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Was there something I missed?

Whats up with all the devs bailing out? Not to mean that in a bad way, I appreciate all of yalls hard work dont get me wrong!

because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.

justinisyoung said:
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE new roms with all features working right away
because people are ignorant.
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in sumation becuase there is too much drama going on.

heh I stopped releasing any of my work back in january.

Because someone let a stinky one and pointed the finger at someone else instead

justinisyoung said:
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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I really dont understand why it is a bad thing to donate. its just like anything else that is made out there, Just be glad they arent charging you for this stuff. They do it out of there free will. People that want to bit*h about this kinda stuff should be banned.

this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.

ok time to kill this thread as it is just going to turn into another troll war just like the other. thanks and goodbye

Just leave the subject alone and let it die out please...
we don't need to keep beating a dead horse...

apollooff320 said:
this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?

Merckle said:
Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.

gthing said:
The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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See I never saw it as them charging for the software, the people who donate get first look the people who didnt still get it. At no point have they said that there was a fee for this software, only if you appreciated the time they have taken and donated, you get first look. Similar to the manner in which HTC was supposed to release the kernel, they released it to sprint first then eventually the general public. Doesnt seem like linux issued a gpl violation against them to stop selling their devices

gthing said:
The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.

pntballer1413 said:
i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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He never asked for donations for an early release. People volunteered donations for an early release. He gave the early release to donators from his last ROM. People got excited and started sending him donations so that they could get it. Flipz never asked them to. The beta release is unfinished and very buggy. You don't have to have it if you can wait a few days so that he can fix the bugs.

from a social psych perspective, having donations tied quid pro quo for something not everyone has the equal availability to experience is essentially going to diminish both sides of the equation here. Flipz will potentially look at the screaming rise in donations in anticipation of redeeming much of his hard earned time and effort in the form of monetary donations. Likewise, from the user perspective - many of you have already donated to get into that early release pool and sign off on the matter by claiming that flipz deserves the donation anyway.
with all the legalities aside here, and focusing solely on what an early release of flipz's rom being given to those who contribute monetary donations, there is no difference in my purchasing of a new microwave at the local sears and my donating to flipz with the added benefit of being sent an insider's link to the current unreleased firmware.
no matter how you flip it, or spin it, what it comes down to regardless of the point of view is preferential treatment. if flipz wants to make some money back on his time spent, as well as his bandwidth costs, this is the most legal way he can do it tbh. but if flipz wants this to be considered "free" for all intensive purposes, then there would be no early release to those who donate. its not free and/or open-source when the availability of the item is discriminated against those who do not donate.
on this last note, flipz will inevitably succumb to "every man has his price". the majority of the devs with blockbusting roms around here deserve their own subforum dedicated to how awesome they are for contributing to this community. I applaud them wholeheartedly. when the factor of money comes into the picture, there are very few people who will not be aroused financially by what people are willing to shell out for. The enthusiasm that we see from a dev who ties money directly into the release of his or her roms will virtually never be the same as one who accepts donations without an added incentive to his or her userbase.
bottom line, i think flipz made the wrong choice on both ends of the equation here. there is now a monetary factor that cannot be overlooked in the impending releases of all future "fresh" roms if nothing is changed. And for that I simply refuse to take part in any of these releases where there is a two-way transaction of goods regardless of the context.

I don't see how hall are not getting this flips donators are essentially his beta testers he's not giving them a finished Rom he's simply doing his thing realesing to donators to test out. They send feedback he fixes and BAM!!! public release with most of The bugs worked out.... how are yall not understanding that

I'm new and can't see the forest through the trees. But I do worry about what will happen when the official 2.1 is released by sprint. Could it be a total unrooting and lock-out?

Just because you charge for something doesnt mean its not open source. Free as in speech, not beer.

This thread keeps rolling downhill, but I see something that needs clarification. Flipz has NEVER EVER asked for a donation OK. Read it again, internalize it. NEVER EVER. You don't like the donation sh*t??? Don't donate and be happy with it. In about 2-4 days, you will have an updated software release after some people have found some bugs and some of them have been fixed. NO ONE is requiring a donation it is completely VOLUNTARY. No one will die for waiting about 4 days for a ROM (although some people sound like they will). Get a grip people. This is very simple.

