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Awesome! A Shift section of its own. Now if we can just get our hands on some working models.
I'm hopeful someone can crack the stupid dumbed down version of WM that HTC is installing and figure out how to get WM6 on this beauty. The two dumbest things I've read so far are that a.) the PDA side can't access the SD card slot (that's even more idiotic than not being able to access the hard drive IMO), and the SnapVue program itself. I understand their desire to save licensing costs, but the whole decision to isolate the PDA side sounds like a deal they made with the telecoms - forcing the PDA side to only interact with the laptop side only through the telecom's system (where they can charge you with a data plan) is idiotic. Personally, I expect to use this device as a stand-alone laptop and not even use the 3G/HSPDA - I've already got that on my Trinity and paying for two full data plans makes zero sense. If anything, I'd like to do a BT modem lash-up through my phone.
If anyone's looking for some ideas to hack this thing, my personal wish list is:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
2.) Unlock the SD card for the PDA side
3.) Unlock the hard drive for the PDA side (this would be HUGE)
Just imagine - you're on a flight, you watch a full movie on the PDA side off an SD card, using low battery consumption, then in the airport you tap into the WiFi and log into your work network to get work done, then later at the hotel you plug in and do some real work on the laptop side. Add in checking your push email on the cab ride to your hotel (PDA side, full keyboard) if you choose the HSPDA activation. That's my dream machine! now if I only knew enough code to make it happen! <grin>
Mike
Having been in the postion of carrying around (for several years)
a good data PDA (this means a Psion)
and a phone
and a Windows Mobile PDA (often an XDA so that makes for 2 devices total)
I have been waiting for Mr Shift to arrive since its first showing in early 2007.
In November the PDF manuals were available from FCC ... what a total disappointment. Did somebody from Apple join HTC? Did they close the architecure at every possible moment ... We need at least:
a) Ability to run full WM6
b) Ability to install any WM6 application
c) Ability to use it as a (very large) telephone
d) Ability to let the PDA part of the Shift be able to access the local Vista and a remote Windows machine
Many people (like me) use their Windows mobile PDA to act as a bridge from their work outlook (probably server) and their home Outlook standalone.
Currently my XDA's or equivalent forms that important link from my Work calendar, tasks and contacts, and my home calendar, tasks and contacts.
Any PDA replacement needs to be able to at least do that!
e) If using a 3G SIM and appropriate data plan then access via this to the Interweb from both PDA and PC sides.
The Shift would seem to make a pretty decent UMPC and it includes a keyboard, but as-is it seems the PDA function and the phone function are an insult to ones intelligence.
Sorry about the grumpy post!
we all
Hi,
No need to appologise.
I think we all feel the same about is.
The choises HTC made make no sence at all and make the PDA side of the shift nothing more than some kind of side-show.
Like everyone else I´d like a FULL pda side. With all normal apps (including office). Doing without phone capabilities might not keep me form buying the shift but if it has not got full pda functionality then it is totaly uninteresting. I would buy a small notebook with longer battery life. (and with XP for that matter).
So it´s time for the guys at HTC to wake up!
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi,
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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How I agree!
Huib
I agree with everyone that the droned down version of this device sucks, but don't blame HTC. Blame vaporware maker Dualcor for their once great idea and not can't be found Dualcor PPC. It was suppose to run windows, and windows mobile and be a phone. After some time, they realized they couldn't do the phone thing and eventually the product, to my knowledge, was never fully released. HTC can't put the full version of windows mobile to due copyright infringment. Dualcor even stated it.
http://www.dualcor.com/
The link will take you to their website and if you read through, it was innovative and great and never really came about.
Can you truly blame HTC for doing the right thing and infringing? I would love for HTC to take Dualcor to court.
In an old saying that applies to dualcor, "either sh*t or get off the pot!"
Just my two cents. Flame away!
dont worry
hey we have a forum here (the best darn forum in the world) n boy we will get this device to perform as we want to. it may take time and help from the gurus out there but it WILL be done so lets just get our wallets / purses at the ready and hope htc release the shift this decade??
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1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
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Uhm... SnapVue is just a name HTC came up with... what it *actually* is, is just a little DLL they wrote that overlays the WM6 taskbars so that you can't tap on them... I know because I've already gotten my hands on the relevant material and ported SnapVue to the Athena... what's more, I've also patched the DLL so that it doesn't disable the taskbars any more... assuming we can use Activesync to do our dirty business for us in terms of getting new certificates on the damn thing (failing that it'll be SPL hacking time) then it won't be a problem.
the proper Vista OS is interesting too... it's actually deployed in a bastardised sort of Symantec Ghost image type thing, but it weighs in at 8GB so there's not a bloody chance in hell you'll be seeing updates to this in their entirety.
