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Hello everyone!
It's my first post here, I'll try to make this simple and understandable.
I've got an HTC Vogue (obviously), unlocked it last week, installed NFSFAN's ROM, everything is fine. The phone is currently out of plan, which means my contract ended. I want to change carrier (currently on Bell's CDMA), but I don't know where to start. Basically, I want to go with Fido. I read alot about PRL and those ESN, CDMA Tools, etc... Just want some help and small how-to on changing the carrier from Bell to Fido. I have another phone which is with Fido, (LG Neon). Can I get the carrier informations from this phone with some software/hardware or just common sense method (like calling them). At the store, they told me they couldn't get my phone on their network because it was with Bell, but I know there's a way of doing it.. There's a way for everything, and this must be easy.
I qualify myself as moderately advanced in computer skills, so don't be shy to share even the most complicated methods of doing it!
Bump. No one did this before till the Touch Vogue was released?...
I sent you a pm about this a few days ago.
Bell=CDMA
Fido=GSM
Can't switch.
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Bell=CDMA
Fido=GSM
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Somewhat true up until last year. New phones that use SIM cards for Bell/Telus HSDPA network are now interchangeable with Rogers via some handiwork.
But yeah, the Touch is, well, a little bit older no SIM cards for her.
You should be able to switch to another CDMA network though, like Sprint (in the US) or Telus.
edgevision said:
Somewhat true up until last year. New phones that use SIM cards for Bell/Telus HSDPA network are now interchangeable with Rogers via some handiwork.
But yeah, the Touch is, well, a little bit older no SIM cards for her.
You should be able to switch to another CDMA network though, like Sprint (in the US) or Telus.
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But HOW?
Hi guys,
i am playing with the idea to buy the droid x. i will get it with a verizon contract but can i use the device, if i travel to europe, like germany, swiss, austria...
or does it only work in the states?
any ideas?
Unfortunately no. Droid X is a CDMA phone, and most of Europe uses GSM technology, where you can swap SIM cards. There are no SIMs for CDMA.
If you have time and don't mind waiting, there is some info going around about Droid Pro, which is a global version of Droid 2. You'll be able to use that baby in Europe.
http://www.androidcentral.com/search/"droid pro"
but the droid pro comes with the keyboard or? i would like to get something without keyboard. droid x looks great.
but how does it work out?
because right now i have a blackberry from vzw and this one workes in europe. i was thinking vzw uses only cdma technology?
Typically Verizon does only use CDMA.
The upcoming Droid Pro is said to have capabilities to do either CDMA or GSM. All of the hardware will be in each phone. Verizon supposedly is going to start using SIM cards around the time of the LTE rollout which could be around the same
time the Pro is introduced.
but the question is, why does my verizon blackberry work in europe, if the only use cdma.
for me cdma sucks, first you can have either data or voice and next thing is i hate to be dictated by the providers which phones i can use or if i want a specific phone i have to change to a diffrent provider. for example the HTC EVO, good device but crappy provider...doesnt make any sense have a high-tech device on a almost no coverage provider.
but you say verizion is switching over to sim? completely or do the use both then?
what is LTE?
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but the question is, why does my verizon blackberry work in europe, if the only use cdma.
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You have a global BB model. It has both CDMA and GSM capabilities. it uses cdma while you're here on Verizon and your sim card in europe. There is not that many phones like that though...
hmm and thats f... up... we are living in the jet-age, everything is glocal. within one day you can be every where around the world. and we are not able to fix this problem? and its only because everybody wants to push his standard. thats a nightmare....but well maybe it will be fixed one century...
I thought the phone had to be a quad band phone... or are GSM the only ones that can be?
i called verizon and they say i cant use it overseas, because they mainly use sim technology and it is a cdma phone...
another question.
is it possibly to keep my blackberry and if i go overseas to activate the blackberry (best would be if i can do it by myself, i think there was in one of there brochures a how-to) and in the states use the droid x?
or is it hard to get it activated or maybe vzw doesnt even want that?
