Could someone Tell me why GPS fix is so slow (with every android build yet)?? most times it takes 5-10 Minutes to find satellites with googlemaps /copilot .. is this a Known issue ?? My location is the Netherlands..
Do i need to set the something in the startup.txt ?
Get gps status from the market to download satellite information for a quicker fix, mine works in a matter of seconds
Even with GPS status.. the thing takes a long time to get a lock
Try the solution presented here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738982 and report.
What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.
luigipirex said:
What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.
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i think updating quickgps in winmo is useless for android. if this would help, it would mean that winmo and android access/have/share the same storage on the device for storing satellite data. winmo would store this in nand...
hebbe said:
i think updating quickgps in winmo is useless for android. if this would help, it would mean that winmo and android access/have/share the same storage on the device for storing satellite data. winmo would store this in nand...
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It certainly isn't useless, as many users have reported this as a solution. For me, it was the solution that definitely worked. I've tried every other method, including editing gps.conf file, using GPS status, etc, and the results weren't consistent. But after I updated my QuickGPS on WinMo, I have been getting consistent results, every time I try, as short as 5 seconds to get me a lock.
As you should know, some settings in WinMo still affect your hardware in Android: e.g., look at the "calibrate g-sensor in WinMo" recommendation. I think this is also the case with GPS.
But! what you can do in wimo is also possible in Android: getting AGPS... with GPS status..
so getting Agps information is not the problem here..
Possibility's
The radio ? with some radios with my winmo devices it took 5 minuts to get 6 satelites and with other radios (like blackstone 13.32.24xxx) it took 10 seconds to get 11 satelites .. in 10 seconds..
So I really think its Radio related..
Or the gps sensor isn't working 100% correctly..
Shouldn't we test some radio's for best gps performance.,
What is radio blackstone 13.32.24xxx??? never heard of it before.
luigipirex said:
What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.
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Worked for me, thanks !! (it now locks in less than 10 sec, in comparison to several minutes before updating quickgps in Winmo).
The problem with some people in this forum is that they have to be smart ass, they will argue with you that there is no logic in your fix, even though it works. Too bad for them.
fstluxe said:
But! what you can do in wimo is also possible in Android: getting AGPS... with GPS status..
so getting Agps information is not the problem here..
Possibility's
The radio ? with some radios with my winmo devices it took 5 minuts to get 6 satelites and with other radios (like blackstone 13.32.24xxx) it took 10 seconds to get 11 satelites .. in 10 seconds..
So I really think its Radio related..
Or the gps sensor isn't working 100% correctly..
Shouldn't we test some radio's for best gps performance.,
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I've tried different radios and that didn't to absolutely anything to the GPS performance on Android. QuickGPS, on the other hand, gave me results. Even just using GPS Status didn't do anything for me.
By the way, A-GPS and QuickGPS assistance data are different things. QuickGPS can be useful to you even if you don't any signal when you are using GPS on your handset (if, of course, you have downloaded before your assistance data and it's up-to-date). To use A-GPS, you need to have signal...
Why don't your try this solution and see for yourself? You just have to update QuickGPS on WinMo. If you are using a light WinMo ROM, with no QuickGPS, try a regular stock or cooked ROM. The latest ChuckyDroid is a lite version, but has QuickGPS, though.
Try it, and then tell us if it worked for you.
Noam23 said:
Worked for me, thanks !! (it now locks in less than 10 sec, in comparison to several minutes before updating quickgps in Winmo).
The problem with some people in this forum is that they have to be smart ass, they will argue with you that there is no logic in your fix, even though it works. Too bad for them.
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I am very glad it worked for you! I was doubtful when I first read this solution... but it does work wonders!
luigipirex said:
It certainly isn't useless, as many users have reported this as a solution. For me, it was the solution that definitely worked. I've tried every other method, including editing gps.conf file, using GPS status, etc, and the results weren't consistent. But after I updated my QuickGPS on WinMo, I have been getting consistent results, every time I try, as short as 5 seconds to get me a lock.
As you should know, some settings in WinMo still affect your hardware in Android: e.g., look at the "calibrate g-sensor in WinMo" recommendation. I think this is also the case with GPS.
