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Picture Quality disappointing

I took a picture and the picture looked good until I zoomed in. Despite taking a "superfine" picture on the maximum available resolution, zooming in resulted in an extremely grainy photograph. Pictures taken on my HTC Raphael running Windows Mobile look far better.
I am still happy with the phone and I am sure the picture quality will be fine for what little I use it for, but I really expected a much higher level of detail.

Have you considered the Galaxy S allows for larger zoom?

I moved the pictures from the Raph to my Galaxy S, so I am viewing them on the same platform.

jaredangus said:
I moved the pictures from the Raph to my Galaxy S, so I am viewing them on the same platform.
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But the picture you took on your ralph is how many megapixels?
Either way a photo when viewed on a monitor will be resized to 1080 max.your just Digital Zooming farther...megapixel doesn't mean quality..it just means your capturing more

3.2 Megapixels on the Raph. I'm going to mess around with settings and see if I can get a better picture, but I was really hoping for this phone to have everything working well out of the box without tweaking.

It's not disappointing because I wasn't expecting much. But the signal to noise ratio of the pics is low. You can see quite a bit of grain. I do like the color saturation.
Meh, it works as a phone cam.
So far with the GPS/Compass issues and the average quality cam, I'm not considering this a "superphone" or a premium Android device. It's just ok. And I'm ok with that.

jaredangus said:
3.2 Megapixels on the Raph. I'm going to mess around with settings and see if I can get a better picture, but I was really hoping for this phone to have everything working well out of the box without tweaking.
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it is working well....take your pc and resize the images to 1920x1080...
again megapixels does not give you quality..but allows you for farther zoom..if you zoom in more...I have a 6mp canon camera...when I zoom it it looks grainy as well..but when its printed or uploaded..it is rescaled to proper resolution..then it looks perfect...

More megapixels equals less quality on any small device.
Ps I thought that Vibrant didnt have gps issues, no ?

I noticed the same grainy quality and am slightly disappointed as well. But if you make sure you are in the best mode for your environment the quality improves appreciably. Still, the issue is not happy making.

kolyan said:
More megapixels equals less quality on any small device.
Ps I thought that Vibrant didnt have gps issues, no ?
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From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...

gTen said:
From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
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Wrong, the GPS issue is actually more pronounced in other apps, for example, My Tracks.
Firmware upgrade didn't fix anything.
GPS and compass both are ****ty.

jaredangus said:
I took a picture and the picture looked good until I zoomed in. Despite taking a "superfine" picture on the maximum available resolution, zooming in resulted in an extremely grainy photograph. Pictures taken on my HTC Raphael running Windows Mobile look far better.
I am still happy with the phone and I am sure the picture quality will be fine for what little I use it for, but I really expected a much higher level of detail.
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Apparently the gallery isn't zooming in on photos like it should. Instead of comparing on your phone in the gallery, transfer the photos to a PC and compare on the PC.
You'll notice the GalaxyS pictures come out just fine.

gTen said:
From what I read...the GPS issue is only with Google Maps when there was one, when using a GPS software there was no issue..but firmware upgrade fixed that either way..
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...
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Droid X might've nailed it. Dual Leds, panoramic shotting....

I moved over from a Nexus One...and I feel the same way...i love this phone, but the picture quality is not on par with the Nexus. I'm going it's a software issue and can be fixed.
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kolyan said:
Droid X might've nailed it. Dual Leds, panoramic shotting....
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They did a side by side of a Galaxy S and DroidX camera...the Galaxy S pretty much destroyed the DroidX..mostly in video recording...
http://thedroidguy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-captivate-vs-motorola-droid-x.html

gTen said:
They did a side by side of a Galaxy S and DroidX camera...the Galaxy S pretty much destroyed the DroidX..mostly in video recording...
http://thedroidguy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-captivate-vs-motorola-droid-x.html
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i dont really use Video feature on cellphones, but I do use Camera for shots when I dont have my S90 around.
I noticed on then vid that Galaxy was recording in 480p and Droid X in 720p.....whats up with that ?

