me no likey, especially being a leo user since April that was forced to sign an "unlimited" data plan...
unlimited to 5g...lol.
Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
hardly spazzing out, just a bit peeved that the answer to lack of towers is to alter the service I am paying for and deserve.
rightly so per my contract...
maybe allow previous contracts expire that were signed before the throttling?
nah, for my $300 phone, and mandatory $30 month plan I deserve to be punished for assuming that the netty netzorz would be "unlimited".
it's not as if I want a red ferrari or one night with Angelina Jolie er nuthin'.
(this phone sees more net tham my p.c. btw)
tmo since 2005.
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Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
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actually that's Tmo's answer to the problem instead of erecting more towers and honoring the contract I signed back in April...
"Sir, it's your fault we're too cheap to erect more towers, use less internet plz."
you missed your calling as a tmo phone jockey!
Agreed, we signed for a specific amount on our data plans. Now I hear I'm going to have half the data limit I signed for.
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Your data is still unlimited, you'll just be throttled to a slower speed once you exceed 5gb. So likely no different to the unlimited data you had before 3g was in existence.
I still think TMO's tiering/caping is the most reasonable in the industry. At least they aren't flat out cutting you off or hitting you up to pay for another 2gb bucket like other carriers. Though maybe an option to pay up to lift the cap would be a nice option for heavy users, but that might go down the slippery slope of them going that route and being like ATT rather than the throttling they are doing now
What would actually be nice is if they didnt just flat out throttle you at 5gb but throttle you with bursting ability. that way loading the quick email or light web page will still be snappy, but if you attempt any streaming or large downloads then you get throttled down.
What im curious about that hasn't been covered much is exactly what speed do you get throttled down to? do you still get 3g coverage, just throttled. or does the throttling turn off your ability yo use the 3g signals, leaving you stuck with edge coverage?
I may just have to test it out this billing cycle, and do some very large downloads the last couple days of my billing cycle and try to hit 5gb a couple days before my cycle resets and see just how bad it gets.
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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I recieved a text 3 days ago.
I browse the net, and post regularly on quite a few forums. The only thing I can think of that kills it is downloading the themes etc. from forums directly to the phone.
I checked my account and it reads 0 due to that pesky unlimited data plan, and tmo has no way of compiling my total usage into a nice round #. All they see on their system is my entire usage broken down into individual "visits" to the network. Yeah, I almost insisted that she break out the calcuator and get to addin'!
Like I said, they seem a bit out of their element having just launched this new system.
Not one rep could offer anything more than an apology for not having more info when I went through my list of straight forward, and comprehensive inquiries.
What bothers me, among other things is the lack of transparency on their part in the form of the inability to answer simple questions. How can I be sure that they are capping at 5gb, or find out what speed have I been lowered to?
For all I know they are making up the rules as we're plowing down this dark gravel road to unknown parts.
A free speedtest could offer better data than the company I am paying good money to, and that is pretty jacked up.
To answer your question, I have no idea how I hit 5gb 1 week shy of my billing cycle ending.
And with no way to keep tabs, it looks like my Leo will be collecting a bit more dust in the future...I'd hate to blow the cap 2 weeks in.
Youtube vids now take 4 min. to load a 56 sec. clip.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Dayum, you got me beat!
This is one competition where I really don't mind being last...
How is your browsing experience with the throttling applied?
kidrythm said:
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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If I left an area where service was solid, that would be one thing.
I am in K.C. where the service rivals Sprint's due to their "campus" being located here.
3 1/2 bars since day 1, another "issue" I have...
No movies (not til I pony up for coreplayer), and as far as music, the speaker sux bawls on the Leo and earbuds irritate me.
Just regular usage rivaling that of my average daily p.c. surfing was before I got my htc hd2 set up.
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Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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wow, thanks for posting.
"privates"?
being 11 years old is a confusing, and yet exciting time!
now run along the adults are talking.
Anyways, after that lasts dumb post. I agree with the others up top, with the data cap instated, you are still getting data, just at a slower rate. No where in your contract does it state that what speeds you will recieve using mobile data, only that your access to mobile data is unlimited.
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So is there a limit on how much data can be used on the "unlimited" android plan? I did a google search and there was one article I found that said 1GB was the limit? is that true?.. I know Iphone has around 5GB "unlimited" data?
Anyone?
When the Dream (G1) came out they lifted the 1GB cap and now I believe there's a 5GB soft cap.
So I just did a t mobile chat
So I just did a t mobile chat and this is what i got;
rob: what is the "unlimited" data cap per month?
_Marion M: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth; if your total usage exceeds 10GB (amount is subject to change; please periodically check T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle.
Like the response "rshemeld" got from his chat with Tmobile there is no cap to our Unlimited data plans like other providers may have.
