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Think there are a lot of people out there who have been considering between the 2, and with Touch Pro out (it just released over the weekend here in Singapore) and X1 still yet to have a 100% confirmed released date (still wondering if October's a confirmed date, and even then, whether as the case of Touch Pro, it'd be released even later here), a lot of people have been getting the Touch Pro instead. I myself am really tempted to do so too, but there's still that little bit that's holding me back to get the X1. Thing is there's so many points about the Touch Pro that seemingly give it an edge over the X1.
X1:
* WVGA (this a pro or a con?)
* Larger screen (but 'non standard' screen size that might cause some apps to not work)
* 4 row and supposedly crappier keypad (though good in that the keys are more spaced out)
* 3.5mm audio jack (which doesn't matter to me)
* Better video playback (or am I wrong)
* Slightly thinner and lighter
* Higher capacity battery (1500 vs 1340 mAh for Touch Pro)
* Metal casing
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
Touch Pro
* VGA
* 'Standard' screen size that 3rd party apps are built for
* 5 row and supposedly better keypad
* TV out (doesn't quite matter to me either)
* Accelerometer (till now no confirmation whether X1 has)
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
* Slightly smaller
* Plastic casing
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
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Correct me if I've got any point wrong. Lookswise I used to think the X1 looked better, but until lately was starting to feel it looked worse and worse, though most recent videos kinda made me change my mind again (ya... I am just so fickle-minded)
Anyway, what do you all think? Don't wish to be getting the Touch Pro and regret not waiting for the X1 to be out to do an actual comparison. Or is there anyone who has tried both (probably test set of X1) and able to comment on points like the keypad and running of 3rd party apps?
Btw, reason I'm posting this here rather than in other forums that I visit is cos there seem to be more people here with test units and so was hoping to get more opinions here.
Hmmm a good post! Couple of things I would like to say...
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
From what I can gather from other threads this could just be the way HTC has tried to make it look like the Touch Pro has more memory by including 32MB of memory from somewhere else in the device.
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
Like you said I think we will have to wait on this one, the only reason the Touch Pro has more support is because it is actually out now! Any phone that is on this website has MASSIVE community support, which is one of the main reasons this is one of the best websites I know for phones, and is one of the main reasons i will (mostly) always choose a HTC built device!
One thing that annoys me is that a company will give a release date for a phone but the phone wont be available to the average joe, like me,(by that I mean someone who doesnt want to pay nearly half a months wages for a phone i.e. £500+) for perhaps 1-2 months after its stated release date!
As you can tell I want either phone, im just waiting till they com out on the major UK networks so I can:
a) get them for a reasonable price, if not free
b) actually play with them before I choose which one to get!
I am sacraficing a 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard as I use the internet on my phone a lot. Therefore I am leaning towards the Xperia X1 as it has a larger screen.
Any help would be appreciated in this matter
Great post. Hope it gets the response it deserves, cos im in exactly the same predicament.
One thing i keep reading, is that the X1 is the best choice for multimedia.
I dont exactly see what is meant by that, looking at both spec sheets, except for the bigger screen res.
I am led to believe that the SE media player app is not yet present on the X1.
Anyone with a proto, please step up to the keyboard! your input is needed.
The few people i have identified as having X1 protos, seem to be very reserved about what they give away.
This is probably to do with the SE police.
Heres hoping that the SE webcast scheduled for 15th Sept will be the release info for X1, and all info can then be talked about openly.
My preference would be X1, but i would have no problem owning a touch pro.
vinokirk said:
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
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Sony CEO considering dumping Ericsson for sucking so much at mobile phone business lately
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be the last Windws Mobile phone from Sony Ericsson
Anyway, what makes me even more in a rush to decide between the X1 and Touch Pro is cos the Touch Pro is out with a promotional (2-year) contract price of SGD788 (approximately USD548) till this coming Friday. Actual price is supposedly SGD988 (approximately USD688).
X1 for me
The pro is a great increment over the TyTNII ...
