAMOLED has a much better contrast ratio, meaning colors pop since blacks are much darker.
The 3.8 inch screen is too small for me
The Build Quality of the 4G seems to be good.
The GPU seemed slower than the Vibrants PowerVR.
The CPU is faster on the 4G.
Now here is the odd part. I must admit I've noticed the same thing with the G2.
Both the G2 and the Mytouch 4G are HSPA+, while the Vibrant is not. However, side by side, running speedtest app. The vibrant EVERY SINGLE TIME had both higher download and upload speeds. It just doesn't make sense. Side by side, the Vibrant got almost 6mbps download. MyTouch 4G best it could do was 3mbps. Same with the G2, I don't get it.
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vibrant and mt4g have the same resolution. 800x480
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There's been no announcement or even real rumor of the sort, unfortunately.
The only thing that's confirmed is "by the end of the year".
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You're wrong.
The source of my info is in the the sentence you quoted.
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I am thinking about switching teams to the Epic from the EVO. I love the development on the EVO, Cyanogen is just amazing. It's so lite and fast I love it.
The Epic calls because of features like S-AMOLED, physical keyboard!!!!, similar size, 45nm hummingbird and better battery life have me itching for this phone. The only think that would keep me in the EVO camp is that there is an uncertain path for development.
I have heard that in the past Samsung did not release open source drivers for their phones, but that in the case of the Galaxy S the drivers are out there(at least the international version)
What do people think? Will we see development for this phone? Cyanogen? What would you do?
I wouldn't mind the epic once it was able to be rooted and get that horrible launcher the heck off there.
I actually don't like physical keyboard...feels too much like a prepaid texter phone I guess =x just a matter of taste.
I'm absolutely satisfied with the EVO even if I do wish I could change several things about it. For me, I wouldn't change because I would have to pay full price, if I had an upgrade then maybe. I would possibly change to a phone that would get Android updates faster because as we know with the Hero/2.1 debacle, Sense UI makes things rough and even when the hero did get 2.1 ...it was a dumbed down version. I seriously hope our EVOs get better treatment.
Ultimately, I guess you have to maybe play with one and see how it feels to you.
One word...Samsung. Maybe Samsung will finally redeem themselves to me with this phone, but they have always given their phones poor support after release and in general been really crappy for hardcore enthusiasts. If this phone develops a large user development crowd, you will be safer. Either way your going to have monster hardware, what will the community and the support after the sale be like?
Have you tried swype? If not try it first and give it a few weeks to get used to it.
After using it I feel it makes physical keyboards obsolete.
Wasn't this topic beat to death like last week when someone was crying about leaving for an iphone?
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Slide-out hardware keyboards are crap in my experience. I will take Swype ANY DAY.
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who would ever want a physical keyboard again when we have Swype? no way you can type faster on a physical not to mention the extra bulk. with the evo's big screen there is no longer need for a physical keyboard - and this comes from someone who loved the tp2 keyboard.
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Wasn't this topic beat to death like last week when someone was crying about leaving for an iphone?
Wrong word choice and misspelling courtesy of swype.
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I was thinking the same thing. Just didn't want to say it and get the whole "don't be so mean" response
Sorry OP, but I wouldn't touch a phone with a physical keyboard anymore. No need when you have a freaking 4.3 inch screen
Get a second battery,u should get about 8 hours from each at the least. i get at least 10 hours. 1500mhz batteries just arent enough for a 4.3 inch android phone.blame htc for givin us this battery dont blame the phone plz. right now im on 7 hours and 40 minutes with 50% battery left
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Get a second battery,u should get about 8 hours from each at the least. i get at least 10 hours. 1500mhz batteries just arent enough for a 4.3 inch android phone.blame htc for givin us this battery dont blame the phone plz
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The Droid X apparently has much better battery life than the Evo, and it has a 4.3 display. Then again, that might be due to its 45nm processor vs the 65nm found on the Evo.
and ive been using a live wallpaper this whole time
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don't use your phone much as a phone eh?
The things I wouldn't want to give up on the Evo are:
The extra .3" of screen size -- it doesn't sound like much, but when you see the two side by side, the Evo screen isn't a little bigger, it's just flat out bigger.
I like Sense, and the home screen and app screen layouts are more my style.
