I bought an extra battery and charger on my Evo and noticed that recently, my Evo battery is now performing WORSE than the cheap Chinese generic knockoff battery.
The Chinese one use to run about 1 - 1.5days but now runs over 2 days (thanks to new kernel by HTC).
However, the red battery which used to give me 2 - 2.5 days run time (on older kernel), now only runs for 12hrs.
Any ideas?
Are you charging the stock red battery with the Chinese charger? You shouldnt do that. But as far as the chinese batteries, it doesn matter how you charge them.
Go into a battery program, spareparts or batteryinfo widget, and see if they are charging to the same voltage. I have several htc batteries with all about the same use, I have 2 of them that are almost a 100mv lower then the others so I "top" them off by unplugging and replugging them in a few times while charging.
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Are you charging the stock red battery with the Chinese charger? You shouldnt do that. But as far as the chinese batteries, it doesn matter how you charge them.
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Where did you get this info? The external chinese chargers are a slower, less powerful charge. I get more juice out of the battery than charging it in the phone, due to the quick 10% drop. Everything I have ever read says that slower charging is better for the battery in the long run. Please link where you got this from.
I have 2 batteries, the red one, and one that came with my Hero. I charge them in the cheap charger and rarely actually charge the phone.
I see no difference in battery life.
the whole quick charge tech is no good, my $4 chinese charger (no quick charge crap) works way better then charging in phone, i had an older laptop, one of the first to claim quick charge, with a battery that was wearing down about maybe 90-60min got an external charger that charges slowly and managed to recondition the already 4yr old battery to run 3hrs but went back to charging on laptop and battery slowly ran down again to about 1hr
On my PHILLIPS ppc6700, I had done this exact thing, with an eBay battery. I noticed NO difference between the two batteries, and I even ran synthetic tests to confirm. I believe I posted those results a LONG time ago on ppcfreaks.
I then bought the Saedo (sp?) 3700 ma/hr piece with the extended battery door and the dock, and that thing kicked ass. I would get like a week with an overclocked proc on fast evdo and a cooked ROM nue2chem I believe, its been a long time.
Then with my 6800 things got really bad. I went through maybe 6 phones from dead charging ports. I honestly felt like at least half of those failures (which were all replaced basically no questions asked, besides one) were due to gas-station car charges and laptop cords. Such a nightmare.
My guess is that most mini usb port failures from back then were due to the actual design standard being so loose that knock off, low cost manufacturers without precise and developed manufacturing techniques were marketing chargers that would arc my usb port to death over like a 1 hr drive. This is of course a guess. When Sprint questioned my one replacement I simply had the guy who had my phone taken apart bust out his magnifying glass and we could both clearly see burnt leads on the PCB. Couldn't see with the naked eye.
Also that older standard was thicker, and it thus exerted a little more tensional force on the port/PCB, which could have created the same effect.
Flash forward to my Evo: the new micro usb standard is FAR superior to the previous. No issues so far. Other chargers seem to work fine, without issue. You bet I was suspicious though, and I did all my checking within the return period. They DON'T have more Evos, so if you think that 8 dollars saved on a charger or something is worth it, Kool. Just as long as everyone knows the risks that have historically been associated with cheap chargers. At least anecdotally.
I would possibly consider some extended evo batter package if it was cool looking. Clear backed and extended maybe? With a small led batter level indicator on the battery itself, shining through the back with a small integrated button press.
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Where did you get this info? The external chinese chargers are a slower, less powerful charge. I get more juice out of the battery than charging it in the phone, due to the quick 10% drop. Everything I have ever read says that slower charging is better for the battery in the long run. Please link where you got this from.
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same id have to agree with this !
to clarify, the chargers i use are external not a phone charger, i wouldnt use a cheap charger on any of my phones
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Are you charging the stock red battery with the Chinese charger? You shouldnt do that. But as far as the chinese batteries, it doesn matter how you charge them.
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Yes, i never charge from the phone anymore. I just use the phone till it dies and then swap with a fresh ly charged battery. I charge both of them in the cheap charger.
I was thinking that maybe the phone battery recalibration got whacked? Just a guess.
Any battery charges better with a lower amp charge period. I charge my deep cell boat batteries at the beginning of the season on 2 amp trickle charge. I have had them for 10 years now. Way over the life expectancy. I charge my evo batteries on a 400 milli amp wall charger. Way better charge and they charge 100% everytime.
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Okay, I'm convinced. I'm slow charging mine in an external charger.
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On my PHILLIPS ppc6700, I had done this exact thing, with an eBay battery. I noticed NO difference between the two batteries, and I even ran synthetic tests to confirm. I believe I posted those results a LONG time ago on ppcfreaks.
