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Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

gthmcty1 said:
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

MilkPudding said:
I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

mmalott said:
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

heygrl said:
I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

N8ter said:
Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

Question For TMobile Reps

I posted this over on Android Central hoping a TMO rep would chime in
but none did :
I had an NS for a week, didnt like it, and returned it to Best Buy.
They were supposed to reverse the two year contract.
I got my phone bill and it still had the $18 + $1.26 tax upgrade charge.
I called TMO to get that taken off and apparently they hadnt reversed
my contract. So the rep fixed that and took the upgrade charge off.
But the reason for this thread is that she said I didnt have 4G internet.
I got the unlimited Android plan when I got with my pre-buy G1.
I had 3000 minutes in Florida, unlimited web and 400 texts.
A few months later I was told I was eligible for the unlimited loyalty plan
which changed my 3000 Florida only minutes to unlimited in the US.
So after the call yesterday I started looking at the TMO website and
I dont see anywhere where they differentiate web packages between
3G and 4G.
The rep said I wouldnt be able to do video chat because I dont have 4G.
Is this true ?
Anyone know ?
The MT4G is noticeably faster than the N1, NS, and G2.
It made me wonder if what she said is just a line they are told to tell people.
Anyone know if thats possible to block 4G to customers ?
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I am in the Tampa area that has the HSPA+/4G.
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going_home said:
I posted this over on Android Central hoping a TMO rep would chime in
but none did :
I am in the Tampa area that has the HSPA+/4G.
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As far as I know if your area has 4g and your phone is capable... you should get 4g. When I worked there about three years ago they couldnt block 3g. They can throttle your data usage though.

Great question, however there is no need to change web packages at this time if you are able to keep your grandfathered services. The term "4G Web" is just marketing and does nothing/provides no extra benefit to have the newer features.

Sheldonjace said:
Great question, however there is no need to change web packages at this time if you are able to keep your grandfathered services. The term "4G Web" is just marketing and does nothing/provides no extra benefit to have the newer features.
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Ok thats what I was trying to find out.
I figured they are trained to try and get rid of the older cheaper plans.
The rep said I wouldnt be able to use the video chat if I didnt upgrade my plan to 4G.
My current plan is $24.99 for unlimited data and 400 texts.
She said that plan was not 4g and I would need the 4G package at $30.00 plus
$5.99 for unlimited texts = $35.99. So $11.00 plus tax more.
How can I make sure I already have the HSPA+/4G ?
The phone is much faster than the Nexus One, G2, or Nexus S.

There is no difference between the packages though accept that the regular web wont work unless customer service does something on their end to make it work. I am a T-Mobile RSA and when the MyTouch 4G first launched they were not requiring us in the system to change the web on upgrades so most of the time we didn't then 24 hours later customers where calling us saying their web wasn't working and we figured out it was because we weren't changing the plans. But I have seen those plans like the 24.99 plans work if a customers call and complain correctly lol. But there is no speed difference between the plans it is all the same data speed its a matter of how the phone handles it.

I work alongside Tmobile [read: RadioShack employee], and I'm also in the Tampa Bay area [Burg side]. I can tell you for a fact your internet doesn't have to be a 4g plan. But that being said, in Tmo's systems all the new customers that sign up for web are being placed on a "4g" data plan, as opposed to just "data" as it in the past was called. This may be ramping up to a No FFC switch to be flipped, but at the moment, no complaints from older customers just SIM swapping (from a previous Android). PM for irl contact if you'd like, I can hook you up with my corporate reps info, [or atleast be a middle man between you].
Edit in further reading of the T-Mo rep's post above, we too have had a few cases of that, but only from people coming from what used to be deemed 'phone first' web. Anyone coming from G1, Cliq [xt], MyTouch [3g/Slide], etc haven't had any problem. [I myself included.] Maybe there is a larger issue here depending on what T-Mo serverside [or phone interpretation side] are reading for the plan(s) [as you mentioned.]