The GPS on the Galaxy phones are reportedly poor. They lock on fewer satellites than the Evo does and are slow to do so.
I had a slider on the TP2, and I rarely used it. The keyboard on the 4.3" screen makes a physical keyboard only helpful in specific situations, and even RDP is fully functional and usable even without a physical keyboard. So I'd rather not have it and save on the bulk.
I also have zero interest in 3d gaming on the phone, so the 3d capabilities of the Hummingbird hold little interest for me. YMMV.
not today been sittin at home just texting mostly and some pandora and a homerun challenge orcourse and a few auto syncs
It really is up to you. Both are great phones. Personally I would go with the Evo. I wouldn't mind having the Samsung either though.
AFAIK all the Galaxy phones have been rooted no? Rooting the Epic shouldn't be much harder. Since the Evo has had such good development and a little experience with WiMax, should be easy to port over that development.
I am mulling over the same decision right now...
The big drawback for me is the display on the Epic... while it is true it is S-AMOLED and should provide more vibrant colors and such, the display itself is subject to burn in (not as much as AMOLED but still there) and the tech they use in the display makes it like half the effective resolution of what it really is... I can't remember the name of it right now... Its somewhere on the forums. I have seen a Galaxy S screen next to my Evo and its vibrant and bright but my Evo (Epson panel) is easier to see outdoors and text is much crisper on it.
Second, its a Samsung. I have never liked a single Samsung product I've tried from their TVs to their cell phones. While I would like to have a physical keyboard, the lack of support Samsung gives to their products sucks.
Third, yes the hummingbird and SGX540 absolutely spank everything else on the market right now... but dual-core snapdragons are coming and so is Tegra2. I would rather wait and see what happens than just jump from a phone that's working perfectly fine to another one with better specs... Only to kick myself in the balls come Christmas time.
Lastly, Sprint chopped the 16GB of storage to 2GB in their version which kills a main selling point for me. Internal storage tends to be much faster than a microSD card of ANY size.
The cyanogenmod will never be on the Galaxy S.
The Galaxy S will never be as snappy as the Evo.
And yes the hummingbird processor is much better than snapdragon and yes it does do graphics much better, but I'm running PSX4Droid right now FF7 maxed out what else more do you want from a phone lol...
Have fun supporting PS2 graphics...too bad nobody is developing anything and good luck when the phone comes out rooting / flashing custom roms.
But hey the phone is great you wouldn't be wrong getting it either but currently the evo looks better.
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The cyanogenmod will never be on the Galaxy S.
The Galaxy S will never be as snappy as the Evo.
And yes the hummingbird processor is much better than snapdragon and yes it does do graphics much better, but I'm running PSX4Droid right now FF7 maxed out what else more do you want from a phone lol...
Have fun supporting PS2 graphics...too bad nobody is developing anything and good luck when the phone comes out rooting / flashing custom roms.
But hey the phone is great you wouldn't be wrong getting it either but currently the evo looks better.
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When did Cyanogen say he won't release for the Galaxy S? Its a HUGE market base for Android since EVERY carrier will have a variant...
EDIT: Looking at the various Galaxy forums it looks like a community FroYo isn't going to be easy since the hardware info won't even boot in the emulator... Guess you're right.
But one more reason to get the Epic - it supports a crap ton of codecs out of the box and won't require most video files to be converted unlike the Evo.
Samsung is notorious for not supporting their devices after launch. Just look at Behold II users, Samsung promised 2.0/2.1 on video, then later pulled the video to remove any evidence of them saying that.
It's a great phone, just don't expect it to be supported down the road.
I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
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You'd probably get better answers about TouchWiz in another forum, but I can say that I'm not a fan from what I've seen. It would drive me nuts not being able to change the four shortcuts on my homescreen.
The HTC Evo is CyanogenMod supported which, in my opinion, is a very strong selling point.
The HTC Evo also has Froyo. The Galaxy S phones have yet to be updated. I'm pretty sure they'll be seeing an update soon, but you never can tell.
You'll probably never see a full Sense UI ROM on the Epic.
The main thing that I like about the Epic is the Hummingbird processor. I haven't really had an opportunity to play with a Galaxy S phone w/o a T-Mobile sales person breathing down my neck, so I can't really speak to how much better it makes the overall experience.