I then bought the Saedo (sp?) 3700 ma/hr piece with the extended battery door and the dock, and that thing kicked ass. I would get like a week with an overclocked proc on fast evdo and a cooked ROM nue2chem I believe, its been a long time.
Then with my 6800 things got really bad. I went through maybe 6 phones from dead charging ports. I honestly felt like at least half of those failures (which were all replaced basically no questions asked, besides one) were due to gas-station car charges and laptop cords. Such a nightmare.
My guess is that most mini usb port failures from back then were due to the actual design standard being so loose that knock off, low cost manufacturers without precise and developed manufacturing techniques were marketing chargers that would arc my usb port to death over like a 1 hr drive. This is of course a guess. When Sprint questioned my one replacement I simply had the guy who had my phone taken apart bust out his magnifying glass and we could both clearly see burnt leads on the PCB. Couldn't see with the naked eye.
Also that older standard was thicker, and it thus exerted a little more tensional force on the port/PCB, which could have created the same effect.
Flash forward to my Evo: the new micro usb standard is FAR superior to the previous. No issues so far. Other chargers seem to work fine, without issue. You bet I was suspicious though, and I did all my checking within the return period. They DON'T have more Evos, so if you think that 8 dollars saved on a charger or something is worth it, Kool. Just as long as everyone knows the risks that have historically been associated with cheap chargers. At least anecdotally.
I would possibly consider some extended evo batter package if it was cool looking. Clear backed and extended maybe? With a small led batter level indicator on the battery itself, shining through the back with a small integrated button press.
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Not to go off topic but you typed all this on your evo? Does your finger hurt?
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Hi!
I had a battery probelm (same one everyone else seemed to get with there 1yr old uni) where it cuts out at 60% due to the voltage from the battery dropping below the threshold really fast.
Anyway I got a new battery .. my old one was 1650ma (or something like that) I got this new one which is 1750ma (or something like that).. definitely different.
Now I plug my original charger (5v 1a) into the pda and the charge light turns on .. I leave it for an hour and the battery hasn't charged any.. in fact its lost charge as you'd expect if it had been left switched on with no supply.
So.. I plug my motorola krzr charger (5v 550ma) into it and go for a shower/sh*t/shave come back and the battery has gained 10%.. great! atleast I can charge it now.
I also have a desktop cradle charger (5v 1a), same problem.. it sits there forever and a day and discharges... no charge.. (I only got it when I got my new battery so could not prove it before hand)
USB charging works with no problems (not from the cradle one though). So my question is ... Why?
Could it be something to do with my new battery?? I got it from PDAAddons and they've always been good in the past so I believe I can rule out it being a fake.
My new battery is a Li-on Poly.. I've got to admit I didn't look at my old one to see if that was a poly too ... was definitely a li-on though.
I can live with using my moto charger on my exec but unfortunately the ac adapter for my cradle is of a different connector type (female pin sleeve thingy like nokia) so before I search the world for a 5v 550ma version I could do with knowing if i'm barking up the wrong tree and about to waste my money..
Any electronics whizzes in the house say ho!
anyone? :''-(
Aahaahaa!
I'm here! Now, what you say sounds very interesting and yet very strange, why?
- Normally more current from the charger should be better, you cannot put in the PDA more current than it's factory maximum (which I don't know how much it is, but that's not a problem), the internal charger (inside the PDA) knows how much it is and how to limit, also takes care of the right charging profile for your battery.
- You don't have to worry about the exact battery type you bought, boths are Lithium, so chargind profiles are mostly the same, these (LiIon and LiPoly) are "exchangeable" usually (I've heard of no problems until now, since several years I mean).
- If your battery is discharging means only one thing, you're not puttin current into the battery, you're taking it out of it! So, either you might have a deffective charger, a deffective charging circuit (the one inside the PDA) or a defective battery.
- You can charge the battery with your Moto's charger, so battery is probably ok, you have used your original charger/craddle until now, so they might be ok, you have charged one battery at least to 10% so PDA should be ok.
What can it be?
Possibilities are:
Slightly deffective PDA's internal charging circuit, the fact that you can charge with a lower rating charger (the one for your Razr, thing that I've done myself two weeks ago), might point to this, because you have already "limited" the maximum current to 550mA (Razr's charger max current).
Slightly different battery, most of the batteries do have some kind of thermal protection circuit inside (chip + temp sensor, etc.), if the behavior of this circuit is not "compatible" somethin strange can happen, however I personally consider this option not to be the best.
