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Attack of the Clones...

I am a big fan of the Tattoo for it's compact size and recently came across the following:
http://buyer.madeinchina.com/MicBuyer/turbine/template/product,product.vm?itemcode=11440289
Has anyone played with one of these? If so, I'd love to hear your stories as I decided for a chrissie present to myself, I'd buy a knock off phone. Apparently it is in the post and if anyone is interested, I'll set up a blog with unboxing pics and a rundown of the beast that lies within.
From the spec sheet, the obvious omission is GPS but aside from that it is/claims to be almost identical to the Tattoo.
So, once again, if anyone is interested in my little experiment, let me know and i'll keep everyone up to date once/if it arrives

Could be nice to see picture when u get it how its really looks and how it works.
Got an original Tattoo now for 3 months and i like it...
But many friends says to me be aware for fake China models but in the pictures in the link it really looks the same..
Keep us posted

Oh, such sweet sorrow
So unfortunately my venture into the realm of dodgy chinese knock off goods didn't go to far. I bought the phone, got confirmation and an email saying it had been sent.
Then began the the bait and switch tactic:
Basically the "hot chinese girl" seller claimed the tattoo was very unstable at the moment and offered an "S1" HTC Touch. Effectively, this phone was just a knock off of the original HTC touch.
This where it got interesting. Because the seller had marked the item as sent, I could not just cancel the order. Another series of messages were flicked back and forth between the seller and myself asking him/her (sceptical about her hotness) asking to cancel and the seller stalling. So I raised a "dispute" ticket with the madeinchina guys and they refunded my money the very next day.
So lesson learnt but kind of disappointed i never got my dodgy knock off phone. So as i effectively never lost the original money, I have used this as justification to buy a real tattoo.
I'm sure i'll be back on here a fair bit asking about about the best apps, any tips and tricks but I hope someone finds this amusing to read, as the whole thing was a bit of fun.

Probably flashing this device with an htc rom, it will make it a tattoo easily... but most of the sellers in china are not aware of "flashing" techniques, since they are just the producers of the product... but i'm pretty sure that it is much of a bargain

MiSSigNNo said:
Probably flashing this device with an htc rom, it will make it a tattoo easily... but most of the sellers in china are not aware of "flashing" techniques, since they are just the producers of the product... but i'm pretty sure that it is much of a bargain
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China Phones Bargain? Yeah right... More like Rip off

Depend where you buy it from... it cost me >$200 my tattoo... maybe in other places cost a lil bit more.

I tryed one!
I had a chinese crap copy it had a meltdown actualy it went in to flames. so stay away for the fake ones.
I will never buy a chinese phone again.
Greetings Cya.

Yeah, looks like a real one, but it's actually a fake.
Interesting note, though at the bottom of the page there's a HTC S1... Says "windows .1" - What the heck? Windows v0.1?
Steer away from clones, they are rubbish.. There's a iPhone clone and the iPod clone app on it just makes the phone crash, apparently.

I bought a "cheap" Daxian I909 to play with and
it worked exactly as advertised.It did however have
a problem when I recieved it in that it appeared to
be off frequency on transmit.
After researching RTOS(real time operating system)
which most of the non Windows MTK processors
in Chinese knock offs use,I found out how to get
into the "engineer mode" and manually adjusted the
freqs to suit my area works great now.
Overall it,s a cheap fone but I am still using it
after 6 months.

Calling on all hd2 owners for a petition to htc

I believe that owners of the HD2 might have all seen the USA version spec of the HD2, obably air their feelings about the hardware upgrade, I just got mine less than a week ago, and then to read on the web about bugs and updates for the HD2 from HTC, but to read that the US t-mobile customer will have a higher spec is frustrating to every HD2 owners.
So I suggest we all write in to HTC direct, even if their excuse is it's exclusive to the "t-mobile USA" only as they requested for it. I have written in already, but am just one among thousands of htc HD2 owners out there, so the more customer request or support on this topic, they are likely to respond into doing something.
Higher Ram, Rom and a 16Gb of storage card, compare to what we received and most of us saved up, got ourselves tied in to an contract with an air time provider and also had to pay for the device.
Simply stating that let us all write in or email in requesting for either an exchange when the USA launch their model, or they provider us with a suitable alternative.
So join me HD2 OWNERS in making a petition to HTC about our concerns, that we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
Sorry For Going on so long and any bad grammar or repetition.

Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
And also, I really have to question this statement...
manmute98 said:
...we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
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It was in no way, shape, or form a sacrifice for me to get the HD2 over a competitor's handset. It was an easy choice, and the correct one for me. There is no handset in the world right now that suits me better than the one I've got.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck

ok . sounds good .
BUT i dont think anything will happen , as far as receiving a new handset .
but i guess its worth a try .

Lol no wai, Im very happy with my hd2.
The usa hd2 will be beaten by another one in no time also.
Hi everybody

johncmolyneux said:
Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck
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Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
All am stating that for the same device but higher spec's we deserve more than what we paid for, in the space of how many months of launching the HD2 device.

Whilst HTC have stated to a number of that T-Mobile requested higher specification, it seems that all HD2's have 576Mb of RAM, its just not being shown and that theres a chance that we've also got the 1Gb flash, but time will tell on that... so no I wont be doing it either...

manmute98 said:
Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
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I obviously disagree on what makes something a different device. Besides, even if they did offer me one of these as a replacement for my "old" HD2, it wouldn't work properly in my country, so it would actually be a worse handset for me to have.
Anyway, like I said, good luck.

I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting. Here is one example of cross posting in an unrelated thread, I am sure there are others.

Poor HTC
My company wanted to buy 60 htc hd2, on my suggestion.
After the news of the new model with 1GB of ROM and the unknown upgrade to the OS WM7, there was a stop to purchase.
At this point waiting a few days for the evolution of the market (tonight Apple's presentation).
I think that the mail of HTC is not necessary, the market is merciless.
Poor HTC, today again of -0.41% (international market).
I think it should nevertheless provide a review of business manager.
Blaise

rlydiard said:
I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting.
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No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback

I am happy with my HD2. More than happy infact.
It is blistering fast and I have modded, prodded and firmware changed it to death. loving the customization.
Mind you the 16GB card would be nice!
other than that I am perfectly happy
GG

manmute98 said:
No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback
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Okay, sorry for thinking you were spamming...........
As for 16GB memory card, how can you blame HTC for that? I can go around Taipei and see the HD2 sold with differing sizes of memory cards in different places. Or maybe you would like to pick a bone with Taiwan Mobile, who carries the phone with 16 GB of flash memory. It is the dealer or carrier who decides the size of the memory card, not HTC.
And, there is nothing new in HTC offering different variations on one phone. They started out as an OEM manufacturer. Check the XDA Developers Wiki on HTC's history that can be seen through the products they manufactured through the years. I do not remember in the past when a phone had an upgrade with another carrier that it created such irrational rage in some.

i can not say that i'm unhappy with my hd2, i got mine in october from the uk and it would indeed be nice if htc would give free upgrades but wait and see what newer roms will bring!
and as long as every hd2 will get the wm7 upgrade (if it comes) i'm not that much concerned
maybe if got an other device by then anyways *g*
nevertheless i will write htc about the issue cause i want to know what their response is!

Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.

It's true
It's true, but but at least call HD3 !!!!!!!!!!!! ( this is marketing )
bye

I took my 386 into PC world the other day and they did a straight swap for a quad core 4.8GHz machine. They also apoligised for the fact that my PC only had 256MB RAM and gave me 8GB.

there's already a huge thread. so why don't go there and cry? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622734

so htc used us for beta testers and some of you are defending them?
no wonder they get away with it..
iphone sold 8.7 million devices in the christmas period..why did htc not try and get some of that market in the usa?
simple,they know the device was not working properly..