@Snake-Plissken
Basically your blackberry has to be unlocked. That is it needs to be able to use sims other than default carrier. If it is or if you can get it unlocked, then all you do is buy a sim card from a local operator in europe (should be cheap), put it in your phone, and that gets you on a local network.
@mcwoods
Usually a "global phone" does mean it's quad band.
@meshdub
i think there is a missunderstanding.
how should i explain it: right now i have the blackberry storm 2 but i want to get a droid phone, either droid x or incredible. I am traveling a lot. My plan is to use with vzw my droid phone and when i go on a trip to europe, i will use my blackberry with vzw but on roaming in the country.
the question is, does vzw allow the switch of my phone like that. the best would be if i can activate the desired phone by myself. i think its only a bunch of numbers which have to be dialed.
i want to use both phones with vzw but be able to switch between them.
is this possible?
Oooh I see now, sorry. I didn't realize you wanna stay on vzw in Europe. That I'm not sure, you'll have to talk to them. But usually it's pretty easy to activate new phone. You just dial verizon's activation number and go through automated prompts. I'm not sure if it's any different when dialing from overseas though.
And I have no clue how verizon operates in Europe btw, you'll need to talk to them. They might give you their sim card, or you might have to get one from local operator that's contracted with verizon. I doubt there is a lot of cdma coverage there.
i think the blackberry has already a sim-card in it, it looks like one...and i am able to use it in europe.
my plan is. using droid x in the states and before i leave i will activate my blackberry to have coverage there...
or is there any droid coming up as global phone, except this droid pro or something.... i am looking for something like the x or incredible...
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i called verizon and they say i cant use it overseas, because they mainly use sim technology and it is a cdma phone...
another question.
is it possibly to keep my blackberry and if i go overseas to activate the blackberry (best would be if i can do it by myself, i think there was in one of there brochures a how-to) and in the states use the droid x?
or is it hard to get it activated or maybe vzw doesnt even want that?
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Yes, you can have a Droid X and still use your Blackberry in Europe. I was in Europe this summer and spoke with VZW about this. They just asked me if I would like to activate my Blackberry while I was overseas.
that sounds good.
blackberry isnt that nice, but well at least i can use it...
So, I was about to buy this phone and use it on At&t in the US, but as I was looking at the ebay listings, I noticed that some of them stated that It does not work GSM with at&t.
I'm not very tech savy, but I find hard to believe that such an advanced phone would have this problem. Can anybody that tested it, shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you
It has the hardware to support it but it's the software that verizon has locked down to not work with any other carrier in the USA
In normal gsm phones you simply need an unlock code for the phone to work with any other carrier then the one it's meant to work with but in this case even after you give the phone the unique code it still won't work with att or Tmobile in the USA so we are looking to see how to disable the lock on USA bands on the phone but it seems not many people have made much progress
Thanks for trying to help, but that is not what i'm asking
I know it works, but everybody says it doesn't work on 3G, just on EDGE.
here's the response I got from an ebay retailer
"This version will work on the AT&T GSM network, however, will not work on the 3G network, only edge.
Best regards,
Communication Telecom International "
AT&T uses 850Mhz and 1900Mhz for the 3G frequency bands and it does support it in the hardware as I was saying, its just that nothing at this point will work not even EDGE because the USA lock overrides anything AT&T uses.
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AT&T uses 850Mhz and 1900Mhz for the 3G frequency bands and it does support it in the hardware as I was saying, its just that nothing at this point will work not even EDGE because the USA lock overrides anything AT&T uses.
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You are confusing the Droid 2 Global with the Milestone 2. Two different phones here.
the milestone2 should have the right hardware to connect to att 3g sorry for the confusion
The Droid 2 Global and Droid Pro also have the hardware to support US GSM bands but it has been disabled in the radio. This is not software, so to speak, but rather hardware configuration.
If you know where to look you can fix this problem.
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The Droid 2 Global and Droid Pro also have the hardware to support US GSM bands but it has been disabled in the radio. This is not software, so to speak, but rather hardware configuration.
If you know where to look you can fix this problem.
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feel like sharing?
i think he is messing look at the username.
Don't hijack the thead!
OP asked about Milestone 2, not Droid 2 Globlal.