My opinion would be that if you think you can live without a hardware keyboard, to go with the EVO.
Sorry if that was a bit rambly... I just woke up.
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I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
Thanks
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Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
I keep hearing about all the pixels you can see on the epic. I like my Evo, I'd say if you want to game or need a hardware keyboard go epic otherwise the Evo is great. Most games are payable with the Evo just with a few slowdowns. Battery life is just slightly better on the epic, like 15 mins or something like that.
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i work for sprint, I dont think you can go wrong with either. heres what i think...
Epic
Pros: 4G, GORGEOUS screen, Hummingbird processor really flies when scrolling and rendering, Great KB, and DLNA (instead of HDMI)
Cons: Somewhat bulky even though very lightweight, even though screen is gorgeous, colors are over exaggerated, resulting in some pixelation. 5M/VGA cameras versus the Evo 8M/1.3M combo. Capacitive buttons at bottom VERY touchy and buggy
Evo
Pros: 4G, 4.3 inch screen, HUUUUUGE development community, Android Froyo 2.2 out the box, 8M/1.3M camera combo, KICKSTAND!!, 2 flashes on Camera, HTC Sense blows Touchwiz out of the water (even though I prefer LauncherPro), and lastly Evo comes with Youtube with HQ capabilities
Cons: HTC has capped the framerate of the Evo out of the box because of the HDMI controller. Compared to the Epics constant 60fps, it blows a stock Evo out the water when it comes to anything graphical. Scrolling, pinching and zooming, things like that. The 1GHz Snapdragon core is fast as hell when launching programs and multi tasking and performing operations, but it stinks compared to the Epic when it comes to 3D gaming. Now, with that being said, there are plenty of custom roms and kernels that lift the cap on the framerate on the Evo, letting it achieve about 55fps. Close to 60, but not yet.
Screen on Evo is a tad bigger, but looks sort of washed out against the Epic.
HTC Sense is great for the average user, but its Heavy, slow, and hogs up alot of resources.
Dont get me wrong, the are more pros and cons to both, but to ME, those are the big ones. Which one do I recommend?
I RECOMMEND GOING TO A STORE AND PLAYING WITH BOTH TO SEE WITH ONE YOU..ill say it again....YOU...like better
For me, I already own the Evo, and its an awesome device, the Epic isnt enough of an upgrade for me to ditch the Evo. Furthermore, Sprint employees cant buy the Evo or Epic yet anyways. I only got an Evo cuz I was our stores advocate.
I think if I were in a buyers position tho, and was an average user, or even a more than average user, I would definately pick sadly...the Epic.
Now, if your into hacking and overclocking and tinkering your phone, then the Evo is definately the phone for you. There is so much support for the Evo, its truly unbelievable.
At the end, I LOVE my Evo, hands down the best phone ive ever had. You may not think the same, and coming to an Evo forum is gonna get you some very biased answers on which one is better. Go to a store and try them out for yourself. They are both incredible devices
I don't care at all about games but I am really tired of the slowdowns I've come to expect with Windows Mobile.
For instance, sometimes waiting for a text message to appear or for the home screen to load (5-10 seconds) is "normal" for me. I want a snappy device, with a good end-user experience. Like the iphone.
And I wanna customize it, unlike an iphone.
Edit: Thanks for the recommendation, I'll go in today and play with them again....
This post says it all:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770471
id say go with the touch pro 2 again. haha just kidding, i hated owning the touch pro 2, so slow!!
I had a Touch Pro 2 for a month, it was so slow I couldn't even answer calls on it. Literally it would take 30 seconds to press the "answer call" button and by the the call would be disconnected. Also that conference call feature where you could easily add people to a call simply did not exist (i think it only works on the GSM verison)
I actually really, really like the Palm Pixi after seeing it in person. That thing is tiny [that's what she said] and quite underrated.
I kind of want to ditch my Evo for the Palm Pixi but would mainly miss the Google Maps Navigation. [edit I suppose it probably has Sprint Navigation]
I played with a friends epic, and I was not impressed.
touchwiz looks like kindergarten compared to sense.
it was lightweight and nice display, albeit smaller than evo.
