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Sorry if this gets asked all the time guys, have scoured your excellent forum for info but to no avail.
My ignorance is due to being an ex smartphone owner, which i am sure you know are easy to de-cert.
I just want to chuck a load of games and non-approved utils onto my XDA, but DAMMIT, it won't fookin let me
Cracking forum by the way guys, has taken me ages to find you!
Mart
Never touched a smart phone. I've never heard of "de-cert." What is it? Doesn't sound like something that needs to be done on the XDA, certainly I've never seen it said here, and I've been around since the dinosaur ages.
It allows non valid windows CE applications to be installed - i.e. not officially approved software
I've never heard of an officially-approved piece of software for a Pocket PC. I don't think there is a certification program for that. In any case, your PPC will let you install any PPC software, approved or not, whatever, it won't care.
Excellent, however I keep getting
"filename" is not a valid windows CE setup file.
Am I being stupid here, installing in the wrong way?
I have only seen that error when I tried running the wrong version (not for Pocket PC) on my unit.
Might want to make sure the app is for Pocket PC and that the cpu type is correct.
Cheers - most of my smartphone software must be incompatible then, even though the spv uses a version of PPC.
Any site recommendations where I can get hold of PPC software for free? seems to be damn expensive in most places!
Thanks again
Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)
Smartphone software is not PPC-compatible. Lots of titles have releases for both PPC and Smatphone, but I've never seen one that has both in the same release (though I suppose you could package multiple versions with one installer).
In any case, go to the developers' sites and see if they have PPC compatible versions.
wfberg said:
Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)
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Not true, some Smartphone software is certified but not all. There are many applications available for MS Smartphone that can only run on application unlocked handsets. Not all authors can afford to apply for certification and for many utils it's hardly worth the bother. Thankfully for most of the existing handsets it is relatively easy to application unlock them so that uncertified apps can be installed.
And going back to the OP's question, Smartphone software is not the same as PocketPC software and whilst a few rare titles can be run on both, most cannot.
www.freewareppc.com
has loads of goodies on there.
Smartphone software wise - I am not sure but I think I saw an emulator for PPC at one point - could not find it though - does anybody know if this exists as there is some good programs for smartphone that have no PPC equal???
would it be technically possible to run the zune interface for everything that is music/media on windows mobile?
Hmm, I guess just like a skin or a separate application... Tho both are made by M$
Well.. they both run on CE5 unless im mistaken.. So, might be able to do it somehow.
wisbar desktop?
what the OP is asking about is if its possible to port the zune OS over to a windows mobile application. i am nowhere near dev status but i could be possible assuming that the zune OS is based on win CE like windows mobile but i'm not sure how hard it would really be though.
i would love to see this too honestly but i think that something like this would have to come directly from microsoft since a project like that is probably of a questionable legal status.
veyka said:
Well.. they both run on CE5 unless im mistaken.. So, might be able to do it somehow.
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Seriously?? We need a ROM dump like... NOW. How would that happen?
I think a ROM dump would hardly work on any device...Maybe its kind of locked too. I think the best thing would be to take S2P source code and start a new project "WM_Zune" or so.
Otherwise, if A_C wont release the sourcecode, there would be enough talented people here to to a proper Zune-like app.
regards,
Martin
Well if "Zune" is just a program running on WinMob5, than if we got our hands on it, what would stop xda from cabbing it up like so many other "locked" devices?
http://www.zuneboards.com/microsoft-news/the-pink-and-purple-project.html
sounds like something fresh and new.. like zune is cool too.. not onli the ipod.. being a wm user we should support this idea..
Hi, see if this is any use to you while you wait for the actual application to be ported:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335927
i guess i wont have to work on it since microsoft is doin it anyway...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/steve-ballmer-confirms-zune-coming-to-windows-mobile/
Zune on WinMo 6.1
Here is another article about Zune porting to WinMo6.1 and other mobile device:
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/10/02/zune-music-player-heading-to-windows-mobile/
I hope it doesn't slow the device down to a crawl. WMP bogs down my Mogul.
Hello, has anyone ever got a "windows update" from the option in System Settings?
ive tried loads of times but no update?
Paul.
No, never worked ???
Nope, never had one. Think this is overlooked by MS
Ok not just me then, cheers fellas
Paul.
I wish we didn't wait for the PDA developers to install updates. I wish it was like a normal PC. I wish I could just download an OS from Microsoft an install it to my PDA and download drivers from HTC's web site...
Argun said:
I wish we didn't wait for the PDA developers to install updates. I wish it was like a normal PC. I wish I could just download an OS from Microsoft an install it to my PDA and download drivers from HTC's web site...