On top of all this! people donate to him .. but how much do you need to give him? No he did not say... I could had paid .25 and still get it before anyone else..so please STFU!

Who to donate to...

Over the past couple months their seems to be more quote on quote "developers" asking for donations for their work or at least their latest.
Something to keep in mind is these "developers" are merely piecing together other's work that can be found by searching through the android parts of this board. Now while I do appreciate the time they spent piecing parts together I feel someone more important is being over looked, the people that get us the firmware that makes it possible.
So the next time you think a certain developer is worth your donation, take the time to donate to the people that give these developers the base to work with, without these firmware leaks, the dev's would have nothing to build from.
thanks

rsfaze said:
Over the past couple months their seems to be more quote on quote "developers" asking for donations for their work or at least their latest.
Something to keep in mind is these "developers" are merely piecing together other's work that can be found by searching through the android parts of this board. Now while I do appreciate the time they spent piecing parts together I feel someone more important is being over looked, the people that get us the firmware that makes it possible.
So the next time you think a certain developer is worth your donation, take the time to donate to the people that give these developers the base to work with, without these firmware leaks, the dev's would have nothing to build from.
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So you're saying you want us to donate to Samsung? Or some unknown that leaks firmware?
I donated enough to Samsung when I bought the phone. If it worked like it was supposed to, I wouldn't need anything from anyone else.

People really asked you to donate?
V5 custom vibrant

This guys last 4 or so posts are all negative towards Master because he lets Donator's have first dibs on new releases... which Team Whiskey also does/did?
All I read was...
blah blah, wasted thread, blah... /rant.

Ah ha I see
V5 custom vibrant

Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.

While I do appreciate developers putting their time into these roms, until they start releasing roms that are all give and no take(ie a slight increase in response in exchange for a lot of battery life; losing functionality of certain apps or functions etc), I couldn't justify donating a dime. If the only bugs in your rom are the same as the phone comes with, but you've increased performance slightly or fixed a bug or two, then I'd donate a few bucks. I don't donate for the sake of donating just like my employer won't pay me for sitting around doing a half-assed job.
I'm on a stock froyo rom right now, no lagfix or overclock, and it's running as smooth as any team whiskey or axura rom i've used(which would be nearly every), minus the bugs. No offense to any developer here, but I need something worth my hard earned money. I was real close to donating for the 1.6ghz overclock kernel until it turned ugly. Stuff like that, and less buggy roms with more features are where I'll be putting my money.
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So this is kinda like another I got banned for a day wah wah wah type deal at least if it had a hateful title it would be gone already
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Developers have never demanded that we donate. Last I knew WE have a choice in what WE want to do. I donated my kids clothes that no longer fit them to the salvation army. I stay at work longer than required, so in theory I donated my time. My friend was moving so I donated my truck to make it easier for him. I donated a pepsi to Master because he was thirsty. I have never asked for anything in return. I did it because I wanted to.
These were all MY decisions to make.
Master has not made anyone donate to get a ROM. All he does is pay it forward. You buy him a Pepsi...you get access to a donor forum and a thank you. Pretty nice guy I say!

And people wonder why developers leave XDA....

This is directed at allthrottle. To sit and say that a leaked stock 2. 2 is better than the modded roms here is just plain ridiculous. The nerve of some people who complain about free stuff..... as for the OP, you do seem jaded. Threads like these do no good. Find a Rom you like, and donate if you want. It's real simple.
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No, it's been my experience so far that this leaked rom has been less buggy overall than every other 2.2 rom Ive tried yet. It may not be as responsive to begin with, but its been consistantly smooth, which I couldnt say about any dev rom Ive tried(again, my experience). Im excited to see the latest, less buggy leak though. I cant say its 100% stock, it does have launcher pro and bloatware removed along with a couple of apps frozen.
And again, this isnt to say the devs suck, because Im very grateful for their work so far. But nothing yet has done enough for me to merit a donation. Im looking forward to someone releasing something that does, though.
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I don't like custom roms for the same reason. They're either hideously themed and/or have more bugs than the rom it's based on, some of these bugs being crippling. It's just not the same.