The new web features are called 4g, but they replace the old ones. In other words, there is no separate 4g and 3g data features. Some reps are just stupid. As long as you have a web feature that works for your phone, you can get whatever speeds are available in your area.
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When doing any upgrades in a store, the web feature has to be taken off and the required web feature has to be added which is $30. Unless you go with one of the promo plans out right now, which have the data at $20.

deviusdragger said:
When doing any upgrades in a store, the web feature has to be taken off and the required web feature has to be added which is $30. Unless you go with one of the promo plans out right now, which have the data at $20.
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Yeah and the only way around it is to buy the phone full price.
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stoneyjonez said:
Yeah and the only way around it is to buy the phone full price.
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or you can always call retention =O

Nail on the head
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or you can always call retention =O
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i would so trade you my myt4g for your NS all because of its GPU

The GPU war again huh? last we need is kids fighting over GPU now in mobile world lol seen that enough in PC world. BTW don't be fooled SGX540 just wins over Adreno 205 by very small margin as Galaxy S in this arena graphic comes superior in threading and displaying due to Super AMOLED. But if you check carefully due to superior hardware spec (higher ram, 2nd gen proc) it renders faster and smoother than NS. Trust me I know before I bought MT4G I did extended research on every device. DHD is the only one that came close but head to head with MT4G it didn't win in benchmark and only reason I picked it due to bigger screen which I miss since HD2.

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The GPU war again huh? last we need is kids fighting over GPU now in mobile world lol seen that enough in PC world. BTW don't be fooled SGX540 just wins over Adreno 205 by very small margin as Galaxy S in this arena graphic comes superior in threading and displaying due to Super AMOLED. But if you check carefully due to superior hardware spec (higher ram, 2nd gen proc) it renders faster and smoother than NS. Trust me I know before I bought MT4G I did extended research on every device. DHD is the only one that came close but head to head with MT4G it didn't win in benchmark and only reason I picked it due to bigger screen which I miss since HD2.
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Yeah i did my research as well. watch a sh*t load of review, etc I just like the form factor of the nexus s and its one strip of glass so i wouldnt have to worry about light leaking, hard buttons creaking, and with the SAMOLED i dont care much for but i like the extra 2" the GPU isnt too much better but it does run PSX alittle better. also if this phone is dropped it would probably dent lol cause the metal and its supper heavy (i actually like the heavy part) i just wish HTC didnt make it glass, hard buttons, then another plastic part. it just makes it complecated and problems xD i have OCD about phone stuff lol. when i get this phone replaced and get one with a good screen ill be happy then (if i dont get damn creaky buttons) idk if i would wanna go with samsung anyway.. after the behold 2 they fvcked over everyone with that phone.. but google has the NS backed up thats why i thought about it.

I learned long ago about not buying from Samsung as they truly lack the oversight, hence why HTC excels in this field? they are only focused in dominating the mobile field which they have successfully done so and I can say all my device will be HTC based until something else comes along. But thats very hard when 9/10 device that do make in is HTC based lol so they must be doing something right.
Ya I wasn't happy with the display, creaking button and ffc problems with MT4G, I just found it very odd the number of reported was so high as it makes you wonder how it even got passed QC in first place, they must have monkeys lol checking it. My display turn out good along with the button but the FFC is off center as its tilted on the right as its 0.3mp cam I don't care much as I doubt I will ever use it.

Looking at possibly coming over to tmobile to use the 4g network, since I tether with the mytouch 4g.
All plans unlimited text and data
Considering the "no contract plans"
500min @ $59.99 plus tax
1000min @$69.99 plus tax
OR
Sign a two year contract to get another phone, possibly a mytouch 4g for $99 costco or the up coming sale.
1500min @ $79.99 POSSIBLE discount of 15% =$68 plus tax
Ohio state discount for employees or whatever.....Over the phone with a customer rep I was told I just had to provide a valid email. If I give them my osu email this should work although I'm not an employee of the university. Would trade the new mytouch 4g for a nexus s and keep it as a back up. Or just wait for newer 4g phones to come out and purchase one of those.
Question pertains to being able to set up the OSU email on the account, would it work just by giving CS the email? Anyway to set up a discount on the "no contract plans" even more plan