kolyan said:
i dont really use Video feature on cellphones, but I do use Camera for shots when I dont have my S90 around.
I noticed on then vid that Galaxy was recording in 480p and Droid X in 720p.....whats up with that ?
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Yes I noticed that too..but for some reason the 480p version came out still better then the Droid 720p...its possible he accidently had it set to 480p or uploaded it as 480p
The G being an actual photo camera...
http://gadgetsdna.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/smartphone-comparisons_original1.jpg

gTen said:
@bdjnk - Again..this is to be expected...megapixels != quality...it only allows for more zoom...the quality when compared was no different then a 5mp canon camera...so far the Galaxy S actually has the best camera of any phone of the same class...
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I didn't mention the word megapixel. I was talking about the noticable graininess that exists when viewing pictures, taken with the vibrant, at 100% zoom.
reuthermonkey said:
Apparently the gallery isn't zooming in on photos like it should. Instead of comparing on your phone in the gallery, transfer the photos to a PC and compare on the PC.
You'll notice the GalaxyS pictures come out just fine.
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Hm, not really. I am not an expert, but to my eye the same level of noticeable graininess is present on the phone and on my computer.

bdjnk said:
I didn't mention the word megapixel. I was talking about the noticable graininess that exists when viewing pictures, taken with the vibrant, at 100% zoom.
Hm, not really. I am not an expert, but to my eye the same level of noticeable graininess is present on the phone and on my computer.
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What I am saying is this is generally normal on an unprocessed image with high megapixel count..resize both images to 1920x1080 (which is maximum screen resolution now) and you can see what the actual quality is...
Or are you expecting the phone to act like microscope?
to explain, if you do 100% zoom a 1mp would look better then a 3mp, a 3mp will look better then a 5mp..a 5mp would look better then a 20mp..its just how it is..

EVO's camera is garbage

Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice

I like pics i take with it

magicalan said:
not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice
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It's the software that comes with it I've tried other camera software like camera pro it snaps fast like really fast. Just that the software needs to be updated for the HTC EVO. Far as stock camera video its the software encoding sucks. The hardware is great just finding the right software or somebody develops one. Seems as if all the devs are busy rooting and tweaking the roms that HTC and Google should of done before even releasing software. Then maybe the devs can focus on making apps for us. Maybe somebody will soon develop better camera and video app that really take advantage of this great camera.
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AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you focusing the camera? Press and hold on the screen in the area you want to focus and it will focus and snap the picture. The pictures are pretty good (not DSLR quality or anything, but much better than most/all phones).

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
2. Yes, the video quality does suck ass, but its been made a whole lot better here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711808. My evo is recording at 13 mbps in h.264, and the results are fantastic. We shouldn't have to be doing this, but at least its working.

It's a phone.
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Agreed. The camera sucks.. I think it's 8 in dog megapixels.

Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back

amirborna said:
Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back
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Very true. Tons of megapixels really only help when you want to get huge prints. The two most important parts of a camera in my opinion are the image sensor and the lens, neither of which are going to be that great on any phone camera. I think the pictures the Evo takes are pretty good for a phone.

The evo camera isn't amazing... but if you need quality pictures, DON'T RELY ON YOUR PHONE. It's a ****ing phone! Get yourself a point and shoot or a DSLR.

