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ok...look...lets calm down

First I'm not a mediator mod or any of that, but people we are acting like children.
1. Why are u here?
The devs on this forum are taking personal time! We as community members are not ENTITLED to ROMS. They do this for the love of the platform, so respect that.
2. This is not the Sprint forum.
Again, this forum does not imply or state that EVERYTHING is going to work with whatever ROM u choose. So really, why ***** or hate? Really?
3. What can u add?
Nobody expects anyone to be the cdma hero "hero". Everyone should know they lane and stay in it. Report bugs or dev, its that simple
I don't have the highest post count and I may be out of line but I have been studying/learning here since it was questionable if there would be a sprint hero forum. Let's not **** it up by driving away the same folks that got us here. I know that from past comments this will probably get locked, but if we don't as a whole respect more what's going on we have a chance of loosing it.
Respect to all the devs on here and the work they do, for US!

+1,000,000 Agreed,it's sad when people can't even thank someone without it turning into as bunch of un-needed bull$#17.Just be positive people,some good things are happening,don't let these people ruin things.

I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.

Support that!

dude props for this! good going. And I agree with you 1000%

its no crime to show thanks and respect to some one for their hard work. if deving was easy we would all be doing it.

obelisk79 said:
I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.
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This is exactly why we should respect the devs... pretty soon all of them will be gone.

You beat me to it ... but I don't really care.
I think we just got too amped up with all the 2.1 excitement and started trying to outdo oneanother instead of working together. Once the official 2.1 comes out, I think we will see a lot more collaboration to make it as good as possible. In the mean time, always five credit where it is due, and don't worry about who did what first, because it only benefits everybody. That's why our great devs are here: to help create a better device, not to profit or hoard secrets. This is the first real open source project I have been a part of, and I get excited just thinking about what the future has in store for us. Let's make it a great one!

Can we just please stop with these types of threads.

The way I look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you COULD just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that *** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because I have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ***. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (Hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you HAVE to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a *** chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.

Don't make me say the f word and post an off color picture so this thread gets shut down
just playing mods. don't hurt me.

foxracr17 said:
the way i look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you could just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that **** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because i have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ****. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you have to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a ****ing chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.
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this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

Tipharet said:
Can we just please stop with these types of threads.
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No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...

Thank you. And I mean that. Because of XDA and it's amazing devs, I have gotten more out of this phone than I ever imagined. I have never had a phone that could do so much and people here were always willing to help me with a problem. And that is wonderful. I am glad that I joined this forum. In fact, I look forward to checking it every day. lol I don't know a lot about Linux, Java, or coding, but I do however know a lot about photography. I am a professional. So, if anyone needs help that way, I am completely for helping...I mean, all of you have helped me...I'd like to return the favor.
-Ken

flexgrip said:
No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...
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Actually that wasn't my point at all. My point is threads like this do nothing but divert attention to them, it perpetuates the negativity. New users come in these threads and see this and "ask what I missed" then it gets started over and over again.
As soon as these threads die (yes I realize I bump when I reply) the drama will also follow. Donate, dont donate, dev, dont dev ( not really) but just treat each other like some one you would walk by on the street or have a conversation with while standing in a line.

Asking for your cake and eating it 2.
I dont post alot here as well due to personal issues here on the form (so many smarty pants people on here)
But if i see a rom that i like (or app) i give the dev his props and thank him for putting in hard work when he or she could of been doing something else not trying please us and make our phones better then the stock ones.
Not saying the next person have to do the same. But if i wasted 5hrs of my time. and your running around showing off with my work i would like some props.
This dont even have nothng to do with roms or dev so im sure its going to get closed down soon. You people are just wasting your time making these threads people going to do what they going to do.

It's true that these type of threads may seem senseless and get hijacked to negativity... but in the past, my experience is that when moderators and dev's get fed up enough the forum/site would become closed and open to invitation only type membership, i.e., PRIVATE ACCESS!
That scenario is both good and bad... "Good" if you're in the loop, but potentially "Bad" because you just might end up on the outside looking in with your nose pressed against the window! So PROPS it is...
I have come to XDA for a long time, joined only so I could post, and only recently began to do so. But, that said, it has been indispensable for the provision of knowledge and fixes for handsets that the manufacturers and or carriers are unable to do themselves... so again - PROPS it is... no reason to drag it down.
+++++1,000 thanks to the awesome work being done!
There are those who truly can never be pleased, yet, I think that ration is extremely small. So again, for something I would gladly pay for, but am not required to do, I offer the easiest thing, a gesture of THANKS!

People ripping off the devs here

So its come to my attention after looking at craigslist for a new phone, that people are ripping off the devs hard work HERE and charging 30 dollars to put android on peoples HD2's heres a link to one of them.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mob/2123304749.html
I dont know about everyone here, but i think this forum is about sharing info an having fun with it, Not letting these hilljacks make money off what the hard working devs here have put their time an sweat into.. If anyone should be gettin the 30 dollars it should def be the devs here. I just wanted to bring this to everyones attention an feel free to reply to his post an let him know what you think Merry christmas everyone

It happens with everything, it is a natural fact of life, get over it.

happens ALL the time, this was going on back when I had my old HTC Trinity and people were selling Dev's Windows Mobile ROMS as their own on places like craigslist.
It's low, it's unfair, it's basically sh*tty, but there's very little we can do about it because so many people do it.
Legally, only Google can do something about it because they're selling a product that isn't theirs. Though then you get into the grey area that they're actually selling a SERVICE not the product...