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some settings in winmo affect your hardware in android 'cause winmo is used to initialize the hardware, so that it has a certain state when booting android. this is due to the fact that our android drivers cannot initialize hardware (yet), so winmo is needed.
why should starting quickgps in winmo help in android? as far as i know all that quickgps does is downloading satellite position information to help the gps driver to fasten up the calculation of the current position in case of a cold fix.
if this would help in android, it would mean that the satellite data is some kind of stored *inside* the gps chip. otherwise andoid wouldn't be able to access the position data (orbit) of the satellites.
or am i completely wrong? if so, please help me and correct it...i'm just curious
hebbe said:
why should starting quickgps in winmo help in android? as far as i know all that quickgps does is downloading satellite position information to help the gps driver to fasten up the calculation of the current position in case of a cold fix.
if this would help in android, it would mean that the satellite data is some kind of stored *inside* the gps chip. otherwise andoid wouldn't be able to access the position data (orbit) of the satellites.
or am i completely wrong? if so, please help me and correct it...i'm just curious
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This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
It could be that because the android drivers are lacking in the HD2, we can only read from the GPS but not write (this is why updating the satellites work from WinMo but not from Android. because android can't write to the GPS chip).
Noam23 said:
This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
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thanks for your reply!
ok, then some kind of "quickgps" for android would help too...
so winmo is not necessary/needed for gps to work properly.
Noam23 said:
This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
It could be that because the android drivers are lacking in the HD2, we can only read from the GPS but not write (this is why updating the satellites work from WinMo but not from Android. because android can't write to the GPS chip).
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Thats a Good Point!
Holy Cow it worked! I mean it works!
Who can argue with that?
Sat data is input to gps chip. And the data is usually good for 7 days.
So if you use quickgps in winmo to update sat data, it will also make gps fast in android too at least a week.
gps status app in android also has the ability to download sat data, but quickgps in winmo seems better.
DON'T THINK ABOUT LOGIC. JUST TRY IT. IF you now a place where winmo gps works very fast, get a gps lock under winmo and then boot android. You will see that Android now gets a lock in seconds too.
Most people have problems with gps because their gps.conf file is empty, or they are not "really" in open air.
Gps will get a fix more difficult:
- If the weather is cloudy
- If there are buildings near you
- If you are actually inside a building
- If you are in a vehicle and vehicle is moving fast.
- If you don't have the assistance data in your gps chip.
- If you force your gps chip to do a cold start (instead of hot or warm start)
- If you don't have a working reliable internet connection (to download satellite data to aid in calculation)
- If you have an empty gps.conf file
Sometimes if I can't get a gps lock quickly, before blaming Android I reboot to winmo and see it doesn't always get a fast lock. Environment is a huge factor. So before thinking it is an Android problem, reboot to winmo use quickgps to download sat data and wait for a accurate fix in google maps or similar app. (google maps will first get your location from google location server which is usually only accurate to several hundred meters. Make sure you wait for the actual lock with a few meters of accuracy.
Since you "have to" load winmo before android (as no nand boot exists yet) just download sat data every few days before launching haret. It would be a good idea to get a fix and then launch haret.
The trick with quickgps also works in my device. Now android is almost perfect. Camera, gps work, no freeze. I only want 720p playback.
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This theory makes me wonder.
Why is there a xtra.bin in the windows folder?
If there was an issue with the GPS in winmo it was sometimes needed to delete that file and download it again via the quickgps tool.
I wish I could try the quickGPS solution but unfortunately I'm using a very light version of windows mobile and quickGPS wasn't included. I tried to download and install one but got the error message about it not being signed or trusted.
So I can't figure out how to run QuickGPS and take advantage of these fixes.
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Hello!
I have a Ipaq 614C and I have a problem. When i install the TomTom i can't connect to the GPS. In the HP asset's it appear GPS: Present but in the status appear disable.
Anyone can help me.
Thanks.
John
Check in TOMTOM which GPS com port it's using. Then change to same port
as set in Settngs->Systems-> External GPS -> Programs com port.
I dont use Tomtom myself but I've used so far Google Maps and NAv4All and it works fine without any changes.
Good luck.
On my ipaq 614, the default com port for the gps is port number 6. And it works fine with that.
im also having some GPS difficulties with 614c: i already tried it with igo8, tomtom navigator and latest google maps. it finds satellites very slowly and rarely, mostly never. anyone got an idea?
t
tibyke said:
im also having some GPS difficulties with 614c: i already tried it with igo8, tomtom navigator and latest google maps. it finds satellites very slowly and rarely, mostly never. anyone got an idea?
t
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did u try always out of the house in a open space?
most of the ppl don't know that u don't have GPS signal in close space.
second of all, first download with quick gps latest infos, after that start igo, it will be more quicker ...
chrees.
klaxhu said:
did u try always out of the house in a open space?
most of the ppl don't know that u don't have GPS signal in close space.
second of all, first download with quick gps latest infos, after that start igo, it will be more quicker ...
chrees.
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of course i tried it in open air, and at night on the balcony with no success. i will try quick GPS, thanks for your advice!
t
quick gps?
klaxhu said:
did u try always out of the house in a open space?
most of the ppl don't know that u don't have GPS signal in close space.
second of all, first download with quick gps latest infos, after that start igo, it will be more quicker ...
chrees.