Guys guys think about it phone cameras has came a long way from back in the early days. Soon these cameras will take the place of point and shoot. If you want better get DSLR. I have seen some great
Photos around the forum. The camera in this EVO are capable of taking great photos plus EVO has the processor to handle it more than what a point and shoot has. Soon cell phones will be getting dual cores. But until then it is this whack stock software that is processing the photos. Take the iPhone 5mp camera making the EVO picture look bad because they have a great camera software. Only if somebody can write a better camera app if I could code that would of been the first app I would of made. That and a better video conferencing app.
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Mecha2142 said:
Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
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As someone who has owned and used both the iPhone 4 and the Evo (returned my iP4 for the Evo), I can confidently say that the iP4's camera does indeed destroy the one on the Evo. I love my Evo and wouldn't switch back if you paid me, but the cameras aren't even in the same league.
The Evo takes photos which are on-par with the smartphones we've all seen and used over the last few years. They're okay. You can put the pics up on your website, etc., but I wouldn't rely on the Evo for anything particularly important. The iP4's camera, on the other hand, is just amazing. It can hold its own against any of the typical $200 - $300 non-DSLR cameras on the market and, therefore, can effectively be your everyday, walking around camera.
The best summary I can give is that the Evo's camera is a good to okay camera -- for a cell phone. The iP4's camera is a very good camera -- period.

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you judging the fuzzy picture at first glance? By that I mean preview after your shot or in gallery? Because sometimes the picture if you don't zoom in it can look really fuzzy and then when you zoom in a title bit it corrects the picture quality and be very clear. Also download them to your pc and see how they actually turn out. You might be surprised. I am an avid amateur photographer so I use DSLR to shoot pictures. In good light the camera and software combo isn't bad. It has horrible low light capability but then again its a phone camera. And as many people said a few tweak here and there with the software and it will make a big difference. I know when they tweaked the HTC HD2 phone I had it made a world of difference. I know it will happen on this phone too. We have to let some get past the linpacks and quadrant scores for a little while before cameras become the hot topic
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the pictures aren't the greatest but i have gotten some really good ones. I attached a few. People need to quit complaining though, it's a damn phone and the quality isn't half bad, if we can make it better then so be it but it's good as it is. These are from when i took my lil sisters to the zoo we were at the butterfly garden. I didn't edit these at all and they look even better on my phone

Its inferior to other devices so actually we should complain. Sure you can get nice shots but its anything but automatic.

I don't think it's that bad. Took this picture a month ago.

I agree on both sides here...the camera is pretty decent, but I do believe software improvements can and should be made.
Hasn't it been posted here that the camera manufacturer is the same as the ip4's?

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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
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I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.

Cicatrize said:
I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.
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Exactly. I would have to say that's one of the reasons for the "megapixels aren't everything" argument. It's just a description of how many pixels the sensor can produce like you said.
If you have a bigger sensor (which is difficult in a cellphone camera obviously) like in a DSLR, you get bigger pixels. I freakin' love my new Canon Rebel T2i I just bought last week!

Droid X camera = crap?

is it just me or does the camera on the droid X seem kinda... cheap? yeah its 8mp with 720p video, but the pictures just lack a lot of detail (and are often a tinsy bit blurry)
It just seems that my old N1 was waaaayyyyyyy ahead in the camera department, and it was a bit older than the DX. I'm just wondering if anybody else feels that the camera is lacking for a high end device like this...

Prior to the droid X, I had a samsung vibrant and a nexus one. The nexus one camera was definitely better, and the vibrant was miiiiiiles ahead. The DX cameras doesn't focus very well...

In my experience I have taken amazing photos and some that looked like complete crap. Oddly enough using vignette I seem to get consistantly better photos than I would using the stock camera app. It might be worth checking out.
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Any camera that has the optics the size of a mustard seed isn't going to be that great unless the lighting is perfect and there is no motion. I can't wait to see cell phones with 20 Megapixels of pure grainy crap. Unless the lens gets bigger, don't expect much.

Yep....it's all about the lens. If you want better pictures, download Vignette...it'll let you make the pictures look good even if they aren't great to start out with.
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lol you think this is crap? try comparing this phone to the Droid incredible's HORRIBLE excuse for a camera, thne u tell me if you still think its crap

xmetl said:
lol you think this is crap? try comparing this phone to the Droid incredible's HORRIBLE excuse for a camera, thne u tell me if you still think its crap
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I always though htc's cameras were better. Maybe a bit saturated, but no where near as grainy. To each their own right
Basically dont take pics inside with the DX, and even if they do look grainy, they will look 10x better when reviewing on a comp.