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good wishes but hard to be applied
There's a work being done in that direction...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009
mmm
I think it's just there for show dont think It actually does anything nor connects to anything .. mmm
"Just there for show" rubbish, my wife has the blackberry storm and shes had "updates" and things sent automaticly! maybe i should have copied her and got one cos my 3yr old can work my HTC better than me . haha
Paul.
update
Here are some quotes from WindowsMobile team about this topic:
"As I mentioned in my responses to the previous posts, the update capability is something we are continuing to work on, and our licensing restrictions do not permit us to distribute software directly to end-users. The Windows Update for Windows Mobile capability is designed to deliver critical fixes, which we have not had the need to use yet thankfully!"
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***Update 3*** 09th August 2011
ALK have restored the CP8 download. Link here - thanks to Antus.
***Update 2*** 06th June 2011
It would seem with the introduction of CoPilot 9, a number of changes have occurred to their web site. As such, the old free APK update for CP8 has been removed from their system and can no longer be downloaded. It's still legit to own as it requires activation, so if someone could host the file contact me and I'll add the link, otherwise, this thread is effectively invalid. Sadly I no longer have the APK in question, because I just invested in CP9.
***Update*** 15th August 2010
This isn't specifically for the HD2. In fact this works for any device! WinMo -> Android OR Android -> WinMo.
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now): LINK RESTORED
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work: LINK RESTORED
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here (LINK RESTORED);
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.
Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?
myjupiler said:
Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?
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It should be on the root of your SD Card in a folder "CoPilot".
I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.
Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!
busterdan said:
I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.
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It has TTS built in!!! Don't even need to buy it! My traffic key worked also!
noellenchris said:
Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!
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Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable
jonboyuk said:
Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable
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Man I hated that Copilot non qwerty! Wow, speech too! Neat, just need to download the cp8 app for android now...
@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.
mic_888 said:
@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.
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My only concern would be that Copilot ALK may not want us to transfer. But I do think that other HD2 owners or anyone coming from WM should be, and would be, happy to transfer/use CP8 that they paid for on Android.
So I guess ...go for it. I'm switching ASAP just in case...hehe.
Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know
All working, the only thing I should have done was deactivate Premium Live Services first in WM.... before the UK/IRELAND maps.... not really a big problem as the live services are a waste of time anyway.
To be honest, comparing Copilot to the free Google Navigation app I think Copilot will be dead and buried within a year.
what about tomtom navigator?
deactivation in android?
jonboyuk said:
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now) Link to ALK Web Site
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work:
Link
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here;
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.
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I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.
mic_888 said:
Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know
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Quite frankly - I'm flattered, and yes of course you can post it.
chrisnash said:
I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.
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Yes it is 100% reversible. ALK can't be bothered with all the enquires I think and I truly believe it's a good way for them to make a quick extra money! As a user who paid for it once, I refuse to pay again. Take Photoshop for example, if you buy it for a mac, you can use the same license on a PC and vice versa.
Enjoy!
jasmo1984 said:
what about tomtom navigator?
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AFAIK, there is no TomTom for Android. Quite frankly they are so behind with their mobile software, it's just not worth using anyway.
Hope ALK is planning on integrating the contacts in CP8.... Other than that, it works great.
Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?
Paradasos said:
Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?
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Yes you can, but you have to contact them via email or their web site. Just explain and ask them to release your license. I've done it on numerous occasions.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App & HD2
I'm using Windows Phone 7 on my HD2 in dual mode with Android and want to share my experienes after 3 weeks:
Windows Phone 7
pro:
-performance
contra:
- battery life
- no "really" navigation solution
- no "really" apps from third party (my Synology NAS Station, my Fritz AVM Router, XBMC, .... )
- Zune
Zune reminds me to Apple's Itunes. I prefer "Mass Storage" and could not follow this way with Zune .
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
Oh.....ok....
masteroe12 said:
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
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what an insightful post, you're in an XDA forum but you're too lazy to "hack" your phone
windows phone 7 is still a baby compared to android and iOS. the partnership with nokia means the ovi store is merging with the marketplace, so this should help, plus the changes in free submissions (allowing 99 free submissions i think) will also help.
its also worth remembering that windows phone 7 on a HD2 is also not official, so i dont see why you would have an issue with unofficial registry hacks!
personally the limitation for me is apps. having used android, i got into the habbit of downloading apps out of bordem, but that is more limited on wp7. i also think the pricing for some of the apps and gams is a little high compared with other platforms. but these often change with time.
i quite like zune in comparison with windows mobile device centre, but i do agree it has some similaritys with itunes.
dont use it if u dont like it
Mrakes said:
dont use it if u dont like it
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Exactly,
Don't buy it if you're not going to eat it
Edit :
Btw, Your title is just, with all respect, stupid.
Wp7 on hd2 and 1gb of cab file storage
Thanks to all the guys that were involved in developing wp7 for the Hd2. What do you think if Microsoft allowed 1gb of cab file storage on the wp7 platform of the costumers choosing, and they could add or remove files as they please in that 1gb of space?