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Hi all, mine did not come with any quick GPS installed, the older (tomtom related) version from the 6915 does not work on that device any longer, where did you get quick gps? or is it hidden somewhere..? Since there is no navi software installed, only google maps..
txs
From my personal experience with it, it took absolutely FOREVER to connect to a satellite the very first time I tried. Took about 7 "cannot find a signal" messages before I finally snagged one.
After that, it was ~20 seconds to connect every time.
I really dont know what the deal was, but after that initial connection it seemed perfectly fine.
So my advice is, try again for a little while.
I also have problems with GPS on HP 614c. But the problem probably not in the chip, and in programs as Oziexplorer and Google Navigator satellites catch and precisely defines a site, and Navitel works through time and that in a minute satellites as though fade and data cease to be updated, Garmin in general satellites does not see. Firmware update has not helped. Anybody has ideas?
p.s. sorry for my english
With program Navitel has understood, the reason was in program MultyDID, it blocked access to keyboards and deformed a signal from satellites, Garmin does not function.
rainerrabe said:
Hi all, mine did not come with any quick GPS installed, the older (tomtom related) version from the 6915 does not work on that device any longer, where did you get quick gps? or is it hidden somewhere..? Since there is no navi software installed, only google maps..
txs
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http://rapidshare.com/files/125147036/IPAQ_600_GPS_Quick.zip.html
ENJOY
Hi
I've had the same problem with iGO8. You have to change the sys file in the iGO directory on the storage card. Here what I have there:
[folders]
app="%SDCARD%/iGO8"
[interface]
maxzoom2d=6000000
show_exit=1
[gps]
port=6
baud=57600
set_messages=0
[timezone]
sync_os_timezone=0
reset_os_timezone=0
EREZYAD said:
http://rapidshare.com/files/125147036/IPAQ_600_GPS_Quick.zip.html
ENJOY
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Could you upload this GPS quick to the forums?.. its not available @ rapid..
Thx
DSwarP said:
From my personal experience with it, it took absolutely FOREVER to connect to a satellite the very first time I tried. Took about 7 "cannot find a signal" messages before I finally snagged one.
After that, it was ~20 seconds to connect every time.
I really dont know what the deal was, but after that initial connection it seemed perfectly fine.
So my advice is, try again for a little while.
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I agree with all these comments and the above regarding open space. GPS does indeed require a clear view of the sky... but one thing not so often said is that GPS needs a clear view of the NORTHERN sky... most of the GPS satellites are in a geostationary orbit above northern part of the planet.
To the guy who has tried leaving the phone on the balcony... I suspect your balcony is south facing (very nice).
I have also found that the longer it is since your last fix, the longer it will take to get a fix. GPS satellites only broadcast their "here I am" messages every 30 seconds and it is mostly down to luck whether your phone is listening for the right satellite at the right time. That's why it takes a while to obtain a GPS fix on all devices. QuickGPS and other software tries to expedite the fix by allowing the phone to calculate which satellites will be the right ones to listen out for, based on a daily positions log of the GPS satellites (called ephemera data).
GPS does work quite well on the 614c (I use tomtom 6.3 and Google Maps, both extensively)... but it does often take a long time to get a fix - sometimes even 10 minutes.
hipppo said:
I agree with all these comments and the above regarding open space. GPS does indeed require a clear view of the sky... but one thing not so often said is that GPS needs a clear view of the NORTHERN sky... most of the GPS satellites are in a geostationary orbit above northern part of the planet.
To the guy who has tried leaving the phone on the balcony... I suspect your balcony is south facing (very nice).
I have also found that the longer it is since your last fix, the longer it will take to get a fix. GPS satellites only broadcast their "here I am" messages every 30 seconds and it is mostly down to luck whether your phone is listening for the right satellite at the right time. That's why it takes a while to obtain a GPS fix on all devices. QuickGPS and other software tries to expedite the fix by allowing the phone to calculate which satellites will be the right ones to listen out for, based on a daily positions log of the GPS satellites (called ephemera data).
GPS does work quite well on the 614c (I use tomtom 6.3 and Google Maps, both extensively)... but it does often take a long time to get a fix - sometimes even 10 minutes.
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Very nice. I woud've never thought about that. However, i think geostationary orbit is when the satelite goes around the equator with the same angular speed as the rotation of the Earth. So these satelites actually go around in an orbit perpendecular to the equator. Yesterday i tested and got 2 satelites inside a room with north windows. Very cool. Do you use quick GPS. I installed it and downloaded the data for the next 7 days. I didn't notice any improvement. I use DESTINATOR 7 and Maspware GPSmeter 5.I don't really get it - who manages the data downloaded by Qgps - windows drivers or the gps software itself.