It's not all about the lens...it's all about the sensor, and the sensor on the DX is garbage. The only way to help overcome a crappy sensor is to have very good lighting conditions, and even that is only a modest bump.

The pictures sucks... when you look at them ON THE PHONE.
They look 10x better when printed or on the computer... as Bad4U stated earlier.

xmetl said:
lol you think this is crap? try comparing this phone to the Droid incredible's HORRIBLE excuse for a camera, thne u tell me if you still think its crap
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The Incredibles camera isn't bad at all. What are you basing that on?

Isn't the poor compression methods a part of the issue leading to crappy quality pics?

****ty blurry pics is all I get with the x, vignette doesnt do much better...
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I put my camera on steady shot and get awesome pics almost every time. Have 179 pics on my card of my daughter (1st kid) all taken with my droid x. Everyone that sees them can't believe the are from a phone.
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toddman said:
Any camera that has the optics the size of a mustard seed isn't going to be that great unless the lighting is perfect and there is no motion. I can't wait to see cell phones with 20 Megapixels of pure grainy crap. Unless the lens gets bigger, don't expect much.
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LMAO!!! I hear you on that one.

I'm actually pretty impressed with the camera, took some great photos this weekend. I just don't use it as my primary camera.
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I have a fascinate and X in my family.
IMO the fascinate camera takes pictures that are miles ahead of the X.
The X takes horrible indoor pictures, they are blurry and always out of focus. The Fascinate actually takes really good indoor pictures for a cell phone. I would say it takes as good or better indoors pics than some point and shoot cameras.
Outdoors I think there is less of a difference in picture quality between the two, but the colors on the fascinate seem like they are better. Maybe that is just because they are viewed on the Fascinate's screen, which has better colors IMO. I have not compared the two on the computer.

I just want to point out however that I recently discovered that the macro shots with this thing are quite good.
You can really tell, as these were all taken with my DX and the macro shots look actually decent, here

Most times good pictures
I've had a number of phones with cameras to include Droid, Dinc, SF and an endless array of WM. The Droid X setup with steady shot and then waiting for the green bars produces some of the best pics I've had. The Sammy SF was okay but seemed over saturated with color.
The real plus for me is the dedicated hardware button. When I travel I often ask other picture takers to take a picture of my group with me in it. Trying to explain touching the screen vs pushing the button is a little strange for most.
Just my 2 cents.
Also, I use Photoshop Express. It does a nice job for editing AND allows batch upload to Facebook. Important when you maintain a travel log.

freezing up!
ever since i got froyo my camera/camcorder has been crapping out on my on several occassions. there are times i take pictures and nothing shows up, or the camera will just close altogether. the only way to fix it is by doing a hard reset/battery pull. any ideas/fixes?
Droid x rooted, 2.2, version 2.3.15.mb810, no themes.

Vignette has helped with indoor pictures, or pictures in poor lighting. Not sure how or why, though? I really think it improves indoor/dark pictures quite a bit, imo. Overall, after using vignette, I think the camera is good enough for most of my use. I think pics in good lighting look very good on my x, with or without vignette.

X10 vs Iphone 4 Camera Test ^ UPDATE! ^

Updated with Camera 360 tests
Hi everyone. Today i was a little bored so i decided to take some test photos with my x10 and compare vs my wife's iphone 4. Now i am not a photographer or anything like that..These are just amateur photos taken with stock settings and stock camera apps on both phones. The x10 is set at 8mp,single autofocus and the iphone is 5mp HDR off. I have cleaned the lens on both phones to get as clearer picures as they can. Now i do have shaky hands and it wasnt easy to get steady photos especially with the x10 as the iphone shutter is very quick and its a little bit easier. Here are the photos untouched..just they came out of the phones.
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Edit: Did some pics with Vignette but they come up to over 5mb and imgeshack wont let me upload them..will find some other hosting site that will and will upload them too Big difference between stock camera and Camera 360 and Vignette.
Let me know what you think and if you have any requests for more comparisons ask me and i will try my best to do them.