But as most people probably experience ... VGA is really only a prettifier over QVGA ... it doesn't give you much real extra screen estate (if any) with most apps.
WVGA on the other hand makes a tremendous difference (from web browsing to today screen to Softmaker Office to CoPilot).
I tried it for the first time with the G900 and all my apps worked and all but one filled the screen properly ....
The X1 screen should therefore be a dramatic improvement on the Pro.
Also ... the Camera and Radio are SE parts ... not HTC and as such will be like most SE phones. This means the camera will perform more like decent SE devices and video at 30fps should be like the N95 ... which means I can get away with one phone at long last.
The N95 radio was rubbish ... this should be a good one.
Those things alone should make this standout a lot from the Pro.
I like to add the
x1
optical joystick for scrolling
touch screen focus
vga video recording
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navigation wheel
the touch sensitive button for focus doesn't even work half the time
While they both have qwerty, I didn't like how each roll of keys directly line up above the next row on the Touch Pro vs the its offset by half a key on the next row on the Xperia. And there is no gaps/spacing between the keys on the htc either.
In the end I only got the Touch Pro because it was out first and I know HTC does Windows Mobile for a living while I was concerned it might have been a one time thing for SE.
Interesting Ipporek, I was unaware of this! Which leads me onto htcplussony's comment abut the X1 being a one time thing, whereas HTC have been churning out WinMo devices for years and hopefully will continue to do so.
I do like the TouchFlo3D of the Touch Pro, is it likely to be 'ported' over to the X1 and if it is, will it fit nicely with the larger screen/resolution, and will it run fine or crash/make the system slower!? Only time will tell with that one i suppose.
Also: not only has the X1 battery a higher capacity, it's a Li-Po battery (whereas the Pro has a Li-Ion battery). Li-Po batteries can hold much more energy. Keeping that in mind, the battery should last much longer on an X1 than on a Pro.
I also firmly believe the X1 will be much more innovative. HTC has already established its position in the pda-phone market, whereas this is SE's first step towards a more business market. They have the neccessary expertise to be able to pull it off however, and I have no doubt that they have not left anything that could be improved untouched. Not only does SE have to innovate and come with new and interesting approaches, HTC hardly can innovate. They have already established their reputation, and they can not drastically change their course or they would lose a lot of users. As an example, we see the Xperia panel interface, it's a whole new approach taken, and I'm quite confident there will be a lot more different little innovations inside.
Ultimately for me it's 2 major concerns (which I mentioned earlier):
1. Is the keyboard of the X1 really as bad as it's being said to be? Unless the production set actually has some improvement in this area over the test sets, it might be a big issue (or at least for me).
2. Will there be a lot of apps that do not work with the X1 cos of the size/resolution incompatibility?
Lack of TV out and accelerometer I can live with. The 1 row less of keys that I can live with too (though till now I do kinda find the combination of a black casing and silver keypad weird). And the bigger size doesn't quite bother me (since it's only by a little and the X1 is thinner and lighter). Support community, ya, there's always the possibility that it'll grow. But the 2 points I mentioned above I can't quite ignore though.
Well, perhaps might be able to get the answer to one of my questions myself. Saw someone's post in another forum and realized that the Omnia too has a 'non-standard' resolution. In fact, it's proportionate to X1's (half in fact).
Samsung i900 Omnia - 400 x 240 pixels, 3.2 inches
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - 800 x 480 pixels, 3.0 inches
LG KS20 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Pro - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Diamond - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Cruise - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Dual - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
HTC Touch - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC TyTN II - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 9502 - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 8502 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
Palm Treo Pro - 320 x 320 pixels, 2.5 inches
Other phones all seem to have either the standard 640x480 or 320x240 pixels resolution (well, except for the Treo Pro).
So would that mean that if an application can run properly on Omnia, it can run on the X1 too?
After seeing the website for the upcoming webcast and this Johnny X trailer, I can't help but feel that X1's more of a mass audience, entertainment-oriented phone as compared to Touch Pro which would be more of a business-oriented phone targetted more towards the more tech-savvy crowd.