More GPS thoughts
Axlastro - the ephemeris data that QuickGPS and other programs download is nothing to do with Microsoft/Windows or with HP. It is official data on the positions and movements of the satellites in the GPS network. Provided ultimately by some government department, probably American.
If you have not noticed an improvement over a period of several days, I'm not sure why this is. This old posting might help you.
Ephemeris data is also actually transmitted by the satellites themselves. This is why, when you have recently had a fix, it is usually quite quick to get another one. Programs like QuickGPS are only therefore useful if it's been a while since your last fix.
Thanks. I googled the topic and got some detailed explanations.
http://wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs_agps_a_quick_tutorial.html
I also found a thread that says that QUICKgps doesn't work with the ipaq.
http://mobilitytoday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16767
So that's why i don't see improvement. However neither of the people on that forum has managet to improve their fix times. Can you tell me wich program exactly you are using?
strange. i never had problems with gps. very fast . newest firmware from hp site ,and 3 different roms,original 6.0 and 2 roms with 6.1 . Igo,garmin etc.
Some more info
Really. Which program do you use, so i can try with it too.
I spoke to HP support and they said that it depends on the GPS software if it will use the aGPS function, so we have to check if the software we use is compatable with tha Qualcomm 6820 gps chipset of the ipaq.
Install this
http://uploading.com/files/YI4IJTCC/PART1-GPS Quick.zip.html
Now update the app
Install this
http://uploading.com/files/15FMK62B/PART2-QuickGPS.CAB.html
Now update the second app but on this update you will get at 79% a fail note
Ignore it and check your GPS...
from my testes you will get a better hot fix (time )
If you are after SR or cold fix update the second app (the one that fails)
Good luck
Ps at the end it will look like this
sorry about quality of the move ,I had to upload to youtube ….so I compressed the file
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYbVnuwvluo
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Hello every one ,
Am a new member to this and last week I bought (HTC touch 3G) phone online it came from china
New but I notice that the GPS & wifi not working good and by the way there is no quick GPS application It look deferent applications than normal also when I checked the serial number it said its not valid with www.HTC.com , The device information are
PDA version V03.04.00
PDA Build s0906020941(1.18.....)_BV
Stack version v02.42
Stack build May 16 2009
Radio version 1.3
Radio package 2.2
I need your help
Thanks in advance
It might be a fake! see-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525336
Found 100% fix
goto http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?njyzllmlzmw download it no more orange unique just htc took me just 15 mins should work on the fack htc touch 3g's to
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kaly45 said:
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Hello every one ,
Am a new member to this and last week I bought (HTC touch 3G) phone online it came from china
New but I notice that the GPS & wifi not working good and by the way there is no quick GPS application It look deferent applications than normal also when I checked the serial number it said its not valid with www.HTC.com , The device information are
PDA version V03.04.00
PDA Build s0906020941(1.18.....)_BV
Stack version v02.42
Stack build May 16 2009
Radio version 1.3
Radio package 2.2
I need your help
Thanks in advance
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Most PDA GPS's do not turn on automatically by themselves unless instructed or invoked by a software application. I have not looked carefully at my Jade clone's SIRF's specifications but most GPS under ideal situations can take as little as 42 seconds when warmed up to get four satellites to lock on to. Four satellites are necessary in most sytems are necessary for 3D satellite navigation (satnav or GPS).
What are ideal situations? Glad you asked. Basically, one of the most critical needs for a GPS is accurate time. This is the first item that must be sync'ed by satellites. To use a gross example, let's say your clock is off 60 minutes. In a car that could equate to roughly 60 miles. Satellites need accurate time because when they begin to sync, they will compute what satellites are available to sync with your GPS. Just like the sun, moon and stars are only in the sky at moving intervals of time, only a fixed amount of satellites are overhead at any given time.
Once your GPS begins to sync, ephemeris data (which satellites and the times they are overhead) is transmitted to your GPS. When combined with accurate time, the resolution of where your receiving GPS becomes easier.
The next critical issue is where does your GPS think it is. If the GPS was last turned on at the factory (testing), then it will store that location as its last known position. Guess what? If you're in Paris, France and your GPS was made in Malaysia, your last known position known now as initial positon to the satellites will tell them based upon time to use satellites in the Asian area to compute your satnav position. A GPS without a good initial position will make it difficult for satellites to accurately determine your location which could now takes a minimum of four minutes as long as ten minutes and maybe even hours.
Finally, where is your GPS physically located? In ideal conditions, it is outside with clear sky overhead in a stationary location. It's easier to shoot a sitting duck; a moving target or a GPS on the go complicates all the issues of time, location and signal acquisiton.
To help you, I recommend you download a small cab file that be used in your Today screen. It is aptly called "GPS Toggle". In essence, like a mechanic warming up your car prior to you driving it on a cold day, this plug-in "warms up" your GPS for you prior to needing it.