ZedEx48K said:
It happens with everything, it is a natural fact of life, get over it.
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Im just sayin the devs should get the money here, not some hooker on CL thats all

Antimus said:
they're actually selling a SERVICE not the product...
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My understanding too...

See thats what i thought too, but looking at all the diff post from the same guy hes doing iphone jailbreaking an unlocking for 10 dollars, i dont see how puttin a folder on a SD card makes a 20 dollar price spike, but thats just me

Theres a lot of people out there who do not have the time or the brains to read through all the guides on how to get android on your HD2. It took me about 2 days and over 8 hours to figure out how to get android on my HD2.
I contemplated having someone do it for me, but realized, much like building my first PC, it's a better experience to learn it all myself.

I agree with Antimus - he's not ripping anyone off.
He's not claiming he made the software, and he's not selling the software.
He's got knowledge and experience that not everyone has, and is offering that as a service to people who want android on their phone, but without the bother of figuring it out themselves.
However, he's only able to do this due to other people's hard work, so it'd be fair of him to donate a bit of his proceeds to those who made it possible for him to offer the service in the first place.
Payments to Devs by people like this could never be enforced, so if you want to make sure the Devs benefit, offer your own service at $25, and give $3 to the devs each time you make a sale

On the surface this seems like a bit of a ripoff. But the simple fact is that many people do not want to tinker with their phones the way all us forum types do.
I can compare this service to a guy who came round to "fix" my Mum's computer (unfortunately she lives in a different country otherwise I would have done it!). He charged her £20 to do a defrag!!! BUt, as my Mum pointed out, her computer worked better afterwards and she would not have known what to do so she was happy.
Much as it seems like the hard work of our XDA devs is being used as a means for other people to make a bit of cash on the side, I don't think it is quite "ripping them off".

I tend to agree with the others, the example given is for the service and he's not claiming to be a dev or selling the software itself. The same argument could be applied with a lot of what goes on in this website. A lot of the devs use other peoples work to creat their own builds.
I agree he should at least credit those who put the build together but there is nothing in the advert saying he is not doing that anyway.
People tend to forget that you do need some technical knowledge to use this website, and that there are many people out there that would be willing to pay a "man-with-screwdriver) to just do all the technical stuff for them. Very enterprising.

I wanna see, how she will install android on a HD2
NAND isn't there thought.
Think she will get problems, if costumers restart the phone and see WM booting.

Knowledge is power! No one is ripping no one off. If Dev's didn't want there knowledge passed on they would not post it for public use. Unfortunately some people just don't have the brain capacity to mod there own smart phones. Its the same with computers...U can download win7 from practically anywhere for free online but people would pay some guy (geek) to install it on his pc for money. Or how bout Modding game consoles (xbox, ps3, dsi, psp) for money. Its NOT the product there selling, Its the service and knowledge...dam 30bucks, wonder how much he charges to upgrade kernel
Welcome to the free world of internet where knowing makes you MONEY!

If you search, there's one of these posts every month or so.... Read there, find the same conclusions as will be posted here.

Moved to Android General Discussion. As long as this discussion stays civil, I'll allow the thread to remain open. If it gets carried away, I'll be forced to close it.
That being said, this is a VERY common problem and yes these guys do tend to get away with it. I will agree though that getting Android up and running was one of the harder things I did when I first started. I was a seasoned ROM "cook" but couldn't for the life of me figure out why Android was so unstable or why it wouldn't boot. Now I'm pretty savvy with it and I can manipulate it to do just about whatever I want. A lot of people don't want to go through what I did and so if they have the money, a lot of them ARE willing to pay. I have a friend who is a truck driver who had a Sprint Touch(Vogue) and he paid me to update it every time he was in town(It was always a "Hey thanks Dan!", it was never asked of him to pay me). I'd put a new ROM on it, restore his contacts, set up his email, etc.. He was a happy guy.
There's a lot of people like this out there. Simply put, there's really no way of stopping people who offer these "services" so it's best left alone. People will take every chance they get to capitalize. It doesn't matter if it's their work or not.

nocturnalmike said:
See thats what i thought too, but looking at all the diff post from the same guy hes doing iphone jailbreaking an unlocking for 10 dollars, i dont see how puttin a folder on a SD card makes a 20 dollar price spike, but thats just me
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ya well if he or she is just putting the android folder on the sd card that is much but if someone that doesnt have a clue on to even turn on there phone that gives them a chance to have android but i am only guessing that its not just that but also a hardslp update rom change an android i mean this all sounds like clock work for us but were geeks to this stuff lol alot of other people are just know they want android an that they have a big screen black thingy phone that has some kind of card that sticks into it lol

I think the difference here is that some people are charging for a service. I'd hope these people give some of the money they make from putting Android on random people's phones to the developers here which have shown continued support for these handsets or done something that has helped them along the way. Or better still to a charity of a devs choice!
I think this can easily be confused with, for example, some f**kwit selling pirated DVDs in a car park. The idiot doing this is making money directly off someone elses back, as opposed to say someone who is sharing a movie for free via BitTorrent; where nobody loses out.
Or, for example, someone puts up an outdoor TV aerial for someone so they can get more Freeview TV channels. They didn't help in the production of the shows or the running of the channels but still, they're providing an indirect service and using their time.
I think because, unlike the BBC and ITV who will always keep Mr. TV installer in some kind of business, the devs here do it for nothing so it would be nice if someone DID make money off flashing a phone or installing Android, they'd give something back to the people who did the hard work for their own free persuit of knowledge and sharing!
The best way, though, is to educate people and get them interested in doing this stuff for themselves. So many people want things spoonfed to them (hence why the iPhone is so popular, and hey, this isn't such a bad thing as most people just want a phone that works and to get on with life, we're in the minority!)
I'd not dream of charging someone for this myself. I'd happily sort a friend out with Android for free or better yet tell them about XDA devs. Done it plenty of times already.