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Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
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I agree with your review here I have 5 Evo's at work and own one myself and yesterday just activated 2 Epic's great phones screen is out of this world. That being said depends on if you want a mechanical keyboard or not. I could go either way bottom line is you can't lose with either phone they are both great. I can say for me the Evo is the best smart phone I have ever owned.
As others have said, the best way to choose is to play with both of them yourself. That being said, a friend of mine got the Epic the other day and I went over to show her how to use it and I like the EVO more. It may just be the fact that I'm more used to my phone or just simply personal preference, I don't know. The Epic is a nice phone, but IMHO, the EVO is better. Everyone is different though and you may feel another way. I'm just happy that after being with Sprint as long as I have (about 10yrs) and dealing with the fact that year after year all the top phones have gone to different carriers, Sprint finally decided to offer 2 very good choices.
I work at a Sprint store and a customer with an Epic came in with an image burned into the screen. I don't know how and I havn't read anything else on it but if I know Samsung then there will be at least one major issue.
The main reason to not get an Epic is the other name attached to it - Samsung. They are, historically, horrible with their smartphones. Slow to release updates, slow or never release updates to fix bugs big and small, marginal support for devices out on the market, and just a complete lack of customer service. As a former owner of an Instinct and a Moment, I cannot recommend buying anything with the Samsung name attached to it except their TVs and computer monitors.
I can, without any doubt in my mind, say that the Evo is the best phone I've ever owned thus far. By itself with no root and no modifications, it is a wonderful phone. Rooting it and putting whatever I want on it to expand its potential only made it a better phone. The guys over at SDX will have a heck of a time ripping out TouchWiz (yuck!) and making the Epic better than it is (it's already rooted, supposedly). I won't even be thinking about a phone upgrade again until at least November to see what's on the market or what's coming to the market (especially from HTC).
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...Term=hspa&WT.z_searchProduct=myTouch%99+-+New
There aren't very fine details out yet, such as what type of screen it is, how large the battery is, what type of processor (it is 1 ghz, though) etc. but it seems to be, more or less, a Vibrant with a front-facing camera and HSPA+.
The kicker, though, is this is (probably) going to be an HTC device, which runs circle around Samsung when it comes to high-end Android phones.
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http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...Term=hspa&WT.z_searchProduct=myTouch%99+-+New
There aren't very fine details out yet, such as what type of screen it is, how large the battery is, what type of processor (it is 1 ghz, though) etc. but it seems to be, more or less, a Vibrant with a front-facing camera and HSPA+.
The kicker, though, is this is (probably) going to be an HTC device, which runs circle around Samsung when it comes to high-end Android phones.
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How is it like a Vibrant with a FFC? It looks nothing like the Vibrant, It has buttons (Not fully touch) & It's ugly
Isnt the screen smaller than a Vibrant?
Looks decent enough and has the one thing I wish Vibrant did... hard buttons. That's the only thing I wish the vibrant had.
Well...i am getting front facing camera on my vibrant soon. Don't care about HSPA+. Who is gonna download torrents on mobile phones!?
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smaller screen, doesn't work on ATT 3G, no TV-out, only 8GB memory.
the only thing would be the HSPA+ b/c u can get FFC for vibrant:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770854
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Well...i am getting front facing camera on my vibrant soon. Don't care about HSPA+. Who is gonna download torrents on mobile phones!?
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HSPA+'s attraction is more less latency than higher speeds. Because, frankly speaking, once you pass the 5 Mbps mark, most website you visit won't load fast enough for you to even notice. The only exception is streaming videos in which case you are more likely to be capped by the server than your connection anyway.
What does less latency mean for end user? Real question, no pun.
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Not as sexy as the Vibrant.
The single detail that makes it better than the Vibrant? It's an HTC.
The MyTouchHD is an awesome phone. The screen isn't as big as the Vibrant but the build quality is a lot better. I've had the pleasure of using it and if any phone would make me switch its that one. Just wish it didn't come with Sense.
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The MyTouchHD is an awesome phone. The screen isn't as big as the Vibrant but the build quality is a lot better. I've had the pleasure of using it and if any phone would make me switch its that one. Just wish it didn't come with Sense.
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sense would probably be the reason to switch!