There is one thing you need to do to help your GPS - it is best for WM to manage it (a recommended feature from Microsoft). Go to the Settings tab, External GPS (why it is called that on my Settings tab is beyond me). Then click through the screens to have WM manage the GPS. On one tab you will asked to choose a Port from which all your programs will access data. You need to use an unused Port. I recommend Port 9 but that is up to you.
The reason for doing this is if WM manages the data, it will keep the GPS on and provide the resolved info to all applications. If the programs managed the GPS, they could selectively turn on and off the GPS and also block each other from using the GPS. You don't want that to happen. That is why MS recommends WM manage the data.
GPS toggle, when installed on your Today screen, will have an ON/OFF switch. When you turn it on, it will on the same line tell you how many satellites it has found and when it has sync'ed with them. When you see that four satellites are in the green (meaning your GPS is found ready for 3D satnav), then you can use satnav program of your choice.
The GPS uses battery power and supposedly is a big drain on smartphones. You want to turn it off and on only as necessary. Hope this helps (it's sticky stuff good info)!
GPS Toggle download link: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gps-toggle.html
Brookse567 said:
goto http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?njyzllmlzmw download it no more orange unique just htc took me just 15 mins should work on the fack htc touch 3g's to
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Have tried to download - unable to open (as .php) - do I simply put the file in custom_ruu folder to then flash to the phone?
Thanks in anticipation
It might be a fake.
Open the Settings tab, go to "System" and look for "Device information". The CPU must be Qualcomm MSM 7225 and the full model name should be Touch 3G T3232. If not, it's a fake.
Thanks digsf.
Checked the phone and it would appear to be legit (just as well as it came direct from Orange UK)
It is frustrating that everyone else seems to be getting the roms to work, but for some reason i can't get them to do so - i must still be doing something wrong....
pmbb said:
Thanks digsf.
Checked the phone and it would appear to be legit (just as well as it came direct from Orange UK)
It is frustrating that everyone else seems to be getting the roms to work, but for some reason i can't get them to do so - i must still be doing something wrong....
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You might be in the wrong thread. And although you probably have already visited these links and threads, I will recommend them to you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=514406 Jade Flashing Guide for NOOBS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483465 Jade / Touch 3G Hard-SPL Unlocker
And here is where you might get mileage from your post/question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534581 All jade questions & answers here pls
And this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4336142&postcount=3
Good luck!
Cloned HTC Touch 3G
I went through the posts - I guess even I have landed up with a cloned HTC Touch 3G. Wonder what the drawbacks are. Somehow after a lot of tinkering I have been able to get my GPS to work (yes it has a built in GPS antenna) and it's accurate!
I set the hardware to COM 3, baud rate 4800
application to COM 0
In Google maps>options>GPS settings>manual settings (COM0 baud rate 4800)
IT WORKED!!
The WiFi can't be turned on with TouchFlo. Anybody has a solution to that?
I can't get a satellite lock on my HTC Snap.
I have enable "use GPS" in google maps. google maps will search for satellites and after sometime come back saying weak signal & some recomendations to look for clear view of the sky.
Garmin XT also can't search GPS satellites. I install GPS Test, it seems that there's a GPS hardware but somehow the signal reception is super weak.
I have sent my Snaps to HTC service center and the best thing they can do is change the mainboard. This also show no result.
Anybody, please help. i'm starting to get frustrated with this GPS issue...
Bing GPS
I use the Bing app and have similar issues establishing GPS signal. This is my first GPS device so I'm not sure if this is normal, or if the phone is crap for GPS, or if I'm doing it wrong. I try to keep the QuickGPS updated, but that doesn't seem to help. I thought AGPS was supposed to be fast, but faster compared to what? Maybe this is 'fast' for GPS. I have seen friend's full on GPS devices and they seem to pickup pretty quick. So... who knows?
One thing to definitely try is make sure quickgps is up to date and automatically downloading. garmin could NOT find my location without that up to date and it would show one red bar signal strength. once i loaded up quickgps, updated it, and ran garmin again, full green signal.
It's The GPS Hardware ...
I've tried it all with my Dash 3G -- and concluded that it's the GPS in the phone that is garbage. I've since switched back to my trusty OnCourse Bluetooth GPS and I get a lock in Google Maps in less than 30 seconds and in Garmin XT in less than 10. IMHO, the GPS is certainly a weakness on this phone.
It finally sunk in for me when I lost signal 9 times while walking a few miles down Beacon Street in Boston. Holding the phone in my hand it kept dropping the signal over and over again. So I gave up. Built in GPS is handy in a pinch (when you have 30 minutes to wait for it to find a signal) but for serious navigating I use my Bluetooth GPS exclusively now.