nocturnalmike said:
So its come to my attention after looking at craigslist for a new phone, that people are ripping off the devs hard work HERE and charging 30 dollars to put android on peoples HD2's heres a link to one of them.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mob/2123304749.html
I dont know about everyone here, but i think this forum is about sharing info an having fun with it, Not letting these hilljacks make money off what the hard working devs here have put their time an sweat into.. If anyone should be gettin the 30 dollars it should def be the devs here. I just wanted to bring this to everyones attention an feel free to reply to his post an let him know what you think Merry christmas everyone
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All the time this happens.
Check this:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...ds-aplicativos-jogos-android-frete-gratis-_JM (Google Translated PT->EN)
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...id-15-para-22-galaxy-i7500-suporte-online-_JM (Google Translated PT->EN)
Mercado Livre is a eBay-like website. Yesterday I denounced three offers to "update HD2 with Android"
In both cases, isn´t a simple service, but a copyrighted material, sutffs like iGO GPS Software and others..

Who cares if people are stupid ennough to not realize how easy it is to do then its their own fault... and its not ripping the devastating off for spending their time to do it for you.... its open just like manufactures charge us for the service to repair a phone with google android if it gets messed up... google doesn't get butthurt about them using their os while doing it and charging for it... its called charging for labor not the platform
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How exactly are they ripping off the devs? They are not stealing from them at all.
They are charging people money for their TIME to put android on their device. It doesn't matter if they just give people the link to this site. People are busy and not everyone is competent enough to take a risk bricking their own phone doing something they have never done before. And Im sure most people dont have the time to sit down and read through all this content to make sure what they are doing is right.
So stop overreacting to this.

OOOOOOOOOK. Time to end this.
Clearly there are different opinions and no single opinion is correct/incorrect in this case. I personally think that it sucks that someone other than the Dev is making money off of something they did for free and shared publicly but at the same time, kudos to the guy who is able to make $20-30 doing a 5 minute job that the guy paying could have done himself for free if he just invested a few hours reading first.
There's no right answer and so this discussion is really only going to end up turning into an argument.
Thread closed.

website selling mdj's cyanogen mod

So theres this website (you can find the name and or link in mdj's cyanogen mod forum) that is selling a service that you send them your hd2 and they will put the cyanogen mod on your phone.....I called and asked to speak with a supervisor cause I thought it was wrong....its like 99 dollars but when I called he claimed it was 79 dollars....anyway he said hes not doing anything wrong because its open source etc etc. I said your wrong for taking someone elses work and selling it, then he said "im not selling it im just selling a service to rich people to put the mod on there phone"....then we argued some more and he said hes bringing xda a bunch of buisness by selling this service yada yada yada...he also said he has been a member here at xda for years....then I replied oh really then tell me your handle and he refused and then I said you know this is gonna piss people off and he said no it wont blah blah blah and then he had to go, and hung up.....Im probably being overly protective over something thats not mine but I was sure the xda peeps would think it was wrong.....just wanted to vent this to every one.

That was discussed many times before. He does nothing wrong because he is not selling the Rom. He sells the service to install a Rom for people who aren't able to do this or don't want to invest much time in this.
sent from my HD2 running Android

nothing wrong with this. he could even charge for flashing stockroms. this guy doesnt sell roms, he sells his service

One way or another... Per XDA rules, he is not allowed to post links or advertise this "service" here on XDA.
Please link me to the post where this link is locate.

dharvey4651 said:
One way or another... Per XDA rules, he is not allowed to post links or advertise this "service" here on XDA.
Please link me to the post where this link is locate.
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he didnt post here, he said hes been a member here for years, so im sure he knew he would get booted ....I just came across the link where someone pointed out that they were selling the service to apply that rom to there phone....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777&page=216
anyway guess I should not read,, post,, drive ,,post.....guess i just wanted to see peoples opinions to discuss this...thats why I didnt post in the thread where I seen the link...and I posted in the discussion forums.....I am aware hes not doing anything legally wrong...just wanted to post this and discuss... good looking out though!

I understand what the OP is saying, and I feel the same way, however the atheist is correct. Wish it wasn't the case, but, hey what can you do?
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Sick of seeing these ignorant posts now.
These people are NOT selling roms, they are selling their "time" to provide a service of rom installation.
There are some people out there who can not or do not want to go through the steps of installing a rom and would rather pay somebody to do it correctly and safely for them.
This is EXACTLY the same as if you take your car to a mechanic and ask them to fit a new *insert part name here*.
This is also EXACTLY the same as if you had taken your xbox 360 console to a modder and asked them to flash a hacked firmware to your dvd drive. ( I can do this myself but if I couldnt I would want somebody else to do it for me)
This is EXACTLY the same as if you had a virus on your computer and you asked somebody in a repair shop to clean it for you.
( I can do this myself but if I couldnt I would want somebody else to do it for me)
....You get the idea?
Only thing wrong really is the price, too expensive (unless it includes postage).
The guy sounded polite imo. If you had called me (not that I do this service) I would have told you to get ******!
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just my 2 cents.
Maybe be 3 is applicable if and only if the technician is using his own skills and free, open source softs and not pirated ones.
Maybe for item 2 if you will still use games you bought legally.
And totally not applicable for 1. Why? You are the one who bought the part, unless it was stolen.
Yes, it is not illegal, but it shouldn't be abused also.
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knappenberger79 said:
I call shananigans with all your dooshbagery son...its past your bedtime..let the adults talk now
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lol, I actually expected a response like that.
Instead of actually addressing my points and challenging them all you could think to do was reply with a childish cliché or trying to act like you are been patronising when its simply that you cant think of anything to say.
You asked for a discussion and you have got one, you have aired your opinion and I have aired mine, If you cant take a opposite opinion of yours then that is your problem and you probably shouldn't create discussion topics.
You are calling yourself an "adult" yet you use the word "dooshbagery", Grow up and talk like and adult if you expect to be seen like one.
Back on topic, The guy is not selling roms, he's selling a service, simple!
@ MODS
Ok mods, changed my mind, close/delete thread if you wish, this guy obviously cant have an adult conversation.