Dammit2Hell said:
So you're saying you want us to donate to Samsung? Or some unknown that leaks firmware?
I donated enough to Samsung when I bought the phone. If it worked like it was supposed to, I wouldn't need anything from anyone else.
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Not at all, but consider the people that get us the firmwares, from what I've heard they have seen ZERO donations.
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People really asked you to donate?
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No but some surely do put it out there more often than others, I consider that begging. Developers do this because they love it, not because it's a payday for them.
s15274n said:
This guys last 4 or so posts are all negative towards Master because he lets Donator's have first dibs on new releases... which Team Whiskey also does/did?
All I read was...
blah blah, wasted thread, blah... /rant.
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You are surely entitled to your opinions just as I am, sad you can't see the larger writing on the wall but then again, this world is full of blind people.
heygrl said:
Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.
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BINGO, without these leaks, there would be no further rom development, yet the guys that risk their jobs to leak these firmwares never get donations.
and for what it's worth this thread has nothing to do with hate towards any one person but to help inform the members here that developers that release these "custom" roms are only part of the equation. The bigger picture is if there is no firmware there is no improved roms, just different colored roms with apps zipped into them.

Donate to me for reading that
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donate to people who don't have food to eat, home to live, clothes to wear.
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if you don't know who to donate to, you can always donate to me.
just sayin...

He means to.the origanal.developer meaning.dont.donate to.those who only thene and call it their own personal rom whichis bs
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heygrl said:
Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.
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I agree. I would still be using stock on the phone JFD with no new firmware updates available to flash, and no ROMS based on anything other than JFD or phone dumps of different firmware. Also, I don't think we would have Odin either.

RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.

RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.
First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time).
The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.
I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.
Haters will hate.

I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.
I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.

Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.

xtremekilla09 said:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.

xtremekilla09 said:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.

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couped said:
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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Exactly my thoughts.

razormy said:
+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|

It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).
It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.

This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...

icebrkr said:
This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
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Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
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kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?

problem with forums like this
The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:
10% 12-18
40% 19-26
40% 27-45
10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)
So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.
What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......

This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
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Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...
he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...
By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....
EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh

Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.
The person asking was within their rights
The person who gave it out was within their rights
Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.
Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.

kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.
FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.
Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.

I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!

jnutz said:
First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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I couldn't agree more.

[Fundraiser] Vibrant for Eugene373 to develop on! [11/28/2011]

Hey Eugene said he wouldn't mind getting a vibrant if the community donated but he said he's scared of the problems that might come. Like people demanding updates and such. But if you changed the cm7 donation thread to Eugene and put what Eugene don't want to happen some might understand and obey his wishes.
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Hey Vibrant community.
Remember Eugene? That awesome guy who's helped make what our Vibrants are today. He's willing to develop for us again and bring us more of his awesome stuff. Maybe even an awesome, stable ICS. As you may have noticed, he's been helping around, but he's using his wife's phone. His wife doesn't like that too much. He's willing to take a Vibrant from the community if they're willing to give it.
Before you post any bull or a 'yes! awesome!' do know that Eugene in no way needs to give out ETAs or post daily, he has a life, just like everyone of us, he does this because he likes it, not because he has to.
If you guys are willing to support him, he's willing to support us.
What do you guys say?
Vibrant for Eugene! Let's go!

if you have nothing positive to say, or dont want to donate, please dont post here.
im a broke college freshman but im willing to donate $10 towards a device for CM crew.
cheers

Wasn't this fundraiser done before?
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I don't care what they do with the money we donate. They can buy a device or pizza or beer or hookers, whatever they want.
I just want the Cyanogenmod team to know that the Vibrant community fully supports them and hopes that our device can stay in the CM family.
I'm willing to put in $20.

$10 towards a device for atinm too, but only if he states that he actually wants to continue work on it if we get him a device.

Did'nt he say he was sick of the vibrant?