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
Well, with the X1's release date being announced, it's making me wondering even more whether to hold back (on getting the Touch Pro).
HW Accelerated ?
Does someone know if X1 has 3D Hardware acceleration ?
So much uncertainties about the X1's specs eventhough it's near release. 3D hardware acceleration, accelerometer...
3D hardware acceleration is stated in the white paper..
Sep 30 it is. But where is Hong Kong.
X1 reception likely better than Touch Pro
foo said:
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
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The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
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The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
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I hope you're right. Skipped the Touch Pro because of weak 3G signal, but now it's really time for a new toy, so hopefully the reception of the X1 will be good.
For me it will be all about the support that this site gives the X1 to be honest because you can have the best phone in the world but without them custom programs / roms you will soon get bored with it, trust me
i now many universal owners found that the HTC HD will be their new replacement for their old universal (me too) and i was wondering which realy has a better CPU since we already have intel PXA270 624Mhz on universal after clocking but i dont know weather the Qualcomm MSM7201A will have a potential to over clock it to at least the same extent?
i also hate that the HD has no hardkeys or joypad which is real helppfull in many games!!
so guys any cons or pros between the 2 will be realy benefitial?(i think i wrote it right).
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=312
cenarius said:
i now many universal owners found that the HTC HD will be their new replacement for their old universal (me too) and i was wondering which realy has a better CPU since we already have intel PXA270 624Mhz on universal after clocking but i dont know weather the Qualcomm MSM7201A will have a potential to over clock it to at least the same extent?
i also hate that the HD has no hardkeys or joypad which is real helppfull in many games!!
so guys any cons or pros between the 2 will be realy benefitial?(i think i wrote it right).
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=312
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Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
orb3000 said:
Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
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I'm absolutely with you, I really need a qwerty keyboard, I hope so soon will be released Uni successor, HD is great device, but it's not for me...
orb3000 said:
Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
wow how did I not see that thread!!!!!!!!!
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
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I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
cenarius said:
I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
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Yes the quality of the screen does not looks very nice, too shinny I think.
I can imagine if I am trying to read a mail on HD with some bright light on my back I´m sure I wont be able to see a s....t on the screen
Hope I am wrong, I am thinking seriously to wait a little bit to see if HD makes a keyboard model, instead of running to buy the HD.
I am not tired about my Uni but we have to be honest, it feels nice to buy a new device! and I haven´t made that since Aug 05 when I got my Uni.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a keyboard HD anytime soon. The Pro is there and there seems to be a smaller market for the Pro than for the Diamond for example. Besides that, plans for the Pro were well known before the Diamond was even released, and the HD is just around the corner and there isn't even the slightest rumor of a keyboard HD, afaik.
cenarius said:
I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
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wait, let me get this straight...are you saying what I think you're saying?
That the screens of the devices like Diamond and HD will lose it's functionality after a while???
Diamond wasn't released that long ago and people are already saying that the screen is losing its functionality after just, what, 2 or 3 months?
This can't be true...
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wait, let me get this straight...are you saying what I think you're saying?
That the screens of the devices like Diamond and HD will lose it's functionality after a while???
Diamond wasn't released that long ago and people are already saying that the screen is losing its functionality after just, what, 2 or 3 months?
This can't be true...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2731291&postcount=6
cenarius said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2731291&postcount=6
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That post was not exclusive to Diamond (including Pro) and HD devices. From what I understood, what he's saying is that all pressure sensitive screens are susceptible to wear over a period of time, and I quote: "(not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity)"
So it could happen to Kaiser, Universal, Hermes, well, just about any other pressure sensitive touch screen devices.
I believe that's possible but it would take quite a while before the screen loses it's functionability.
When I initially read your post, it gave me quite a scare. I thought that this was a problem exclusive to Diamond and HD. lol
meckah said:
That post was not exclusive to Diamond (including Pro) and HD devices. From what I understood, what he's saying is that all pressure sensitive screens are susceptible to wear over a period of time, and I quote: "(not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity)"
So it could happen to Kaiser, Universal, Hermes, well, just about any other pressure sensitive touch screen devices.