Hey guys I'm new to this forum and everything that you guys do here(so if you could use a little patients with me i would appreciate it), but this forum has helped me to do some cool things with my htc titan, and for that i thank you. Now i ask you what kind of mods do you think will come out for the shift? There are some great developers here that can do some cool things, and from reading this topic do i correctly gather that it is possible to put wm6 on the shift, and it is impossible to put xp on the shift? sorry for the long post, but one last thing. What service provider and plan would be offered for the shift or what would be best for the shift?
Here is all drivers & other files for SE K750i:
http://www.topsony.com/forum/cmps_index.php?page=Download
Is this possible to develop a Win Mobile ROM base on this drivers?
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Here is all drivers & other files for SE K750:
http://www.topsony.com/forum/cmps_index.php?page=Download
Is this possible to develop a Win Mobile ROM base on this drivers?
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DUDE
Are you serious????
K750i is a great phone(I have one)... but not that good...
best regards
mikhe69 said:
DUDE
Are you serious????
K750i is a great phone(I have one)... but not that good...
best regards
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I've got one aswell.. It runs perfectly without Windows Mobile.. Hope it does with tho
I have an SE K750i (Black)
SE K750i hardware specs is near to HTC Typhoon.
Also the OS of K750i is: OSE:
http://enea.se/templates/Extension____12765.aspx
SE K750i hack software:
http://www.topsony.com/forum/local_links.php?catid=366
Win Mobile ROM upgrade for SE K750i can be the new software revolution.
Omg....
well even if what you are proposing was possible due to driver availibility and compatible hardware, the phone wouldn't be much of a use, video driver will be sure incompatible with any WM build and there would be lack of hardware for input and stuff
If any1 could make that working, i'll eat my shoes
Yes, you're right, but...
The SE K750i input hardware is very similar to HTC Feeler.(Only lack of 1 key).
HTC Feeler is just same like HTC Typhoon.
List of K750i camdriver & dispdriver here:
http://www.topsony.com/forum/local_links.php?catid=325
Is there someway to develop Win Mobile drivers base on those drivers?
Well the recompilation 'd be suicidal, but i don't see, how you could be able to decompile the entire GDFSs' and EEPROM for the k750 and extract the necessary drivers for thinks like entire SE based radio stack (GSM and stuff) separatley, so the new WM based stack could be engeneered and implemented as radio stack in rom. The video driver and it's kernell shouldn't be that much of a problem, so if this idea is possible, you could only build a wm2k3 based phoneless rom, without BT and GSM support. And that's just for starters, you'd have to decompile the EEPROM and EROM's to get all the stuff necessary, just to get the entire core of the system working, so the hardware such as CPU could recieve instructions... it's difficult as hell
From my point of view, it would be easier, to compile this stuff for linux, the instructions are more similar to linux, than to WM based core
IDK...
I prefer Win Mobile instead of Linux.
If there is no way, I prefer Linux instead of OSE.
Oh and new finding - i just tried to flash blank rom using Cruiser, and there is no way in hell, you could make something as bootloader for the K750i, so only way, how to get WM to the device is either buying a SE TOOL Box, which costs around 100 Euros, or get some sort of davinciteam.org or wotan.com like server->client based flashers. For instance XS++ is able to read and WRITE the k750i's EEPROM and EROM, but unfortunatley it couldn't write our desired 16/32bit filesystem...
maybe if someone 'd be able to make a virtual bootloader as the phone OS with full internal ROM/RAM read/write capabality - that way we could use normal flashing procedures, perhaps modifing Typhoons or some other similar machines SPL, but still, i don't see how you could push them into the device to behave as we want it to.
Yes, i know you can extract them, but u know, what hexadecimal gibrrish is the GSM driver? i don't think so - SE TOOL box is the option - it has sort of predefined links in it's hardware, it basicly simulates the devices RAM/ROM on the run, cuz the devices (SE has no such thing as bootloader or something, the system either runs or it doesn't) can't just "write the stuff on the fly"
OK...
Just tell me the name of all softwares you need.