I agree, he's not selling the ROM. He's obviously selling his time. The guy is taking full responsability (at least he should) for whatever happens to the device.
Just don't point this thread to jagpoag. Insulting is the only way of reasoning he knows.
You can build a full mail/web/whatever server you want using Linux. That doesn't mean you cannot charge for installing and configuring it.

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I agree, he's not selling the ROM. He's obviously selling his time. The guy is taking full responsability (at least he should) for whatever happens to the device.
Just don't point this thread to jagpoag. Insulting is the only way of reasoning he knows.
You can build a full mail/web/whatever server you want using Linux. That doesn't mean you cannot charge for installing and configuring it.
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Exactly.
This guy obviously doesn't like it when somebody has a different or better point them him.
Its simple logic really, He would be selling a ROM if he took the money and only supplied teh ROM files, he isn't. Hes taking money and going through flashing/config process instead of the customer having to, he selling a service.
If you dont know how to fix/change something on your car you got to a mechanic (or friend). Yes we may find it easy to learn this stuff (rom flashing) but others will not find it as easy. car repair/change and phone fix/flash same concept.

i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..

sudeep6258 said:
i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..
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Well you see tahts the point, some people will find it easy and some people will find it either hard or too daunting to try, or simply do not know how or know of xda etc.
Its the same as modding a xbox 360, its a pice of piss to flash its dvd drive but many many people do not know how or want to try so instead choose to pay somebody with more experiece.
lol, Im starting to sound like an agent for this guy
I just cant see how this guy or others are doing anything wrong, unless they overcharge ofcousre but if they was to charge something reasonable like £15 or something then that would be fine imo.
I cant see how you view this is immoral.

Exactly, simple logic. I don't think there's any way to bring down your argument so... don't expect a discussion
Believe me I've read hundreds of pages of people complaining because someone was charging for installing a map, rom, etc. and they just can't make a solid point about it.
Remember the Linux example, it's one of the best I ever heard off. You take free software and charge for your time when installing it. You can even make money installing paid software like Microsoft Exchange, Windows, etc. You're not stealing from M$. You're just offering a service for someone that cannot do it by his own.

sudeep6258 said:
i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..
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Morally incorrect? Why? You think it's easy because you're used to doing it. You have experience while others don't.
Some people don't have the experience and don't even want to know about it. They just want the job done and that's how they work. It's called to "delegate tasks".
We cannot do everything by ourselves. That's why we study and learn different things in life and we search people to make the work we cannot do by ourselves.

He isn't really selling his work..Useless thread

Monrad said:
Exactly, simple logic. I don't think there's any way to bring down your argument so... don't expect a discussion
Believe me I've read hundreds of pages of people complaining because someone was charging for installing a map, rom, etc. and they just can't make a solid point about it.
Remember the Linux example, it's one of the best I ever heard off. You take free software and charge for your time when installing it. You can even make money installing paid software like Microsoft Exchange, Windows, etc. You're not stealing from M$. You're just offering a service for someone that cannot do it by his own.
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That is a very good and precise point.
I myself know sweet FA about linux, what I do know you could write on a back of a stamp. If I wanted/needed a specific linux setup/configuration I would ask/pay somebody else to do it simply because I wanted it doing correctly without any hassle.
Some people didnt have a good enough education/or simply dont learn easily to be able to comprehend simple logic or concepts like this so like the OP they resort to childish responses like he did. I really did "lol" because after my point earlier I seriously did know that he would answer in that way, I could just tell, its typical of people to resort to that level of maturity when they cant think of a proper answer/challenge.
Thanks for also adding your opinions guys, I was beginning to think I was going crazy

dude.. seriously ya'll think it's right to do it.. and what's the crap about experience.. The chef's can't possibly make it easier.. It's just that some people don't have the mind at times to google it and jump at the sight of android for some $$.. and dude.. if u think it's right i ain't saying it's illegal.. but then why don't u urself do it eh??

Unbeliveable - People selling "manuals" on ebay to flash HD2 to WP7

I just searched HD2 on ebay, and found THIS.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Windows-Phone-7...ell_Phones&hash=item35b0189863#ht_4192wt_1139
Unbelievable.
These people are selling MANUALS comprised of probably everything found on XDA on how to flash the HD2 to run Windows Phone 7.
Taking people's hard work on this forum, and selling it for a profit.

Omg .. over 300 Sold ?!
And $25 ?!
$25 x 300 = $7500 ?
Reported the seller
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7500 not 750
My bad .

Cool, may give that a go myself , right little earner
Seriously though, why do people keep making these topics? We know that people are selling the info on ebay, they are even selling a flashing service, its nothing new and has been happening for years.
The people who buy these services/product are generally the people who NEED to buy them because they cant use "search" buttons or google etc so simply dont have the mental capcity to use XDA or flash tehir phone and if somebody can earn some money while providing that service I say good on them, may do it myself (joke, have no need to).