MrHKM said:
I learned long ago about not buying from Samsung as they truly lack the oversight, hence why HTC excels in this field? they are only focused in dominating the mobile field which they have successfully done so and I can say all my device will be HTC based until something else comes along. But thats very hard when 9/10 device that do make in is HTC based lol so they must be doing something right.
Ya I wasn't happy with the display, creaking button and ffc problems with MT4G, I just found it very odd the number of reported was so high as it makes you wonder how it even got passed QC in first place, they must have monkeys lol checking it. My display turn out good along with the button but the FFC is off center as its tilted on the right as its 0.3mp cam I don't care much as I doubt I will ever use it.
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Yeah I can agree with you on that. HTC has been my number one device but after the mytouch side and now this... The G1 had better buttons than this. And didn't have light leaking through. Its sad the g1 having better build quality. And evey other phone coming out with a ffc has a 1.3 mp I know mp isn't the thing that counts but 0.3? Lol. I don't think monkeys would've even let it pass haha. Htc messed up the nexis one screen as well.. I think they do perfect on every phone then mess up the stupidest thing that could've been avoided. I don't get it. Its like they don't test their own devices. If it wasn't for the hard buttons and messed ffc and crap screen lol. Those are easy fixes for them to see I'm sure.
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Thats what I did, bought mine on Craigslist after I returned the NS to Best Buy.
I just dont trust what the rep told me on the phone and I'd like to know
for sure if I actually have HSPA+ or not.

You Have A MyTouch 4G ? You Have 4G !
Ok guys, went to my local TMO company store today in search of an answer
to the question "do I have to upgrade my plan in order to get
HSPA+/4G" .
The answer is no, the original prebuy G1 Android plan gets 4G and there
is no way for TMO to block 4G since technically its 3.5something G anyways.
I went to settings/about phone/network while I was in the store and it said
HSDPA on the phone.
The rep in the store agreed that what the rep told me on the phone was bogus.

What would it take to make you happy?

I've noticed everybody is very unhappy lately here in this great place most of us spend the majority of our day. So, let's talk.... what would make you happy? (REALISTICALLY)
What phone? What prices? What features on a phone? What features on a ROM? Etc.... Be as detailed as possible and keep it realistic!
Me? I would like a nice phone, doesn't have to be dual-core, that's just e-boner talk right now. 1.2Ghz+, 4.3'' screen, Gingerbread, full HD recording, hardware acceleration, a nice front camera with flash and some of the features from MIUI like visitor mode and a theme gallery. Oh yeah... and a ****ing trackball.

Honestly?! I just want my old discount and premier policies back and no $10 tax on non-4G phones. Basically, I want to go back to how things were not too long ago. I was really happy then.
I am patient enough for a new device. The EVO is making the wait quite enjoyable.

akarol said:
Honestly?! I just want my old discount and premier policies back and no $10 tax on non-4G phones. Basically, I want to go back to how things were not too long ago. I was really happy then.
I am patient enough for a new device. The EVO is making the wait quite enjoyable.
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I wish, but higher speeds mean more money, just like home internet, cable, gas consumption, pretty much anything on earth. The more it is, the more it costs.

I want the mods to stop deleting threads.
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DirtyShroomz said:
I wish, but higher speeds mean more money, just like home internet, cable, gas consumption, pretty much anything on earth. The more it is, the more it costs.
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Quality also relates to money, and nobody can argue that Sprint is lacking. 4G so far has been a flop with Sprint. Coverage is lacking. And lately their hardware is on a downward spiral. They should be desperate... and with desperation, consumers should rule!

akarol said:
Honestly?! I just want my old discount and premier policies back and no $10 tax on non-4G phones. Basically, I want to go back to how things were not too long ago. I was really happy then.
I am patient enough for a new device. The EVO is making the wait quite enjoyable.
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I concur. +1
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

Simply put;
Evo (2) successor
Dualcore
4G
SLCD
4-4.5" screen
Kickstand
And that's it.
I get the folks hating on the mandatory $10 charge ... and the status changes ...
Plans, as they are - even with the $10 fee either way, are good with me. Seem to be in the minority that actually find this a plus. Feel like people want to complain just for the sake of complaining. The status hype, I get that one. That sucks. Maybe if they could do it so that if you spent a year with a "4G" phone than after said year was done, you could qualify for that upgrade everyone wants. The others have to deal. Sprint, in that regard, would need to straighten some ish up ... but that might go a ways for some. Regardless, plans seem to not be that bad IMO and I'd be happy / and will be happy with them. I don't be d over for anyone, mind you. Thankfully I'm not getting "raped" like some seem to think they are.