Well though to some people the colours of iphone may sound better but to me(as i have some knowledge about photography)the colours on X10 are better as they sound natural unlike the colours on iphone's pics which looks over warmed and unnatural and as far as clarity and detail is concerned there is no doubt that X10 is way better(though in case of X10 you still shaked a bit in some photos)but still thumbs up dude for this comparison and yeah i would once again say X10's camera is better then iphone's

SK_007 said:
Well though to some people the colours of iphone may sound better but to me(as i have some knowledge about photography)the colours on X10 are better as they sound natural unlike the colours on iphone's pics which looks over warmed and unnatural and as far as clarity and detail is concerned there is no doubt that X10 is way better(though in case of X10 you still shaked a bit in some photos)but still thumbs up dude for this comparison and yeah i would once again say X10's camera is better then iphone's
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Yes, I agree with you. The colours taken by iphone is unnatural compared to photos taken by X10.
No doubt that SE camera is better than Apple, I think even other phone brand has better camera than iphone.
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Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.

I think we should post the poll in an iphone forum as well.. I mean its obvious the X10 is going to win here
I think 2 of the iphone pics were better than the X10, but yeah, once you zoom in, you can notice that the X10 pics were shaken a bit. Don't know if this is because the iphone is easier to hold or if the OP was simply so nervous about taking a pic with the X10 that he shook it
@OP:
1. Can you try turning image stabilization off in the X10.. I've found this has helped a lot
2. What about Vignette? We all know the stock camera isn't very good at post processing the image

JamesBarnes said:
Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.
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Strange my wife said the same thing that the x10 pics are too blue but the Iphones pics on the other hand are too yellow... if you look at the road on the first pic upclose you will see its yellow and on the x10 is gray as it should be..

pngface said:
I think we should post the poll in an iphone forum as well.. I mean its obvious the X10 is going to win here
I think 2 of the iphone pics were better than the X10, but yeah, once you zoom in, you can notice that the X10 pics were shaken a bit. Don't know if this is because the iphone is easier to hold or if the OP was simply so nervous about taking a pic with the X10 that he shook it
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Haha not nervous at all lol i just have shaky hands (too much coffee) the thing is that the iphones shutter is very quick and it takes the photo instantly as of the x10 i press the button and its slow so by the time it takes the pic my hands have moved? lol if that makes any sense..
@pngface the image stabilization is off actually and i will take some pics with Vignette tommorow i am pretty sure that even with the stock camera if i make some adjustments i would get better photos as it has so many options i wanted to do this to see how both cameras compare stock settings untouched. But i will make more photos tommorow possibly with vignette and will try different settings.

Does turning image stabilization off on the X10 actually give nicer photos? And if so, how could it?
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Great Comparison & X10 camera is way better than iPhone camera, no doubt about that. I'm not saying that x10 camera is perfect but it has more natural colours than iPhone camera. iPhone has overwarmed, unnatural yellowish colours.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
Does turning image stabilization off on the X10 actually give nicer photos? And if so, how could it?
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Image stabilize effectively blurs the image slightly as to merge your shaky bits with good bits

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Image stabilize effectively blurs the image slightly as to merge your shaky bits with good bits
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Hmmm....so by having image stabilization "on" you say it adds a slight blur to my pictures? Therefore, if I turn it off and take pictures the blur should be gone? Because I always had it on and have always noticed a slight blur in my pictures especially when I was comparing stock camera to vignette. Now, if this is the case maybe Im gonna have to recompare these two. But I guess vignette will still be better since that compression crap on the stock.