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Cool, may give that a go myself , right little earner
Seriously though, why do people keep making these topics? We know that people are selling the info on ebay, they are even selling a flashing service, its nothing new and has been happening for years.
The people who buy these services/product are general-ly the people who NEED to buy them because they can use "search" buttons or google etc so simply dont have the mental capcity to use XDA or flash tehir phone and if somebody can earn some money while providing that service I say good on them, may do it myself (joke, have no need to).
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lol .. That is just awesome,
Comment of the day

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that fella TheATHEiST has right.
Net is really huge place, (at lesst it is extremley huge virtual place, even it ficically might be small as one average appartement), and google has potential to give You informtation on any subject one might need. So if someone has no will, knowledge, patience, and again will to do it why not earn some money on that one.
All guys here are doing their best to make manuals, explaining flashing procedures, breewing their own tastes of winmo, android, or anything else. And there is smartass that do not wish to read these posts carefully, and do it on his own.
So be it, if he has enough money let the people do it for money. After all, do not we all live for money, and from money?

TheATHEiST said:
Cool, may give that a go myself , right little earner
Seriously though, why do people keep making these topics? We know that people are selling the info on ebay, they are even selling a flashing service, its nothing new and has been happening for years.
The people who buy these services/product are generally the people who NEED to buy them because they cant use "search" buttons or google etc so simply dont have the mental capcity to use XDA or flash tehir phone and if somebody can earn some money while providing that service I say good on them, may do it myself (joke, have no need to).
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that fella TheATHEiST has right.
Net is really huge place, (at lesst it is extremley huge virtual place, even it ficically might be small as one average appartement), and google has potential to give You informtation on any subject one might need. So if someone has no will, knowledge, patience, and again will to do it why not earn some money on that one.
All guys here are doing their best to make manuals, explaining flashing procedures, breewing their own tastes of winmo, android, or anything else. And there is smartass that do not wish to read these posts carefully, and do it on his own.
So be it, if he has enough money let the people do it for money. After all, do not we all live for money, and from money?
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I totally disagree, people that are doing things such as this are takinv advantage of someone elses hard work. The Devs that make the ROMs, HSPL, and MAGLD put alot of hours of hard thought and sleepless nights into developing thrir software. If they are kind enough to do this and not demand payment from others to use their work yhen what gives anyone else the right to charge people to install it for them. Yes there is people out there that are too lazy or too mentaly challenged to use google, or search XDA. But people offering this kind of service is just a further henderance to them and XDA. By offering these services to people lile that it is allowing them to be complaciant and not learn to think for themselves. People in general now days do not know hpw to think for themselves cause society has taught them they don't have to someone else will. If people were required to actually use their on brain power we as a society will grow and people might actually see that the way the world is and operates is not as normal and needed as we all think. As far as money goes yes we all have to have money to live but this is a vice of our own making. Money is not a natural accurring thing, it is not a real resource. It at the core of degrodation of our society and us as a race.

I'm out of work and skint maybe i need to do something like this to get myself a few quid just joking id never do anything like that,eBay need to take this down ASAP.

kawazaki said:
Omg .. over 300 Sold ?!
And $25 ?!
$25 x 300 = $750 ?
Reported the seller
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you got your math wrong.... that guy has made more than $7500!!! I can't believe so many have sold for that much money!

ahum kuch kuch $7500

At this point he has sold 446 of them... most for $25. So he's made over $10,000 in less than a week, I think. Ridiculous. I wonder if he even donated to the devs.

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Seriously though, why do people keep making these topics? We know that people are selling the info on ebay, they are even selling a flashing service, its nothing new and has been happening for years.
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Well, flashing service is fine, because you're lazy to do it yourself so you pay someone else to do the work for you.
There's other topics on this?
I didn't know.
I searched!
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I totally disagree, people that are doing things such as this are takinv advantage of someone elses hard work. The Devs that make the ROMs, HSPL, and MAGLD put alot of hours of hard thought and sleepless nights into developing thrir software. If they are kind enough to do this and not demand payment from others to use their work yhen what gives anyone else the right to charge people to install it for them. Yes there is people out there that are too lazy or too mentaly challenged to use google, or search XDA. But people offering this kind of service is just a further henderance to them and XDA. By offering these services to people lile that it is allowing them to be complaciant and not learn to think for themselves. People in general now days do not know hpw to think for themselves cause society has taught them they don't have to someone else will. If people were required to actually use their on brain power we as a society will grow and people might actually see that the way the world is and operates is not as normal and needed as we all think. As far as money goes yes we all have to have money to live but this is a vice of our own making. Money is not a natural accurring thing, it is not a real resource. It at the core of degrodation of our society and us as a race.
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^ That is exactly what I'm talking about, and my feeling and thought when I started this thread!!

Sizzlincok said:
Well, flashing service is fine, because you're lazy to do it yourself so you pay someone else to do the work for you.
There's other topics on this?
I didn't know.
I searched!
^ That is exactly what I'm talking about, and my feeling and thought when I started this thread!!
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have you made a pm to the mods? Ask them too what is the stand of the community in this regard.

