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Hi Guys.
I had a quick search for this but other than posts about the button lock "when off" thing, which I have enabled, I can't find a fix for this, what I consider to be, bug/fault/failing.
The thing which really really gripes with me is the dumb buttons all around the edges of the Universal. Sure, when the phone is off, they are disabled, but what about when the phone rings ?
I grab the phone but have to try to dance around any and all buttons because as soon as it gets a call it wakes and the buttons become live.
I've had to forget having the phone in it's case (I tried a krussell case for it but it stresses the screen hinge) because you have to wail away on the keys in order to get the thing out the case.
I could assign the functions of the buttons to <none> but it kinda negates them even being there.
A way to disable them when off and also on call receipt would be just the ticket.
gee, I really hate this aspect and if I lose another call I swear I'll throw it out the window.
I dont really understand your concerns.
I use button lock, and they do lock without a problem.
When my phone rings, the phone call buttons are active to accept or decline.
I also use the krussel case and didnt find any hinge stress, and had easy access to the answer and hangup buttons located on the hinge. mind use, i usually keep the clam closed so i had not problem accessing any of the buttons, ever.
I have also extended the ring time from the 10second default to the 30 second maximum available, so I am not in any rush to answer the phone in the first place, and dont need to visually see who is calling as I accept all incoming calls, or decline all incoming despite who it is. so simply pressing the green button located on the hinge is easy.
so alas, I dont understand your problem.
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
marcuskeeler said:
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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I tested this on mine and whilst you are right about the buttons being active, the phone answer/ignore window stayed foremost regardless. In my case i tested a button I have assigned to notes and the notes window appeared underneath the call window.
As with previous comments I really don't see the issue as anything more than trivial, especially considering the buttons size and pressure required to activate it. Perhaps someone will (or has) write a little utility to disable the buttons except for the phone answer/ignore. In the meantime I wouldn't worry about it.
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
sipat said:
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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You could try this case. I loved my previous xda2 case and this is the closest I could get with a belt clip. Phone rings, I unclip, check the green (middle) phone button, press and answer. Finish and press red (end) phone button and reclip.
BTW I'm not at all related to the vendor.
I use my 8525 in a side case and when the phone rings I usually pull out the phone to see who's calling to decide if i want to answer... though 9 out of 10 times i accidentally hit the answer button. I always lock my phone via device lock on today screen... is there a reg hack or setting which will allow me to disable or customize ALL the buttons (when in lock mode) on the 8525 so I don't accidentally answer. to me if i were to assign a button (ie power or ptt) to only be allowed to accept a call (when the phone is in lock mode) that'd be great. I'm tired of auto answering and what good does a device lock do if you can easily auto answer?
bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?
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bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?
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Sorry you're not getting replies and I have no solution of the type you are looking for sadly. I've tried to replicate what you say happens but it's not easy!!! My key is not that easily pressed and I always put the device back with screen towards my body - my fingers don't seem to get very close to the green button.
This is probably daft to suggest but have you checked the setting that lets you specify auto answer within X number of rings - just in case it's answering the call by itself!!. (apologies if you checked this setting already!!)
Mike
This may do what you want...
http://www.pocketmax.net/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=da5459e6aadc9c38d5a74b0276782091&board=19.0
Auto Answer is not set... the problem is (and it's a problem with the phone design) when the phone is locked none of the buttons respond until you hit the power button and then unlock the phone via the screen (which is good).
However when there is an incoming call or reminder the screen turns on and then a few buttons are active on the phone (send, end and the two soft keys seem to be). So when a phone call comes in, if the phone is in your pocket or the hip case while reaching for the phone it's VERY easy to accidentally press any of the active buttons and then accidentally accept or reject that call.
I've searched everywhere I can think of and I find little mention of this problem and no mention of a fix, most screen lock replacements only do as much locking as the WM5 built in lock does. The button re-activation after an incoming call is probably something built into the hardware. That's all I can deduce from this.
Thanks for the responses I've received so far.