We "Throttle Down" data transfer speeds after 10GB is exceeded during a bill cycle but there is still no overage charges (with all newer features). To this day I have talked to ONE person that has reached the 10GB throttling point during a bill cycle. On 3G network they were experiencing EDGE like speeds to give you an example of how much it is/can be throttled down.
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Like the response "rshemeld" got from his chat with Tmobile there is no cap to our Unlimited data plans like other providers may have.
We "Throttle Down" data transfer speeds after 10GB is exceeded during a bill cycle but there is still no overage charges (with all newer features). To this day I have talked to ONE person that has reached the 10GB throttling point during a bill cycle. On 3G network they were experiencing EDGE like speeds to give you an example of how much it is/can be throttled down.
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I just moved over from Verizon where i was a customer for many years. I fell in love with TMOUS HTC HD2 Leo at first sight. I asked the tmobile rep if "unlimited" really meant unlimited and she said yes, i asked her if there was any asterisk subtext or any LIMITS/restriction to this plan - still she replied 'no', now I get a message from tmobile saying that I have gone over 10gb data and that they would be throttling my plan down to 50kbs for the remainder of this billing cycle!
I am considering returning the device and canceling due to being misled. I made the sales rep say 3 times "unlimited and without restriction" yet now I slow crawl the web!
Sales and z marketing have to stop using catch words that simply aren't true like "free", "unlimited" and "satisfaction guaranteed"!
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I just moved over from Verizon where i was a customer for many years. I fell in love with TMOUS HTC HD2 Leo at first sight. I asked the tmobile rep if "unlimited" really meant unlimited and she said yes, i asked her if there was any asterisk subtext or any LIMITS/restriction to this plan - still she replied 'no', now I get a message from tmobile saying that I have gone over 10gb data and that they would be throttling my plan down to 50kbs for the remainder of this billing cycle!
I am considering returning the device and canceling due to being misled. I made the sales rep say 3 times "unlimited and without restriction" yet now I slow crawl the web!
Sales and z marketing have to stop using catch words that simply aren't true like "free", "unlimited" and "satisfaction guaranteed"!
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It is unlimited. You didn't get to 10gb and then all of a sudden get shut off. You got restricted from full access, however you are still able to use 3g networks without any limit.
Sorry, but if you want to beat these reps, you have to use correct vocabulary. Why would they tell you data usage can be restricted if you don't ask while they're trying to sell you a phone and slam you into a contract? That's just bad business.
Also, 10gb is A LOT. Especially for simple web-browsing and app downloading. If you want to download a HUGE file, wait until you get wifi. It's faster anyways.
Oh, you're not going to be able to cancel without a heavy fee just because you claim to have been "mislead." I agree with you, the rep SHOULD have told you, but then they wouldn't have gotten a commission.
Im in Georgia, i have gone over 10gb and they have not said or charged me anything, i didnt see a change in speed anyways, so i would say UNLIMITED SPEED/DATA.
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Im in Georgia, i have gone over 10gb and they have not said or charged me anything, i didnt see a change in speed anyways, so i would say UNLIMITED SPEED/DATA.
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That's what you would say. However, it DOES get cut down, whether you say it does or doesn't. So, you are wrong.
Oh but I can cancel as I am brand newwith tmous. I have 14 days under new contact and can cancel 100% without any penalty.
while I didn't specifically mention 10gb as a number, I did ask her if d/l massive amounts of data are there ANY restrictions or penalties, to which shereplied, "no".
An equal analogy would be to rent a hotel room that comes with an included shower that suddenly reduces from spray to a drip 10 minutes into the shower. With soap in your eyes and hair, you'd be none too happy as well, but am I going to check out??
I gave her every opportunity to "fess up" with a disclaimer, I even asked her about restrictions or disclaimers but got no warnings. As this is a brand new device on a brand new network (to me anyway), I wanted to put it to the test - streaming music, videos, d/l apps etc. This will not be my typical monthly usage.
Why not call this the 10gb data plan rather than unlimited?
you must work in Sales or you would agree that todays marketing lingo is intentionally misleading - especially since you mentioned her commission.
Will I check out? Probably not, but it'll be probably 3 weeks or so until the shower works right again. I guess I just needed to rant and advise others what CAN happen...
I spend all day every day on my phone at work (lots and lots of downtime) and I've never come anywhere near 10GB. Tethering isnt technically legal, so if you're doing that, you have nothing to complain about since you're breaking the rules anyway.
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Oh but I can cancel as I am brand newwith tmous. I have 14 days under new contact and can cancel 100% without any penalty.
while I didn't specifically mention 10gb as a number, I did ask her if d/l massive amounts of data are there ANY restrictions or penalties, to which shereplied, "no".
An equal analogy would be to rent a hotel room that comes with an included shower that suddenly reduces from spray to a drip 10 minutes into the shower. With soap in your eyes and hair, you'd be none too happy as well, but am I going to check out??