No, because it is no HD3.
And besides, we will probably get the HD3 half a year before the people in the US. That's only half a year later than their HD2. Does this give them the right to whine like little babies?
gabbs said:
so htc used us for beta testers and some of you are defending them?
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No, you whining little baby!
Our HD2 was produced half a year earlier. At that time, those chips probably simply weren't available or they were too expensive. The people in the US had to wait half a year longer than we did, now just let them enjoy their HD2. It's only natural that technology evolves with time.

freyberry said:
Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.
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sorry mate,if you don't want to discuss this and is very comfortable with your device you can always not click on threads that are discussing the topic..
don't come tell us to accept being testers for a device without agreeing to be such..

newbie N1 questions...

I am seriously considering paying $700 (or more) to buy a N1 from a guy where I live in Canada, or maybe getting one from Ebay.
My questions are:
*Jailbreaking, or rooting as I understand it's known in the Android world, is a must. I did it many times with my iPhones & never had any problems - and with the N1 it looks like this goes to a whole new level. But what are the chances of bricking the phone? With the iPhone there was always the feeling that if anything went wrong one could always do a restore with iTunes, but it was a such a solid OS so it was unlikely that would happen anyway. Is that the same with the N1? Is it 'easier' to brick it? Or is it like the iPhone: if one is careful and takes their time it really isn't a big deal.
*There are a lot of horror stories on here; dust under screens, bricked phones etc, how common is this? And if I do have any problems, will I be able to get a replacement or service from HTC even though I'm in Canada & did not get the phone through Google? I remember I bricked a RAZR a long time ago doing mods, it was sent for repair and they replaced it at no charge because they didn't know what was wrong with it. How common is something like this with the N1?
I'm a fool to spend $700+ on a phone, but then if something goes wrong with it either because of rooting or by no fault of my own, just to be out $700!!

If you a careful and don't act stupid with your phone i.e. yanking the battery when flashing a radio or SPL or flashing a radio or SPL not meant for your phone, then there is zero chance to brick your phone.
The second question is more or less the luck of the draw, if you are really worried about it, then you should wait a few weeks before rooting your phone to see if it will have any of those defects. Supposedly HTC will replace devices that have obvious hardware defects (dust under screen, dead pixels) not related to any sort of software even with an unlocked bootloader.

ok thanks
so even though I'm in Canada & did not buy it from Google, HTC will probably help me out?

Bryce2010 said:
ok thanks
so even though I'm in Canada & did not buy it from Google, HTC will probably help me out?
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I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you would need the original purchaser to handle warranty issues with HTC.

Go for it. You sound like you know what you're doing anyway.
Good luck x

$700? I'd probably buy one for you and ship it for a $100 profit...

For every horror story U read, there are thousands of positive recognitions!

galaxys said:
For every horror story U read, there are thousands of positive recognitions!
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Yea the people with problems are few. My N1 works perfectly I've had no issues.

ok thanks well that's what I wanted to hear. I am going to ask the guy that I think can sell one to me tomorrow here about the warranty...
uansari1 I may take you up on that offer!

"news hot off the press" Samsung holding back on new stocks

According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
ETA for new stocks are between Aug/Sep; which will most likely have a new firmware fix for those issues, which coincidentally it's about the same time they have planned to release Froyo too
Currently Samsung is only delivering to major cellphone carriers, independent cell phone vendors are on back order because of those issues.
Well there you go people, at least it's good to know that Samsung has actually admitted to the problems, and are fixing it before new stocks are released.

I really hope the issue is not with the hardware in the current units!

ed10000 said:
I really hope the issue is not with the hardware in the current units!
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If it is, they are going to get a flood of returns!