Good thread!
I'd like my yearly upgrades back, and my student discount to be applied to all lines again, not just the first two...But, REALISTICALLY, all it would take to make me happy would be non-suckass 200kbps down 3G speeds and it'd be nice if I actually received calls, not just got random voicemails hours later...it makes running a business fairly hard.
The past 3 months I've never seen over 200kbps down (except when I was in grand rapids, mi, then I got 2.3mbps down). The thing that gets me is, here locally, it's 200kbps down, but almost always at least 1mbps up, sometimes 1.5. I don't get it. It really pisses me off. Also, at times, some towers have 0 ZERO download, but upload works perfectly fine.
To summarize:
- At least 600kbps down on 3G
- Actually get phone calls, not just random voicemails
Perks to keep me around:
- Yearly upgrades (again)
- Student discount on 3rd+ lines
- Better 4G service (2 bars would be nice)
- No need for an airave at my house and office
I'm perfectly happy with my EVO, but will be switching back to att ASAP.

hmm, for me it would be.
preferably dual core (I truly believe this would make the UI function much much more smoothly)
candy bar phone with similar screen size to the evo and a nicer looking screen
unlockable bootloader with a full compliment of fastboot commands (or at least an engineering leak)
no fps cap
a 3D screen would be nice if they are far along enough to be worth it
more internal memory
Headphone jack
And of course updates...
4G, a replaceable battery and a sd card are all things that it must have before I even consider switching to it. The old sprint premier perks would also be nice since I've had the same phone number with sprint for over a decade yet they say I've only been a customer for something like 6 years
edit: ohh yeah, a rich blonde to go along with it would make me happy as well

The one thing that would make the Evo perfect would be a way to get the dust out from under the screen.

What would it take to make me happy? All the complainers to leave.
Sprint is working on their 4g coverage, patience is a virtue.
Sprint announced the Evo at CTIA, how about waiting for the next CTIA before freaking out like kids who don't think they're getting a bike for xmas, patience is a virtue.
The $10/month is probably what's funding more 4g in more areas more quickly. Charging it to non-4g phones is NONE OF OUR CONCERN, WE HAVE A 4G PHONE! Soon, it'll be everywhere, patience is a virtue.
People to understand that economies change and sometimes that doesn't suit our best interests. If you've got the money to jump **** and buy every brand new device that comes out on the market, then you're too rich for me to give a damn about your opinions. Open up an "I hate Sprint" forum and get the hell outta here. Some of us are getting sick of all this. PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!

Being able to go pickup my Thunderbolt today would make me happy.

DirtyShroomz said:
Me? I would like a nice phone, doesn't have to be dual-core, that's just e-boner talk right now. 1.2Ghz+, 4.3'' screen, Gingerbread, full HD recording, hardware acceleration, a nice front camera with flash and some of the features from MIUI like visitor mode and a theme gallery. Oh yeah... and a ****ing trackball.
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1. The above, plus plain vanilla android, with root access out of the box, and direct updates from Google.
2. My premier status restored. I am OK with not giving new customers the old perks, but they shouldn't be taken away from existing customers, kind of like having a grandfathered plan.
These two things would make me a very happy long-time customer. (Been with Sprint since '98, but only 7 years consecutive. Actually, I've never used another provider...I just didn't have a cell for 3 years).

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=948413
Id be happy if this rumored EVO 2 was true. That would pretty much take a huge dump on the Atrix, thunderbolt, bionic and every other phone that has been announced so far. That chipset gpu combo would be a techies wet dream literally. Just let it be true....we'll soon find out.

To be perfectly honest I am content with my Evo. I'm not really interested in what they are coming out with next being that I just got my Evo 2 months ago. My Hero held me over as long as it could and now the Evo will do the same. A few things I am not too happy about include the $10 extra premium for internet usage. I have never used enough data to justify paying extra. Maybe they should just charge the people who are always exceeding the data cap. I wouldn't mind paying it if I actually got respectable speeds and used it excessively. According to Sprint I am in an area with excellent coverage however never have a full signal. And like everyone else I would like the 1 year upgrades back.
And like ZeroGI, I want a forum specifically for all the one liner threads and complainers. I'm tired of 50 threads of bull**** before I can even get to the stuff I'm looking for. IMHO threads should need to be approved before they are posted.

if i could get 1 thing .. that will make me feel better about all the changes and charges.
if the data speeds would be closer to what is marketd. coverage, consistancy, and penetration.
3G higher than 1mb
4G higher than 5mb
currently it is **** slow for both .. and you are lucky if you can get 4G at all (in a 4G area).
I think if the Data speeds and coverage was better, then all the other crap is understandable and acceptable.
Phones will come out.. not a big concern like others here.
Price... inflation is a *****.. but what u going to do?