Sense PWNS....
i'd get the G2 over the mytouch HD.
not quite as 'vibrant' as the vibrant, bet it also doesnt vibrate as the vibrant
I believe the screen size is 3.8 in. Same width as the Vibrant, a couple of mm shorter. That's hardly anything to whine about. Ffc without having to completely hack my phone plus software support for video chat over 3G is definitely a plus. Native HSPA+ support. Shipped with froyo. My guess is that it will probably have a working GPS and compass. Swype preinstalled and Wifi calling too. This phone, although not as sexy looking as the Vibrant, looks very promising.
its official, and its just the MyTouch
mytouch.t-mobile.com
Hspa+ is real cool in its stats. But until it is widely available it's nearly worthless for most people. I figure by the time it's something that would actually affect me day to day itll be good timing to upgrade from my vibrant. My touch looks cool, ffc is a nice touch but it's also something I know I would rarely use.
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Cant wait for the mytouch to come out, how is it that the g2 doesn't have a ffc? && the mytouch is going to have a trackpad !! Which us always nicer to check spelling with
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Im contemplating selling my Vibrant. Even though this new MyTouch may lack some of the sexiness of the Samsung, HTC's customer service seems more on point. I rather my money go there. Wifi calling, Froyo, FFC, GPS that works (assuming) is more reason to drop the Samsung Vibrant.
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What does less latency mean for end user? Real question, no pun.
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Voip is much better when your latency is 60-80ms instead of 160-200ms.
Web pages begin loading much quicker (large pages still take a while to render, but small pages seem to come up instantly).
Google Maps tiles load quicker.
Little things that make the web feel faster are mostly latency-dependent. And typically, HSPA+ has lower latency than WiMax
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Im contemplating selling my Vibrant. Even though this new MyTouch may lack some of the sexiness of the Samsung, HTC's customer service seems more on point. I rather my money go there. Wifi calling, Froyo, FFC, GPS that works (assuming) is more reason to drop the Samsung Vibrant.
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Frustrated and fed up with Samsung's lack of support for the Vibrant, I contemplated switching to the G2, but wasn't impressed when I checked it out at a T-Mobile store over the weekend. Now that the MyTouch HD has been announced, my Vibrant will be going up for sale.
So wait, do you guys mean that the Vibrant can't benefit from Hspa+? You actually need a specific phone?
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Anyone ditching there n1 for the new mytouch 4g? Would it be worth it to ditch the n1?
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Anyone ditching there n1 for the new mytouch 4g? Would it be worth it to ditch the n1?
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I don't even have an Nexus One and I don't think that's a good idea. I've seen the specs and I'm not that impressed.
No. Its all about personal preference, and I personally love my N1.
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No. Its all about personal preference, and I personally love my N1.
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* 1Ghz Snapdragon MSM8255
* Android 2.2
* 5MP Camera
* Front Facing Camera
* 3.8” display
* 8GB microSD
* Comes in 4 different colors: Black, White, Plum and Red
It's good but I mean the N1 has all that besides maybe the front camera and a 3.7" display instead of 3.8" display. But like he said...it's all preference
Don't forget the newest Snapdragon and GPU and the 768MB memory and 4GB of ROM.
I love my N1, but this is pretty solid. Though I'm clinging on to my N1 until the Gingerbread update to see what it's all about. Then, as soon as the source code is released, I'll sell the N1 at an all time high on eBay to the desperate souls wanting a taste of Gingerbread.
Then hopefully use the money to help buy a MT4G outright and wait a few weeks for CM's Gingerbread since the source would have been released.
This is all contingent on the assumption that the MT4g doesn't have the rooting issues that is plaguing the G2, DHD, etc..
Edit: Also don't forget about the very fast HSPA+ (the reason we're even calling it the -4G)
Kind of ironic that the codename is glacier even though it's such a fast phone in almost every right lol
Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
Same performance; almost the exact same screen-size...
But then you get a crappy OS layer
Not as open
No custom ROMs yet
Slower OS updates
Hassle of switching
The ONLY reason I'd switch is to get a 4.3" screen or 3.7-4.2" screen with a higher resolution (a la the retina display), and of course faster processor/GPU.
It bothers me that every carrier in the US has a 4.0 or 4.3" (native-)Android phone except for T-Mobile. (HD2 is not native Android.)