I gave her every opportunity to "fess up" with a disclaimer, I even asked her about restrictions or disclaimers but got no warnings. As this is a brand new device on a brand new network (to me anyway), I wanted to put it to the test - streaming music, videos, d/l apps etc. This will not be my typical monthly usage.
Why not call this the 10gb data plan rather than unlimited?
you must work in Sales or you would agree that todays marketing lingo is intentionally misleading - especially since you mentioned her commission.
Will I check out? Probably not, but it'll be probably 3 weeks or so until the shower works right again. I guess I just needed to rant and advise others what CAN happen...
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Good, I would get out of a contract. They're no good.
10gb data plan would be misinterpreted by the common public. People would think they would ONLY get 10gb to use a month, and you'd be surprised how many people think 10gb is very little. Talking data usage on a cellphone, that's PLENTY with PLENTY to spare. I don't use HALF of that a month with constant internet usage. Also, many people would go run off to another cellphone company that says unlimited but cuts down download speed after 500mb of data usage. Its all in marketing. Besides, doesn't "unlimited data" plan sound better than "data plan where you use 10gb and then it gets cut down to half of your regular download speed but you'll still have access to data usage" plan?
Maybe the rep didn't know, maybe they were trying to make their commission. It is in the fine print somewhere, though.
Using tethering I've been getting to 10GB every month for about the last 4 or 5. They just lower your download speed to 50kb/s, although it still tells you you're at 3G speeds. Other than that though there is no "cap" where they cut your data plan altogether.
No, I was not tethered. I did however d/l lots of movie torrents via wmtorrent. Next time will use wifi when I can but I dont have as pc or wifi-I piggyback on unsecured, public nets.
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Using tethering I've been getting to 10GB every month for about the last 4 or 5. They just lower your download speed to 50kb/s, although it still tells you you're at 3G speeds. Other than that though there is no "cap" where they cut your data plan altogether.
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I never tether, that's probably why I never get close to cap. Always too slow for me.
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No, I was not tethered. I did however d/l lots of movie torrents via wmtorrent. Next time will use wifi when I can but I dont have as pc or wifi-I piggyback on unsecured, public nets.
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THAT'S what caused you break the cap. They probably took hours, too.
Was that last comment an attempt at being a smart ass? o.o
Sorry, no disrespect nor smarta$$ remarks intended towards anyone - apologies if I was misunderstood by anyone.
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Sorry, no disrespect nor smarta$$ remarks intended towards anyone - apologies if I was misunderstood by anyone.
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Nah, it's just hard to tell on the internet.
so u just used it for less than 14 days n u have 10gb usage? wow...!!!
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Oh but I can cancel as I am brand newwith tmous. I have 14 days under new contact and can cancel 100% without any penalty.
while I didn't specifically mention 10gb as a number, I did ask her if d/l massive amounts of data are there ANY restrictions or penalties, to which shereplied, "no".
An equal analogy would be to rent a hotel room that comes with an included shower that suddenly reduces from spray to a drip 10 minutes into the shower. With soap in your eyes and hair, you'd be none too happy as well, but am I going to check out??
I gave her every opportunity to "fess up" with a disclaimer, I even asked her about restrictions or disclaimers but got no warnings. As this is a brand new device on a brand new network (to me anyway), I wanted to put it to the test - streaming music, videos, d/l apps etc. This will not be my typical monthly usage.
Why not call this the 10gb data plan rather than unlimited?
you must work in Sales or you would agree that todays marketing lingo is intentionally misleading - especially since you mentioned her commission.
Will I check out? Probably not, but it'll be probably 3 weeks or so until the shower works right again. I guess I just needed to rant and advise others what CAN happen...
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jonze5 said:
so u just used it for less than 14 days n u have 10gb usage? wow...!!!
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He downloaded movie torrents. Those are about 700mb - 800mb for just .avi.
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He downloaded movie torrents. Those are about 700mb - 800mb for just .avi.
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That's the.avi, if it was torrent's he was downloading, .torrent files are only a few kb each!
Didn't know they throttle you at 10 gb but its good to know that it really is unlimited data.
I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data usuage. Meaning that they are going to cut it back or limit it somehow. That sounds like they following the AT&T route, to me.
I don't own an Evo yet, but my father has one. I was thinkn about switching back to Sprint. I haven't been with them in almmost 10yrs. They didn't have any unlimited plan back then. Anyways, lol, Sprint has good deals and unlimited plans now. I'm soo stuck on what I want to do. Either wait for Dell Streak on my current carrier, AT&T, or jump ship to Sprint and get the new EVO. My father loves the fact of being able to video chat thru Fring, which I put him on to. . Lol. He said it wrks great. So I'm at a crossroads of what I want to get. Then now sprint talkin bout cutting back data. Damn. I need unlimited, like I have now. I stay with carrier, I'm grandfathered in, as far as unlimited data goes. Even if I upgrade to the dell streak. I'm worried now that sprint gonna end their unlimited data. So I guess I better hurry in decide b4 the transition takes effect.