I believe that's possible but it would take quite a while before the screen loses it's functionability.
When I initially read your post, it gave me quite a scare. I thought that this was a problem exclusive to Diamond and HD. lol
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Agree meckah
I have my Universal since Aug 05 as my main PDA/Phone and I don´t feel any accuracy/sensitivity loss at all.
So I´m going for HD with no doubt!
Well if you took good care of the phone you wouldn't notice the difference even if it were there. It is only very, very minor loss of accuracy/sensitivity and it would occur so gradually it's hardly noticeable unless holding it next to a new version of the same phone.
The problem: the Diamond and its siblings invite for heavy finger pressure since they respond better to sharp objects such as a nail or a stylus. This is because the finger itself spreads the pressure over such a big area that the screen will not respond, while you are still applying a lot of net pressure to it. This may cause the screen on the Diamond, or the Pro, or the HD to damage much faster than older PDA screens which were only controlled with a stylus.
I use a stylus rather often on my Diamond since it many winmo features are so small it's hard to use a finger.
Now, early HD beta owners specifically pointed out that the HD seems to feel more responsive (see the French vid on youtube as well), making it more finger friendly.
This brings yet another issue: The Touch HD is a screen which appeals much more to finger gesture control than stylus control. Since the PPI is slightly lower than that of the Diamond all winmo user interface elements will be bigger, they can more easily be controlled using a fingertip. Also, it will be easier to depress and thus bend the screen since it is much bigger than that of the Diamond. If the screen isn't more sensitive than its siblings, the HD will be more likely to show oil patch and decreased sensitivity problems than the Diamond and the Pro.
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Well if you took good care of the phone you wouldn't notice the difference even if it were there. It is only very, very minor loss of accuracy/sensitivity and it would occur so gradually it's hardly noticeable unless holding it next to a new version of the same phone.
The problem: the Diamond and its siblings invite for heavy finger pressure since they respond better to sharp objects such as a nail or a stylus. This is because the finger itself spreads the pressure over such a big area that the screen will not respond, while you are still applying a lot of net pressure to it. This may cause the screen on the Diamond, or the Pro, or the HD to damage much faster than older PDA screens which were only controlled with a stylus.
I use a stylus rather often on my Diamond since it many winmo features are so small it's hard to use a finger.
Now, early HD beta owners specifically pointed out that the HD seems to feel more responsive (see the French vid on youtube as well), making it more finger friendly.
This brings yet another issue: The Touch HD is a screen which appeals much more to finger gesture control than stylus control. Since the PPI is slightly lower than that of the Diamond all winmo user interface elements will be bigger, they can more easily be controlled using a fingertip. Also, it will be easier to depress and thus bend the screen since it is much bigger than that of the Diamond. If the screen isn't more sensitive than its siblings, the HD will be more likely to show oil patch and decreased sensitivity problems than the Diamond and the Pro.
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Good explanation.
So it seems that if HD is more sensitive, then it also means that the screen will wear off quicker? I guess we'll never know until the phone comes out and people start using it....but the answer to this question might have a great impact on my decision of whether to buy the phone or not.
I have a Kaiser...Diamond never really impressed me with the 2.8screen, I marked the HD as my next device, but I'm hearing a lot of doubts about this phone even before it's released.
Going back on the thread subject
I insist, what are the options on having a new model in a few months based on HD with keyboard?
Or any succesor that you can think for the Universal? (No G1!!!)
How about the only disadvantage I can see on the HD? KEYBOARD
How easy is going to type on HD comparing to the beautyfull and usefull kb of Uni?
For me,
HTC Universal is the first big VGA PDA Phone about 2 years ago. It succeeded the big non VGA BlueAngel.
It was follow by next big VGA PDA Phone about a year back, O2 XDA Flame.
Now of course, HTC Touch HD will be the next big VGA PDA Phone.
I've been using the Universal since August 2005 and I'm still using it and I'm very satisfied with it. However after 3 years I would like something new...
However, the thing I use most of all is Terminal Services/Remote Desktop/LogMeIn.com.