One or two of your chargers might also be somehow "deffective", why? Your original battery might be ok and you are just having problems with your chargers or your High capacity chargers (the original one and that from the craddle) have some problem to give enough juice to your batteries.
I surely might proceed as follows:
try to charge both batteries with a stand alone charger, this is not an easy task, because Lithium batteries are the most "delicate" types, charging method is the "strangest" one, I have two stand alone battery chargers that came as gift with some Nokia batteries I bought from an Ebay seller, eventually, I could give you the full schematic so you can construct it (if you want and if you can).
In this way I will not have any more suspects from the batteries.
Second, test each of my chargers, it can be done by connecting a medium -and suitable- load to each charger for some minutes.
A wire wound ceramic resistor should do the trick, ie for the Razr charger (5V, 550mA) I could use a 250mA load, R=V/I, so 5V/.25A equals 20 ohm (1.25W max power, use at least a 2W resistor, 3 or 5W better).
If the internal PDA circuit should be defective, take it to fix or try to fix for yourself.
Hope this helps
kecido said:
Aahaahaa!
I'm here! Now, what you say sounds very interesting and yet very strange, why?
- Normally more current from the charger should be better, you cannot put in the PDA more current than it's factory maximum (which I don't know how much it is, but that's not a problem), the internal charger (inside the PDA) knows how much it is and how to limit, also takes care of the right charging profile for your battery.
- You don't have to worry about the exact battery type you bought, boths are Lithium, so chargind profiles are mostly the same, these (LiIon and LiPoly) are "exchangeable" usually (I've heard of no problems until now, since several years I mean).
- If your battery is discharging means only one thing, you're not puttin current into the battery, you're taking it out of it! So, either you might have a deffective charger, a deffective charging circuit (the one inside the PDA) or a defective battery.
- You can charge the battery with your Moto's charger, so battery is probably ok, you have used your original charger/craddle until now, so they might be ok, you have charged one battery at least to 10% so PDA should be ok.
What can it be?
Possibilities are:
Slightly deffective PDA's internal charging circuit, the fact that you can charge with a lower rating charger (the one for your Razr, thing that I've done myself two weeks ago), might point to this, because you have already "limited" the maximum current to 550mA (Razr's charger max current).
Slightly different battery, most of the batteries do have some kind of thermal protection circuit inside (chip + temp sensor, etc.), if the behavior of this circuit is not "compatible" somethin strange can happen, however I personally consider this option not to be the best.
One or two of your chargers might also be somehow "deffective", why? Your original battery might be ok and you are just having problems with your chargers or your High capacity chargers (the original one and that from the craddle) have some problem to give enough juice to your batteries.
I surely might proceed as follows:
try to charge both batteries with a stand alone charger, this is not an easy task, because Lithium batteries are the most "delicate" types, charging method is the "strangest" one, I have two stand alone battery chargers that came as gift with some Nokia batteries I bought from an Ebay seller, eventually, I could give you the full schematic so you can construct it (if you want and if you can).
In this way I will not have any more suspects from the batteries.
Second, test each of my chargers, it can be done by connecting a medium -and suitable- load to each charger for some minutes.
A wire wound ceramic resistor should do the trick, ie for the Razr charger (5V, 550mA) I could use a 250mA load, R=V/I, so 5V/.25A equals 20 ohm (1.25W max power, use at least a 2W resistor, 3 or 5W better).
If the internal PDA circuit should be defective, take it to fix or try to fix for yourself.
Hope this helps
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I'm gunna buy another 5v 1a charger .. I've had it reported that this cradle charger (5v 1a) doesn't work properly anyway so it may be 2 seperate problems here Thanks for you advice fella much appreciated
Charging anomaly, workaround
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...Now I plug my original charger (5v 1a) into the pda and the charge light turns on ..
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Are you absotively, posilutely certain the AMBER charge light comes on fully?
I leave it for an hour and the battery hasn't charged any.. in fact its lost charge as you'd expect if it had been left switched on with no supply.
So.. I plug my motorola krzr charger (5v 550ma) into it and go for a shower/sh*t/shave come back and the battery has gained 10%.. great! atleast I can charge it now.
I also have a desktop cradle charger (5v 1a), same problem.. it sits there forever and a day and discharges... no charge.. (I only got it when I got my new battery so could not prove it before hand)
USB charging works with no problems (not from the cradle one though). So my question is ... Why?...