OK i need someone to make a virtual bootloader / hardware bootloader (SE TOOL Box based) for SE devices, correct me someone, if i'm wrong, but i don't see any other way, how to get entire WM core to SE K750i. The ROM itself wouldn't be a problem, but since there's no SPL, we can't use absolutley different filesystem, than OSE uses
Slayer23 said:
Oh and new finding - i just tried to flash blank rom using Cruiser, and there is no way in hell, you could make something as bootloader for the K750i, so only way, how to get WM to the device is either buying a SE TOOL Box, which costs around 100 Euros, or get some sort of davinciteam.org or wotan.com like server->client based flashers. For instance XS++ is able to read and WRITE the k750i's EEPROM and EROM, but unfortunatley it couldn't write our desired 16/32bit filesystem...
maybe if someone 'd be able to make a virtual bootloader as the phone OS with full internal ROM/RAM read/write capabality - that way we could use normal flashing procedures, perhaps modifing Typhoons or some other similar machines SPL, but still, i don't see how you could push them into the device to behave as we want it to.
Yes, i know you can extract them, but u know, what hexadecimal gibrrish is the GSM driver? i don't think so - SE TOOL box is the option - it has sort of predefined links in it's hardware, it basicly simulates the devices RAM/ROM on the run, cuz the devices (SE has no such thing as bootloader or something, the system either runs or it doesn't) can't just "write the stuff on the fly"
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We need high-end SE tech guy.
Did you visit the official OSE website?
As a matter of fact, i have a friend working in GS Mobile as SE service guy (it's major HTC and SE devices service center in our country) i'll be seeing him on sunday for a couple of beers, so i'll tell him about our idea, he'll let me borrow their tool box 4 sure and he might even have few other suggestions but since he's a hardware mechanic, i'm sceptic about his knowledge of the software issues - as i said before, the OSE either runs, or it doesen't and what that means for him? Dead phone? -> se tool box -> GDFS, ROM, Filesystem flash -> phone alive, but maybe he knows stuff i don't - we don't talk about software a lot, i personally hate OSE and he hates WM so ... (It has gone so far, that when i bought my Touch, he took a deep red (bordeaux for *****es) w910i from his job and showed off all day ). Maybe some of his coleagues from the HTC division could help us out with the bootloader issue
Great...
Thanks a hell...
Also, the CPU clock of HTC Feeler is 200 MHz, SE K750i is 110 MHz
The SE K750i display is little small, no problem?
What about FM radio & infrared & J2ME?
The display size is 220*176 pixels, that is (at least i think) sufficient for rescaling the ui, motorola mpxsomethin220something has kinda same resolution (at least i think (again))
You can forget FM radio and IrDA, J2ME shouldn't be a problem
Thanks...
I really don't use both FM radio and IrDA.
Yes, K750i display: size: 28 x 35 mm resolution: 176 x 220 pixels, color quality: 18 bit, color support: 262K.
Since the K750i and W800i are essentially two phones with exactly same hardware specifications, soft modifications are available to convert a K750i to a W800i (software-wise). It will then feature the Walkman feature which is supposed to be available to W series phone only.
http://www.topsony.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49
& then upgrading to Win Mobile.
Using Far Manager to hack/flash/patch/customize Sony Ericsson K750i CID49 mobile phones
http://denilsonsa.sh.nu/~denilson/k750i_cid49/using_far.html
K750i ROM size is 34MB.
Enough for Win Mobile ROM upgrade?
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As a matter of fact, i have a friend working in GS Mobile as SE service guy (it's major HTC and SE devices service center in our country) i'll be seeing him on sunday for a couple of beers, so i'll tell him about our idea, he'll let me borrow their tool box 4 sure and he might even have few other suggestions but since he's a hardware mechanic, i'm sceptic about his knowledge of the software issues - as i said before, the OSE either runs, or it doesen't and what that means for him? Dead phone? -> se tool box -> GDFS, ROM, Filesystem flash -> phone alive, but maybe he knows stuff i don't - we don't talk about software a lot, i personally hate OSE and he hates WM so ... (It has gone so far, that when i bought my Touch, he took a deep red (bordeaux for *****es) w910i from his job and showed off all day ). Maybe some of his coleagues from the HTC division could help us out with the bootloader issue
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Any news...?
Not yet, dunno if i'll get to my PC after the visit in the Pub
i previously had a Tytn2. One of the best fones i've ever ownedexcept for the speed and the clunkiness of it. Upgraded to Rogers HTC Dream, but there are a lot of things i miss from the Tytn. Just wondering what functionalities other people miss, and possible this could brainstorm ideas generate solutions or substitutes on Android...
personally,
a) Tomtom, using nav with built in maps, no data necessary
b) official msn client
c) tethering (currently only using pdanet, non-root)
d) simple windows functions, ie copying text, easily moving files within explorer on the fone
e) others...?