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Did'nt he say he was sick of the vibrant?
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Yup!
Stated that if we bought home one he wouldn't develop for it
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This is a waste of time you guy's. we have plenty of talented dev's to rely on one specific team. The longer everyone continues to feed into the man saying he is "Sick" and has "given up," the "Bigger" these men's head's grow. Some one will either port the latest cm9 once it is released for i9000 or we simply must move on. (it's called evolution) Samsung is the one to officially blame for there lack of device support. I refuse to have to bribe someone to keep their loyalty. I know there will be CM9 with or without the help of Hacksung. This wasn't meant to troll or offend.

i hope this keeps the wheels turning, but i doubt it will. the only reason i say that is because i find it extreme difficult to believe that the CM team (the largest, most popular, most skilled, most coveted Android development team) doesnt have enough money from donations to buy a cheap used vibrant on ebay. i also find it very hard to believe that none of them (or even a dev loosely associated with them) does not have T-Mobile.
IMO, i think that was atinm's polite way of saying fck the vibrant. im not faulting him in any way, im sure it was a calculated decision.
i just want people to think before giving their money away as a result of frustration/impatience.
good luck.

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i hope this keeps the wheels turning, but i doubt it will. the only reason i say that is because i find it extreme difficult to believe that the CM team doesnt have enough money from donations to buy a cheap used vibrant on ebay. i also find it very hard to believe that none of them (or even a dev loosely associated with them) does not have T-Mobile.
IMO, i think that was atinm's polite way of saying fck the vibrant. im not faulting him in any way, im sure it was a calculated decision.
i just want people to think before giving their money away as a result of frustration/impatience.
good luck.
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Very well said broskii. +1

They call themselves team douche for a reason.
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Whats the point of this? If CM7 is any indication, it will probably take about 4-5 months for a stable release even if they do support CM9 for the vibrant. By that time most of us who are on a two year plan for the vibrant is only a few months away from a new phone upgrade with the next release of android.
Chances are any money you donate will go to the next phone that are coming out to get them further and further away from the vibrant.

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Chances are any money you donate will go to the next phone that are coming out to get them further and further away from the vibrant.
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^^^^^^^THISSSSSSSSSS^^^^^^^
i am not against donating to devs in any way. however i AM against people blindly throwing their money around, when there is absolutely no indication that their hopes will be fulfilled.
sometimes devs make it clear that donations just go into one big pot and are considered charity, or a thank you. on the other hand, some devs setup serperate paypal accounts for donations to a specific need.
in this particular case, the dev has clearly stated that he has less than no intentions of pursuing further development on this device, yet people still want to throw money at him.
i understand the reasoning, but if your "donations" are being made with a specific need in mind, make sure the dev not only understands, but also accepts/agrees to this.

And that's why this was a proposition, not official. He has made up his mind, he will not support the Vibrant, no matter what. So.. I guess that settles it.

with that said though, really how much work would need to be done to port a sgs rom over to the vibrant, sure battery life wont be kick ass at first but most kernel such as glitch/sixstrings dev for either the cappy or the sgs and just tweak a few files and build it for the vibrant, probably wont have working gps but id be surprised if we didtn get some sort of kanged cm build.
you could always build the sgs cm rom with with tweaks to put in the vibrant specific libs, also keep in mind that the g1 lost support for cm but there are plenty of un official builds and they have to do a hell of a lot more to port a rom to that phone.

He said they would port it soon just stop there's no need for this
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I think people might not completely understand why I support a fundraising effort.
I don't really care about any dev getting a device or anything like that. I just want to make sure that all the people who have worked hard to get CM7 working on the vibrant know how much we appreciate it. We hope that they will continue to support the device for the long term but that this is just a gift to say THANK YOU.
I feel we need something like this to deal with the trolls that have pissed off multiple vibrant devs. I see this as a fundraiser just to say "thank you and sorry about all the jerks".
I am pretty sure CyanogenMod can use any funds we donate to them. I personally intend to give a yearly donation to them anyways since they have made my android experience SO much better than stock. Since i am giving anyways i would rather do it as part of an overall fundraising drive with the Vibrant community than just as an individual.
I have no expectations that they will continue development for the Vibrant, i just think it is important that we show them how much we appreciate them.

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there starting to do most of there work with the sgs2 branch of phones, att, tmobil etc.....sorry

What gives with this place??

Why are we losing developer's. .is it xda policy, or are they just sick of to many questions of why dont it work? ?