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There is some anomaly about charging with a plug-in charger. You may have to turn the device on so that it can recognize the charger, then close it and let it turn itself off; or perhaps it's turn it off then on, I'm not sure, but I've encountered similar oddities with both 110v, 220v, and 12v chargers, and I've seen discussion about this anomaly on this and/or other fora. Once you get the AMBER light, you're fine (as long as it's putting out at least +5v; +5.5 is better).
I think it has something to do with its looking for a [non-existent] USB signal along with the voltage under some conditions, but not others, but that's just a wild guess. Anyway, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with your battery, device, or charger. Hope this helps. Cheers,
Thanks for the reply, I'm 100% that the amber light turns on. Not only that the screen brightens so it definitely knows its connected. I've tried several combinations of turning it off/on etc during the charge/before but nothing seems to make this desktop charger actually put anything in the battery.
DeskTop Charger & 2x (Yes 2) 1340mAh Batteries for £15 (AU $ 31) including delivery to the UK - Gotta be a bargain?
Just ordered from Ebay (See Link) - will add comments on quality, build etc when they arrive.....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290264206436
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That´s a REAL bargain, I am buying the "kit" right now. But warantee doesn´t cover exploding non-original batteris Hmmm.... Hope it´s good quality.
charge current ?
But since I do not see any wall mount adapter, max. charge current will be limited to 500mA.
When charging phone and battery together, time to charge would be around 7 hours. Only 3.5 ~ 4 hours for phone
dolezelk said:
But since I do not see any wall mount adapter, max. charge current will be limited to 500mA.
When charging phone and battery together, time to charge would be around 7 hours. Only 3.5 ~ 4 hours for phone
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???? You can plug your original "wall" mains charger into this one???
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.......warantee doesn´t cover exploding non-original batteris Hmmm.... Hope it´s good quality.
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I'm with you there - we have to be carefull when using non-oem spares and accessories - not just the batteries but also cradles and wall (mains) chargers too!
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has this arrived yet?
I've never had trouble with other batteries in my old xda exec
@Blob8me: Did you get the order? If so do you like it?
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@Blob8me: Did you get the order? If so do you like it?
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Guys - The order arrived on Tuesday - I've been away on business and just got back but got the package just before I left. It was sent recorded delivery and well packaged....
The desk-top charger and 2 x batteries (they look like OEM batteries but dont expect they are) I unwrapped one and took it and the charger with me.
Ive been using the replacement battery for the last 2 days and to be honest it seems to be better than my original?
The desktop charger is very good - good build quality and pretty light in terms of weight - the only slight drawback is that the charging status LED's are very bright but thats not a huge issue?
I will post some photo's when I get a chance....
Overall: VERY IMPRESSED & DEFINATELY A BARGAIN!!!!
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Thanks!
Just ordered one as well based on your feedback
Blob8me,
Thank you for your comments.
I ordered the discussed items today. £15 for x2 batteries and a charger is very good value.
As I see it these devices can be thirsty. For that reason I used x3 batteries and an extra charger for my Tytn ii and Tytn i. It is easy to carry an extra charged battery in a leather sleeve the size of a matchbox. A small inconvenience when one considers that often the alternative would be to carry a laptop around - bit of a nuisance when one cycles in London or flying somewhere and want to listen to music or watch media en route.
Rgs,
J
Ordered mine today - the exchange rate must have changed in my favour, cost me £12.62 for the 2 batteries and desktop charger.
Hello.
Hoes HTC Touch Pro support hot-swappable batteries?
(Battery change without soft reset)
Bye
Yes, during the battery switch it runs on either solar or nuclear power, you need to select which one you prefer in Settings/System/Power Options......
Seriously, no when you remove the battery the unit goes off completely. So no hot-swapping
Got mine a couple of days ago. Charger seems to be pretty well built. The usb cable that came with it was also of thicker quality, not those el-cheapo type. The LED sure are bright! A little too bright for me! hehe! The 2 batteries looked pretty good in built quality. I was kind of impressed at first glance.
Here comes my 'bad' news... after charging for 10 hours or so, the LED stayed constant..supposedly indicating that the battery is fully charged. But when i popped the battery into my Touch Pro, it just refused to turn on! Both batteries show the same problem. And I was extra careful to align the terminals to the charging point. What a let-down!
anyone else face this? I know Blob8me is satisfied with his...what abt others? care to comment?
Tried soft reset?
I mean:
Turn off.
Switch battery to a new one.
Press soft reset.
I also got them this week. Both batteries worked fine. The only thing I noticed is that they are a little thicker making it a little more difficult to put the back cover back on.
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Got mine a couple of days ago. Charger seems to be pretty well built. The usb cable that came with it was also of thicker quality, not those el-cheapo type. The LED sure are bright! A little too bright for me! hehe! The 2 batteries looked pretty good in built quality. I was kind of impressed at first glance.