I am on my fourth PDA phone and have used both Win Mobile 2003 and WM5. They all behaved this way and it is one of my biggest complaints with the Windows OS. I have seen apps for Palm that solve the problem. How hard could it be to have the option to only wake with the press of the power button?!
not hard at all, but the again its M$, i am surprised these devices to have ctrl-alt-del keys.
hello xda community
i'm very new to the blackstone and this is my first post here. so please bear with me if i'm asking very basic questions here.
my problem:
i carry my blackstone in my pocket all the time. and many people told me throughout the last days that they called me and that i picked up the call by accident.
since i work at customer sites mostly my phone is muted. so people call me and somehow i pickup the calls while the phone is in my pocket.
i always turn of the screen and i have the automatic lock (password protection) enabled. still when the incoming call screen comes up it looks like it is possible that calls are being picked up.
i know there is the slide which has to be moved to the left in order to pickup calls.
i have tried myself by calling my from my home phone and touching the screen and the buttons at random. and indeed the calls are being picked up. i was not able to find out how this is happening ... but it does.
so is there any setting i can change or any additional piece of software i can install to make sure calls are only answered when i want?
possible a reg key i need to change?
any help is very much appreciated
cheers
This isn't just a problem with the Blackstone; every WM phone I have had does this. I have found that a good locking program handles this quie well. I personally like S2U2 by A_C, but there are many others available. You can look in the apps forum, or check the development & hacking forum from the main menu.
The other thing to check is that you have all your notifcations set properly. I set all of mine to vibrate only. Many of them turn on the screen by default. Unfortunately this won't fix the problem on its' own though.
mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again
Is there a way how to disable the CALL PICKUP button which is on the left? so the first of the four buttons?
I think it's because it getting pressed while my phone is in the pocket.
thanks a lot
I use Pocket Shield - it's not free (free to try though) but it's worked well for me
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mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again
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No, S2U2 will unlock itself for a phone call and then lock the phone again after the call. So no need to slide to unlock and then answer your phone. It has a bunch of different settings, and yes I believe it locks the hard buttons.
thanks folks for the replies
i found all the settings i was looking for in the S2U2 options. so i'm good right now.
thanks again
You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.
I've used AE Button Plus to disable the 'Answer' and 'End' hardware keys and re-mapped them to turn wifi and bluetooth off and on. This way there is no chance of hanging up on a call by mistake since you need to use the slide to answer on screen.
Similar but opposite problem
I'm having a problem along the same lines. If I get a call when the phone is in my pocket and answer it on my bluetooth headset, when the call ends the phone then rings someone else, usually the same person who is at the top of my contacts list. Not only is this damned annoying for me, it's getting a bit tedious for the person getting the unwanted calls.
Is there any way to get the phone to immediately lock as soon as a call terminates to prevent this happening? I'm assuming that once the call ends and it returns to the default contact/dial pad screen, the merest brush against the screen will be enough to start a new call.
I'm beginning to think I should have stuck with my iPhone
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You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.
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I've the exact same problem, 3/4 of the incoming calls rejected when I get the phone out of my pocket due to End button accidentally pressed.
What did they thought when they implement the slide to answer ????
The purpose of the slide to answer is to avoid such accident, but why the hell did they keep the Answer / End buttons active ????? total non sense to me.
Will check if this AE Button + app can solve this annoying behaviour.
has anyone tried Lockmelite?
It may help - haven't used it myself though.
x 2 for PocketShield. It uses the light sensor in your phone to prevent the touchscreen from activating when the device is inside, say, a pouch, or in your pocket.
I'm using evaluation version 2.6.2.10, which as I understand it, has full functionality, except that every now and then, randomly (and IMO infrequently enough to not be annoying) before unlocking it displays a 10 second message saying that you're using an evaluation version. Note that this *never* happens during an incoming phone call. Good stuff.
Hi,
Try TouchLockPro :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
Now it handle light unlock in any cases, that as solved all my issues (pocket, in cas BT,...) and fulfill all my requirements.
BR
Pocket Shield doing perfect job for me
I use AE Buttons Plus to disable the "Answer" & "End" virtual buttons. Then I used iconsoft Phonext to handle all my calling functionalities. When a call comes in, Phonext display a lock screen which you have to slide before it presents you with all the options like answer, decline, silence etc.
This way, I never accidentally pickup a call or dial a number.
Hi there,
I am a little ticked off with the way the phone switches the light off and you HAVE to press a button to get it back up when in the middle of a call.
Is there any way to keep the phone awake while on a call? Ofcourse, I HAVE tried out "Shake Awake", but thats a little buggy too.
And also, the buttons for Hold, Mute, Speaker mode and all those options come up only when you press the menu button. Is there any alternate dialler available or something which can get all these options on the screen while on the call like the iPhone as its easier to use it than press the button to get the options?
just install keepscreen.
edit: this will keep the screen alive. about the alternative dialer i don't know. but be aware that the phone has no proximity sensor, so you are prone to accidentally press random buttons.