So - to address OP's question - yes - Milestone 2 currently on sale in most places is the EMEA model (Europe/Middle East/Asia), which has 900 and 2100 W-CDMA bands only.
Based on the official page from Motorola here, Milestone 2 A953 has a version with W-CDMA 850/1900/2100 MHz which are the bands used primarily in the Americas (850 and 1900) and Australia (850/2100). There was an article the phone is coming to Argentina before Christmas, so it may start showing up quite soon.
If you want US 3G support from Milestone 2, you have to wait for one of these to emerge. Sure enough it will not have any restrictions against US GSM/WCDMA operators (MCC 310) like the Droid 2 Global (currently) does.
I am not "messing". I cannot post external links of proof because I have too few posts.
I also do not wish to SPAM your forum out of respect for the rules.
Search for droidbandunlock on Twitter for more information.
thats sweet then I saw the video, I have a D2G and bought the phone for this purpose, where will the release be?
They inted to sell it as a servce. It definitely works...we were early testers and I have been trying to help them get the word out about it. These guys know what they are doing and what the value of this exploit is.
well sure but I'd like to know about it asap I've been stuck using this on wifi only :/
I'd pay about $10 for it
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They inted to sell it as a servce. It definitely works...we were early testers and I have been trying to help them get the word out about it. These guys know what they are doing and what the value of this exploit is.
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Those bast*rds!!! How dare they know what the value is and not give it away for free!!!
I am just kidding
People sell unlock codes all the time for like 15 bucks so should be no problem for people that have to pay for this exploit...wonder if it is the same one I found
This may not be the best thread to continue this discussion. My apologies for the hijack.
I am most interested in seeing what you have found, but from what little reading I have done in your threads it appears you are working in the system only and not modifying the radio.
If that is the case, then our exploit has nothing in common with yours.
Do you have any evidence of it working with US GSM bands on AT&T or T-Mobile?
Perhaps we should start another thread, but we will not be revealing the precise nature of our method for obvious reasons.
Our method makes no changes to the system and leaves no trace of itself anywhere that can be accessed on the device itself beyond the ability to use the US GSM bands.
sorry to interruput but i think this is the only way to talk to you unlocker but about what will the price be and where can we find more info about release dates and downloads etc.? i found you on twitter and asked a few questions but there still isnt much info
I have to modify system because in my ROM (Fission) the packages that handle sim card functions do not work without some "blur" components so thus the need to modify my system
I have pics and a vid ready to go for when I was going to sell my service. I am not trying to nor am I going to compete with you guys or from TBH. P3Droid and Gweedo have been nothing but really friendly with me and to be honest; I would rather not deal with the headaches that come with selling a service on this forum and/or many others. I already went through and going through hell for the way I handle Fission ROM Manager and really don't want any more of that crap...I would rather continue dev work on the ROMs and some other apps I have been working on
I won't get into how my method works for the same reasons that are very clear too but if you want to discuss anything in private feel free to message me or hit me up on Gtalk.
Did you guys release your method yet? If not when do you plan on doing so? I would like to prepare Fission for users who will need to unlock or do use their SIM cards...
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This may not be the best thread to continue this discussion. My apologies for the hijack.
I am most interested in seeing what you have found, but from what little reading I have done in your threads it appears you are working in the system only and not modifying the radio.
If that is the case, then our exploit has nothing in common with yours.
Do you have any evidence of it working with US GSM bands on AT&T or T-Mobile?
Perhaps we should start another thread, but we will not be revealing the precise nature of our method for obvious reasons.
Our method makes no changes to the system and leaves no trace of itself anywhere that can be accessed on the device itself beyond the ability to use the US GSM bands.
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Angdroid said:
I have to modify system because in my ROM (Fission) the packages that handle sim card functions do not work without some "blur" components so thus the need to modify my system
I have pics and a vid ready to go for when I was going to sell my service. I am not trying to nor am I going to compete with you guys or from TBH. P3Droid and Gweedo have been nothing but really friendly with me and to be honest; I would rather not deal with the headaches that come with selling a service on this forum and/or many others. I already went through and going through hell for the way I handle Fission ROM Manager and really don't want any more of that crap...I would rather continue dev work on the ROMs and some other apps I have been working on
I won't get into how my method works for the same reasons that are very clear too but if you want to discuss anything in private feel free to message me or hit me up on Gtalk.