Here comes my 'bad' news... after charging for 10 hours or so, the LED stayed constant..supposedly indicating that the battery is fully charged. But when i popped the battery into my Touch Pro, it just refused to turn on! Both batteries show the same problem. And I was extra careful to align the terminals to the charging point. What a let-down!
anyone else face this? I know Blob8me is satisfied with his...what abt others? care to comment?
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Hi soundguy1202
Sorry to hear you've had a problem with the batteries - and with both of them which seems odd - if it was just one of the batteries then maybe I wouldnt have been suprised?
Did you try the soft reset as mentioned above (not that it should have needed that? Let us know how you get on......
I'm still using mine and still happy - I did notice, as peebee01 mentions that the replacement batteries we a micron or 2 thicker but actually seem to be getting better performance from them than the original OEM battery?
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well...i tried to soft reset... even to the extent of replacing the back cover first.. but to no avail...for both batteries. guess i got a bad charger? even when i put the battery in the phone and plug in the wall charger unit, it doesn't turn on. of course, this may be due to the battery no being charged in the first place! anyway, i will try get a meter and measure the battery output.
my batteries where also a tad thick, like u said...one was manageable but one needed a little pressure to put in place!
Also funny to see they print "HTC innovation" on them, but its horizontal vs. vertical on the orignal one. Plus on the back there is a serial number, but both batteries I have have the same serial..... That's real Chinese copying ;-)
Mine arrived today. Damn those led's are bright! I might be noobing it up, but am i the only one that's having trouble getting the batteries to stay in the dock?
First off i'd like to say hello to everyone, this is my first post on the site.
I read the post about the 3600mah battery and it looks like the phone would sit on a slant. Looking at this 3500mah battery by seidio it looks like the phone may sit level. check it out and let me know what you guys think of this battery
I have the 3500 battery and it sits flat.
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I have the 3500 battery and it sits flat.
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Awesome, thanks Bluther. How well does the black finish on the new back piece match the phone?
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I have the 3500 battery and it sits flat.
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How many days does it work? Where did you bought it?
looks awesome. but its more than 90$ if i ask them to ship to China..pity
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First off i'd like to say hello to everyone, this is my first post on the site.
I read the post about the 3600mah battery and it looks like the phone would sit on a slant. Looking at this 3500mah battery by seidio it looks like the phone may sit level. check it out and let me know what you guys think of this battery
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The poster that commented on the slant must have seen the same pictures I posted about on another forum. Fortunately, I was corrected by someone who had bought the Mugen 3600.
Across the forums, those who've tried both pretty much all prefer the power & size of the Seidio & the look of the Seidio cover. Plus it's cheaper.
I got my Seidio 3500 Thursday night. The instructions say to do an 8 hour initial charge before putting the battery in the phone & that performance would increase after 5-6 full charges. I did the initial charge Thursday night, put the battery in the phone about 7:30 Friday morning, was down to 32% about 4pm Saturday. I put the battery on the charger Saturday night, put it back in the phone 6am Sunday morning, am at 38% as I write -- slight improvement. It looks like a fully conditioned Seidio 3500 ought to easily go two full days...maybe longer.
I'm using the unlocked UMTS version on AT&T.
I have this battery, bought it on day one because I use a lot of data with my phone and normally, even in Edge, a 8 hour battery is CRITICAL. I can't say what the original battery can do, but this battery is AWESOME!!!! I'm getting greater than 5 days of battery on this huge guy! Even when I'm in range of the 3G/HSDPA area, I'm getting at least 2 days.
I use GoodLink with my corporate email and it keeps the data connection HOT 24x7. Usually drains a battery VERY quickly.
Another pro is that the Seidio cover is non-skid black rubber coated plastic. While not matching the "pretty" glossy finish, I like it better because the phone doesn't slide around on surfaces.
I have one issue and I'm not sure if anyone else has this battery and have experienced this issue. But I can't charge this phone/battery with any USB cable I've tried through my USB ports. I've tried 3 different cables, including the included Palm cable, powered hubs and monitors with powered hubs.
I can't figure out what's going on here... Any help here???
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I have one issue and I'm not sure if anyone else has this battery and have experienced this issue. But I can't charge this phone/battery with any USB cable I've tried through my USB ports. I've tried 3 different cables, including the included Palm cable, powered hubs and monitors with powered hubs.