Not worth it...do yourself a favor and keep the N1 for now (till the new year when a lot of new devices hit the market).
Thanks for all of your input...i really didt want to switch unless the phone blew my N1 out of the water...and im also on att and were i live tmobile kinda sux...thanks again...
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Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
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Really? I like my N1 but wouldn't mind having a better processor, better touch sensor, more responsive screen, better antenna, more RAM and a front facing camera.
I don't think people are doing their research, I love my N1 but I had this bad boy since January. The myTouch 4g is not the same with just a ffc and a 3.8" screen, It's BETTER!
I don't know I had my nexus since launch haven't seen anything yet to come close
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I think my next phone will be 4inch, new internals and google experience. Second cam would be fun, but I could live without.
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I'd wait. There's bound to be a more powerful Android phone released for the holidays. Maybe a stock 1.5GHz device. Try to wait until Dec. That's what I'm doing even though I'm ready to throw this G1 in front of a moving car.
I am thinking I will get the MT4G. My N1 has terrible reception at work while my coworkers with tmo have better signals. My screen locks up and I have to remove the battery at least once a day. I am out of space on my phone. I don't have many apps but I am out of space.
The phone will be rooted before long and there will be a custom ROM so I am not too worried about the custom interface.
I'm growing so bored of my N1. I want to want every new phone that comes out, but there's always ONE thing about a device that comes out that is just retarded and breaks the deal. Evo 4G; no GSM, SGS phones; bad GPS and no stock, G2; No permanent root or custom ROMS, same with the Desire HD and apparently this phone. It's getting pretty depressing.
I even wanted to go w the new WP7 phones, but the OS is useless to me with no voice or multitasking or C&P. Even though I think it looks great and has potential I'll have to wait til V2.0.
I really want a WebOS experience, but there is nothing compelling about the current hardware.
Long story short, this year is bull****. If you got a smartphone in 2010, just keep it because every phone is basically the same or you'd be giving one thing up for another. I suggest waiting til the new year after CES with better phones with better screens, gpu's and OS's and hardware. No compromises.
I've been thinking about this too. Really there is nothing about the phone making it much better than my N1. Wifi calling would be nice since my signal at home sucks but otherwise there isn't much more it offers over my N1.
Sure it has more internal memory but I've been using a2ext since my G1 so no issues with running out of memory or apps. Cell reception on my G1 was MUCH better and as annoying at it is when my N1 can't hold a signal nearly as well it's not a reason to jump ship to a comparable phone hardware wise and no guarantee of better signal strength.
I have the MIUI ROM which is quite simply blazing fast, no other ROM has even come close to speed.
Once a phone with a larger and better screen with more internal space and a much better processor comes out I will dump my N1.
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I've been thinking about this too. Really there is nothing about the phone making it much better than my N1. Wifi calling would be nice since my signal at home sucks but otherwise there isn't much more it offers over my N1.
Sure it has more internal memory but I've been using a2ext since my G1 so no issues with running out of memory or apps. Cell reception on my G1 was MUCH better and as annoying at it is when my N1 can't hold a signal nearly as well it's not a reason to jump ship to a comparable phone hardware wise and no guarantee of better signal strength.
I have the MIUI ROM which is quite simply blazing fast, no other ROM has even come close to speed.
Once a phone with a larger and better screen with more internal space and a much better processor comes out I will dump my N1.
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It IS a better processor than our Nexus Ones! Why does everyone assume that just because it's clocked the same, it's the same processor? This is a second generation Snapdragon on a 45nm architecture with an Adreno 205 GPU. The processor SMOKES ours.
That being said, I'm holding out till January... I want to see what, if anything, happens with the rumored new developer phone.
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Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
Same performance; almost the exact same screen-size...
But then you get a crappy OS layer
Not as open
No custom ROMs yet
Slower OS updates
Hassle of switching
The ONLY reason I'd switch is to get a 4.3" screen or 3.7-4.2" screen with a higher resolution (a la the retina display), and of course faster processor/GPU.
It bothers me that every carrier in the US has a 4.0 or 4.3" (native-)Android phone except for T-Mobile. (HD2 is not native Android.)
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I agree!!!