It would be nicer if they would say that it is a hardware problem, to exchange our phones with the new ones that don`t have any problems

if what you guys are saying is true, then i don't think Samsung will be selling the phones to AT&T, Bell, T-mobile, Orange and all those big guys carriers.
the only logical reason they continue to deliver it out to the big buys, and not the small ones, is because they know the big cell providers can deliver new firmwares OTA, but small vendors do not have such services, to prevent having a mix of good vs bad phones out in the market.

AllGamer said:
According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
ETA for new stocks are between Aug/Sep; which will most likely have a new firmware fix for those issues, which coincidentally it's about the same time they have planned to release Froyo too
Currently Samsung is only delivering to major cellphone carriers, independent cell phone vendors are on back order because of those issues.
Well there you go people, at least it's good to know that Samsung has actually admitted to the problems, and are fixing it before new stocks are released.
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Would be worth contacting a vendor like clove to see if this is true or not. I am sceptical, heard too many rumors and never anything directly from samsung about these gps issues etc .
I hope it is just a firmware issue and they aren't making changes to the hardware.. Someone will have to do a teardown and closely examine the chips but then.. how do you know if you have a "new" one or not..

padlad said:
If it is, they are going to get a flood of returns!
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But that's only if they publicly admit that there's a hardware flaw
azreil24 said:
It would be nicer if they would say that it is a hardware problem, to exchange our phones with the new ones that don`t have any problems
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I really hope it's just a software issue. I don't wanna spend weeks with no good phone in my hand while my SGS is sent for replacement

Kilack said:
Someone will have to do a teardown and closely examine the chips but then.. how do you know if you have a "new" one or not..
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firmware release version/date

so if it does turn out to be a hardware issue, then they cant not swap the phone over, that would be like comiting commercal suicide, as how many people in all honesty would want to keep there phone knowing full well ther is an issue that affects it and the main company refuse to do anything about it to existing owners, i for one would send it back to them in pieces in a box with i nice note telling them to go f*** themselves.
i actually did this to nokia once with a 8110 i was having issuse with (nokia had a offices in swindon at the time), and got a new one sent back, ok so it was the jap version they sent me but hell it was way better with its blue leds instead of green.
and no im not saying you all should do this, but im sure if everyone sent there phones back on mass.

i get a upgrade on the 13th and im gonna get a sgs would u guy say to wait a while than? cause i cant wait any long as im sooo excited

ghosty_uk said:
so if it does turn out to be a hardware issue, then they cant not swap the phone over, that would be like comiting commercal suicide, as how many people in all honesty would want to keep there phone knowing full well ther is an issue that affects it and the main company refuse to do anything about it to existing owners, i for one would send it back to them in pieces in a box with i nice note telling them to go f*** themselves.
i actually did this to nokia once with a 8110 i was having issuse with (nokia had a offices in swindon at the time), and got a new one sent back, ok so it was the jap version they sent me but hell it was way better with its blue leds instead of green.
and no im not saying you all should do this, but im sure if everyone sent there phones back on mass.
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You must be under a 1 year warranty at least anyway?

I sent an email to clove asking if they are able to get hold of more units or if samsung are not shipping anymore.

AllGamer said:
According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
ETA for new stocks are between Aug/Sep; which will most likely have a new firmware fix for those issues, which coincidentally it's about the same time they have planned to release Froyo too
Currently Samsung is only delivering to major cellphone carriers, independent cell phone vendors are on back order because of those issues.
Well there you go people, at least it's good to know that Samsung has actually admitted to the problems, and are fixing it before new stocks are released.
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Doesn't sound like Samsung has admitted anything if you can't even provide a source...

This reminds me a post from a Korean website that I saw few days ago.
There was a guy who represented himself as an employee working for
the company that makes system mainboard for Galaxy S, and he claimed
that there was a request from Samsung Electronics to make some change
in their product. I'm not sure if this guy is telling the true story or not, but
it might explain the shortage of new products....?