Forgetting about the colors (it's possible to adjust in post), in this default setting the iphone camera is much better. Just look at 100%, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The default x10 app compress the image too much, and the final details become a blurred mess (photo 2, compare the background wall, photo 4, look the trees and the leaves). I'm work as visual effects artist and have photography as hobby. Last month I opened a thread about a better camera app for x10, so I tried vignette but the results are not good. I don't know what happens (probably the demosaicing algorithm?), but at 100% you see very bad artifacts. I've been using Camera 360, it's a good alternative for the default app. In both apps you can set the image compression to none or very little, making the image more sharp. Anyway, I think even using very low compression the x10 will not be able to capture the detail that iphone captures.
I'm doing my best to be unbiased here. Yes, I hate the apple marketing...

rafaperez3d said:
Forgetting about the colors (it's possible to adjust in post), in this default setting the iphone camera is much better. Just look at 100%, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The default x10 app compress the image too much, and the final details become a blurred mess (photo 2, compare the background wall, photo 4, look the trees and the leaves). I'm work as visual effects artist and have photography as hobby. Last month I opened a thread about a better camera app for x10, so I tried vignette but the results are not good. I don't know what happens (probably the demosaicing algorithm?), but at 100% you see very bad artifacts. I've been using Camera 360, it's a good alternative for the default app. In both apps you can set the image compression to none or very little, making the image more sharp. Anyway, I think even using very low compression the x10 will not be able to capture the detail that iphone captures.
I'm doing my best to be unbiased here. Yes, I hate the apple marketing...
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Hmmm...I'm really pleased with vignette pictures....much nicer than stock..however now I'm gonna go try camera 360 like you suggested and compare. Thanks
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Nokia N8 versus X10 versus Iphone 4
Generally speaking (according to this test), the N8 has the best camera, followed by the X10 and then the iPhone 4 (although those last two are a close call).
However, based on the pictures posted in this thread, the Iphone 4 is obviously superior in capturing detail. The difference between the two phones is quite large.

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Hard to say which is better, for IPhone colors are oversaturated and our X10 sometimes fails in resolving details. Anyway a true shoot out must have and a third parties for benchmark - let say a midrange DSLR.

I totally agree with guys who voted for X10. I thought Nokia was leader with oversaturated colours but now I see Apple takes the lead . Only better image that iphone made is last one, and that is because x10 shaked.
Blueish tint generally shows if light source shoots into lens, or image is overexposed, and x10 images are bit overexposed, so feel free to adjust EV

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Hmmm....so by having image stabilization "on" you say it adds a slight blur to my pictures? Therefore, if I turn it off and take pictures the blur should be gone? Because I always had it on and have always noticed a slight blur in my pictures especially when I was comparing stock camera to vignette. Now, if this is the case maybe Im gonna have to recompare these two. But I guess vignette will still be better since that compression crap on the stock.
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Exactly! Stick wit non stock

X10 is better, the Iphone 4 dont look natural and the Quality of X10 is better. But i never make Image Stabilizator on becouse without it the Pictures look better but when you click the Button it shakes so i make the most of the Photos with the Touchscreen.

stabilisation use only in low light situation, when trying to capture still object

JamesBarnes said:
Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.
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Most people share that opinion when they move from a point and shoot compact camera to a semi professional SLR. The iphone haves too much post processing to increase the saturation of warmer colors. If you do get into photography you know what is good and real color is much better then the over processed ones as you may or may not post process it in photoshop to suit your goal on each specific photo.
From my point of view the X10 wins hands down. That said, I won't be using mine that much as it stands miles away from the quality I get with my Canon and Sony DSLRs.

Atrix camera is the same camera module used in droid 1?