Easily can be summed up in one word , entitlement! Saw this on the lg g3 forum, people think they are entitled to roms and the Dev are there to serve. Forget the fact these guys do it for free and share their work with and take the time write directions in there op .. That people don't bother to read! Start being respectful and grateful or learn to do the work yourself. I am not a Dev but I can def see their site of it.

I was questioned about his earlier.. So here is my opinion on it. A few pm's I have sent out confirmed a few things and even brought some other things to light I didn't even notice. Could additionally be some xda policy.
here

I hate people, this is why we cant have nice things.

What gives with this place. This place is amazing you can learn how to root android phones. Install custom recoveries. You can learn alot of stuff which can help you. You can ask seniors or others for help and they might cooperate. I am happy this site exists.
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I too was inspired but recieved pms asking when my roms comming out n asking for etas its not coming out least not to xda

I can tell you it is not XDA policy.
What it most likely is from what I have read is the influx of the entitled members. Moderators are reactive. We need to see reports on posts, then we can see what is going on. The problem with that is sometimes no one reports a post or issue, and the flaming goes on for days before someone reports it. This is a site of over 6 million users...thousands joining each week. So many posts of "Give me root NAO!" "Can we haz update Nao" Or the ever popular "Your ROM looks like a child made it" It would be a great help if no one responded and someone reported it...eazy peezy clean up and PM sent to that member. Instead the developer stressed from all the constant updates and support, blows up at the member...he gets a PM saying please report and try not to respond...he feels moderators are not quick enough...they go to G+...then guess what...within a few weeks they are yelling at users on G+...telling them to be nice, patient...blah blah blah. So you have developers upset because they cannot curse out these entitled members and/or the entitled members drive them crazy. They would rather work with 150 users on G+ than thousands of users here.
We do what we can but cannot stop a post before it happens..and then the damage is done...no matter what the moderator does. How do you become a welcome site for new members if you ban them on the first mistake? We try to explain what they are doing wrong. You have no idea how much time the volunteer moderators here spend in PMs with members...and how often it ends up with the moderators being cursed out. We also spend a lot of time talking to these teams..doing what we can to convince them to stay....there is a lot the average user does not see. It is not simply a developer taking his ball and going home. Many plan this for months..building their own sites. So help us help you. Report, don't add to the drama and cleanup...Thanks!

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Easily can be summed up in one word , entitlement! Saw this on the lg g3 forum, people think they are entitled to roms and the Dev are there to serve. Forget the fact these guys do it for free and share their work with and take the time write directions in there op .. That people don't bother to read! Start being respectful and grateful or learn to do the work yourself. I am not a Dev but I can def see their site of it.
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Right. I miss being able to sit back and wait for cool roms & updates. But here in the Sprint Note 4 forums there's not much as far as developers goes. So what do you do? Either sit and cry or step up and do something yourself. I chose the latter. i'm a "take action" kind of person.
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What gives with this place. This place is amazing you can learn how to root android phones. Install custom recoveries. You can learn alot of stuff which can help you. You can ask seniors or others for help and they might cooperate. I am happy this site exists.
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I agree . But you can't control the thoughts and opinons of others and people shouldn't be followers but responsible and respectful leaders instead. If somebody has a problem with XDA and/or members they want to pout, cry and throw fits. Then all of a sudden they want to take there "buddies" to their dream world "safe haven" where the grass is greener and things are so perfect and business is booming... uum ok, whatever. I refuse to play into that game. I'm a grown man and I accept and take responsibility for my actions and don't need to lay blame on XDA and/or it's not-so perfect members for my childish actions.
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I can tell you it is not XDA policy.
What it most likely is from what I have read is the influx of the entitled members. Moderators are reactive. We need to see reports on posts, then we can see what is going on. The problem with that is sometimes no one reports a post or issue, and the flaming goes on for days before someone reports it. This is a site of over 6 million users...thousands joining each week. So many posts of "Give me root NAO!" "Can we haz update Nao" Or the ever popular "Your ROM looks like a child made it" It would be a great help if no one responded and someone reported it...eazy peezy clean up and PM sent to that member. Instead the developer stressed from all the constant updates and support, blows up at the member...he gets a PM saying please report and try not to respond...he feels moderators are not quick enough...they go to G+...then guess what...within a few weeks they are yelling at users on G+...telling them to be nice, patient...blah blah blah. So you have developers upset because they cannot curse out these entitled members and/or the entitled members drive them crazy. They would rather work with 150 users on G+ than thousands of users here.
We do what we can but cannot stop a post before it happens..and then the damage is done...no matter what the moderator does. How do you become a welcome site for new members if you ban them on the first mistake? We try to explain what they are doing wrong. You have no idea how much time the volunteer moderators here spend in PMs with members...and how often it ends up with the moderators being cursed out. We also spend a lot of time talking to these teams..doing what we can to convince them to stay....there is a lot the average user does not see. It is not simply a developer taking his ball and going home. Many plan this for months..building their own sites. So help us help you. Report, don't add to the drama and cleanup...Thanks!
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I agree with you but I also see a lot of immaturity on behalf of these disgruntled individuals. They can't handle a few whiney disrespectful members and think thinks should be perfect and handled immediately by the mod team. Yea, ok. They can go elsewhere and see how grenn that grass really is. I won't miss a thing because without XDA these brats wouldn't have a clue or the slightest inspiration to do what they do to begin with. Bite the hand that feeds you? That's never worked out well for anyone. This isn't a business it's a hobby for developers. I don't think the majority of these private dev "teams" are raking in enough cash to pay one months mortgage. I point and laugh every time i read those hate comments by the you know who's.