That's a shame. Put a little time in and get alot out!! You really are missing out.
masteroe12 said:
I'm using Windows Phone 7 on my HD2 in dual mode with Android and want to share my experienes after 3 weeks:
Windows Phone 7
pro:
-performance
contra:
- battery life
- no "really" navigation solution
- no "really" apps from third party (my Synology NAS Station, my Fritz AVM Router, XBMC, .... )
- Zune
Zune reminds me to Apple's Itunes. I prefer "Mass Storage" and could not follow this way with Zune .
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
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Wowwww.!!!! This one of the most insightful post !!!!!
Ok m8.... You are probably the XDA guy that ask for help to a problem ...nad the solution is 3-4 posts above !!!!!
Ok.. no prob.... its an alternative to a lot of guys arround here ... and they are lucky to be XDA members...
colossus
I love WP7 even though there are still missing features and cant see myself going back to anything else...and WP7 imo will only improve.
The guy has a point too...
There are a lot of things missing from the WP7.There should be at least one normal GPS software, but there is not.
I used WP7, i like were it is going, the battery is better than in Android but at the end of the day i still end up using Android.
Android then WP7, back to Android and so on.Great to have a HD2.
;-))
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omarza said:
I love WP7 even though there are still missing features and cant see myself going back to anything else...and WP7 imo will only improve.
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I'm totally with you - the Zune pass got me. I love being able to tag something with Shazam and then have the song or album in a few minutes from the Marketplace.
I have random issues with sound from my headphones, and having to flip to video mode to get the camera to focus kinda bites at times, but those are minor issues compared to all the reboots, hangs, freezes I had with even the stock 6.x rom -
WP7 is great, so great that I almost daily want to go get a real HD7 so I have full hardware functionality.
berbecverde said:
The guy has a point too...
There are a lot of things missing from the WP7.There should be at least one normal GPS software, but there is not.
I used WP7, i like were it is going, the battery is better than in Android but at the end of the day i still end up using Android.
Android then WP7, back to Android and so on.Great to have a HD2.
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Haven't tried very hard have you?... The built in Map application functions fine for GPS - There's no voice telling you where to go, but anyone can follow the yellow dot... If you need turn by turn, there's always Telenav from T-Mobile...
I just need gps with maps on the device. is this suppose to be on the ovi store? when is that coming?
I too am using dual boot to wp7 and android and enjoying how they compliment each other with both having there strong points that makes up for their individual short comings.
As the wp7 build matures it will only get better. The wp7 takes about 15 seconds to load and the sd android build that I have takes less than 3mins so I can live with switching back and forth.
I really like netflix, the call quality, and email on wp7. Games, gps, maps, flash support, internet browsing, video, and camera I prefer the android build I use.
For me the switching between the two OSs works well.
by definition it is an alternative.
I suppoes you mean, isnt a "good" alternative
My question to you is alternative to what? an iphone? android? pen and paper? carrier Pigeons?
and even then, "good" is subjective, carrier pigeons and pen and paper have many uses that my phone wouldnt be "good" alternative for, for instance i couldnt feed my phone bread in the park, or let me kid run after it flapping like a bird scaring them away, and coming back to IT, i find its completely fine, works, works well, its a perfect "alternative" for me
Huge sweeping statments are a bit daft, fair doos, its not your cup of tea, but i dont think we have to hear about it, after all i couldnt care less what your opinion is because i have my own as do you and thats your right. but im not going to start a thread telling all about my opinion, especially since all your opinions of what are bad are in the public domain, you would have known about them before you even installed it, so its not even a constructive debate or indeed a question,
infact what is the point? to regurgitate the same information thats already been around the block several times?
dgabriel said:
Haven't tried very hard have you?... The built in Map application functions fine for GPS - There's no voice telling you where to go, but anyone can follow the yellow dot... If you need turn by turn, there's always Telenav from T-Mobile...
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I did try but still you can not compare the Navigation available on other platforms with the one(s) available for WP7.This is a problem for me since i can not drive and look at the map the same time.
And Copilot and Navigon said the do not know when or if there will be a Navigation software made by them for WP7.Maybe someone else.
So yes i try and do my homework before i speak.
berbecverde said:
I did try but still you can not compare the Navigation available on other platforms with the one(s) available for WP7.This is a problem for me since i can not drive and look at the map the same time.
And Copilot and Navigon said the do not know when or if there will be a Navigation software made by them for WP7.Maybe someone else.
So yes i try and do my homework before i speak.
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I wish copilot would release something, its been almost 5 months.
Gabe3 said:
I wish copilot would release something, its been almost 5 months.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/copilot-live-navigation-not-coming-to-windows-phone-7
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/tomtom-disinterested-in-windows-phone-7-too