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I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data usuage. Meaning that they are going to cut it back or limit it somehow. That sounds like they following the AT&T route, to me.
I don't own an Evo yet, but my father has one. I was thinkn about switching back to Sprint. I haven't been with them in almmost 10yrs. They didn't have any unlimited plan back then. Anyways, lol, Sprint has good deals and unlimited plans now. I'm soo stuck on what I want to do. Either wait for Dell Streak on my current carrier, AT&T, or jump ship to Sprint and get the new EVO. My father loves the fact of being able to video chat thru Fring, which I put him on to. . Lol. He said it wrks great. So I'm at a crossroads of what I want to get. Then now sprint talkin bout cutting back data. Damn. I need unlimited, like I have now. I stay with carrier, I'm grandfathered in, as far as unlimited data goes. Even if I upgrade to the dell streak. I'm worried now that sprint gonna end their unlimited data. So I guess I better hurry in decide b4 the transition takes effect.
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That is all rumor, the picture isnt even the entire article. The terms and conditions already have data throttling in it, it says anything over 5GB would be throttled on any mifi/modem/phone as modem plans. NOTHING about the EVO 4g being throttled, other than the Engadget article gear twards it.
According to the Terms and Conditions online they already have it in there that they can limit any phone as modem data > 5GB a month. It also says that they CAN AND WILL change any plan data/service/ anything at any time, but scrolling down further says that if any change adversely affects you, you may call in and cancel without ETF's within 30 days of notice.
Right now, you really can't beat the EVO in terms of features.
As far as cost goes, I would say it is on par with most of the other carriers, give or take 10 dollars/mo.
I guess it really boils down to how good of service you are getting.
I just switched over from Tmo after 10 years, I think they were resting on their laurels. I don't have one bad thing to say about Tmo though. But I really had to have the EVO and it was worth the $10 dollars a month "Premium". After all is said and done, its about the same price as my G1 in terms of contract costs.
One bonus is that I will probably be able to drop my Brighthouse cable in a few month when 4G hits this area. I know there is rumors about a Cap, but I was told it was unlimited and that was the whole point of the extra 10 dollars month.
My Tmo plan was $89.99 for Unlimited Everything and My current Sprint Plan is $69.99 + $10 Premium (Only 450 Minutes to Landlines). Its a little awkward, but realistically, it works out for me. And If I find the real need for more landlines minutes, then it will just put me back on par with Tmo.
I just hope their service has improved from times past. I know Sprint and Nextel get no love around these parts (Tampa, FL).
I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data us
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That is all rumor, the picture isnt even the entire article. The terms and conditions already have data throttling in it, it says anything over 5GB would be throttled on any mifi/modem/phone as modem plans. NOTHING about the EVO 4g being throttled, other than the Engadget article gear twards it.
According to the Terms and Conditions online they already have it in there that they can limit any phone as modem data > 5GB a month. It also says that they CAN AND WILL change any plan data/service/ anything at any time, but scrolling down further says that if any change adversely affects you, you may call in and cancel without ETF's within 30 days of notice.
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Thnkx for clearing that up. Now I know the details. I have a feelin ima be jumping ship soon. Iphone4 is cool but not cooler thn Evo. ;-) I now need 4 in. Or betta..lmao.
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I just hope their service has improved from times past. I know Sprint and Nextel get no love around these parts (Tampa, FL).
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I'm in Tampa and I am mostly in the Brandon, Plant City, and Temple terrace areas and I can tell you I am loving sprint. I switched from TMO with my Nexus One. I had decent 3g with TMO but not everywhere and when I did have 3g average was getting 500 - 600kbps on average and never above 1100kbps. Well since switching to sprint not once have I dropped 3g and I average 800 to 1100kbps and occasionally I will hit 2200 - 2400kbps. From my experience Sprint 3g is a lot faster than TMO and much better signal in the area.
Throttling is better than overage charging. I'd be really surprised if their limit is the same as AT&T's before overages (2GB). I'm holding out hope that they'll stick to 5GB.
Also, I bet the throttling cap is either higher on 4G or non-existent.
I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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i totally agree with you!
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i totally agree with you!
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But I did sign up for unlimited... Though I do agree with sprints throttling, only if it starts at 5gb+ for 3g and they remove the overage charges for 5gb+
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But I did sign up for unlimited... Though I do agree with sprints throttling, only if it starts at 5gb+ for 3g and they remove the overage charges for 5gb+
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Engadget updated the article and its only regarding business accounts where the businesses want to slow down excessive use on their employees
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I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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i totally agree with you!
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It's true what they say... great mind's think alike
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Engadget updated the article and its only regarding business accounts where the businesses want to slow down excessive use on their employees
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God I hate Engadget
They had better have a ....accurate display for the data measurer. Maybe new phones will having a shocking synaptic feedback. .. the more data, the more voltage..