Dan330 said:
if i could get 1 thing .. that will make me feel better about all the changes and charges.
if the data speeds would be closer to what is marketd. coverage, consistancy, and penetration.
3G higher than 1mb
4G higher than 5mb
currently it is **** slow for both .. and you are lucky if you can get 4G at all (in a 4G area).
I think if the Data speeds and coverage was better, then all the other crap is understandable and acceptable.
Phones will come out.. not a big concern like others here.
Price... inflation is a *****.. but what u going to do?
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That's how I feel, and like I mentioned I wouldn't mind paying the extra prices for data if it was actually usable. I don't get 4G yet, hopefully soon. I find myself using WIFI from my home and various other locations while I'm out and about. I honestly have only used 306,000KB in my last month of service because it's so damn slow. I can't even tether because it's so slow.

I just don't get all the "stop the complaining" stuff. We pay good money to Sprint for our access to their network. Their is plenty of exciting stuff coming out for Android on the other three major carriers. Leaked and confirmed. Have you seen one leak regarding Sprint? Sure, I realize they may offer up something soon but where is the buzz to keep you engaged? They certainly created buzz with their "Industry First" announcement then they threw out a Tonka toy. Our provider of choice NEEDS to hear that we are informed customers who won't stand for BS like that and if nothing enticing is coming down the chute they are going to have a high turnover. Plain and simple.

I'd like my 3G speeds back. I use to be able to hit 1.6 Mbps going down on 3G with no problems just a few months ago. Now, I'm lucky to get 25% of that regardless of where I am or what time it is.
Maybe Sprint should upgrade their existing infrastructure to handle all the new customers they have gotten instead of spending so much money on 4G, Nascar, and paying David Blaine to show up at the release of that atrocious Kyocera phone.

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I just don't get all the "stop the complaining" stuff. We pay good money to Sprint for our access to their network. Their is plenty of exciting stuff coming out for Android on the other three major carriers. Leaked and confirmed. Have you seen one leak regarding Sprint? Sure, I realize they may offer up something soon but where is the buzz to keep you engaged? They certainly created buzz with their "Industry First" announcement then they threw out a Tonka toy. Our provider of choice NEEDS to hear that we are informed customers who won't stand for BS like that and if nothing enticing is coming down the chute they are going to have a high turnover. Plain and simple.
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Very commendable that you as well as others want to get the point across to Sprint however this isn't a Sprint complaint forum. If people want to tell Sprint how they feel they should write letters directly to them. Everyone on these forums has at least one gripe about our beloved network of choice and if we all started a thread to express those complaints that's all this forum would consist of.

Who else is Returning their Atrix before 30 days are up?

The Atrix is kind of my second Android device. I had a Captivate for a few weeks and wasn't a fan. After following the Atrix (back when it was known as the Olympus), and having own it since the 21st, I think it's time to return it.
I like the phone. I like Android. And while AT&T may not be the fastest in my area, they're pretty good. But having my upload speeds "capped" really irritates me. There's no reason why it shouldn't have HSUPA enabled. And I don't trust AT&T to update it. So, as a consumer, I'm going to vote with my wallet and return my Atrix before I get locked into a contract.
I've been looking really hard to find an N1 for AT&T. The search hasn't gone well. Most people I've contacted on craigslist have a hard time telling me if it's Tmo or AT&T 3G. I figured most people with N1 were geeks and would know that question right off the top of their head. I've found a couple of ebay, and even though I know that phone is awesome, I have a hard time paying $300+ for a year+ old phone.
Anyone that knows someone selling an N1 for AT&T 3G, I'd be willing to pay up to $250 based on condition. I just really, really, really don't want to go back to using my iPhone 3G.

I am still waiting to hear from the repair guys regarding my iPhone 3GS. That's the initial reason I made the jump. But the clock is ticking and my 30 days are almost up. So if I hear from the tomorrow and my phone is reparable, I may take the Atrix back and wait to see what the iPhone 5 is gonna boast and if its nothing but a 4GS type of an upgrade... I'll most likely repurchase the Atrix. I just don't want to be kicking myself IF (the operative word is IF) the iPhone summer update release is comparable or surpasses any other phone on the market.
With all of the mods the developers are creating, I'm hopeful that the speed thing won't be an issue for long. But you are right about AT&T being shady.

Going to return mine if HSUPA / Skype issue is not resolved as both are pretty much a deal breaker for me.