T-Macgnolia said:
I totally disagree, people that are doing things such as this are takinv advantage of someone elses hard work. The Devs that make the ROMs, HSPL, and MAGLD put alot of hours of hard thought and sleepless nights into developing thrir software. If they are kind enough to do this and not demand payment from others to use their work yhen what gives anyone else the right to charge people to install it for them. Yes there is people out there that are too lazy or too mentaly challenged to use google, or search XDA. But people offering this kind of service is just a further henderance to them and XDA. By offering these services to people lile that it is allowing them to be complaciant and not learn to think for themselves. People in general now days do not know hpw to think for themselves cause society has taught them they don't have to someone else will. If people were required to actually use their on brain power we as a society will grow and people might actually see that the way the world is and operates is not as normal and needed as we all think. As far as money goes yes we all have to have money to live but this is a vice of our own making. Money is not a natural accurring thing, it is not a real resource. It at the core of degrodation of our society and us as a race.
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Look dude that argument is totally rediculous and has nothing to do with the price of fish.
These guys are not sellling the "ROMS" if they was that would be different, What they are selling is a collection of knowledge and/or a service.
By your logic you couldnt provide support service or collection of knowledge for linux!!
This is basically exactly the same as going out and buying a book on linux or paying somebody to install/setup linux for you, Its 100% the same in EVERY aspect since all the info you need is freely available on the net already same as THIS is.
Again, Nobody is selling the Devs work they are selling a service or info. For example I have my own webhosting business renting/setting up dedicated servers but I am a n00b when it comes to linux so I pay other people to do it for me. I know I can get this info on the net for free but I cant be bothered and simply get somebody else to do it.
PS. Did you ever think that it could even be Devs that are doing some of these ebay sales??

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Look dude that argument is totally rediculous and has nothing to do with the price of fish.
These guys are not sellling the "ROMS" if they was that would be different, What they are selling is a collection of knowledge and/or a service.
By your logic you couldnt provide support service or collection of knowledge for linux!!
This is basically exactly the same as going out and buying a book on linux or paying somebody to install/setup linux for you, Its 100% the same in EVERY aspect since all the info you need is freely available on the net already same as THIS is.
Again, Nobody is selling the Devs work they are selling a service or info. For example I have my own webhosting business renting/setting up dedicated servers but I am a n00b when it comes to linux so I pay other people to do it for me. I know I can get this info on the net for free but I cant be bothered and simply get somebody else to do it.
PS. Did you ever think that it could even be Devs that are doing some of these ebay sales??
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Ok first of nobody said anything about fish, where did that come from?
Secound yes this is just the selling of a collection of information. But there is plenty others out there that are actually selling the ROMs. These sites have people ship their HD2 to them and install the ROM's for tbem, this is true with Android ROMs and WP7 ROMs. This doesn't take into account for the people that don't even have a website but are just local people that are charging people to do this. Not to long someone in the T-mobile forums posted about a guy that was doing it in Hawaii and charging like a hundred bucks a pop. So you see no matter if it is the selling of the info on how to do it or the selling of the Actually ROMs and installation services. This is a total fleecing of people. Best example is this, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a liftime. If you learn it yourself and do the research yourself it is much more fullfilling.
As for your suggestion about my logic and it not being right to provide support for Linux. You totally miss uderstood my point. This is not what I am trying to say. What I am trying to say is that poeple have become too lazy and brain dead to do things for themselfs anymore. This is why people selling books and offering services do so well. I mean yeah it is easier let someone else do the work or gather the info for you but if you do these things yourself then you have a much better working knowledge and comprehention of it. That is one of the reasons for open source projects so everyone can benefit from it, gain knowledge from it, and maybe even help improve it. You youself said you are a noob to Linux and can't be bothered by it. If you did the research and work then you wouldn't have to pay someone to do it for you but yet you don't want to envest the time to do it. So this is a fault of your own. Now yes I know life is hecktic andit is sometimes hard to find the time to do such things but stop and think everyone always seems to find time to go to the moviesor watch a TV show. So you see if a persontruly wants something they will make time for it just as they make time to do other activities that want to do if it is truly important to them.
No I had not thought about it might be a dev selling these guides and stuff but to be honest if it was I truly beleive they would plainly state this fact to everyone. Cause this would help sell the product. So I truly doubt it is a dec.

Every time someone posts a link to these sales, they're just drumming up free advertising for the seller.
Don't like what he's doing? DO NOT LINK TO THE SALE.
Grats on putting money in his pocket.

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Ok first of nobody said anything about fish, where did that come from?
Secound yes this is just the selling of a collection of information. But there is plenty others out there that are actually selling the ROMs. These sites have people ship their HD2 to them and install the ROM's for tbem, this is true with Android ROMs and WP7 ROMs. This doesn't take into account for the people that don't even have a website but are just local people that are charging people to do this. Not to long someone in the T-mobile forums posted about a guy that was doing it in Hawaii and charging like a hundred bucks a pop. So you see no matter if it is the selling of the info on how to do it or the selling of the Actually ROMs and installation services. This is a total fleecing of people. Best example is this, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a liftime. If you learn it yourself and do the research yourself it is much more fullfilling.
As for your suggestion about my logic and it not being right to provide support for Linux. You totally miss uderstood my point. This is not what I am trying to say. What I am trying to say is that poeple have become too lazy and brain dead to do things for themselfs anymore. This is why people selling books and offering services do so well. I mean yeah it is easier let someone else do the work or gather the info for you but if you do these things yourself then you have a much better working knowledge and comprehention of it. That is one of the reasons for open source projects so everyone can benefit from it, gain knowledge from it, and maybe even help improve it. You youself said you are a noob to Linux and can't be bothered by it. If you did the research and work then you wouldn't have to pay someone to do it for you but yet you don't want to envest the time to do it. So this is a fault of your own. Now yes I know life is hecktic andit is sometimes hard to find the time to do such things but stop and think everyone always seems to find time to go to the moviesor watch a TV show. So you see if a persontruly wants something they will make time for it just as they make time to do other activities that want to do if it is truly important to them.
No I had not thought about it might be a dev selling these guides and stuff but to be honest if it was I truly beleive they would plainly state this fact to everyone. Cause this would help sell the product. So I truly doubt it is a dec.
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people sending the HD2 to the person and getting it back flashed with WP7 or Android is selling a flashing service along with expertise, it is not selling the ROM, the only way this would be illegal or immoral is if they guy knew how to flash the ROM but did not know where the ROM was and someone said "I'll sell you the download link" or something like that, otherwise this is totally legit. Jailbreaking an iPhone takes 5 seconds in some cases and in most less than 10 minutes, yet people charge out the ass for it.
It is totally legit and I don't see any devs complaining about it, it's actually a smart way to make some spare change.