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i previously had a Tytn2. One of the best fones i've ever ownedexcept for the speed and the clunkiness of it. Upgraded to Rogers HTC Dream, but there are a lot of things i miss from the Tytn. Just wondering what functionalities other people miss, and possible this could brainstorm ideas generate solutions or substitutes on Android...
personally,
a) Tomtom, using nav with built in maps, no data necessary
b) official msn client
c) tethering (currently only using pdanet, non-root)
d) simple windows functions, ie copying text, easily moving files within explorer on the fone
e) others...?
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a) copilot live. Its $35 and is on the market. You will need to root and run marketenabler though since canada isn't on the non-free market list yet. The maps are better than tomtom, the routing is smarter, and the route planning is MUCH FASTER.
b) There's lots of im crap on the market. Can't imagine why you would want this nonsense, but its there for you to download if you want it.
c) tether for root users. Again, root it.
d) you need to learn to LONG-press. And for manipulating files, either learn to use the terminal properly like the more intelligent people (it is MUCH easier and more efficient than using ANY gui), or find a free program called "ASTRO" in the market.
e) if you don't have a question, we can't provide an answer.
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a) copilot live. Its $35 and is on the market. You will need to root and run marketenabler though since canada isn't on the non-free market list yet. The maps are better than tomtom, the routing is smarter, and the route planning is MUCH FASTER.
b) There's lots of im crap on the market. Can't imagine why you would want this nonsense, but its there for you to download if you want it.
c) tether for root users. Again, root it.
d) you need to learn to LONG-press. And for manipulating files, either learn to use the terminal properly like the more intelligent people (it is MUCH easier and more efficient than using ANY gui), or find a free program called "ASTRO" in the market.
e) if you don't have a question, we can't provide an answer.
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hey lbcoder, thanks for the response, some good points there
A) does copilot run if i take the sim card out tho (no data used) ? if it does, then you rock!
b) fair enough
c) rooting tonite, once i get home. thanks haykuro
was there anything that anyone in particular liked about winmo?
kevwo said:
hey lbcoder, thanks for the response, some good points there
A) does copilot run if i take the sim card out tho (no data used) ? if it does, then you rock!
b) fair enough
c) rooting tonite, once i get home. thanks haykuro
was there anything that anyone in particular liked about winmo?
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a) Definitely works without data. Haven't tried pulling the card though, really don't want to open the case up.
d) I've always really liked that winmo never really caught on. They have too much of a monopoly and are perfectly evil and abusive... ever actually read one of their eula's? Its a "You want me to agree to WHAT??? No, I will NOT sign over my firstborn and my youngest daughter, and you can NOT have my testicles ".
I owned a TyTn II before buying an HTC Dream.
My transition to Android was through the Android port to the tytn2. As I was using android on the tytn2, I found myself spending more and more time in android then in WinMobile. After a while I started dreading having to go back to WinMo to access features that the android port didn't have functioning (like camera, wifi...)
What I started to dislike about WinMo was the fact that it has a stylus driven interface. Even though there are some nice custom WinMo Roms, that add some nice finger navigation to the main features, practically all 3rd party software is not finger friendly.
And Android worked so much smoother and snappier then WinMo.
Since getting the Dream a month ago, I haven't once thought about what I'm missing from the tytn2.
Just my experience.
I am pretty much in the same boat as the OP. TomTom was the biggie for me, as was the much better included mail client in WM. I was personally running Windows Mobile 6.5 and in fact am still running it on the Tytn.
I actually went back to using my Tytn and tossed the dream in the glove box. It wasn't till night before last when I rooted the Dream that I put my sim back in it. If Copilot works as expected I may try the Dream for bit and see if my feelings change. However I can see a new WM device in my near future.
Oh take a look at K9 for an email client. Still a bit clumsy to use, but worlds better than the built in mail client in android. Its still a very young phone and OS, I think over time it'll get better.
lbcoder - we have winmo hater! lol well at least i had my tytn2 running better than so many iphones....yeah i'm gonna hate on iphone
outsider787 - how did android run on the tytn2? was it laggy? i have to assum it was, as just its own rom was quite laggy. i agree tho, that it is frustrating to try to do things on the screen with your finger that was designed for a stylus
Capt Fiero - keep me/us informed with how the testing of CoPilot goes! with tomtom, i could just take my sim when travelling in the US and still navigate (atlantic city to ny!)
I replied to your pm, however wanted to add a few things here.
I still have yet to get copilot installed on the 10 day trial. Every time I go to download and install it, using market enabler it wants me to give them a credit card, and I am not supplying a credit card number or personal info through market on an app that I have never even seen in operation let alone tried.