The problem is that when I maximize this to full screen I won't be able to use a good Virtual Keyboard anymore. So I really need a hardware keyboard. I'm afraid I'll have to go with the Touch PRO or stick with the Universal if HTC doesn't release a HD with keyboard.
And I'm not about to carry around a seperate keyboard with me.
Hi to All,
since we are all waiting for our Touch HD rolleyes - rolling our fingers without having ever seen a real one - i was wondering about a true comparison with the Trinity. We all know that the touch HD is obviously the successor of the Trinity...but wait a second eek: why not viceversa?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=533&id2=1469
the differences cool:
the trinity is 3.6 grams LIGHTER than the Blackstone
the trinity battery has a 11% more capacity than the...
the trinity has an IrDa port while the Blackstone...
the trinity has a real D-pad while the...
the trinity has 10 real buttons while...
the trinity has EVEN a scrollwheel!
...do you agree D)? of course, this is a temporary comparison up to the infamous delivery date, when i will probably change my mind...but my Trinity will forever rest in peace nearby my glorious Wizard!
More differences:
HD screen and resolution: 3.8 " (97 millimetres)
Display Resolution: 480 x 800
Trinty screen and res: 2.8 " (72 millimetres)
Display Resolution: 240 x 320
HD Processor: 32 bit Qualcomm MSM7201A
CPU Clock: 528 MHz
Trinty Processor: 32 bit Samsung SC32442
CPU Clock: 400 MHz
...apart from jokes...
...and you forgot another important improvement: 288 Mb of RAM are a HUGE improvement with respect to the 64K (48K usable) of the trinity...i hope that this memory is not all eaten up by the video ram....
LOL
Maybe that is going to happen mate, the more memory devices have, the more memory new programs demand, that is called consumism...
I always thought that the Diamond was the spiritual successor to the Trinity:
next in line using the product name: P3600 -> P3700
same form factor, but lighter and thinner
upgraded camera
upgraded screen
GPS as well
etc
Heh, with the advances in finger friendly apps and FTouchFloSL etc. all my hardware buttons have become redundant except the on/off and hang up buttons
Bring on a larger screen!!
At the first price drop it's mine
i would say trinity > elf (touch) > polaris (touch cruise) > diamond > touch hd
pzucchel said:
...and you forgot another important improvement: 288 Mb of RAM are a HUGE improvement with respect to the 64K (48K usable) of the trinity...i hope that this memory is not all eaten up by the video ram....
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I am tempted by the Touch HD, but it still lacks the UMTS coverage for international travel.
Trinity has triband UMTS
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Touch HD is only dual band
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
Beyond the UMTS issue, I use my Trinity to read/surf with the D'Pad. It is handy when in bed or just relaxing in the park. I don't like the idea of using 2 hands all the time. The computing power and RAM of the HD is of course superior. Why not make thinner lighter Trinity with more horsepower, I'd buy that!
On a Diamond with SmartTouch I really do all the reading and browsing with a single finger, without using the d-pad.
TouchHD any day
I threw my trinity at the wall today (but thanks to its hard perspex shell. it lived without so much as a scratch). It is so utterly slow in everything it does and always bumping itself into full silent mode without telling me. by the time I dish it out of my pocket I've missed 12 important calls - rendering my PHONE (it's main purpose) about as useful as facial hair on a woman.
So lets see.... HTC Touch HD....
* more than 10x free RAM...
* more than 4x the number of pixels and a 84% increase in screen real estate (if you did your maths properly. it's NOT a 36% increase)...
* its thinner than an iphone yet does a billion times more things thanks to the xda-dev community...
* and its got a way faster cpu!
It's more than twice the phone that the Trinity will ever be, in any respect!
.. seriously man.. if I was GOD.. and I'm being asked to improve on the Touch HD?.. only thing I can think of is jamming a dual core Intel U7700 into that thing *drooool*....Until technology can afford to do that, this phone is no less than perfect for me. I'm buying it. Period.