AllGamer said:
According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
ETA for new stocks are between Aug/Sep
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From a logistical point of view this makes no sense at all if the issue can be fixed by firmware/sw. If it can, delaying it would be useful but would probably be negative considering the lost sales due to no stock at stores.
Nah. Either this is FUD or - if true - means that the problem lies in the hardware implementation and a new board revision will start shipping soon. That is the only way that delaying production would make sense.
I can see the silver lining in this tho... with all the mess about the GPS and lag I have not bought my SGS so I still have the money. Ah. Take that Korea!

AllGamer said:
According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
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All without acknowledging whether the source is credible or not. It's possibly a mobile phone salesperson (I've seen salespeople say all sorts of dumb things because they were running out of stock). In fact, when I purchased my digital camera, I was told by the store they were the last store left with any, so wouldn't match prices with other stores. Well, I thought they were jokes, so walked 500 meters to another store and they did. And then the store near them did as well.
Unfortunately, we can only take this with a grain of salt..

AllGamer said:
According to a source of mine, new stocks for SGS i9000 8GB/16GB are in low supply because Samsung has acknowledge the GPS problem and lag issues people have been complaining about.
ETA for new stocks are between Aug/Sep; which will most likely have a new firmware fix for those issues, which coincidentally it's about the same time they have planned to release Froyo too
Currently Samsung is only delivering to major cellphone carriers, independent cell phone vendors are on back order because of those issues.
Well there you go people, at least it's good to know that Samsung has actually admitted to the problems, and are fixing it before new stocks are released.
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Link to the source

Well, i dont want to disappoint you guys, but since there are people out there saying that their GPS is working fine on their devices, myself included, I think that your problem is hardware-wise.
I have "flashed" my SGS GT-i9000 3 times with:
i9000XXJF3
i9000XWJM2
i9000XWJG5
and my GPS (using NAVIGON) was working flawlessly, getting a stable fix after max 2 minutes, while ALL data connections are disabled (wifi, network data, etc).
I even compared it with my brother's HTC Legend. Both phones got stable fix almost at the same time right after a cold start. Test was done using "GPS status" on both phones.
I am guessing that 99.9% it is a hardware problem. I hope (for your own good) not to be the case.

dragunov said:
Well, i dont want to disappoint you guys, but since there are people out there saying that their GPS is working fine on their devices, myself included, I think that your problem is hardware-wise.
I have "flashed" my SGS GT-i9000 3 times with:
i9000XXJF3
i9000XWJM2
i9000XWJG5
and my GPS (using NAVIGON) was working flawlessly, getting a stable fix after max 2 minutes, while ALL data connections are disabled (wifi, network data, etc).
I even compared it with my brother's HTC Legend. Both phones got stable fix almost at the same time right after a cold start. Test was done using "GPS status" on both phones.
I am guessing that 99.9% it is a hardware problem. I hope (for your own good) not to be the case.
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You should be hoping it isn't also as many people had the gps working fine then weeks later it went sour but anyway isnt that what warranties are for and consumer laws?

it's not always enough to just offer replacement.
I, for example, ordered my device from the UK, but i live far ways from there.
In case of a needed replacement, i will have to send it to the uk, wait for a new one to be sent here, and pay customs again.
That's a LOT of money.

Is the Atrix that Bad?

This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.

I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.

I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App

I have had ZERO problems with my phone out of the box. Same goes for 2 other people I know personally.
One just doesn't like Blur.
My brother used it as his primary computer since he got it and can't stop extolling the virtues of Webtop.
He's an IT professional and coordinated a 13+ site migration from one network to another ALL from the Laptop dock.
Some of the sites he was at didn't have wifi so he was using webtop over AT&T for his ONLY connection.
Said he spent more time trouble shooting his laptop the one day he forgot the charger for the Laptop Dock then he spent troubleshooting the phone or laptop dock for the entire 2 weeks.
If citrix is a big part of your life this phone could revolutionize your life.