It seems to me that you have to pay extra to tether and use your phone as a wifi hotspot. With the n1, you can do it for free for now I am staying with my n1.
I had to pick one up. Im going to hang on to my n1. so far I think its awesome. at work I have absolutely no signal so the wifi calling is a plus. aswell as being able to video chat with yahoo messenger.
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i have the vibrant and its rooted and i use it as my daily internet tether, its fast and i donwload stuff,but i have been getting a feeling to trade it for a tmobile G2, should i guys, what do you guys think?
One, good luck, as the G2 is way more in demand than a Vibrant (from gleaning the Marketplace),
and Two;
I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out. Keyboard is nice though.
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i have the vibrant and its rooted and i use it as my daily internet tether, its fast and i donwload stuff,but i have been getting a feeling to trade it for a tmobile G2, should i guys, what do you guys think?
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If a heavier feel, smaller non SAMOLED screen, higher benchmark scores, physical keyboard (and possible not so reliable hinges that come with it) are the thing for you, go ahead.
At least CM is very proficient with HTC devices, so you will get one of the best customized ROM's for your device instantaneous given you don't brick it while perma-rooting it.
As far as I can see, real life performance these two are comparable, Sammy gets an icing on the cake thanks to awesome screen though.
EDIT: And as far as the hspa+ capabilities of the phone, if you get the service in the area you are in and you think it is worth it, then all I can say your 5GB/mo limit will deplete faster and you will be throttle to EDGE anyway.
My question is,4g will get better later in time right, because on my vibrant I always get good speeds of 7.9 mbps tops
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I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out.
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Same exact reason I returned MT4G and went back to Vibrant. Once you SAMOLED, you just can't go back .
@OP: If you are hitting 7 Mbps on your Vibrant, that means the connection in your area is very good (and probably with very little traffic congestion). Since you are maxing out on your Vibrant, I am going to go out on a limb and say 4G phones (G2/MT4G) will give you better than 7 Mbps. Not that you need it...
I have a tmobile even more plan so everything is unlimited, the limit doesn't affect me
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I have a tmobile even more plan so everything is unlimited, the limit doesn't affect me
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Check your account usage online, and get down to earth.
I just checked it, unlimited android web, usage 0%, downloads big files
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I got to test the G2 out because one of my mates have one and I will admit the G2 seems to be more responsive, but I missed the Vibrant screen and I think I am one of the few people who actually likes and enjoys the Touchwiz UI.
I stopped by the newest tmobile store last week and tried out the hd7, mytouch 4g and g2 along with my vibrant. The hd7 did impress me(though I hear negative long term reviews), the mytouch was responsive and I liked it, but the "mysense" UI seems a little cheesy. The g2 I tried out definitely was not lag free. Quicker than the stock vibrant, but there was noticeable lag going through menus and apps... more so than the mytouch.
If it weren't for the aesthetics and keyboard, I'd get the g2. I think it looks outdated, and have no need for a physical keyboard bulking up my phone. I am envious of the processor, but my modified vibrant runs how I'd hope any high end phone to run. Stock for stock - g2.
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Only you can answer this question. Personally, I would not take the screen downgrade. Ever. No way. I find the SAMOLED to be hands down the most attractive display on any mobile device right now. The only thing that even comes close is the IPS panel in the iPhone 4, but side by side the SAMOLED is faster and has a more accurate color gamut including true blacks.
If you're going to trade the Vibrant for anything, at least wait for Nexus S or Galaxy S2.
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My question is,4g will get better later in time right, because on my vibrant I always get good speeds of 7.9 mbps tops
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Lol your vibrant is getting 7.9mbps? When hsdpa max is only 7.2mbps? Wow you got a special phone you really should keep it
The Vibrant's got an awesome screen and is much lighter. But the G2 is noticeably faster. And I'm not talking about the internet speeds. There is no lag in anything it does. The Vibrant with all the lag fixes is still slower. It's ironic inspite of the supposedly better hardware. The reason I returned the G2 was because of the crap HTC and T-Mobile pulled with the non-permanent root.