Did you guys release your method yet? If not when do you plan on doing so? I would like to prepare Fission for users who will need to unlock or do use their SIM cards...
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Thanks Angdroid for ur hard work. Been following u for some time, hopefully u can release SIM package for D2G Fission soon.
Could anyone running Fission ROM try to switch to GSM mode from *#*#4636#*#* menu? I know you can switch to GSM from there on the original ROM without having to go to settings/wireless/networks/etc As it is standard Android tool, maybe that could be used to switch between the two radios until AngDroid figures out how to make it nice. Hope it works though.
i have been reading and searching for over an hour now here and on several pages and do not seem to find any answer froma real proffessional.
why i cant get signal after i insterted my Tmobile Sim card in my unlocked droid pro verizon ? i even tried and insterted my co worker AT&T sim card, same results, NO NETWORK FOUND.
Verizon told Motorola to block GSM networks inside the US. There is nothing wrong with your phone, but right now AT&T isn't going to work.
Check out the Droid 2 Global forums for more info. I believe folks over there are working on a solution.
Have you had the GSM antennas unlocked? When I bought my Pro I was told that in order to actually use it in Global mode (and use the GSM antenna) you have to either take it to a verizon store or call a number for them to unlock it. The GSM antenna is disabled by default.
jonkranked said:
Have you had the GSM antennas unlocked? When I bought my Pro I was told that in order to actually use it in Global mode (and use the GSM antenna) you have to either take it to a verizon store or call a number for them to unlock it. The GSM antenna is disabled by default.
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The GSM antenna is not locked by default, but the SIM card slot is. If you wanted to take the phone to Europe and buy a pre-paid SIM to use over there (instead of Verizon's SIM) then yes, you must unlock the phone.
However, entering the SIM unlock code will not help you connect to AT&T or T-Mobile, because Verizon blocked it on the radio level.
GSM antenna unlocked?
i am not trying to be Jerk, but i have been in the cell phone repair business since 2003, and never heard of that term, is that a new term?
jonkranked said:
Have you had the GSM antennas unlocked? When I bought my Pro I was told that in order to actually use it in Global mode (and use the GSM antenna) you have to either take it to a verizon store or call a number for them to unlock it. The GSM antenna is disabled by default.
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cprauctions said:
GSM antenna unlocked?
i am not trying to be Jerk, but i have been in the cell phone repair business since 2003, and never heard of that term, is that a new term?
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that's what i was told by a sales rep at the verizon store, so it came from a totally reliable source.
maybe I just got confused as to which was locked (sim card vs antenna)
DroidBandUnlocked - Droid Pro
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hgzndt8zBg
LMAO
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that's what i was told by a sales rep at the verizon store, so it came from a totally reliable source.
maybe I just got confused as to which was locked (sim card vs antenna)
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The sales rep is a retard. Lmao.
Man, if the unlock has truly been discovered, it's going to be real tempting not to switch over to T-Mobile if Sprint lets me out of contract. I use my Droid Pro strictly as a travel phone, but if I can use it at home, too, I'd love to.
Unlocked Droid Pro for USA GSM!
This other guy on androidforums came across an unlocked DroidPro that worked with his T-Mobile Sim Card for a while until he decided to update the phone and ended up blocking his T-Mobile sim card in the end...
I kind of hope there are some other phones like that out there so I can get my hands on one of them and figure out where to look for that piece of code that blocks the phones ability to use T-mobile/AT&T networks.
I use my droid pro overseas, but travel to the us two or three times a month. It sucks to have a global phone that i can use everywhere (roaming) but not in the US. A verizon plan is simply too expensive to afford to use 4 days a month.
I would be willing to pay, donate, contribute to find a way to activate the droid pro on a prepaid at&t plan. Or even an affordable verizon daily prepaid plan. Any ideas?