No true at all. the gps in the Ozone is amazingly fast.
drewcam888 said:
No true at all. the gps in the Ozone is amazingly fast.
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I completely agree. Simply because something is not working like it should for these others does not mean that the GPS is not good. I use garmin xt with my ozone and its is extremely fast at updating my position as i'm driving along.
Problem solved
Let say that i'm in a really bad luck. this is my first GPS device and its not working. After the 2nd time come out from the service center (2nd concecutive mainboard), then the GPS is functioning, normaly....
my maple can get lock on GPS signal quite fast. with AGPS updated, it can get signal lock within seconds (given you have a clear sky view). i found that it could takes some time for Garmin XT to get GPS signal, so I use GPS Test to speed up the process then start the Garmin XT.
so for those who can't get GPS signal. it's definitely your hardware. I also found that the online customer service officer at HTC is just a mere lips service / useless. they keep telling me to be patient and patient without real action.
There's a free GPS testing tool for Windows Mobile called GPS Test. Once that set up, you can find out which serial port is used by the GPS receiver in your Windows Mobile, and set Google Maps GPS setting accordingly. Once it's set up, Google Maps can easily find multiple satellites if you're on open space. Once it's using GPS, your location on Google Maps will be a pin point, rather than a large circle denoting your approximate location.
PS: Found out with GPS Test that my GPS receiver in my Snap is using COM4 port at 9600 bps
Sincerely,
Paul Pambudi
WIND Mobile HTC Maple users not getting GPS working PLEASE READ!
I went through four HTC Maples (two accounts each 1st phone was a warranty exchange for another non-related problem). Each of the four Maples could not lock in single GPS satellite. WIND tech support had no clue after many calls and tests run at their tech support offices in Toronto. WIND recommended that I get in contact with HTC directly to see if they might have a solution.
One call to HTC started the ball rolling and setup a trouble ticket. Within 3 days and about seven call backs to trouble shoot, HTC had the solution and both of our Maples now have fully functioning GPS with Google Maps.
The problem was in the ROMs that had an old version of Google Maps (both their WM 6.1 and WM 6.5 HTC Maple ROM for WIND accounts).
Solution: using the Maple's browser go to m.google.com/maps and install the latest version. Problem solved!
HTC customer service in North America ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!
Will I buy another HTC product? HELL YA!!!
Here's a gem!
My Snap used to take 30-40 seconds on a cold start to get a location lock (with aGPS turned on).
I installed the attached CAB (which just adds some registry keys, also found here: Here), which makes the phone use Google's aGPS server, and got a cold start GPS lock in 7 seconds... indoors!
arpitp said:
Here's a gem!
My Snap used to take 30-40 seconds on a cold start to get a location lock (with aGPS turned on).
I installed the attached CAB (which just adds some registry keys, also found here: showthread.php?t=544421), which makes the phone use Google's aGPS server, and got a cold start GPS lock in 7 seconds... indoors!
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The thread you listed for registry key changes doesn't appear to work.
Any chance you might be able to list it again?
Thanks.
AE!
AquiEsta! said:
The thread you listed for registry key changes doesn't appear to work.
Any chance you might be able to list it again?
Thanks.
AE!
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Sorry, the link was bad. I'm used to posting links in that format from another forum. Anyhow, it's fixed in the last post, and here it is as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544421
arpitp said:
Sorry, the link was bad. I'm used to posting links in that format from another forum. Anyhow, it's fixed in the last post, and here it is as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544421
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Thanks for updating the link.
I have tried both of the CABs for the non Nokia and both make no difference if you
can't get a GPS lock. AGPS simply does not work using the latest Google maps CAB
available.
The "FF Ultimate aGPS Tweak_supl.google_Generic.cab" actually makes Google Maps
take forever to just start up after being installed and still no location is updated
indoors. Also, the phone will not snyc now with the desktop and this is after three
soft resets.
Even worse is the fact the phone now runs slow as hell. Everything takes forever
to open and is VERY sluggish.
Installed the other CAB "FF Google aGPS Settings Generic.cab" and still the same
problems. What could be the problem?
Finally got fed up with the POS CAB and uninstalled it. So far I've notice that the
phone has recovered its speed opening items and the right ones not like before
with that POS CAB which would cause all kinds of problems. Snyc now works
and so this looks like I'm back in business minus the fact I still can't get the aGPS
to work.
Oh well, you can't win them all...
AE!