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On a Diamond with SmartTouch I really do all the reading and browsing with a single finger, without using the d-pad.
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Are you holding the phone in one hand and using a single finger?
the perfect phone is here!!!
...decided: I'll order the touch HD, but I will keep my trinity!
advantages: 6x more pixels, 3 times more screen surface, many buttons, memory, twice the battery lifetime, twice the cpu power, good xda roms available right now, umts coverage, fault tolerant, swappable microsd card...even double gps coverage if i get lost in the desert!
...this is the telephone of my dreams, i am going to order the other accessory (the HD) since i already have the trinity!!!
Matterhorn said:
Are you holding the phone in one hand and using a single finger?
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ah, but you use the FINGER? i always used my TOE...
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ah, but you use the FINGER? i always used my TOE...
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Ha Ha, "monkey see monkey do"
I have to say that this HD has my attention. The $1,000 price tag is a bit much to swallow when my trinity still works fine. Maybe Swisscom will have it available on a contract.
Cheers,
price
I ordered it for 909 CHF from www.digitec.ch. It is very good distributor, i already built my PC buying components from them, they are #1 in switzerland (check for example www.toppreise.ch). It is supposed to arrive first week of november.
pzucchel said:
I ordered it for 909 CHF from www.digitec.ch. It is very good distributor, i already built my PC buying components from them, they are #1 in switzerland (check for example www.toppreise.ch). It is supposed to arrive first week of november.
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That is a very tempting price when you compare it to a Touch Pro which costs 20 francs more than the HD.
pzucchel: I sent you a PM.
lonertic said:
I threw my trinity at the wall today (but thanks to its hard perspex shell. it lived without so much as a scratch). It is so utterly slow in everything it does and always bumping itself into full silent mode without telling me. by the time I dish it out of my pocket I've missed 12 important calls - rendering my PHONE (it's main purpose) about as useful as facial hair on a woman.
So lets see.... HTC Touch HD....
* more than 10x free RAM...
* more than 4x the number of pixels and a 84% increase in screen real estate (if you did your maths properly. it's NOT a 36% increase)...
* its thinner than an iphone yet does a billion times more things thanks to the xda-dev community...
* and its got a way faster cpu!
It's more than twice the phone that the Trinity will ever be, in any respect!
.. seriously man.. if I was GOD.. and I'm being asked to improve on the Touch HD?.. only thing I can think of is jamming a dual core Intel U7700 into that thing *drooool*....Until technology can afford to do that, this phone is no less than perfect for me. I'm buying it. Period.
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uhm, we are all so happy with this DREAM HTC that....i remember i was also very happy with my DREAM Trinity (before release!)...
By the way, how do we know it is so fast? it cannot be faster than the touch pro - which has the same ram and the same processor but less pixels...
pzucchel said:
...decided: I'll order the touch HD, but I will keep my trinity!
advantages: 6x more pixels, 3 times more screen surface, many buttons, memory, twice the battery lifetime, twice the cpu power, good xda roms available right now, umts coverage, fault tolerant, swappable microsd card...even double gps coverage if i get lost in the desert!
...this is the telephone of my dreams, i am going to order the other accessory (the HD) since i already have the trinity!!!
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Congrats for your desicion! and welcome to the: HD waiting to recieve club!
I will also keep my Uni, so many years serving me so great!
One thing that I'm wondering about with the Touch HD is the presence and usability of graphics acceleration. The Trinity has an ATI graphics chip inside and although in the beginning there weren't many apps that could tap into it, the new CorePlayer takes advantage of it. In fact video playback is quite good now with the acceleration working. YouTube playing through the CorePlayer is PERFECT on the Trinity with acceleration activated.
I've read that the Diamond and the TouchPro suffer from terrible video playback performance. I'm wondering if the Touch HD will also be handicapped when it comes to video playback. That would be a pity and a waste of that big beautiful screen.
Also...I have to brag that my Slingbox is streaming video to my Trinity over wifi hotspots with great resolution and fluidity and I wouldn't want to give that up.
Does anyone know how the graphics acceleration is performing on the HD?