But seeing the way the Froyo update is going on the Vibrant and Cynanogen's mod is progressing and the fact that a working permanent root is now possible with the G2, I think it's only a matter of time that I trade in my Vibrant for the G2. From now on, I'm going to stick with HTC. Samsung's simply not doing itself any favors by dragging its feet with new OS releases. I thought that it would be different with a world wide release of the Samsung Galaxy S, but I was wrong. By the time we get 2.2, 2.3 will be out. With HTC and Cynanogen's mods, I'd get upgraded much faster.
i say 7.9 mbps because i was downloading through tether and i use speedtest and it showed 7.9mbps tops. im not lying, but i might just keep it becasue of the screen and the lag free roms out there.thanks for your help guys
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One, good luck, as the G2 is way more in demand than a Vibrant (from gleaning the Marketplace),
and Two;
I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out. Keyboard is nice though.
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This is the same thing with me.
got the G2
and Missed My Vibrant
The Vibrant has a better quality Camera.
The Vibrant has a dedicated DSP(music sounds better)
The Vibrant has TV-Out.
The Vibrant Screen Glass is smoother and nicer.
The Vibrant as 4" screen(anything smaller feels tiny)
The Vibrant has a good speaker.
The G2 has a ****ty speaker(It's really tinny)
The G2 hinge felt cheap.
PSX4Droid runs slower on the G2.
Snesoid was more fun on the G2(The Keyboard)
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Vibrant 3G speeds in an HSPA+ market are impressive (especially for a 3G phone), but I don't even think it's possible to get speeds that high on a Vibrant...
the highest I consistently get with speedtest.net app is 6.5M
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i say 7.9 mbps because i was downloading through tether and i use speedtest and it showed 7.9mbps tops. im not lying, but i might just keep it becasue of the screen and the lag free roms out there.thanks for your help guys
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7.2 is the highest you'll download on the phone, or tether from a computer through the phone. This is what you sound like:
"I tethered my netbook to a computer with a dial-up modem (via Internet Connection Sharing) and was downloading files at 3mbps... It was awesome!"
Speedstests are widely known to be often inaccurate.
Even HSPA+ handsets are having trouble achieving those speeds on T-Mobile's network, as well as WiMAX handsets for Sprint (average speeds being ~5-6mbps).
That's part of the reason why HSPA+ isn't much of a selling point. The only real advantage of it is better ping (which may matter for some applications notably VoIP and Video Chat applications) and better upload speeds (ditto).
I have used both, and my friend and I have discussed, studied, compared my vibrant and his G2. The Facts are this
Screen: Vibrant has better color,bigger,etc. G2 has a great screen, but SAMOled wins
Proc: G2 wins this easily (wont go into specifics, but its far better then the vibrants)
GPU: I Theory vibrant wins, in use I peg them equal since I dont see lag with either.
Storage: Vibrant wins there of course XD but G2 can have 32gb sd card, which is more then enough
Data Speeds: G2 of course
All other areas are really the same, you can get really picky and point out the 2-channel ram bus on the vibrant, the OC ability of the G2, etc. But in the end of the day, they're both are absolute top of the line. If you like your vibrant, keep it, if you really want the G2 go for it, you wont be disappointed. The choice is all in what you want, nobody can tell you what you want......except maybe Steve Jobs....he seems good at that XD lol
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This is the same thing with me.
got the G2
and Missed My Vibrant
The Vibrant has a better quality Camera.
The Vibrant has a dedicated DSP(music sounds better)
The Vibrant has TV-Out.
The Vibrant Screen Glass is smoother and nicer.
The Vibrant as 4" screen(anything smaller feels tiny)
The Vibrant has a good speaker.
The G2 has a ****ty speaker(It's really tinny)
The G2 hinge felt cheap.
PSX4Droid runs slower on the G2.
Snesoid was more fun on the G2(The Keyboard)
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I just wanted to say one thing about this, since its your opinion and you welcome to it, but I do believe the G2 has a dedicated DSP also. The G2 from what I remember has a dedicated 5.1channel audio processor, which also is part what i believe to be the reason for its amazing noise canceling ability =) And the G2 speaker really is not that bad (My G1 has a terrible speaker XD) The size difference is also minimal in my opinion, 3.7 vs 4? that .3in, not much really. The G2 I have used has show itself to more then easily keep pace with the vibrant in many aspects, and they trade blows for different things. Its all down to preference and I prefer my vibrant =)