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I am still waiting to hear from the repair guys regarding my iPhone 3GS. That's the initial reason I made the jump. But the clock is ticking and my 30 days are almost up. So if I hear from the tomorrow and my phone is reparable, I may take the Atrix back and wait to see what the iPhone 5 is gonna boast and if its nothing but a 4GS type of an upgrade... I'll most likely repurchase the Atrix. I just don't want to be kicking myself IF (the operative word is IF) the iPhone summer update release is comparable or surpasses any other phone on the market.
With all of the mods the developers are creating, I'm hopeful that the speed thing won't be an issue for long. But you are right about AT&T being shady.
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At least you have a 3GS. Do you know how horrible it is go from a fast, 1ghz phone, to a phone that's 400mhz with 128mb ram? Plus it's JB, so it's even slower.
I'm curious about iphone 5 as well, but it's going to take more than hardware to bring me back. I had an iPhone 4, and the antenna sucked. Also, I'm super bored with the OS. If the OS gets a major overhaul and the phone is better, I'll probably get it.
There is also the rumor about the HTC Revolver coming around Q3. Dual core, Android 3.0 (my guess is 2.4).
I'm actually really thinking about switching to VZW for the Tbolt. Except I hate VZW and have had a much more positive experience on AT&T. Except, at the current moment, they're only the 3rd fastest in Phoenix. Tmo and VZW LTE are faster.
Decisions... Decisions...

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Going to return mine if HSUPA / Skype issue is not resolved as both are pretty much a deal breaker for me.
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+1... Really need both when I travel...

i was thinking of returning mine because of the 2gb cap but i doubt i will
and since im able to get a steady connection from att and one that is fast and not bad like sprint and tmo it.
i believe that att and moto will push out the updates soon
its not like it samsung or sprint

I'll likely return mine. And too bad I sold my AT&T N1 today.

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The Atrix is kind of my second Android device. I had a Captivate for a few weeks and wasn't a fan. After following the Atrix (back when it was known as the Olympus), and having own it since the 21st, I think it's time to return it.
I like the phone. I like Android. And while AT&T may not be the fastest in my area, they're pretty good. But having my upload speeds "capped" really irritates me. There's no reason why it shouldn't have HSUPA enabled. And I don't trust AT&T to update it. So, as a consumer, I'm going to vote with my wallet and return my Atrix before I get locked into a contract.
I've been looking really hard to find an N1 for AT&T. The search hasn't gone well. Most people I've contacted on craigslist have a hard time telling me if it's Tmo or AT&T 3G. I figured most people with N1 were geeks and would know that question right off the top of their head. I've found a couple of ebay, and even though I know that phone is awesome, I have a hard time paying $300+ for a year+ old phone.
Anyone that knows someone selling an N1 for AT&T 3G, I'd be willing to pay up to $250 based on condition. I just really, really, really don't want to go back to using my iPhone 3G.
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Isn't the HSUPA+ of the Atrix is not compatible with the AT&T tower yet unless they turn the HSPA+ on?
I'm confused. Motorola is working on Skype compatibility now.

i'd sell you my ATT N1 for 275

Not a chance.
I'm building linux (ubuntu) boxes as often as I can and to have a phone of the same ilk is quite nice. One that is this fast is quite the bonus.
Phone carrying corps won't do anything unless we vote no with our dollars. I know I'm not doing it. Switching to another company still shows you are hooked.
iphones are boring. Edit: Great designs, beautiful methodologies. Still, boring bar the eye candy.

I have 10 more days to decide. I'm really on the fence still. On one hand the hardware is amazing and blazing fast. Friends and family wow at the tegra hd games, hdmi webdock with out using the official moto dock, and the snappiness of the OS is great (granted its rooted, frozen and better optimized than stock form.) Also, the hope that the bootloader will be open in the future and custom roms made for it are a big wait and keep it flag for me. But on the other hand moto has left a bad taste in my mouth with the locked bootloader, and so has at&t with the HSUPA fiasco. But then I have to also hope that a more powerful or as powerful "community friendly phone" will be out soon as well, because anything else up till now doesn't boast this kind of hardware and speed in MY experience..... Decisions.

I already returned mine. Motorola made such an awesome phone and then teamed up with AT&T to completely cripple it! I fully trust AT&T will do everything they can to SCREW Atrix buyers. GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
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There isn't a chance in hell apple does anything but incremental upgrades.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Everyone will still buy it. The iPhone 4 was an extremely large jump, this will be a nice step forward.
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What phone to upgrade to?