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They had better have a ....accurate display for the data measurer. Maybe new phones will having a shocking synaptic feedback. .. the more data, the more voltage..
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But think of the battery life! i don't want to it already hurts so bad, and it'll hurt 2x if i got shocked and because of that battery life took a dive
Yep re-read their article about it. I hands down owned them in their speculation and they then updated their article. Engadget blows.
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Yep re-read their article about it. I hands down owned them in their speculation and they then updated their article. Engadget blows.
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remind me to not trust anything engadget says anymore, they have had more and more false posts lately
All Engadget did was post a REAL picture with REAL clauses from the Sprint service agreement. All the hoopla was caused by tools who think with their emotions instead of their brains. *cough*
Sorry...but stupid opinion
You either offer unlimited and honor it or like ATT cap it. It is a rip off when you label it "unlimited" and then throttle it.
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I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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Personally, I would much prefer to have my data speed throttled (after reaching the 5gb cap) than to be charged extra to go over it. Perhaps have this as a choice, though, for those who need the extra speed? Seems like a much better option to me rather than only having 2GB and getting charged twice as much to go over it (even slightly).
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You either offer unlimited and honor it or like ATT cap it. It is a rip off when you label it "unlimited" and then throttle it.
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Um, every cellular carrier in the US caps their data usage. Ever since the inclusion of unlimited data plans, they've all been capped at 5GB/month, up until AT&T decided it would be "smarter" to lower the cap to 2GB (while barely lowering prices - half the usage should be HALF THE PRICE, MORONS).
They use the term "unlimited" as a PR term, not a literal one. When was the last time you hit 5GB on a cell phone? You really have to work at it, or try to replace your home internet service with it. It's practically unlimited, because it's such a hard gate to hit.
It's like Boost Mobile claiming to have unlimited web; sure, it's unlimited, but good luck using it.
Just a thought I had today, but since the $10 fee did seem to come out of no where, but sometime after they said the 4G would be free at CITA, and since they haven't expressly said it was for the 4G data...
Perhaps, they knew the first batch of phones were going to have the screen problem, as well as other problems, but they found out after they had several thousand/hundred thousand made, thus knowing they were going to have to replace a hell of a lot of phones within a month or two and with this so-called "Prem Data Fee" they could regain some of the money for replacing all the early adopters phones.
I don't have the screen problem...yet, but I'm going to be exchanging mine because the speaker is half blown or something in the earpiece.
Any takers on the idea?
Doubt it, but it's definitely an excuse to pad their pockets a bit more, since Sprint has the lowest margins across all post-paid providers.
I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it) Honestly this 3g is really fast, faster than verizon and t-mobile thus far (speed test prove it). I get better signal is area that my verizon phone does, but that might because its a storm 2 ()
Interesting theory, but I think it's a bit far fetched. I truly think the $10 is for unrestricted data usage, which I am thoroughly enjoying.
I for one hope they plan to use the extra money to strengthen and expand the 4G coverage.
It is a little bit far-fetched, but you never know. Last minuet stuff always happens and companies might make drastic measures to compensate themselves.
It was just a thought, especially since they've never actually said the fee was for the data, it's for the phone experience, which directly links it to the phone, if you go by what they say the fee is for.
why is everybody obsessed with this fee
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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Strung you are boosting the IQ of the forum with answers like these
Lord knows we need all the help we can get since I'm on here bringing us down
Probably the same ideology as to why AT&T ditched the unlimited data plan right before or when the iPhone 4 was announced.
Sprint needs customers and since the EVO is going to be one major source of income and/or data usage...they probably decided to implement a fee for unlimited 3G/4G data usage while keeping the unlimited plan available. When you think of Sprint, you immediately think "SIMPLY UNLIMITED EVERYTHING!"
What I say or think really doesn't matter...the $10 fee is mandatory so there is no use in trying to fight it or be sneaky about trying to get out of paying it.
I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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But why? According to AT&T, a majority of its customers wouldn't even come close to the 2GB cap and do not need unlimited data
I was always under the assumption for the charge that you can hook the evo up to any computer via usb and use it for internet access.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it)...QUOTE]
That's exactly what Dan Hesse said the fee was for.
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Well, just an update...
The Sprint store said that my speaker was wacko for sure, and when I checked the other two phones we have tonight, both of their screens are raising up. What find strange is, mine got 10x the usage over the last week than the other two did and mine doesn't have the screen problem...yet.
Anyhow, I guess Sprint will be sending us 3 new phones.
i am rooted using wifi tether and i dont feel the least bit bad for it.. they are going to screw me for an extra 10 bucs a month im going to get my monies worth..... take that sprint.
I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
Thank goodness I don't pay it... well not really. 10$ off from the IO conference.