Now as for going state side, I found it ridiculously cheap just go across pick up a USA AT&T pay as you go card, drop it into my Tytn and go from there. Its .10 cents a min vs $2.00 a min for roaming. You have to have your phone unlocked, which if you are on these forums, more than likely you already do. So now I just have a spare sim in my sim carrier that I swap into my phone when I am going to be in the states for an extended period. I thought about forwarding my CDN number to the US number, but never tried it. I just swap the card out once a day and check for any new messages.
kevwo said:
lbcoder - we have winmo hater! lol well at least i had my tytn2 running better than so many iphones....yeah i'm gonna hate on iphone
outsider787 - how did android run on the tytn2? was it laggy? i have to assum it was, as just its own rom was quite laggy. i agree tho, that it is frustrating to try to do things on the screen with your finger that was designed for a stylus
Capt Fiero - keep me/us informed with how the testing of CoPilot goes! with tomtom, i could just take my sim when travelling in the US and still navigate (atlantic city to ny!)
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How do you make a TyTn2 run better than an iPhone? That's ridiculous.....My friend still sticks to his TyTn 2 as it is a work phone and he regularly shows me his 'iphone-esque' tweaks, which are laughably jerky and unresponsive. There are a ton of things I could do on my old iPhone 3G that I couldn't do nearly as well on my TyTn2/Touch Diamond/Touch ProAthena/Exec, but that's another issue.....
As for the dream? Well I don't drive so I can't comment on SATnav software, but I'm very happy with the device as an internet-centric phone, and with the HTC IME and Handcent it's a joy to text on. I'd still swap it for a 3GS anyday though, as I'm not a humongous geek, just a lover of multimedia and the internet and the 3Gs provides a great browsing, texting, video, mp3, camera and video experience....
.....shame that the first batch are apparently getting so hot they're bursting into flames.
Anyway, enough of the iPhone crap, let's be straight here: If you LIKE windows mobile and you LIKE the way it works, get a Windows Mobile device. For what it does you can't fault it. If you want Microsoft Services such as hotmail and Live Messenger it will always be the better choice. Android will NEVER be Windows Mobile; it is a completely different platform with different aspirations and an open environment, driven by third-party developers. Personally I prefer the Android Email Client to the Windows Mobile one, but I've only owned a Windows Mobile device up to version 6.1 so the email client may have improved. Also I have a Gmail account.
The major selling point for me of the two is the capacitive screen of the G1. I just cannot imagine going back to resistive screens and styluses so no matter how much WinMo improves it will never get my support until it becomes compatible with capacitive screens.
just my thoughts....
just just got root access. can finally bluetooth. let's see android create 'Age of Empires" and make it as addictive as winmo version. robo defense is only fun to a certain extent
Before this turns into an Android vs WinMo war, they both have there big pluses and both have drawbacks. It boils down to personal preference and desired use. For some its just a a really hard decision. Whenever I make a WinMo/Android thread, I always state that both have there advantages and both have there drawbacks. So don't let the other side of the fence bait you into an argument that has no place on this forum.
I just got an error when trying to reply to your PM, nothing private so here it is.
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I never did get Wifi teather to work, and contacts I found it easier just to copy all the contacts to the sim then move the sim to the dream and copy them from the sim to the dream contact list. (over 200 contacts so any other way would take way too long)
kevwo said:
Capt Fiero said:
I don't know about root being "unlocked" or not. I have not tried that yet. I have not gone across the line with the Dream yet.
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cool
thanks again for the help. just trying to bluetooth contacts from Tytn to dream now.
and attempting to get WiFi tether to work. sigh...i guess all this work is part of the fun of a new phone
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i have almost 400, i dont think it could all fit on my sim tho
Well you other option and its a long way around but, if you have
MS Outlook
a Gmail Account and understand what a CSV value is, you are in luck.
Open Microsoft Outlook (must have your windows Mobile contacts synced)
Use the MS Outlook export wizard to export your contacts into a CSV file. Save it to your desktop.
Now open your Gmail account, go to the import wizard, import that CSV file into Gmail.
Now grab your Android phone, enter your Gmail account info, then tell it to sync your contacts from your GMAIL account to your phone.
Presto Bingo, your phone now has all the accounts that were on your Windows Mobile / Outlook account in your Android. This will work regardless if you have 20 accounts or 1000 accounts.
kevwo said:
just just got root access. can finally bluetooth. let's see android create 'Age of Empires" and make it as addictive as winmo version. robo defense is only fun to a certain extent
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dude, what's ur problem
kevwo said:
dude, what's ur problem
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Seems to me that HE's the troll...
kevwo said:
just just got root access. can finally bluetooth. let's see android create 'Age of Empires" and make it as addictive as winmo version. robo defense is only fun to a certain extent
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Robo Defense is only fun until you find the XML files that store your scores/unlocks Couldn't they use some sort of encoding to make cheating a bit more difficult for root users? All I wanted was to save my progress between phone wipes, but ended up giving myself 90 gazillion points and unlocking all achievements.