Guys,
Just wondering before I jump to Android on NAND...has any workaround found for QuickGPS ? We need WinMO to download data the GPS satellite tracking data...Android programs like GPS Status are unable to do it (atleast when it was running through SD)...has it been taken care of
I use GPS a lot...infact for me its the most used smartphone feature..that is why i'm so concerned
Without QuickGPS...it takes long time to get a lock
Mafioso said:
Guys,
Just wondering before I jump to Android on NAND...has any workaround found for QuickGPS ? We need WinMO to download data the GPS satellite tracking data...Android programs like GPS Status are unable to do it (atleast when it was running through SD)...has it been taken care of
I use GPS a lot...infact for me its the most used smartphone feature..that is why i'm so concerned
Without QuickGPS...it takes long time to get a lock
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looks like GPS is working (at least for this guy)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10200470&postcount=223
^^ Hmm guess it does work...not many issues have been reported so far...thanks for the update
But unfortunately I can't update to NAND...i don't have windows 7..only XP
You don't need Windows 7 - XP works fine.
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ohh didn't know...some people were saying that in NAND and SD comparison thread....thanks for the info
No worries mate
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App
Try the GPS Status app?
Mafioso said:
Guys,
Just wondering before I jump to Android on NAND...has any workaround found for QuickGPS ? We need WinMO to download data the GPS satellite tracking data...Android programs like GPS Status are unable to do it (atleast when it was running through SD)...has it been taken care of
I use GPS a lot...infact for me its the most used smartphone feature..that is why i'm so concerned
Without QuickGPS...it takes long time to get a lock
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Downloading satalite data with QuickGPS(WinMO) won't make any affect to Android-SD.
xmRipper said:
Downloading satalite data with QuickGPS(WinMO) won't make any affect to Android-SD.
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Sure it does...the GPS status didn't do much good atleast that was the case with SD builds...its all well known...
Mafioso said:
Sure it does...(...)
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QuickGPS just updates a file in your /windows folder. (I've just did a quick search and this file should be "packedEphemeris.ee" in windows folder)
Changes in your /windows folder will NEVER effect your Android build. There isn't anything related to it.
You can ask this to every android developer on xda hd2 section.
xmRipper said:
QuickGPS just updates a file in your /windows folder. (I've just did a quick search and this file should be "packedEphemeris.ee" in windows folder)
Changes in your /windows folder will NEVER effect your Android build. There isn't anything related to it.
You can ask this to every android developer on xda hd2 section.
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No Dude...doing QuickGPS download significantly speeds up in Android also...i myself have seen the results and so do other people...Its very well known solution..check here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788455
I'm not sure how it works though...but read in this forum only, Android on HD2 can't write data onto GPS chip, it can read from it though..which explain why programs like GPS status don't have much effect...even though they do the same thing...
Mafioso said:
(...) Android on HD2 can't write data onto GPS chip (...)
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No one can write data onto chip >.<
QuickGPS also don't write any data to chip. It just updates a file in windows folder, which is not related with Android.
xmRipper said:
No one can write data onto chip >.<
QuickGPS also don't write any data to chip. It just updates a file in windows folder, which is not related with Android.
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Possibly true....i don't know the real reason, but doing QuickGPS does speed up lock, atleast for me...without it, it takes ages > 2-5min...you should check the results for yourself.
all about your subconscious...
xmRipper said:
all about your subconscious...
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uhh did you even read the thread his mentioned and try it yourself? i also update quick gps in windows then gps lock faster in android
i dont know what the mistery behind it so you say me, him, and ALL other people in that thread just subconsciousy feeling it???
xmRipper said:
No one can write data onto chip >.<
QuickGPS also don't write any data to chip. It just updates a file in windows folder, which is not related with Android.
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I think the same. In windows it was a file that was downloaded locally.
When I had locking issues I had to remove that file, reboot and do quickgps again.
The reason that using quickgps etc seems to work in Android is that you already start the GPS receiver and hereby actually already starting the reception process. So if you use that GPS status progran and it says that it downloaded recent data for your receiver you already started the GPS receiver.
I do agree on the fact that there is something seriously wrong with the GPS driver.
On the HD2 with all the tools/gps proggies you get a lock and then you start seeing the bars which indicate the individual satellite strenght.
On my used to be Touch Pro running Android, and in WinMo (also HD2, HD, etc) you first see the sats and then you get the lock which is the way it should be.
^^QuickGPS dosen't start the GPS reciever...it only download the data..
I dont start the GPS receiver...normally just do quickgps download and boot back to android and its as good as WiMo
Mafioso said:
^^QuickGPS dosen't start the GPS reciever...it only download the data..
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I know that but most people keep trying with different proggies (meaning GPS test, chartcross etc) and those definitaly start the receiver before actually using the eventual program they intended to use.
I am using QuickGPS data download to speed lock in Android and for me that definitely works. I used Android for few months before tried that method and my biggest problem then was that I couldn't get a GPS lock under 10-15 minutes. First boot after that I got lock in about 10 sec and that continued. GPS lock was always under a minute. Not even turning the phone off and booting into Android changed that. I kept on clicking "download" in winMo QuickGPS after that and so far I am happy with lock speed. I use GPS almost daily and turning it off after use always.