Hey guys,
So i've been going back and forth trying to decide if I should upgrade now or wait it out until something better comes along. I love my EVO, but just getting the urge to get something new...i have mixed feelings on the 3D and am pretty stoked for the Samsung Within to come out (supposedly in late July). Also I hear more and more rumors about the iphone coming to sprint this fall. Along with apple getting sprint towers to do some serious testing on their network in KS. If those rumors do become fact and I got a phone before they annouce it, i would be kinda of pi$$ed i didnt wait it out for the iphone.
So i guess im just seeing what you guys think - if sprint will get the iphone or not this year? Or if you have an evo 3d or if your waiting on one of the motorla's to come out or the samsung within...
Just hoping to get some discussion on what everyone is waiting on from sprint this year....look forward to reading everyones posts...

EVO 3D? (Maybe, IMHO until they address the bootloader, back off of it.)
iPhone? No. If you want an iOS device wait for a new iPod Touch to tether to any Android phone.
Samsung ___ (I don't trust them), You gotta love the spec sheet on the GSII though.
I'd wait only until September just to see what crops out. If the Nexus Prime comes out, I'd go for that.
Me personally, I'll be going to the EVO 3D just on the strength of the devs that are getting it as well & the fact that I actually like Sense based roms. I'll also be selling my iPod Touch 4 as I'll be buying the new iPod Touch #_? to tether to the EVO 3D.

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Hey guys,
So i've been going back and forth trying to decide if I should upgrade now or wait it out until something better comes along. I love my EVO, but just getting the urge to get something new...i have mixed feelings on the 3D and am pretty stoked for the Samsung Within to come out (supposedly in late July). Also I hear more and more rumors about the iphone coming to sprint this fall. Along with apple getting sprint towers to do some serious testing on their network in KS. If those rumors do become fact and I got a phone before they annouce it, i would be kinda of pi$$ed i didnt wait it out for the iphone.
So i guess im just seeing what you guys think - if sprint will get the iphone or not this year? Or if you have an evo 3d or if your waiting on one of the motorla's to come out or the samsung within...
Just hoping to get some discussion on what everyone is waiting on from sprint this year....look forward to reading everyones posts...
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Why would you want the iPhone. It's such a piece and android is so much better. I would say get the 3D or wait for the within and get that. At the very least wait for something better to come out. Please do not waste your money on the garbage iPhone.

i'm waiting for news of a SGS2, otherwise the evo3d is cool

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i'm waiting for news of a SGS2
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Same here. I was hoping to hear some sort of announcement this week now that HTC's new flagship has already been released. Figured Sprint has agreements with the various manufacturers to stagger announcements so that new releases aren't downplayed by other major announcements.

Nexus prime, this fall.
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I got my wife the EVO3D and she absolutely loves it. (She had the EVO 4G before)
Even stock it is screaming fast. Instant response to all the touches. Root does currently seem to be an issue and why I don't use it. Wireless tether is a must for me.
As great as the EVO 3D is I think I might wait till the Holidays and get the last greatest then. I am crossing my fingers that Sprint gets the new Nexus at launch since they have been buddy buddy recently.
If the iPhone 5 comes out for Sprint (I doubt it highly) that is a great choice as well. Not as versatile as Android but it does what it does better than anybody else.
Don't flame me, I am an Android Fan boy, but I know how to show respect to the competitors.

I'd wait it out.
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OK maybe I'm just poor, but are you guys paying or planning on paying full retail? Unless you have a really cool rep letting you upgrade after only one year. Is there some awesome place selling phones for cheap that I haven't heard of? (like a trustworthy seller on eBay?)

For me, I'm still holding out until the real EVO replacement. The 3d is only meh to the original. Don't care enough about 3d and the dual core stuff is still just mediocre. When they slap in dual 1 ghz processors, then were talking. Until then, the original EVO is still way up there on list of bad ass phones.
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I'm leaning towards getting a 3D this week. I was going to wait for the SG2 after seeing all the negative initial reviews, but after playing with the 3D, I came away impressed. It's got everything I like about the Evo, with a form factor I like more and the 3D was actually pretty cool to see live. I'm still hoping the SG2 comes out late July as predicted so I can still make a direct comparison before any 30 day return window ends for me.

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Nexus prime, this fall.
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+1 on this...I tried the Evo 3d yesterday not impressed at all

I think my Evo is working just fine and probably sticking with it. I'm going to wait for the next generation of phones (quad-cores).