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I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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I got the phone for the hardware, and android. I want to go to T-Mobile for the HD2, but it lacks the 8mp camera, no WiFi tether, and WinMo, yuck. I understand the fee in 4g areas, but they can't justify the fee for any other area. Call/email them, they sound like idiots trying to explain why we're being charged $10. "Rich data experience" (3g network?), "1ghz processor", "YouTube hd", "android operating system" are all the reasons I have gotten. I can provide email proof. The fee is a scam, not premium data.
Hey guys, like you, even though we have to manually do alot to get our HD2's in perfect condition. I wanted to hip you all to something that I'm currently taking advantage of, which is saving me major money each month.
Went to Wal-Mart on the lauch date of the infamous HD2, and paid full price for one, thinking that it would end up saving me money in the long run, because I had my own equiptment, therefore, I wasn't under a 2 year aggreement for T-Mobile.
Went to the T-Mobile store to get setup with service. Deciding on getting the T-Mobile unlimited everything plan (voice,sms,data) it ended up costing me around $92 a month (including taxes, fee's, and the $5 discount). So, I began thinking, "this is not the significant discount I was looking for". I asked the salesman what was the benefit of me purchasing this phone outright, he told me that if I got the same package and features, with the phone discount, under contract, it would cost me around $120-$130 a month. I began to seek other options to lower my bill. However, I was hesitant to lower anything, because I did one time, and got fuked over with crazy overage charges! I even thought about switching it over to AT&T, but then realized I'd be loosing out on the high speed data, because of the incompatibilities of the 3G radios between the 2 networks (and who wants edge speed on a smartphone these days!).
Then I did some research and found out about Simple Mobile, this is a Virtual carrier of T-Mobile (like how Virgin is to Verizon, and Boost is to Sprint). Anyway, after a couple of emails, and phone calls, I decided to make the switch. I found a nearby retailer (or u can check them out online) And I never looked back!
I now play EXACTLY $60 a month, for unlimited everything (voice,sms,data). And I was able to port and keep my same number. While this is truly great in of itself. Another great feature is because it's still a subsiary of T-Mobile, I didn't have to software unlock the HD2 at all. It was literally a matter of taking the old Sim card out and putting the new one in. The only thing that I did have to reconfig was the internet settings and the MMS settings to be able to have those 2 things function correctly. (which is very easy, I provided a link to the instructions below)
Instructions on changing internet settings and MMS settings.
http://www.mobile-files.us/showthread.php?2245-HD2-wap-mms-settings-for-SimpMo
The internet is exactly the same, I'm still getting the H icon at the top, with about 4 MB sec speeds. Call quality and range is the same, and so is the txting features. Because it's using the same T-Mobile towers as before. (which T-Mobile is very good, in Costa Mesa, CA )
Don't know about you all, but especially in these times, when money is tight, I have to really buckle down to budget and plan for big ticket items. So when I spend $400+ on a device. I truly want to be able to see more of the savings, in the long run. And thats how I cut my bill in half! They even offer plans at $30 and $40 if you don't want or need unlimited data for your phone, therefore saving your even more money.
This may not help some of you guys out there, but if your like me, and not in a contract, or you may be in a contract, and thinking this may be a better route for you in the long run (make sure you do your math beforehand, and make sure your savings outweigh your ETF from T-Mobile) I just wanted to let you know, that you do have an option out there.
Simple Mobile
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/
Hope it helps!
Eddie
so are you truly getting 3g speed? this sounds promising.
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so are you truly getting 3g speed? this sounds promising.
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Yes sir, I sure am, it displays the H icon, so I know its the HSDPA speed, which is alittle faster then 3G...however, i'm not sure if its the new HSDPA+ that you might have been hearing lately. I say that because, I dont believe WM have a status icon to show you that (because the technology is so new), so my theory is that, IF the HD2 supports it, AND its is getting the HSDPA+ signal, it'll still show the H icon at the top right of the device. But to answer your question, its DEFINITELY gets the high speed, because its still using the same towers!
I have friend that works in one of those smokes, cell, and gun stores and he has been trying to get me into this program.
It's good to go and legit.
Unfortunately I am only 6 months into my new 2 year contract...had to for my $190 Leo.
dangit.
I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
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I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
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So your saying their "Unlimited Everything Talk, Text & Web" plan, which is labeled as "New", is not actually unlimited?
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So your saying their "Unlimited Everything Talk, Text & Web" plan, which is labeled as "New", is not actually unlimited?
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http://consumerist.com/2010/07/simple-mobile-unlimited-data-plan-is-of-course-secretly-limited.html
http://www.prepaidreviews.com/blog/mvno/simple-mobile-limits-unlimited-data-plan-36148/
Both reported and the end of July of this year.... so unless something has changed in 3 months time, NO it is not unlimited.
I was suckered into a new mobile phone plan with a new company called Simple Mobile. They are a T-mobile MVNO (essentially a reseller) claiming to offer UNLIMITED talk, text, and data for $60/mo.
The reality is... Their $60 plan is NOT unlimited. When you hit 1000MB in one month your data service is simply terminated without warning.