Matterhorn said:
One thing that I'm wondering about with the Touch HD is the presence and usability of graphics acceleration. The Trinity has an ATI graphics chip inside and although in the beginning there weren't many apps that could tap into it, the new CorePlayer takes advantage of it. In fact video playback is quite good now with the acceleration working. YouTube playing through the CorePlayer is PERFECT on the Trinity with acceleration activated.
I've read that the Diamond and the TouchPro suffer from terrible video playback performance. I'm wondering if the Touch HD will also be handicapped when it comes to video playback. That would be a pity and a waste of that big beautiful screen.
Also...I have to brag that my Slingbox is streaming video to my Trinity over wifi hotspots with great resolution and fluidity and I wouldn't want to give that up.
Does anyone know how the graphics acceleration is performing on the HD?
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From what I can see in the numerous videos about HD, graphics acelaration looks pretty cool in performance!
Just google HD and see the videos
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/
I hope this is a problem that can be fixed. Although it appears to be a hardware issue according to a Google engineer.
I have a Nexus One.
puuh..I read this..and I dont like to read it again, not even think of it
I downloaded the app, and it's not as bad on mine as his. The issue mine kept having was that it would snap to the grid line of the other touch point, and then it would start losing track of the original touch point. So if touch point 1 y intersected with touch point 2 x it would snap to X and then I could slide along X and the dot would not follow.
The touch panel in the N1 is a Synaptics ClearPad 2000 Series. No more than two points can register at once. It supports pinch zoom and pivot. The problem with axis flipping looks like a driver issue.
Does anyone know what the droid touchscreen uses?
Ouch. I don't like looking at it but ultimately I'd don't believe its enough to detour me from getting a nexus one. Mostly I'd us it for pinch zoom browsing and looking at images. Does suck if you try to play games though.
About the only real use for a "proper" multi-touch screen would be games.
However, this may also mean that the "palm-wrap" problem will never go away. :/
Does anybody know if the desire has the same panel?
I believe so, yes, as the Desire is also made by HTC.
One thing that worries me about the HD2 is the touchscreen sensors. If it's just the same ones as the Nexus One, Synaptics CP2000 with faulty multitouch, I might have to reconsider my options.
It does have true multitouch. Youtube it there are a bunch of videos out there.
After seeing YT videos, it looks like the same wonky multitouch in Nexus One. I'm disappointed
What is it you find "wonky" about it
No it's not. Some of the first run HD2s had some bad sensors, but we don't have any trouble crossing streams or whatever you N1 kids call it nowadays.
Like in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTqh6u2OUFU
Sometimes it jumps all over the place.
And in here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=channel
It sometimes sticks when you're near the same axis.
The sticking is an auto-align in the driver.
Is there a way to turn that off? Does it support more than 2 fingers?
The limitation is currently the way the HTC code sends the data to other applications. It may be possible to get more points with a lower level hook, though I haven't yet gone that far as I want to investigate what can be done so far
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Back in Nov, guess they got lazy
Not sure about turning it off.
HD2 has multitouch, but can only recognize 2 touch points.
(WP7S min requirement is 4 touch points)
As you can see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=player_embedded
The N1 multi-touch issue is very pronounced and extremely different.
I just grabbed both Scilor and |3v5y apps for multitouch.
In the Scilor app (with two circles) you can see a clear snap when you are on the same x or y axis, but again this is driver behavior. Nothing unusual besides that.
In the |3v5y app, the x axis doesn't show any snapping, but crossing on the y axis (possibly a coding error?) swaps the 'paint stream' under the fingers, but still keeps with original positions.
This is similar to the droid on the youtube video above, where the blue and red dot might flip, but it doesn't lose track of what is being touched. Thus, not the same problem as the N1. Not the same sensor. Hurray, hurrah.
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HD2 has multitouch, but can only recognize 2 touch points.
(WP7S min requirement is 4 touch points)
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Not true. HD2 2-point multitouch is a driver (soft) limitation, if you read what I just quoted.
On that note does anyone know what sensor HD2 uses?