Cool. Will check it out man. Thanks.
I have a different problem - since, sadly, Hero has not got a proximity sensor, I constantly drop my calls by accidently touching the end call button with my cheek. I believe that's a reason the screen backlight goes off so quickly during a call - when the screen is off, it does not react to touch too, so that accident call drops would be less likely.
There are still some serious problems though. First of all, screen timeout during a call is not short nough - while you can know that you must wait a few seconds before you can actually touch the phone with the face, others can't, so call drops are, sadly, unavoidable in such cases. The fact that hold, mute and other buttons are hidden under the menu button is a good thing not only because it keeps Android phillosophy straight, but reduces chances of unwanted misc. actions. The solution of this problem could be an option to disable the end call button, since there are dedicated hardware keys for that.
I have also noticed that if you minimize the dialer during a call with home button, the screen timeout will not be quick, so before continuing a call it's a good idea to bring the dialer back by tapping the hardware call button so the screen timeout becomes quiick again.
Very true. I thought about all these before I posted, but on the other end, I just said 'f it' to myself and asked it here.. hehe.
I wonder if iPhone users have such issues.
As someone in this forum mentioned, it is best to have the screen switched OFF during a call, unless you have something to do. This way, it prevents you from fiddling with the controls.
Not just the hero, earlier models too have this feature. It quite odd in the beginning, but you will love it later.
subhramani said:
Hi there,
And also, the buttons for Hold, Mute, Speaker mode and all those options come up only when you press the menu button.
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Not necessary!
During a call
- Press "Call" to hold (will also mute)
- Press and hold "Call" to activate speaker mode.
I know this question has been asked already but has anybody yet found a way to disable to hardware buttons whilst the phone is locked to prevent accidently answering or rejecting an incoming call whilst removing the HD2 from your pocket or pouch?
I have tried various software, tweaks that i found whilst searching this site but cant get any of them to work
Had my HD2 since Tuesday and love it, just need to find a way to stop answering the phone when taking it out of the pouch!
This is very important thing and I hope someone will find a solution soon.........
hi
there are solutions, pokectshield and s2u
iosu
I too need this, I have tried the ones mentioned but they either dont work or they have their own slide ontop of the HTC slide, so 2 in effect.
Would be nice to have one that just disables the button!
S2u2 and pocket shield did not lock the volume buttons for me so when in pocket they were still pressed annoying me a lot when I listen to my tunes. Pressing any other button was bringing the screen back to lock so in other words no difference at all.
iosub said:
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there are solutions, pokectshield and s2u
iosu
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How is this done with S2U? I installed it and the buttons still worked.
My experience is that if anything the bigger slider caused more chance of it unlocking accidentally, if the phone moves and the screen rubs against your leg. Wasn't an issue with a resistive screen but mine was worse for 'unlocking itself' with S2U. So far it texted a nonsense sms to an ex and rang my mum all by itself - both dangerous!
I always put it in that way yo help protect the screen from being knocked accidentally.
There is a perfectly working solution for this here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556801
Simple and nice, install and soft reset and never worry about pressing the button while taking your phone out of the cover.
umiss said:
There is a perfectly working solution for this here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556801
Simple and nice, install and soft reset and never worry about pressing the button while taking your phone out of the cover.
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That application is for locking the hardward buttons when in a call, not when the phone is locked, or am I missing something?
Cret said:
How is this done with S2U? I installed it and the buttons still worked.
My experience is that if anything the bigger slider caused more chance of it unlocking accidentally, if the phone moves and the screen rubs against your leg. Wasn't an issue with a resistive screen but mine was worse for 'unlocking itself' with S2U. So far it texted a nonsense sms to an ex and rang my mum all by itself - both dangerous!
I always put it in that way yo help protect the screen from being knocked accidentally.
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I tried S2U2 also and having no problem disabling the call answer and call end buttons when there is incoming call.
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That application is for locking the hardward buttons when in a call, not when the phone is locked, or am I missing something?
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It's quite the other way around. At least the cab I installed. Hardware buttons work in call, but when the phone is locked and there is an incoming call the buttons are locked (to prevent the accidental pressing).
Hence, not disabling anything you actually would like to use.
EDIT: This is what the description says:
"InCall Lock will temporarily disable Send (aka Talk, Green) and End (aka Red) hardware buttons when you receive an incoming call in order to prevent accidental call pickups/rejects while you are pulling your device out of your pocket. All other hardware buttons are untouched."