They will offer to sell you an additional 100MB for $10. This policy is not stated anywhere on their website. If you call or write and complain, they will simply tell you to go elsewhere and will not provide any refund.
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I mean really............. just think about it for a minute, do you really think T-Mobile is going to allow another company to use their network and infrastructure all the while having them undercut their own prices too.....not to mention the toll and expense of all pushing out all that bandwidth at "unlimited" rates.
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I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
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All I can do , is speak from my experience. Since having this service, I KNOW that I used more than 1GB (stream music all day, watch YouTube, use it for general internet browsing, and logging into my Orb media server at home, and streaming TV from my PC). So I would definitely consider myself a above average data user, and have not once, been capped or throttled (trust, I would be *****ing and complaining, with everyone else). I've even checked my usage online to see it and its a little under 2Gigs of data transfer, and everything is ok. I not sure if maybe I have a magic bean, VIP, IMEI on my device (joke-e-joke ) , which is given unlimited data usage, without penalty, or maybe they've modified their contract and upped the data usage cap or something. Again, I can only speak from my personal experiences, within the last 3 months, reguarding my device and service. I don't use my phone for tethering, but I do consider myself a heavy data usage user and not had any problems regarding their quality of service thus far.
Get rid of the unlimited voice and txt, then with this guide I wrote:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19619155#post19619155
You can cut your phone bill even more sharply. I'm paying about ~$20/month right now depending on my voice usage when out and about.
i got a text today that im att top 5% data user so they slowed down my data speed to like 3g wtf is this legal
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I have been throttled for the last 2 weeks now. I think its a bunch of BS and now most of my apps barely work now cuz my speeds are so low. I tried to contact a class action law firm and it wouldn't even send cuz my speeds are so low at times. I'll try again today but I personally don't think its legal
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Fwiw, i was throttled 3 weeks into my billing period. My usage was 1.7 gigabytes (remember, over the first3 weeks of the billing cycle) at that point.
My normal down speeds range 1.5-4mbps. Now, I am throttled down to 150kbps.
Like the last poster, lots of apps are unusable and essentially has left me without data for most uses besides basic weboage viewing. This has happened the last 3 months and I have reduced my usage in fear of this the last 2. I think its BS that Im being throttled for 1.7 gigabytes of use 3/4s of the way through my billing period and I expect to just keep getting throttled every month til I disconnect att.
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1.7 gig, that's crazy
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Before you go calling in the calvalry, I recommend reading your terms of service.. Not the ones that GayT&T gave you when you signed up, but the ones that currently apply. They always put a clause in there stating they can change the rules and whatnot you agree on, so get the latest. THEN.. have a law-savvy individual give it a once-over. These companies change their terms in order to "improve services" for everyone. This means that they may want to throttle your bandwidth in order to provide more to others while they enhance their network coverage. Basically, their network is flooded and overwhelmed with traffic and they cant keep up.. However, in my opinion, they have way more money than us and can make these upgrades as needed. Stating they cannot is basically saying "we want more money and dont care till we lose customers". I have ran into this rut a few times with cellular providers, and I honestly see no way to easily deal with it besides getting service with no contract. Providers dislike this, but it opens new means to reasonable service over time as masses change service. And as far as a lawsuit, if you find the nugget of gold to get you to win, screw a class-action lawsuit. Do it yourself with a lawyer, because it's a huge gamble either way, but the payoff will be significantly more doing it solo... Or, you can go with a class-action suit and get 10 bucks out of it. At least your point would get across..
I was also in the to 5% the last two months and am throttled. There is a thread about this in every att phone forum on xda. Total bull**** is what it is.
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wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.
**** att and they're dirty business practices. Anyone with unlimited data is getting emails about being in the top 5% of data usage and then throttle us to the point where the phone is useless. There response is use wifi, wtf I'm suppose to stay home when i use my phone? I will be joining the class action law suit with many other pissed off customers.
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Here is your Ferrari sir with unlimited gas. You can only drive it 5 miles per hour though.
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im going to sprint f*** this they getting the nexus
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wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.
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I'm pretty sure Throttling is only for unlimited users. If you go over your 200 MB they'll happily charge you the overage and keep serving more.
As an aside, if you're on the 200 MB plan you can go online and change your data plan for the billing period when you go over and backdate it to the beginning of the month. then change it after the billing cycle is up.
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Here is your Ferrari sir with unlimited gas. You can only drive it 5 miles per hour though.
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A better ananlogy would be, "you can drive it as fast as you want for the first 5 miles."
I don't see a class-action suit being successful here. The contract is for unlimited data, not for unlimited data at maximum speed. If AT&T can show that a small percentage of users are using an extraordinarily high percentage of overall bandwidth, throttling may be seen as a legitimate answer to improve overall network performance.
Although, a case like this would never make it to trial. AT&T would settle and anybody who was throttled will likely get a couple dollars. AT&T would continue to throttle.