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Why are we losing developer's. .is it xda policy, or are they just sick of to many questions of why dont it work? ?
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I will tell you why I am stopping for awhile, no one appreciates anything, no dev respect what so ever, so why do people continuously stay on the devs a$$ about a time a rom is going to be updated, and much much more. It gets old, serious.
I can see if the OP does not clarify what the rom is about or when it is updated, THEY DON'T READ! I had one guy call me every name in the book because he didn't do a backup and flashed my rom and it continuously bootlooped, he proceed to tell me if I was around him, he would kick my........you get the picture, I told him simply, build your rom. problem solved...I suppose.
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What gives with this place. This place is amazing you can learn how to root android phones. Install custom recoveries. You can learn alot of stuff which can help you. You can ask seniors or others for help and they might cooperate. I am happy this site exists.
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I will help people who read, and you can tell if they have been reading...

I can honestly say that I have not seen it this bad since I joined back in 2007 - A lot of unappreciative people - Everything I know how to do on an android phone, I learned from this site - I'm guilty of not reading through a thread all the way before asking a question but I also understand what this is all about - I enjoy coming here and catching up on the latest - I've had many different android phones and this is where I always come to learn - All I can say is, Thank You to ALL of the people here - I really don't understand why some people are so ungrateful for something that is given to them for FREE. Sorry for the rant, just my thought on the matter...

Im a developer, not an android developer, but a developer. Ive used xda for years, I answer questions when I can here. I hope the developers dont bail I love to see their input on things. Their personal insight has always been invaluable. I thank all of you guys I hope you stay.
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I don't understand some of these complaints we have nearly every custom ROM available..... When I first got here we had 1-2 stock/stockish roms now we have damn near every one that's out there.... I don't get it.... And as tat said I've learned everything I know from xda and some good friends from xda....no school, no classes, just searching, reading, and a few good friends..... Makes no sense to see these statements saying we have no roms, we have no devs, where are all the roms, where are all the devs....... If we are really so lacking in development why do we have so much available to us.... I can really only think of maybe 3/4 roms we don't have ....IMO only thing we are lacking in is custom kernels and we even have a couple of those..... Really makes no sense to me