I can't stand Apple but have you guys read this article?
LINK

I looked at the 3D live and it was nice, but I'm not excited enough to drop a pile of cash for it. I spoke to a Sprint Rep on the phone and she seemed to think that I could get the $75 Premier discount plus the $150 recycle discount for turning in my EVO 4G and that would get me the 3D for free. But after doing more research, it seems like she was just confused.
As far as I can tell, I'd need to buy the phone outright for $450-550 and I'd be able to discount $225 from that. Leaving me another $225+ out of pocket.
The other option would be canceling my contract and paying something just under $200 for early cancellation. Then signing a new 2 year contract and getting the 3D for $180. But that still leaves me paying ~$155 out of pocket.
Is this math generally correct? Or is there another way to upgrade the EVO 4G to the EVO 3D for lower out of pocket costs?
As for which phone I'd upgrade to if I was willing to spend $200-300+, I'm very excited about the SGII but I'm a bit worried about the lack of recent news about possible Sprint coverage on it. I'm also very interested in the Nexus Prime, but by the time it is due out I was expecting to start seeing quad core phones coming out.
Additionally, now after seeing the recent network speed tests and how Sprint is so terrible and my recent problems with extremely slow 3G speeds, I'm seriously considering a switch to Verizon when I upgrade. Plus the fact that I'm seeing Verizon's 4G network expand so much faster than Sprint's (which after a full year is still not available in my area) and the fact that Sprint may be switching over to LTE.

That looks like an HTC or Motorola to me, not an Apple.
I must admit, it looks sexy.

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I can't stand Apple but have you guys read this article?
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yeah i did, just checked it out actually before coming over to XDA...can you tell im working hard over here. I can't tell if I like that form factor or not. I HATED the iphone 4 form factor when it first came out and thought it was the ugliest thing in the world then, but now I love it. If it does look like that I guess I'd have to hold it and see how it is.
What do you guys think - think it wil be a totally revamped iphone coming out this fall or just some minor upgrades, like being compatable with Sprint's network?
The SGSII looks sick as hell and i might have to snatch that up - really hoping the iphone comes to sprint tho - without the outrageous prices!
Thanks for all the comments so far!

Splaktar said:
I looked at the 3D live and it was nice, but I'm not excited enough to drop a pile of cash for it. I spoke to a Sprint Rep on the phone and she seemed to think that I could get the $75 Premier discount plus the $150 recycle discount for turning in my EVO 4G and that would get me the 3D for free. But after doing more research, it seems like she was just confused.
As far as I can tell, I'd need to buy the phone outright for $450-550 and I'd be able to discount $225 from that. Leaving me another $225+ out of pocket.
The other option would be canceling my contract and paying something just under $200 for early cancellation. Then signing a new 2 year contract and getting the 3D for $180. But that still leaves me paying ~$155 out of pocket.
Is this math generally correct? Or is there another way to upgrade the EVO 4G to the EVO 3D for lower out of pocket costs?
As for which phone I'd upgrade to if I was willing to spend $200-300+, I'm very excited about the SGII but I'm a bit worried about the lack of recent news about possible Sprint coverage on it. I'm also very interested in the Nexus Prime, but by the time it is due out I was expecting to start seeing quad core phones coming out.
Additionally, now after seeing the recent network speed tests and how Sprint is so terrible and my recent problems with extremely slow 3G speeds, I'm seriously considering a switch to Verizon when I upgrade. Plus the fact that I'm seeing Verizon's 4G network expand so much faster than Sprint's (which after a full year is still not available in my area) and the fact that Sprint may be switching over to LTE.
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IMHO you have to remember, if you keep worrying about the "next best thing" there will be something better to follow, right behind it. I'd wait two months tops, just to see what else will become available.
$155 - $225 for the EVO 3D isn't bad, its generally what you'd normally pay for an average upgrade.
BTW you can't mention switching to Verizon if you're looking to manage money, I don't think you'll be too excited paying more "out of pocket" per month than you have to.

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I'm leaning towards getting a 3D this week. I was going to wait for the SG2 after seeing all the negative initial reviews, but after playing with the 3D, I came away impressed. It's got everything I like about the Evo, with a form factor I like more and the 3D was actually pretty cool to see live. I'm still hoping the SG2 comes out late July as predicted so I can still make a direct comparison before any 30 day return window ends for me.
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Can you post a link to the negative reviews? I've seen nothing but raving reviews on this phone. It's nice to have a balanced opinion.

How is the SGS2 different then the EVO 3D, aren't they the same or similar specs?