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Seems to me that HE's the troll...
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lol. serious. oh well.
you can hack it like that? wow! but is that more fun than actually OBTAINING the achievement yourself? those black planes are damn near impossible to shoot down its frustrating.
anyone actually play AoE on winmo?
kevwo said:
lol. serious. oh well.
you can hack it like that? wow! but is that more fun than actually OBTAINING the achievement yourself? those black planes are damn near impossible to shoot down its frustrating.
anyone actually play AoE on winmo?
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I entertained myself with AoE on an old PDA on a plane flight one time. Was nice to have. Android games have a long way to come, but compare teh age of the platform to WM and I feel hopeful.
All in all, I prefer android to the current WM (well I only got to 6.1 before I sold my tilt last year), but if there are apps you depend on, it can be a tough switch to make.
Come on xda users/devs in HTC tattoo section, we've got to participate more
energetic on this forum, not only when we have the need to ask some questions.
So.. the poll for this week, what would you change in HTC Tattoo,
if the HTC inc. would give you these options.
1) It's resistive screen
2) It's OS (some people would like Windows Mobile)
3) It's Camera (more pixels, or and flash)
4) It's look & Style (some people don't like it's style)
5) Other (if other option, tell us what?)
Think seriously and vote
Also you can choose 2 options on the POLL!!!
Autofocus Camera... Scanning Barcodes sucks on the Tattoo
elmargol said:
Autofocus Camera... Scanning Barcodes sucks on the Tattoo
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yeap i know... anyway
For all those people who vote, tell us why you voted this option
Okay then:
- The resistive screen because it does not support multitouch
- The camera, because it doesn't even has a flash light
Concerning look and style I have to say that it is cool that the Tattoo is fully skinnable - so no complaints on that
Greets
I've voted for camera, because i need autofocus for barcodes and text. Also I voted for other, because I want to get OS updates from HTC until warranty ends Or at least just open closed modules' source
TheSSJ said:
Okay then:
- The resistive screen because it does not support multitouch
- The camera, because it doesn't even has a flash light
Concerning look and style I have to say that it is cool that the Tattoo is fully skinnable - so no complaints on that
Greets
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Totally agree
NForce25 said:
I've voted for camera, because i need autofocus for barcodes and text. Also I voted for other, because I want to get OS updates from HTC until warranty ends Or at least just open closed modules' source
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Hahaha, i din't think about the update, but yes i'm sure you 've right
Summing all these opinions, i think we should send this POLL to HTC when it will end
'cause i know it's a low budget phone but it's missing some things very important.
Personally i voted for camera (autofocus) i don't mind having flash or not, i d rather
use a digital camera for shooting although the autofocus is very important for some apps and not only.. :/
About the style, i like it a lot, and the one i put a fav. stick on is the skinnable option
on this mobile, so i put a +1 on this mobile.
Now as it concerns to the update, i think that HTC doesn't want to update this mobile
cause everybody is going to buy this low budget mobile and not her mid-budget mobiles
as HERO, or as LEGEND etc...
Personally i've seen an htc tattoo running firmware 2.1 with a custom ROM and it looks
very very fast! so.. HTC what are you waiting for ?
I would like to change OS to 2.1 android
Same as battery... Need a larger one!
Stiflerlv said:
I would like to change OS to 2.1 android
Same as battery... Need a larger one!
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when i'll try the 2600 mAh i ll tell you
Nice, thanks for voting
I would have clicked camera, as this is my main bugbear with the phone -- that it does not have autofocus. Really annoying as I was lead to believe it did have before I bought it, and hence assumed that the barcode scanners would wokr once they were made available for QVGA.
But i ticked other, and this is more related to Android and Google and how it handles this phone. I would like to see the market changed so I can download things that we all know don't appear because someone has forgotten to click the "works on QVGA". I'd like to see something more similar to SlideMe where it shows the compatability options. I have used the market fix via SDK, but its time consuming.
- Mark
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I would have clicked camera, as this is my main bugbear with the phone -- that it does not have autofocus. Really annoying as I was lead to believe it did have before I bought it, and hence assumed that the barcode scanners would wokr once they were made available for QVGA.
But i ticked other, and this is more related to Android and Google and how it handles this phone. I would like to see the market changed so I can download things that we all know don't appear because someone has forgotten to click the "works on QVGA". I'd like to see something more similar to SlideMe where it shows the compatability options. I have used the market fix via SDK, but its time consuming.