I dont have any technical knowledge of how the whole GPS system works and cant really claim that it has to do anything with how fast the lock is performed but for me everything looks like it does make a difference.
clyder said:
I am using QuickGPS data download to speed lock in Android and for me that definitely works. I used Android for few months before tried that method and my biggest problem then was that I couldn't get a GPS lock under 10-15 minutes. First boot after that I got lock in about 10 sec and that continued. GPS lock was always under a minute. Not even turning the phone off and booting into Android changed that. I kept on clicking "download" in winMo QuickGPS after that and so far I am happy with lock speed. I use GPS almost daily and turning it off after use always.
I dont have any technical knowledge of how the whole GPS system works and cant really claim that it has to do anything with how fast the lock is performed but for me everything looks like it does make a difference.
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I use strictly Android, well with Nand no dual boot, and it locks within 1 minute here which is acceptable.
I know this topic has been discussed previously, but I haven't been able to find the answer yet so here goes:
As I understand it, GPS is working in all/most sense and cm based builds however AGPS seems to be an issue all have in common. From what I understand AGPS is just a helper function for quicker GPS locking so even though AGPS isnt working, you should still be able to get a lock.
Now, since before we got nand based ROMs for HD2 I used haret to load android from my SD card. Back then I used GPS depended applications like c:geo for geocaching and car navigation progs, as well as progs for finding nearest resturant when I visit other cities/countries.
Been a while since I had the need for it, but recently with the nice weather geocaching for example have become an interest. What I see now is that none of the ginger/cm/non-sense builds I have tried have given me a GPS lock. I have tried the GPS fixes, flashed Norway.zip for tweaking my gps.conf, installed gps-status but no chance in getting a lock. and yes, I have been giving it quite some time, outdoors.
Anyone else having these problems? I see from screenshots on for example the HyperDroidCM7 ROM that you can get a lock, so its not a problem for everybody. Is my assumption on what AGPS is, correct? Any worarounds to get GPS functionality working? Strange to have these problems now, since it worked kinda well before
EDIT: tried now with [10.MAR.11][CWM] RAFDROID HD 4.0.2|Fastest Full DesHD|DATA2EXT|[Rafpigna 1.8 OC], still no lock
There's no driver support for AGPS, so the best we can do for now is to tweak our gps.conf and use gps status. If you can't get a lock at all, it could be a HW problem. If geocaching is a necessity for you, you could go back to WM and sd Android, use WM to grab AGPS data, then boot into Android.
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I use that rom, but the 4.0 (really not much of a difference for me between the 4.0 and 4.0.2), and I always have a lock quickly.
1) Did you try installing the GPSFix.0.1 apk file and running it? that downloads a criticial file xtra.bin into your data folder.
Also try the 1.2 files and see if you have any luck, because I know in the 4.0 of Rafdroid, the gps works very well.
Same as Angeldeath, I use Rafdroid and it works ok.
Mine was faulty a couple of weeks ago and HTC warranty had to swap the board (and also did the screen, keys etc). In the end it would still lock but after a while it would freez or have no reception anymore.
But to be honest I don't like the GPS receiver at all in the HD2. There are numerous tests and other people to back me up on the tremendous jitter the receiver has which makes you jump all over the place.
A nice test is to place it in the car and switch on the cruiscontrol at 100km/h, or even worse at 180km/h. The thing will jump atleast 10% in speed.
When I need to drive or walk long trips I use my iBlue 747A+ 66 Ch Bluetooth GPS Logger which you can buy cheap on ebay.
That thing logs, is fast, deadly accurate and with the free 'bluetooth gps' on the market you can even use it on the HD2
huggs said:
There's no driver support for AGPS, so the best we can do for now is to tweak our gps.conf and use gps status. If you can't get a lock at all, it could be a HW problem. If geocaching is a necessity for you, you could go back to WM and sd Android, use WM to grab AGPS data, then boot into Android.
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The AGPS thing on WM and then booting into Android is a myth, there's an extenvise work being done to make AGPS work on Android for our HD2s, but they have not managed to get it working yet.
Android on our HD2 simply doesnt have any commands to load AGPS, and the chip itself doesnt save any data. In the remote case it saved anything, there's nothing on the GPS Driver itself to read it
Quick tip to get your GPS to work:
Load Google Maps, let it try to get a lock, if after 1 or 2 mins it doesnt get any lock force close the app, turn off then back on the GPS and reload Google Maps. If you still cant get a lock, let it sit for at least 5 mins, then Force Close it again.
after that it should get you a lock in less than 10 secs.
Easiest way to FC it is enabling the "hold back to FC app" option on CM builds.