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wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.
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im going to sprint f*** this they getting the nexus
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Sprint has the WORST coverage of all of the carriers (I tried them ALL last year), at the very least in my area they are the worst. Also, dont buy into there lies about not throttling, SPRINT THROTTLES there is no doubt about that. Also Sprint advertises a good price, but its also a lie, they charge an extra $10 that they don't mention just because. There unlimited plan costs $100+ (regardless of what they advertise, when you get the bill you will see I assure you, I have been there) and on Att I pay slightly less than $100 for much better service. I am not always happy with Att, in fact most of the time I am unhappy with them, but I'm definitely not going to take a step back to Sprint, a more expensive service with less coverage. At least when Att lies they use some inventive techniques like "The Atrix is capable of HSPA", thats not a lie, but it seams unethical. When Sprint lies they just flat out lie. They lie about their prices. They lie about throttling. The CEO goes on thier commercials and straight up lies to the whole country saying they don't throttle, then tells Forbes the truth. Hopefully you hear my warning and avoid Sprint like the plague, but if you choose to do business with them you will see for yourself soon enough.
mandrsn1 said:
A better ananlogy would be, "you can drive it as fast as you want for the first 5 miles."
I don't see a class-action suit being successful here. The contract is for unlimited data, not for unlimited data at maximum speed. If AT&T can show that a small percentage of users are using an extraordinarily high percentage of overall bandwidth, throttling may be seen as a legitimate answer to improve overall network performance.
Although, a case like this would never make it to trial. AT&T would settle and anybody who was throttled will likely get a couple dollars. AT&T would continue to throttle.
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Agreed.
stewartsoda said:
I'm pretty sure Throttling is only for unlimited users. If you go over your 200 MB they'll happily charge you the overage and keep serving more.
As an aside, if you're on the 200 MB plan you can go online and change your data plan for the billing period when you go over and backdate it to the beginning of the month. then change it after the billing cycle is up.
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I agree they are only throttling the unlimited users. I had that problem till I switched plans (actually they forced the switch, but that is another long thread in itself). Once I got to a metered plan, they stopped throttling, and were more than happy to charge for data overages.
ATT still thinks that customer service is to give you as little as possible based on their outdated infastructure instead of updating\modernizing and providing the customer what they want. They still can't figure whether to update their existing equipment for 3g, or go with LTE, so they are trying to do both. Two years now they been touting 3g and still have about the slowest data speeds, nowhere near what the 3g is supposed to be.
If we as individuals had the power to sue them, they would be more inclined to attempt to meet customer demands and stop the false advertising. Thank congress for taking away the right to sue.
So they offer a 2GB plan and a 4GB plan, and then they turn around and try and claim that someone using less than 2GB is among the top 5%!?
I call BS on that and that could be the only hope for a class action suit; make at&t prove the data usage they claim. With netflix and youtube and all sorts of streaming services there is no way that 1.7GB puts you in the top 5%.
By the way, I'm at 1.8GB about halfway through my billing period on normal usage for me and I have never been throttled yet.
martinisadork said:
By the way, I'm at 1.8GB about halfway through my billing period on normal usage for me and I have never been throttled yet.
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It's top 5% in your market. I feel sorry for those in retirement communities.
thats what really gets me going about some of these carriers, i'm on a unlimited plan with verizon but am careful not to overdo it, keep hearing cases of people getting throttled etc...its seems to me unlimted should never be limited, perhaps we need to hand them a dictionary
rquinn19 said:
It's top 5% in your market. I feel sorry for those in retirement communities.
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what happens if you travel alot?
gammite said:
what happens if you travel alot?
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I'm assuming it's still your home market and I'm guessing that has something to do with the FCC and how they are getting away with it. There's a lot of rules that pertain to your market. I read a little about it when trying to port two lines over that were from different markets. Couldn't happen, was only able to keep one of the numbers.
I had the same problem a few months back.
Speculation from a lower division rep is that they're trying to push everyone who has the unlimited data to tier plans because as far as I know, a lot of users with unlimited who have gotten the top 5% warning in the past are getting capped around 2GB
I spoke with an upper division rep and this is what they said, and this is not word for word:
If you get flagged once as a top 5% user, you will stay flagged indefinitely. This means that whenever you reach the top 5% (I asked, not specified as to how that works considering every one has a different billing cycle and top 5% of which users, unlimited or every one, or every one that is flagged), you will get reduced speeds.
For those with unlimited who have never been flagged and reach past 2GB will not be flagged unless they deem you a serious data user.
How they define top 5% is not specific, but is based on their "research".
Now you're thinking if less and less people want to get capped, they'll use less data, and therefore the top data usage number will change, that sounds exactly like what they're trying to do. I asked about that, but she said she has no idea about how they actually do the capping except once you're flagged, you're flagged, especially since you're getting capped around 2GB.
Just letting you guys know the facts I got from the CSR and their supervisor.