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I don't understand some of these complaints we have nearly every custom ROM available..... When I first got here we had 1-2 stock/stockish roms now we have damn near every one that's out there.... I don't get it.... And as tat said I've learned everything I know from xda and some good friends from xda....no school, no classes, just searching, reading, and a few good friends..... Makes no sense to see these statements saying we have no roms, we have no devs, where are all the roms, where are all the devs....... If we are really so lacking in development why do we have so much available to us.... I can really only think of maybe 3/4 roms we don't have ....IMO only thing we are lacking in is custom kernels and we even have a couple of those..... Really makes no sense to me
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Lol right ??
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It seems like people whining about the "lack" of ROMs and developers think its still 2010-2011. Back when I had my og evo 4g, there were so many ROMs it blew my mind. I don't think these people realize there are a LOT of premium android devices, and no one can expect these devs to buy every device and build a ROM for all of them.
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It seems like people whining about the "lack" of ROMs and developers think its still 2010-2011. Back when I had my og evo 4g, there were so many ROMs it blew my mind. I don't think these people realize there are a LOT of premium android devices, and no one can expect these devs to buy every device and build a ROM for all of them.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And more....Xposed! Many people are not using custom ROMs anymore..stock with a few add-ons is fine when they have so much control of their own customization. Back in 2010-2011 everything was brand new Eclair and Froyo...so much innovation on mods and fixes...that eventually became part of Google code and most mods only needed a few tweaks to work on the next version of OS. Also back then you had teams and sharing galore...people were happy to share what they made and also how to do it...now some teams do not want to share, they keep the code to their teams only...Devs back then did it for love, the quest for donations was rare. And last but certainly not least...AT&T and Verizon! The 2 biggest carriers locking their phone completely...of course developers will buy something else that they CAN modify...and with that goes those devs that shared things across carriers. So when you feel..."lacking" in the development sense...look at the dev sections here and T-Mobile..then stop in and see the ghost towns in AT&T and Verizon. Moral of the story...be grateful for what you have and maybe think about becoming the next dev if you are sticking around Sammy.

I was thinking the exact same thing about the advances in android as a whole. Each version recently have been massive steps ahead IMO. Back then android still had a ton of tweaks that needed to be made be it for performance, battery life, or functionality. Now, Google has gotten a lot of good upgrades into the os so it doesn't need as much tweaking.
And xposed for sure. When that came out it became a game changer. Before, if you wanted to tweak anything it required someone to make a flashable theme for your ROM, or for you to dig in on your own and tweak it. DPI scaling was system wide and caused issues with some things.
Now we have SIMPLE tweaks for every aspect of the device it seems. And per app DPI changes!!!
I would love to be a dev but lack the time and resources to do stuff, so I'll happily support any dev that's willing to put the hard work into building a ROM. Used to be an HTC fan but Samsung will always be my go to manufacture as long as they keep having an external SD slot.
And big kudos to the CyanogenMod team. I finally decided to try out cm12 and I'm blown away with the level of refinement in the ROM and theme system. Its like I have a whole new phone. And to think they have a ROM for such a huge list of devices is nothing short of impressive.
I'll stick with sprint as long as they keep my unlimited data and keep my phones unlocked. Screw tmo and Verizon.
The other big thing I noticed. Custom kernels are becoming a thing of the past. Evo 4g had like, half a dozen different kernels, some were tweaks of each others, etc, because android still needed a lot of refinement. Now, there's some kernel tweaks, but nothing massive compared to back then.
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Yeah I hate what people have done to good devs. If I like something they made I send them what I think is fair compensation for a single user. Strongsteve back in the gs3/note3 days was one of the best in my opinion.
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Exactly people think devs are here to to be there servent we do it for free im new to deving but not on xda

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Exactly people think devs are here to to be there servent we do it for free im new to deving but not on xda
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Where at would love to check out your work

Definitely agree, when I had my OG EVO and EVO 3D there were so many ROMs, kernels, and mods I flashed 10 times a day lol. Now you find a ROM that you like and just tweak it with Xposed. I do miss the anthrax kernels...nothing compared. But I jumped off the HTC ship after my EVO 4G LTE, I got it replaced 6 times in 3 months and every replacement broke from the slightest thing. I loved my S5 and I love my Note 4 even more. I don't like how they integrated the battery and got rid of the SD slot on the S6 which is worrying, hopefully Sammy wakes back up and brings those 2 things back on the next line of Galaxys. I was surprised that there was even as many ROMs as there are for the Note 4 given that it's so new. My HTC phones I was always eagerly waiting for HTC to drop the source so a dev here could make a masterpiece...