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hk9090 said:
I use my droid pro overseas, but travel to the us two or three times a month. It sucks to have a global phone that i can use everywhere (roaming) but not in the US. A verizon plan is simply too expensive to afford to use 4 days a month.
I would be willing to pay, donate, contribute to find a way to activate the droid pro on a prepaid at&t plan. Or even an affordable verizon daily prepaid plan. Any ideas?
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You could have it flashed to Page Plus. They operate on the Verizon network.
anyone know if it's successfully been done? Have an XPRT and we might be migrating from Sprint to Tmob. Would love to keep using the XPRT as backup phone or primary if it takes a while to get my hands on Milestone 3.
It won't work on T-Mobile 3G, and I don't know if this works for the XPRT, but the Pro unlock has been released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259550
well that's a waste. Too many damn gsm bands. Thanks for the link. Might do it anyway. If I end up selling it, it'll be more valuable if it can be used on AT&T. Think getting GSM phones from Bell Canada is the way to go for Tmob phones. Think the Milestone 3 will be in my future if we do the switch.
So I've done a bunch of researching and I want the pros opinions.can I clone my evo info(msid amd the such) to my eris and have it run? itd be a great back up phone! As usual any help or knowledge is much appreciated!
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
I don't want to sound rude but have knowledge of the subject before replying please. Sprint and verizon are cdma technologies. Att and tmobile are gsm. Hence the sim card....thankyou all the same dude....
[edit]: I saw your other post that answered my question (why would you want to when you could get an EVO or better?).
You probably can; though, it will probably require some serious effort on your part.
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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sprint is cdma atleast i believe the hero is
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
where do u think some of our roms come from
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Smart a$$. Lol. Jk bro. Hey Tazz I wanted to know if you will be working on cyanogenmod 7 whenever it comes out?
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Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Stonent said:
Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Why is it illegal? I ask this because I personally have flashed roms from all these great devs and sometimes I get one that says Sprint even though I'm with Verizon.
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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No they are both CDMA!! You need to get your facts straight.
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Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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The answer is, from beginning to end, changing carriers via changing ESN's is illegal in most places, and, as a result, has no real place on this forum.
I don't know if there's a section around that relates to changing ESN's for other purposes, but this kind of activity is not condoned, supported, or even allowed by posting rules to be posted here.
The Eris, technically, has all of the hardware and software necessary to run on Sprint, Cricket, and most other CDMA networks. Each network keeps close track of what Serial numbers it will allow to operate on their network. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but no it is not legal, and the details of the procedure (which I have no idea) are not going to be easily found here, and this thread will probably be closed, bearing the introduction of such a discussion.
I'm surprised how many useless threads people start these days.
Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?
flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)
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Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?
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We live in America. We are not free. We are slaves to the federal government and to the tax code. My $.02
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flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)
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Thanks, at least someone on this thread knows what they're talking about.
Changing ESNs is illegal because there's pretty much no reason to do it except to clone other people's phones (essentially stealing their accounts).
Changing ESNs would be like rewriting the magnetic strip on your credit card with someone elses.
Your problem is weather or not Sprint will let you register the ESN on their network. The phone is compatible. Verizon is keeping track of their ESNs. If a phone isn't one of their's they won't let it on thier network. I don't know about Sprit, but it's problable the same. So you are probably out of luck.
FYI, the diffence in a Rom displaying Verizon or Sprint it just in a text file. I has nothing to do with the running code. Many of the Eris 2.2 ROMs are a port from the Srint Hero. Someone just didn't update the file.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730289&highlight=cricket
This may help if you have not seen it, I flashed my eris to MetroPCS with this.
Thanks to viogrep for bringing some sanity to this thread.
If you want to explore a little, and you have the 1.49.2000 S-OFF bootloader on your phone, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9878143&postcount=8
You can have your bootloader dump your "mfg" partition to your SD card for inspection with a hex editor.
I'm no carrier-flashing expert, but I think that this "mfg" partition is pivotal in storing the carrier and PRL settings.
bftb0
PS The above mentioned thread also gives instructions for custom-booting Amon_RA so that you have privilege and access to any of the other "hidden" partitions on the phone.