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people sending the HD2 to the person and getting it back flashed with WP7 or Android is selling a flashing service along with expertise, it is not selling the ROM, the only way this would be illegal or immoral is if they guy knew how to flash the ROM but did not know where the ROM was and someone said "I'll sell you the download link" or something like that, otherwise this is totally legit. Jailbreaking an iPhone takes 5 seconds in some cases and in most less than 10 minutes, yet people charge out the ass for it.
It is totally legit and I don't see any devs complaining about it, it's actually a smart way to make some spare change.
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Ok guys I am sorry I am just the kind of person that does not like paying someone to do something I can do myself. I was taught as a mid growing up that knowledge is valuable and that a person that will put forth an effort to learn and do for themself is to be respected. I have always strived to learn things for myself and do things myself. Because of this I have become quit knowledgeable in several different fields including my career as a Electrician. I have learned how to fix my own cars, do repairs to my own house, bow to grow ny own food, generate my own electricity, how to mantain and for the most part solve software problems on my computer, and know I am learning all I can about the HD2 I have. You se I beleive in people being dependant as much as posible on themselves. But sadly this is not the case of our modern society.
Now as for it not being legit I still say no it is not because for them to even be able to gather the information on how to install Andriod or WP7 and then creat and sell a guide on it. the devs had to figure out how to do this and share this information for free with everyone else. Also to provide a installation service they have to utilize sofrtwarw such as HSPL and MAGLD both of wich were created by DFT. This software is not copy righted and is not sold. So in both cases they are selling something they put no real work into except for some reading and reasearch. If they had to perchase such softeare are information and then use such information and software to make money to me that wiuld be more exceptable. Also they are selling the ROMs cause without the ROMs they can not perform such services therefor the ROMs are part of the services that they are selling. Yes it is a good way to make some spare money but it is not moral to me, and they are doing more than making spare money they are making a killing.
If the devs or not complaining then I do not know why I can not speak for them. But if I was a dev I would be complaining and complaining big time.

It's not hard to rationalize this at all.
If people are dumb enough to ebay a manual on how to flash WP7/android onto their HD2, then they deserve to get ripped off for something they can do for free.
The only thing people can do is report the seller.

Went through some other products of his, he's selling the "software to unlock/jailbreak your iPhone". Hats off to him, he's a smart guy. Oh and he's made $12100 and counting.

Yeah I can not believe how much money he has made, it's amazing selling something so simple. And I agree with the post above comparing the sale to purchasing a manual on installing linux, the info is available for free but most people find it easier to read a how-to when going about it.

Selling android on craigslist

I found someone selling NAND android for the hd2 on craigslist..... pisses me off, so much work dev's put into this and people are selling it.... here's the ad: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/mob/2264692873.html
If this is not the correct place to post this, please move it, it is about nand android so I figured it would be okay here.... and in case he removes the ad because I instructed him to do so, here is the ad:
IF YOU HAVE A HTC HD2 THAT IS HAVEING PROBLEMS FREEZING LAGGING OR U JUST DONT LIKE THE WINDOWS 6.5 OS SYSTEM U CAN NOW UPGRADE TO ANDRIOD SENSE GINGERBREAD OR WINDOWS PHONE 7 ALL SYSTEMS RUN GREAT ANDRIOD ROMS COMES PRE ROOTED FREE WIFI HOTSPOT U CAN DOWNLOAD PAID APPS OF YOUR CHOICE. I WILL INSTALL RADIO UPGRADE FOR TMOBILE HSPA + 4G NETWORK. 4G HOTSPOT WORKS GREAT WITH GAME SYSTEMS 360 PS3 ECT UPGRADE ONLY TAKES ABOUT 30 MIN DEPENDING ON WHAT U WANT INSTALLED WILL MEET AT A DESIRED LOCATION THANK U. Call or text FOR MORE INFO EXPERT SERVICES 2 YR + 816-673-8835 anytime
I say any developers not happy about this give him a call!
I talked with him over text messaging and he claims that he does not know what XDA is and never heard of it....If any mods are interested in his personal info, I am going to have the name registered to this line in a few..... so he can be banned from XDA

yea theres a couple of those on craigslist here in the boston area also

And what he says in his ad about 4g..... does the radio upgrade make it 4g capable? if so, I wasn't aware that it did.....

Ya know... as disgusting as it is, he's not doing anything wrong. It's almost like saying that a mechanic charging to fix your car is ridiculous because they didn't even invent the parts, they're just using their technical know-how to fix it.
He's offering a service - to set up your phone with Android. Don't people pay to get Windows installed on their computers? Or Linux even? I mean, if there's a demand for a service, then there will be a supply of people who will charge for said service.
That being said, I hate how people are stupid enough to pay for this service when all the knowledge is out there for free and you'll be better off learning how to do it on your own because you become more knowledgeable and you can fix the phone on your own if there's some kind of software problem.