- Mark
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but i think that some devs here "fixed" the issue with the market store
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but i think that some devs here "fixed" the issue with the market store
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Yep, there is market enabler -- but you need to have rooted your phone. (unless someone knows another way?)
I've done the whole download SDK to my laptop and set-up an image for a virtual device (320 x 480 res phone) with the image allowing access to the pretty much everything on the market (I get over 400 results when searching on 'video' compared to 163 when searching on my phone). So I can just run my virtual device and grab the apk using a file explorer like Astro. But it means I have to be at my laptop at home. And, the main time I browse the market is when I'm commuting on the train -- so would just like the market to work. Too many people seem to have problems with it, not just us Tattoo users. Everything about Android is open, but the market has unnecessary complications that limit it.
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Yep, there is market enabler -- but you need to have rooted your phone. (unless someone knows another way?)
I've done the whole download SDK to my laptop and set-up an image for a virtual device (320 x 480 res phone) with the image allowing access to the pretty much everything on the market (I get over 400 results when searching on 'video' compared to 163 when searching on my phone). So I can just run my virtual device and grab the apk using a file explorer like Astro. But it means I have to be at my laptop at home. And, the main time I browse the market is when I'm commuting on the train -- so would just like the market to work. Too many people seem to have problems with it, not just us Tattoo users. Everything about Android is open, but the market has unnecessary complications that limit it.
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that's a very smart way not to root your mobile and still get the same job
I hate rooting my mobile and flashing this... it's like havin' your iphone jailbroke
what's the point? i want HTC to prevent me from doing this by provide me
with the correct os option.. so HTC what are you waiting for ?
TBH, as an entry level device the Tattoo is pretty good. Whilst I'd love a capacitive screen it would be wasted on the small screen of the tattoo.
However, a decent camera allowing barcode scanning would be good
Capacitive screen will make me boast.
Auto-focus camera with added flash will be great.
And a soft back/return/close button or gesture will make more usable (fully depending on hard is keys is not reliable when aging)
Lastly missing of my 3G is the worst (aah! 3G+Secondary camera should be a must). I am still waiting for a 3G fix on this Indian version.
Camera for barcodes and close-up photos (only autofocus, I don't care about resolution too much)
Screen, mainly for multi-touch support.
I would also like an upgrade to Android 2.x because I really need BlueTooth.
If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate.
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life. You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code.
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile.
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC - Who gives a hoot? If people are on XDA, they're not very likely to worry too much about that... They get all their support right here...
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate. - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life.- I have not found this to be the case... I find it drains about the same as the stock rom that was delivered with my phone... You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code. Crap, just get the code... I didn't have to jailbreak a thing...
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile. - T who?
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
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Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...
Im sorry but most of this is utter FUD!
There are a few things wrong with the HD2 running WP7 but given that it was never supposed to work with it anyway i think its amazing
WP7 has been on my HD2 for months, it works fantasticly, and i wont go back to Droid or WM for my main OS
Note i do sill use a WM6.5 device for some key software that i cant get on WP7 but other than 2 pieces of software its great!
SD cards are a big issue, its luck if you get one taht works, that is one of the things you have to pay to be able to use this OS on our Device, if you dont like it buy an HD7
APN settings are operator specific, use the HTC connection tool and it will sort it all out for you
you dont need to unlock the device if you intend to use LEGAL apps from the market place, if you wish to use dodgy apps or unsigned XAPs developed by users then you will need to unlock it. Normally ALL you have to do is phone MS or use the chat and get a code, and thats it, everything works
Of course its unsupported by MS, your using software on a device that it was never intened for, why would you think other wise? and it is exactly that thinking that would stop MS from allowing (but not supporting) the HD2 because people like you assume MS should help them! Why!? anyhow, thats why we have XDA-DEV
Battery life is much the same, and very good if you consider PUSH is working
of course it will format the card, i dont see the argument here?
Install linux on your windows computer (not VM), does it format anything? yes it does
GunBuri said:
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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mate, talk to people on here that know what they are talking about before you make your mind up, of course the choice is yours but at least make an informed decision based on facts.
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Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
You forgot to mention facebook, but anyway those three things are what WP7 is targeted for. I got to play around with two native devices and to me they feel like a mobile gaming device that has the added advantage of making phonne calls and accessing the internet via a mobile network and not WiFi
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...[/B]
I agree totally as WP7 as it is currently even in native WP7 devices is not for everyone. Maybe in the future it will improve but something tells me it will not as it is not geared to be a functional OS for a mobile device but just a gaming and social networking device OS.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah
I just had to reply to this.