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I can leave mine in the phone & charge it using my Palm cable or the retractable Seidio cable. I also have a Mobi Products cradle -- phone with normal sized battery in the front slot, the Seidio 3500 in the spare battery slot, both fully charged when I get up in the morning. Sounds like you might have an issue either with the phone itself or your USB ports. Are the ports fully powered USB 2.0 compatible?
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I have one issue and I'm not sure if anyone else has this battery and have experienced this issue. But I can't charge this phone/battery with any USB cable I've tried through my USB ports. I've tried 3 different cables, including the included Palm cable, powered hubs and monitors with powered hubs.
I can't figure out what's going on here... Any help here???
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You must have the windows mobile device center/activesync installed on your pc in order for the device to receive power.
I found it for less $$$
sn00per0 said:
I'm using the unlocked UMTS version on AT&T.
I have this battery, bought it on day one because I use a lot of data with my phone and normally, even in Edge, a 8 hour battery is CRITICAL. I can't say what the original battery can do, but this battery is AWESOME!!!! I'm getting greater than 5 days of battery on this huge guy! Even when I'm in range of the 3G/HSDPA area, I'm getting at least 2 days.
I use GoodLink with my corporate email and it keeps the data connection HOT 24x7. Usually drains a battery VERY quickly.
Another pro is that the Seidio cover is non-skid black rubber coated plastic. While not matching the "pretty" glossy finish, I like it better because the phone doesn't slide around on surfaces.
I have one issue and I'm not sure if anyone else has this battery and have experienced this issue. But I can't charge this phone/battery with any USB cable I've tried through my USB ports. I've tried 3 different cables, including the included Palm cable, powered hubs and monitors with powered hubs.
I can't figure out what's going on here... Any help here???
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In the Treo Pro manual you will read that the phone takes much longer to charge on a USB connection. In other words it is suggested to use the AC adapter and the usb cable to get a powerful and fast charge. That being said maybe the battery needs and AC charge and USB wont suffice.
I have read so many reviews and your problem is a one of a kinder.
About getting this battery cheaper.
Go seidioonline.com and enter coupon code: ITB0630 for 10% off an order over $50.
They sell battery $65 ($5 cheaper than most) plus you get 10% off.
My total purchase was $64.35 shipped.
YAY!
Go get em.
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In the Treo Pro manual you will read that the phone takes much longer to charge on a USB connection.
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I don't have a Treo (yet) but I've had the same on other devices.
The thing about a USB cable is that if no driver exists to tell the device what it's connected to, it doesn't know whether it's USB2 or USB1, so can't assume there's much power to use. (though I would have thought USB1 still presents a useful amount).
Some devices charge slowly on plain USB without software, some don't charge at all. Of those that do trickle charge, the rate can be less than the power consumed by keeping the backlight on and/or running the GPS, so all that happens is the device stays awake and runs flat quicker.
Sometimes there's a pin in the connector to indicate "this is a charger that supplies what's needed", and you can get an adaptor cable to use with generic USB cables or chargers.
Was thinking of ordering one on eBay found HERE.
Would be around €40 + €17 = €57. But this would mean it has to be shipped from the States to the Netherlands. Why isn't their any battery available a bit closer to home
At this time I get just two days if I'm lucky. Doesn't seem that to many use the 3500 mah from Seidio though. No more users tried this baby?
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
Cienight said:
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
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From what ive read thats exactly how youll reduce your batterys life span
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The more cycles, the shorter the life span. The thing that will destroy the most is heat. These are good batteries, trickle won't do much, heat is the worst. Don't worry so much about it. Nothing you do is going to have much of a noticeable impact.
Thanks a lot for the info guys!
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Btw, these batteries are indeed replaceable. Just not in a normal way, and more difficult than say a MAXX. The back cover does come off. Just a thin plastic back that can be removed going clockwise from SIM tray.
Steamer86 said:
Btw, these batteries are indeed replaceable. Just not in a normal way, and more difficult than say a MAXX. The back cover does come off. Just a thin plastic back that can be removed going clockwise from SIM tray.
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Clockwise while facing the screen or facing the back?
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Screen to you. Easier to place back starting at bottom and working up to top a side at a time. Just my personal experience.
Any available online stores that provide such replacement batteries?
Also is there a video tutorial on how to open the back cover.
Just in case...
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Lithium batteries
Cienight said:
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
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I've done a little research on batteries from such places as Battery University, and learned a few things that might be interesting. I haven't posted enough to post links, but the location after batteryuniversity dot com is "learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries" if anyone wants more information.