These kinds of services are rampant in the Los Angeles Area. These guys usually charge $20 a head. Gotta wonder how many people are dumb enough to shell out any amount of money for this kind of service.

I kind of do see a need out there for that kind of service though. Some folks would rather just fork over the $20 than risk screwing up their phone, and how many noob question threads are there from ppl who cant manage to flash a rom without help even after reading the stickies, etc. It kinda makes for less clutter in the forums, and people are glad to hand over a little cash for the garuntee that they get Android quick and easy. 2 things though:
These people should donate a certain amount of their profits to the devs who made their business possible.
And learning by doing makes you smarter. By reading and applying the knowledge gained, you are better preparing yourself for future challenges. There's always going to be a next cool phone, and today's lesson learned makes tomorrows challenge easier. I would never pay someone to make me dumber and lazier, I'm already dumb and lazy enough
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

The EBAY is full of those NAND builds. I once bought one to see whatsup and it was MDJ Ginger nand build...

diesburg said:
If this is not the correct place to post this, please move it, it is about nand android so I figured it would be okay here.... and in case he removes the ad because I instructed him to do so, here is the ad:
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Who in the hell are you to instruct someone to remove an ad off of Craigslist. Is it ****ed up, yeah, but you have absolutely zero right to instruct someone to do anything. Some people would rather pay someone rather than take the time to do it themselves. Some people could care less how they get to point B, just that they get there. Other people would rather pay someone to work on their phone so they don't have to deal with the stress of bricking their device. Anytime there is a dollar to be made, people are going to take advantage of the situation. This isn't the first time, and damn sure isn't going to be the last time.
That being said, hopefully, people that are charging to install Android on HD2's are donating a % of their income to the devs. Without them, it wouldn't be possible.
While were instructing people to do things, I'm instructing you to delete his phone number out of your post.

Diesberg,
Get off your horse before you fall off it. XDA and TW are awesome resources for this interest group but not for everyone. I could go on, but will just leave it with "you're wrong on this one".
CHEERS,
ASTRO
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

This subject has already been debated to death... some people rather pay to have it done instead of learning themselves. At least these craigslist sellers actually meet and do the flashing for you. To charge someone $20 to meet up with them and do the flashing isn't that unreasonable. What bothers me are the people on ebay selling the instructions for $20. One guy I saw made over $10,000 in less than a week selling instructions to install wp7 for $25 ea... I couldn't believe he sold that many.

It think plenty of right is reserved for someone to instruct him to take the ad down. As said above, a certain % of what he makes should be donated to developers, then it would be okay. But we know damn well that he won't donate anything. So I don't think it's right or should be done unless donations are gave to the developer of whatever software is being used. If you took all the time to make such a good rom such as typhoons cm7, I'm sure you wouldn't like someone selling it on an auction site.... but the ones who say this is okay I don't think are developers so you don't understand..... I'm not a developer but I would not be happy if I saw my rom being used for these services if I were the developer.....

Wow, you still don't get it. They don't sell any roms, they offer a service...
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Wow, I do get it. But I still feel like it shouldn't be done without a percentage going to developers.... at least cotulla.....(and I'm not even a huge fan of his work) it would not be possible for someone to sell such a service without the hard work of developers, at least the bootloader dev's. When someone charges to install windows... well, windows must be purchased first(at least for it to be legal) So microsoft gets their share for their work.... no dev is getting a share for his hard work when someone sells the installation service.... and I feel this is not right...... that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just like you are your opinion.......

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..... I'm not a developer but I would not be happy if I saw my rom being used for these services if I were the developer.....
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That's right, you're not a dev, so why are you tripping? Is Best Buys ripping off Microsoft because they charge someone to install windows? C'mon dude, you cannot be this dense.
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that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just like you are your opinion.......
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You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to instruct someone to remove an ad off of Craigslist, or to post some random dudes phone number on a message board.

this is such an old topic!!! I've been seeing this since I got my first windows mobile phone(Tmobile dash) 3 years ago, shoot you can go to ebay and find tons of ads on buying roms and install services with tech support, and all it is someone online or a text file with step by step instructions on how to do it yourself flashing and modding.
Just because we know XDA and we know how things should be done in the mobile hacking world , it doesn't mean everybody does, or everybody cares, I agree the devs deserve a donation or a percentage of anybody making a profit but it's not going to happen, at least from those people!

I did not post some random dudes number to a message board, I copied and pasted the craigslist ad that this thread is about. Yes, the ad contained his number but that is info you can find on the internet anyways. (craigslist.org)

This topic and all the millions of variations of it over the years are absolutely ridiculous.
This is 100% exactly the same as somebody providing a linux installation/setup/configuration service and anybody who says otherwise simply doesn't have any common sense.

diesburg said:
I did not post some random dudes number to a message board, I copied and pasted the craigslist ad that this thread is about. Yes, the ad contained his number but that is info you can find on the internet anyways. (craigslist.org)
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It's F'ing retarded to post his info with the intentions of getting him harassed. Where is the "no thank you" button when you need one?

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It's F'ing retarded to post his info with the intentions of getting him harassed. Where is the "no thank you" button when you need one?
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Goddamn WorldWide60, STFU! This topic may be old and we all have different opinions on the subject but no need to jump down this guys throat on every single one of his post!
I think it's rather shady that he's talking about installing "4g". What the hell is this loony talking about? That's the real issue here.

I guess there are two sides of the story its nice for people who have no knownledge how to do this but love android.