I'm tech savvy, but not so when it comes to phones, so i spent weeks reading up on here. No way could I do what you guys do, but I read enough to not brick my phone.
I followed one of the guides, phone worked but was buggy.
Then followed another guide, installed a different ROM and phone is great. Activated via online chat with microsoft rep who was very patient and helpful as I originally entered code using caps, should all be lower case.
I now have a fully functional wp7 device, bing maps works very quick, hotmail contacts sync constantly, zune music sync is flawless, battery now actually lasts more than a full day (used to barely do that on wm6.5) and now I even have a full res camera too, nothing wrong at all with wp7 on my phone.
Every once in a while it stops accessing my apps, but to be honest my hd2 already had the occasional quirk. A quick reboot fixes that (and it is quick).
I bought a 16gb class 2 sandisk sd card from amazon for £16 as I read that is likely to work. Not had an issue with it.
If you read around and understand it takes a little work (though not that much) then having wp7 on an hd2 is really good.
The only thing I'm missing is turn by turn with voice satnav, but that's missing from wp7 itself and will hopefully be resolved legitimately soon.
Sorry for the long post, but I really felt like I needed to comment.
by the way, thanks to all you guys for the amazing work you've done, allowing me to post the above.
guys is there any way i can dual boot wp7 and android , either from nand or sd card ??
Absolutely, via SD card and MAGLDR.
There is a thread with full instructions on the Development forum - here
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true........ but
argentocruz:
1. True dat
2. 16 gb micro sd card: $50, for that much, just extend your contract and get a refurb HD7, same price.
3. [Same]
4. Not in my experience
5. I live in the U.S. enough said.
You are still forgetting the internet sharing, which doesnt exist on WP7, which was one of the main reasons I bought the HD2. Also you have the file explorer, which was also very nice. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can download files directly from the internet, either in WP7; didn't have long enough to try it.
Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
I absolutely love WP7 on my HD2. Sure there are a few....I mean VERY few things I miss from WinMo, but not enough to revert back or go to android (bleh). I actually have a phone that works now, lol! The main thing I miss from WinMo on HD2 is the camera. Other than that, I'm EXTREMELY happy with WP7. And getting the activation code & unlocking the phone are so easy, it wouldn't deter any real poweruser. Plus I love the challenge of learning/hacking a new OS, especially one that's a challenge.
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argentocruz:
Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
yeah
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
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^agreed. I'm waiting for someone to release (probably cotulla) to release WM6.5 or WP7 for an SD card and just boot into whichever system is necessary. WP7 would probably be my primary because it is less buggy, easier to use, and has much better apps. Also I agree with you that they should have put WM functionality into WP7, because WM was probably the closest mobile OS to an actual computer OS, because it had the file explorer, also you can install programs from anywhere, not just Marketplace. That was what really disappointed me about WP7, and also it didn't have internet sharing, which was such a great feature! All you had to do was tap the button, plug it into your computer, and click connect and within 2 minutes you were getting internet on your PC through your phone.
Actually, if properly installed WP7 runs better than its native WinMo 6.5, and much better than Android!
I have been using it for the last few months without glitches, bugs, etc.
It is simple, all your basics (texts, emails, contacts, IE) are easily accessible; typing on it is better than anything out there (including Iphone), very simple and intuitive graphics.
However, when you get into 'hubs' and apps WP7's sheer graphic beauty comes forward. And this is what makes it a great OS, simple for every day use (too many screens and widgets in Android come to mind as something I wish to avoid), and beautiful when you get deeper into it!
Also, it is very FAST and stable!
There is also something called Touch Explorer which is same as File Explorer in WM6.5.
You can also download Navigo for your navigational needs, and may I tell you it runs perfectly and is very accurate.
There is a plethora of apps here on XDA which you can download onto your unlocked HD2 (an advantage over native devices) just do some research and you will have everything you had on your old WM6.5.
Do you remember the Voice Commander on the old OS, you had to reinstall it every time you flashed a ROM, it was slow, and leggy. On WP7 is fast and very accurate.
My advice is to properly flash this OS, use it for a month and you will not revert to WM or Android.
Also, it would not hurt to see the upcoming Mango update (go to Youtube) to see in which direction this OS is moving.
Microsoft did not enter the mobile market with this OS to play, it came to kill.
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Sorry for being off topic, but this guy's sig attracted me.
"Black HTC HD2" .. lol wut ?
I love the fluidity of the OS, but sometimes it is so simple and clean that it become annoying (Coming from Android NAND). I would still prefer android but you really can't beat WP7 on the HD2 since it has 720p recording. The HTC Hub application is pretty nice too.