No problems here. I haven't experienced any bugs except for the touch screen wigging out after a 12 second hold in one place.
It is a little disconcerting that Bell has decided to drop the price only a few weeks into launch. I hope the community stays strong because I intend on keeping it.

Ditto for me -- I'm using an unlocked AT&T version on Rogers network in Canada --- absolutely LOVE the phone. Came from a Galaxy-S, Captivate, and iPhone 4 before that.
This is the best one by far, and the best android implementation so far for me.

$0 on contract!?! holy ****. just get it!

KingKuba13 said:
This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.
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andy2na said:
I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.
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captaincanada84 said:
I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
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andy2na and captaincanada84 are right, some people will ***** just to *****. With that said, I have done my fair share of "complaining" but it's based on my opinion. You really can't go to a forum and ask people if you should buy something because you are going to get both sides of the fence. Just browse the forum and pay attention to what people are praising about and what people are complaining about and try to decide from that. It's really going to come down to YOUR preference.

I love my atrix.
My only problem is the facebook contact sync because of moto blur, I am having some issues with it not updating my contacts pictures.
Battery life is awesome I am sometimes in disbelief how long the battery lasts 1 day + with everything on and actually using the phone which is a must..
My phone doesn't randomly reboot I don't know about other people.
As for the locked bootloader I'm not in a rush. I have launcher pro and root so thats all I need.
Previous phones. G1, Nexus one, Dell Streak.

Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.

You just need to remember that nobody goes to a forum to state that everything is working perfectly, they only post when they have a problem. So, you have to keep that in mind.
I've been running my Atrix since it was first released and it's been very stable. My only issue is it seems to not like my AT&T microcell too much. I get dropped connections when on my microcell. Works fine eveywhere else. It's a huge improvement over my Nexus 1.

Also think about how many people are using the phone that don't read forums... So far I am extremely happy with this phone. I usually hate upgrading because there is always another phone better right around the corner, but you'll find yourself waiting forever in that case. My only dislike is the facebook integration in blur breaking contact syncing.
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Starholdest said:
Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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Yes, please tell. I know a lot of people looking for an Atrix right now and would kill for that. If I weren't on a great retention rate plan with Rogers I'd get that in a heartbeat.

Thanks for replies everyone.
I think a lot of the negativity is people trying to trash a new device or envy. Plus it gets popular to trash any locked phone these days.
I've been waiting to get this phone since it was announced. The 4" screen seems perfect in size. Had no problem looking at the pentile graphics.
Its just scary to see the price drop so fast, it rarely happens here in Canada unless something is a super flop like the Samsung Tab, idk.
But I'm mostly going to get it in a few days and hopefully there's a good future with it and developers on here. Always learn something new. Some people are just to lazy to play around with the phone to get the max out of it.
How is the overheating? It seemed rather warm at the store.

Starholdest said:
Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.

KingKuba13 said:
It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.
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Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott

Patience All devices are judged pretty harshly at the beginning.. You just got to reap from the benefits with a slashed price!

I'm completely happy with mine- it's fast, the screen is beautiful and it's got more internal storage than I need. If you're not a fan of motoblur, gingerblur will make you happy!
Go ahead and take the plunge.

Starholdest said:
Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott
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Its hard to believe they'll put it back to the original price after the "sale" with all the new other smartphones coming but who knows.
More worried about Bell taking forever with updates. This with 2.3 and then 2.4 will just scream.

i love this phone to death.
best phone i have ever had.
The ability to turn into a PC is the biggest plus. This phone has so much potential. Honestly what motorola does with the bootloader and such sucks, but so long as we can at least root/sideload, personally, I am completely fine with that.
Motorola also stated that every one of their phones in the future will have webtop. So I will be sticking with motorola android phones (specially once Tegra 3D comes out) for a while until a better company has a similar PC like feature embedded on the phone. Can't go wrong with the powerful atrix! Emulators and games run SO smooth... love it.