It seems that Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries are treated essentially the same; the difference is mainly in the packaging. As for charging, they do better if not charged 100%, and never discharged 100%. But one thing they say, which I was told by the salesman when I bought it (but didn't believe him at the time) is that they should not be charged while power is on. The charger is designed to trickle charge the battery, coming on at a certain voltage. But when under power, this cycle happens too often and stresses the battery too much. I suppose it might be OK to charge it while on if you watch it, and remove the cable when it gets to full charge or just under that. I suppose a timer would be ideal.
I just wish I knew how much difference it actually makes, since turning it off means you can't receive calls. I've had devices with Lithium batteries in the past that were left on a charger all night, and the batteries seemed to last for several years, which is probably longer than my phone really needs to last.
I still think its funny that people don't think that there isn't any charging logic in the phone and that it just willfully commits battery suicide if the user doesn't micromanage charging.
Back in the day, early battery tech such as NiCad was extremely sensitive to temperature and the chargers weren't designed with intelligence so they destroyed batteries with 'Fast' charging by overheating. Also, if you never let the battery discharge completely, the battery would start to form cadmium crystals and lower the apparent capacity of the battery. So, slow and deep cycles were the proper way to go. NiMH batteries were far superior and intelligent chargers were introduced but could still suffer the same symptoms of over heating with cheap chargers.
The idea that you can only trickle charge Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries is laughable. The rate of charge is controlled based on the temperature of the battery, if it heats up, the charging circuit clamps the current down, if it is cold it ramps it up. Also, contrary to wisdom applied to NiCad, deep discharges and full charges are harder on Lithium batteries than the earlier tech. In the mid ranges of charge the charger will go all out, when it reaches the top end it slows down to a trickle because the battery is more sensitive to stress at those charge levels. Conversely, if the battery is fully discharged, the charging circuit will start out with a trickle and speed up as the level increases.
On the G2, if there is high resistance across the data pins it stays in slow charge mode, most likely to protect USB ports not meant for charging, if there is low/no resistance it goes into fast charge mode, it thinks it must be connected a dedicated charger. If the charger or the cable gives the wrong setting to the phone the user is left scratching their head.
Luckily the AT&T car charger I bought with my Galaxy SIII works properly with my G2. Sadly the correct cable with my laptop, even with Lenovo's dedicated charging port, it stays in slow charge mode because it senses a data connection.
Edit: Also, the comment about not charging while the phone is on is another hold over from the NiCad days. Lithium technology could care less as all phones have regulated charging circuits now.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung...shipments-for-more-quality-testing-1472647803
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Those damn cheap microusb to usb-c connectors and cheap large voltage chargers .. sheesh. I've had no trouble with mine but then again I have quality chargers and cables I bought for my 6P. My Note 7 doesn't even get warm when charging .. at least nothing noticeable.
Turn off fast charging in settings, problem solved.
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Turn off fast charging in settings, problem solved.
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Fast charging? As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the problem isn't fast charging. it's people using unapproved USB-C cables and or chargers.
Seems to be a problem with the international models.
dkb218 said:
Fast charging? As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the problem isn't fast charging. it's people using unapproved USB-C cables and or chargers.
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It's not that it's unapproved. It's that they are using cheap cables and chargers. We went through this crap with the OnePlus3 and Nexus 6P. Cheap chargers and cables can do damage.
Well, from the looks of it. Even Anker who is pretty reliable issued a recall for almost all their usb-c cables.
dkb218 said:
Fast charging? As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the problem isn't fast charging. it's people using unapproved USB-C cables and or chargers.
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You're probably right. My Note 7 gets pretty warm when using fast-charge. And batteries don't like heat. So, since I don't really need fast-charge when I charge my phone most of the time, I turned it off. Phone no longer gets warm when charging.
Besides, batteries will last longer without excessive fast-charging.
dkb218 said:
Fast charging? As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the problem isn't fast charging. it's people using unapproved USB-C cables and or chargers.
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twe90kid said:
Well, from the looks of it. Even Anker who is pretty reliable issued a recall for almost all their usb-c cables.
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I use these with my Note 7 and Nexus 6P. Unless I just got lucky and got 6 good cables .. I use them everywhere .. work, car (Android Auto) and home .. then these are good. I highly doubt a USB-C cable that works brilliantly with the Nexus 6P would fry the Note 7. I've had mine for 12 days and when I hook the Note 7 up in my truck for AA it's charging as well and it never gets much warmer than if it were on the wireless Samsung charger.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YQFMWK6/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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-BoneZ- said:
You're probably right. My Note 7 gets pretty warm when using fast-charge. And batteries don't like heat. So, since I don't really need fast-charge when I charge my phone most of the time, I turned it off. Phone no longer gets warm when charging.