I have a milestone and the camera quality is craptastic ! i really like the atrix but im concerned motorola is using the same camera madule, what can you comment on the quality? crappy?

tbh, im pretty happy with it. yes, better phone cams exist but it works.

i think its a lot better then the d1 and my friend has the dx and this seems to take better pics then that too....

ive gone from the original droid 1 (verizon) to the droid x (verizon) to the atrix (at&t) and i can say that the atrix takes much better pictures than the 5mp sensor on the droid 1 and the 8mp sensor on the droid x. to me, i didnt notice too much difference between the droid 1 and droid x (both horrible with a lot of background noise), but the atrix takes MUCH better pictures with a lot less noise.

joeryu said:
ive gone from the original droid 1 (verizon) to the droid x (verizon) to the atrix (at&t) and i can say that the atrix takes much better pictures than the 5mp sensor on the droid 1 and the 8mp sensor on the droid x. to me, i didnt notice too much difference between the droid 1 and droid x (both horrible with a lot of background noise), but the atrix takes MUCH better pictures with a lot less noise.
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thank you, that leaves me a lot more satisfied now they need to hurry with that 2.3/2.4 update and... free the bootloader

Give me a bit and i'll take the same pic with both. I have an Atrix and D1 here.
Droid1: http://tinyurl.com/6xpro97
Atrix: http://tinyurl.com/6ga7g29

bimmerd00d said:
Give me a bit and i'll take the same pic with both. I have an Atrix and D1 here.
Droid1: http://tinyurl.com/6xpro97
Atrix: http://tinyurl.com/6ga7g29
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The Atrix definitely is a little bit less grainy, but I have to emphasize it's just the slightest bit. The Droid 1 is almost a year and a half old already and it's sad how little Moto decided to improve the camera on their dual-core flagship model. If any one thing was the deal breaker for the Atrix for me, it would have to be the camera. Other than that, the phone is a beast.

bimmerd00d said:
Give me a bit and i'll take the same pic with both. I have an Atrix and D1 here.
Droid1: http://tinyurl.com/6xpro97
Atrix: http://tinyurl.com/6ga7g29
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the atrix pic indeed looks better, but its still pretty crappy

Took some pics of a bunny I'm babysitting, some looked good, others looked crappy. Same with videos, sometimes they looks really good, sometimes not. For being 720p HD, not super impressed. Mind you the video did look better than on my Canon camera. I have to do more testing with both of them. It takes more than a good camera to get good pics.....

Some of mine are great, while others are terrible.
Notably bright lights, light a sunset for example come out bleached out, overexposed in some areas. Same with daylight face shots, areas overexposed and bleached looking.
I also get a decent amount of motion distortion as well, not so much blur though. A pic of a passing car would come out clear, but the car is distorted badly due to the motion.

yea i wouldnt go as far to say that the atrix has a great camera, but in comparison to the droid 1 its def. an improved sensor. at this point, its good enough to be a point-and-shoot digicam replacement. if you want real pictures you'll be using a nice DSLR anyway.

i have n95 nokia - it is really a piont and shoot. the device i can always take with me, but atrix - i need to take a photo of my grandpa - i am thinking what to take DSLR or just n95 - n95 is enought, but atrix - deffinatly i will not take.

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yea i wouldnt go as far to say that the atrix has a great camera, but in comparison to the droid 1 its def. an improved sensor. at this point, its good enough to be a point-and-shoot digicam replacement. if you want real pictures you'll be using a nice DSLR anyway.
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My six year old point'n'shoot takes offense to that. Neither device can compare with my DSLR, but the point'n'shoot is still vastly superior to the Atrix camera. I think what you really mean is a type of camera you'd bring without actually intending to bring a camera (aka camera phone), not a point'n'shoot.

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the atrix pic indeed looks better, but its still pretty crappy
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yeah got to agree I think beside the locked bootloader, the camera is Moto's fail on the Atrix. For such a powerful device, the camera is quite inferior and tarnishes the quality of the Atrix. It just seemed that the camera is the area that likes to cheap on.