So the name can be obfuscating, but as the description says, the yes/no hardware buttons are disabled during an incoming call (prior to answering), but active during the actual call.
chongbh said:
I tried S2U2 also and having no problem disabling the call answer and call end buttons when there is incoming call.
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This thread is not about disabling buttons when there is an incoming call.
I can't believe there is not solution for this problem yet !
Xeon said:
I can't believe there is not solution for this problem yet !
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I don't know if I'm misinterpreting the question, but there is a solution for disabling the hardware keys to prevent accidental answer/reject of an incoming call which I've linked to earlier in this thread.
I have that solution installed right now, and when someone is calling I cant answer or reject by pressing the hardware buttons, I have to use the slider on the touch screen.
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I don't know if I'm misinterpreting the question, but there is a solution for disabling the hardware keys to prevent accidental answer/reject of an incoming call which I've linked to earlier in this thread.
I have that solution installed right now, and when someone is calling I cant answer or reject by pressing the hardware buttons, I have to use the slider on the touch screen.
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What I want is to prevent the keypad from waking up the device unless you press the power key.
Cret said:
How is this done with S2U? I installed it and the buttons still worked.
My experience is that if anything the bigger slider caused more chance of it unlocking accidentally, if the phone moves and the screen rubs against your leg. Wasn't an issue with a resistive screen but mine was worse for 'unlocking itself' with S2U. So far it texted a nonsense sms to an ex and rang my mum all by itself - both dangerous!
I always put it in that way yo help protect the screen from being knocked accidentally.
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chongbh said:
I tried S2U2 also and having no problem disabling the call answer and call end buttons when there is incoming call.
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umiss said:
I don't know if I'm misinterpreting the question, but there is a solution for disabling the hardware keys to prevent accidental answer/reject of an incoming call which I've linked to earlier in this thread.
I have that solution installed right now, and when someone is calling I cant answer or reject by pressing the hardware buttons, I have to use the slider on the touch screen.
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No one here wants buttons to be disabled when call is incoming. We just want buttons to be disabled when you put device in to sleep.
Go on test it. Put music on in music tab or WM player or any other with your headphones or without. Press red button to put device in to sleep mode (use manual lock if you have disabled auto lock). Press volume buttons and see what happens.
If you have s2u2 or pocket shield or nothing effect is the same.
ruscik said:
No one here wants buttons to be disabled when call is incoming. We just want buttons to be disabled when you put device in to sleep.
Go on test it. Put music on in music tab or WM player or any other with your headphones or without. Press red button to put device in to sleep mode (use manual lock if you have disabled auto lock). Press volume buttons and see what happens.
If you have s2u2 or pocket shield or nothing effect is the same.
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I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. The thread clearly states in the first post
"has anybody yet found a way to disable to hardware buttons whilst the phone is locked to prevent accidently answering or rejecting an incoming call whilst removing the HD2 from your pocket or pouch?"
The answer to this is yes, and I've linked to the solution previously.
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No one here wants buttons to be disabled when call is incoming.
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Sorry buddy but you're quite wrong. That's EXACTLY what I want and apologies if I wasn't crystal clear in describing it - I may not have been since I also want the same as you.
Umiss - I'm going to go and check out that cab you mentioned because if that really works then brilliant!!!!
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Sorry buddy but you're quite wrong. That's EXACTLY what I want and apologies if I wasn't crystal clear in describing it - I may not have been since I also want the same as you.
Umiss - I'm going to go and check out that cab you mentioned because if that really works then brilliant!!!!
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so how do you want to answer a call with this cab installed and enabled?
i also would like to prevent unwanted presses....but i do want to reject or accept a call on some way, without mispressing a button.
When a call comes in the screen is enabled so I just slide to answer or reject. It won't happen by accident in all likeliness, and removes the huge annoyance of the hardware buttons being accidentally pressed. It's the one thing that majorly pisses me off about this awesome phone.
If they wanted to, they could simply do a cab file that disables them perhaps when the proximity sensor detects the face of the phone is against something. That would be good too, unless I'm not considering some factor.
Hmmm, I've just installed that app and it seems to only partly work.
The reject call button locks perfectly but the answer button does not lock so it can still be pressed. I also managed to press the home button and get to the Sense screen once, but when I tried this a second time it didn't do it, so I think it might be a bit buggy.
A definite step in the right direction though, at least I now have fewer buttons that can be pressed accidentally!