Besides, batteries will last longer without excessive fast-charging.
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Maybe something is wrong with yours. My Note 7 has been sitting on the Samsung wireless charger on my desk at 100% for the last hour. Since all this has made me paranoid .. I pick it up every so often and touch it to my face. It's not even lukewarm. I don't think fast charging is the issue with this. The guy in China who reported this which later was picked up on Reddit .. his cable was just some black microusb cable with a while adapter on it and no further info. If the cable was a piece of crap and he was using a cheap wall charger .. Samsung adapter or not I think this was the cause of the boom. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Like said about .. the usb-c cable/charger subject was discussed to death about the OnePlus3 and Nexus 6P (Macbook as well) .. and it's always the same thing. Don't use cheap junk. :good:
just be careful what ur using
http://www.slashgear.com/anker-recalls-refunds-usb-c-cable-over-faulty-implementation-28453688/
aergern said:
Maybe something is wrong with yours. My Note 7 has been sitting on the Samsung wireless charger on my desk at 100% for the last hour. Since all this has made me paranoid .. I pick it up every so often and touch it to my face. It's not even lukewarm.
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If your phone is at 100%, then it's not charging. Therefore, it won't be warm. When the battery gets low, 30-40% and it's on fast-charge, it gets very warm. I don't know about the wireless charger, but it's warm with the cable. Either way, I disabled fast-charge and no more warmth.
Are we far away from FW update limiting charge current? I turned off fast charging due to phone getting hot, which is not healthy for batteries, especially if those are hard to replace and I charge overnight anyway, but on some occasion I could be in rush to charge and fast charging is the solution and I want fast charge as option, but if things go like that, the easiest fix for Samsung would be to eliminate fast charge for now.
All phones should get warm while fast charging. S7 Edge did the same thing, so did the nexus 6p.
I charge mine with fast charging every single time.
i use quick charge no problems here
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It could be they are using these cable that's being recall?
http://lifehacker.com/some-anker-usb-c-cables-are-getting-recalled-for-a-hard-1785887067
Some Anker USB C cable sold at Amazon last month could blow you note 7 up.
Guys please check if you have these Anker cable and return it back to manufacture.
http://lifehacker.com/some-anker-usb-c-cables-are-getting-recalled-for-a-hard-1785887067
If that cable delivers 20 volts designed for PC, to the phone designed for 9v max, that would double the amperage and quadruple total power drawn, I can easily see how that could burn the whole phone to crisp.
Going back to fast charge on N7, I'm sure it's well designed and the heat well within specs (it's even mentioned in manual), but the fact remains that higher operating temp of battery, the lower (slightly) life span of the battery. With battery sealed inside and rather difficult to replace I want to prolong it's life to maximum and if I charge overnight, which I do often, don't care if it even takes 6hrs. BTW if the faulty cable is the real culprit, it's a very good news and shipping of N7 should resume soon. It would be shame if such a good phone got bad reputation undeserved.
http://www.androidauthority.com/reports-samsung-considering-note-7-recall-battery-pack-blame-714126/
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-BoneZ- said:
You're probably right. My Note 7 gets pretty warm when using fast-charge. And batteries don't like heat. So, since I don't really need fast-charge when I charge my phone most of the time, I turned it off. Phone no longer gets warm when charging.
Besides, batteries will last longer without excessive fast-charging.
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ian1 said:
http://www.androidauthority.com/reports-samsung-considering-note-7-recall-battery-pack-blame-714126/
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Actually, it's not. It was reported on quite a few sites that Samsung sourced the battery packs locally for it's variations. So the South Korean company that made the battery packs for the South Korean release is the one that is possibly the cause of all this hoopla. The few handsets out of the millions produced that have had issues with these crap cables and chargers have been in South Korea. None of the EU/NorthAm phones have been reported to have had this happen at all. Maybe unnamed sources that aren't Samsung themselves should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe we should wait for an official statement from Samsung before running in circles and screaming the sky is falling. It's a thought.
I'm not saying it couldn't be a massive, global recall but based on the 30+ articles I've read .. most of which messaged to me by my iPhone owning friends .. this seems like a bad batch in South Korea. I had a gasket issue on my motorcycle that was part of a recall .. will I stop buying that brand because of it. No. And before you start talking about fire and explosions .. oil spewing out of a gasket onto a tire while doing 70mph ... same thing.
-BoneZ- said:
Turn off fast charging in settings, problem solved.
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oh yeah? turn off a key feature of the phone, and problem solved?
if the camera was faulty, would you simply not use it, and be okay with it?
the iris scanner, if it didn't work, would you just disable it?