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EVO's camera is garbage

Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice

I like pics i take with it

magicalan said:
not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice
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It's the software that comes with it I've tried other camera software like camera pro it snaps fast like really fast. Just that the software needs to be updated for the HTC EVO. Far as stock camera video its the software encoding sucks. The hardware is great just finding the right software or somebody develops one. Seems as if all the devs are busy rooting and tweaking the roms that HTC and Google should of done before even releasing software. Then maybe the devs can focus on making apps for us. Maybe somebody will soon develop better camera and video app that really take advantage of this great camera.
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AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you focusing the camera? Press and hold on the screen in the area you want to focus and it will focus and snap the picture. The pictures are pretty good (not DSLR quality or anything, but much better than most/all phones).

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
2. Yes, the video quality does suck ass, but its been made a whole lot better here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711808. My evo is recording at 13 mbps in h.264, and the results are fantastic. We shouldn't have to be doing this, but at least its working.

It's a phone.
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Agreed. The camera sucks.. I think it's 8 in dog megapixels.

Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back

amirborna said:
Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back
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Very true. Tons of megapixels really only help when you want to get huge prints. The two most important parts of a camera in my opinion are the image sensor and the lens, neither of which are going to be that great on any phone camera. I think the pictures the Evo takes are pretty good for a phone.

The evo camera isn't amazing... but if you need quality pictures, DON'T RELY ON YOUR PHONE. It's a ****ing phone! Get yourself a point and shoot or a DSLR.

Guys guys think about it phone cameras has came a long way from back in the early days. Soon these cameras will take the place of point and shoot. If you want better get DSLR. I have seen some great
Photos around the forum. The camera in this EVO are capable of taking great photos plus EVO has the processor to handle it more than what a point and shoot has. Soon cell phones will be getting dual cores. But until then it is this whack stock software that is processing the photos. Take the iPhone 5mp camera making the EVO picture look bad because they have a great camera software. Only if somebody can write a better camera app if I could code that would of been the first app I would of made. That and a better video conferencing app.
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Mecha2142 said:
Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
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As someone who has owned and used both the iPhone 4 and the Evo (returned my iP4 for the Evo), I can confidently say that the iP4's camera does indeed destroy the one on the Evo. I love my Evo and wouldn't switch back if you paid me, but the cameras aren't even in the same league.
The Evo takes photos which are on-par with the smartphones we've all seen and used over the last few years. They're okay. You can put the pics up on your website, etc., but I wouldn't rely on the Evo for anything particularly important. The iP4's camera, on the other hand, is just amazing. It can hold its own against any of the typical $200 - $300 non-DSLR cameras on the market and, therefore, can effectively be your everyday, walking around camera.
The best summary I can give is that the Evo's camera is a good to okay camera -- for a cell phone. The iP4's camera is a very good camera -- period.

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you judging the fuzzy picture at first glance? By that I mean preview after your shot or in gallery? Because sometimes the picture if you don't zoom in it can look really fuzzy and then when you zoom in a title bit it corrects the picture quality and be very clear. Also download them to your pc and see how they actually turn out. You might be surprised. I am an avid amateur photographer so I use DSLR to shoot pictures. In good light the camera and software combo isn't bad. It has horrible low light capability but then again its a phone camera. And as many people said a few tweak here and there with the software and it will make a big difference. I know when they tweaked the HTC HD2 phone I had it made a world of difference. I know it will happen on this phone too. We have to let some get past the linpacks and quadrant scores for a little while before cameras become the hot topic
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the pictures aren't the greatest but i have gotten some really good ones. I attached a few. People need to quit complaining though, it's a damn phone and the quality isn't half bad, if we can make it better then so be it but it's good as it is. These are from when i took my lil sisters to the zoo we were at the butterfly garden. I didn't edit these at all and they look even better on my phone

Its inferior to other devices so actually we should complain. Sure you can get nice shots but its anything but automatic.

I don't think it's that bad. Took this picture a month ago.

I agree on both sides here...the camera is pretty decent, but I do believe software improvements can and should be made.
Hasn't it been posted here that the camera manufacturer is the same as the ip4's?

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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
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I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.

Cicatrize said:
I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.
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Exactly. I would have to say that's one of the reasons for the "megapixels aren't everything" argument. It's just a description of how many pixels the sensor can produce like you said.
If you have a bigger sensor (which is difficult in a cellphone camera obviously) like in a DSLR, you get bigger pixels. I freakin' love my new Canon Rebel T2i I just bought last week!

Photo quality (with pictures)

Here are the first photos I have seen on the web.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-ace-en.shtml#4
(edit: more shots in post #6 below)
It probably doesn't come as a surprise to most of you: the iphone is still king.
It is sad that such an expensive phone with an 8M pixels camera still makes such poor pictures in 2010/2011, when my 10 years old 3M pixels Fuji camera (which is far from high end) has been making perfect shots for the past 10 years.
After the iphone with its great camera and the galaxy s with its great super amoled screen, HTC comes out with a new high end dream phone: old gen LCD screen and old gen camera. (Oh yeah, it does have a faster CPU and more RAM - this should make me feel much better, considering the Desire/N1 was almost unusable with its bad performance..... /sarcasm off).
Seriously, there's no excuse when the iphone can do so much better with a 5M camera.
Ok, these were taken with an engineering sample. But knowing HTC, do you believe this can improve when it releases in 2 weeks?
PS: and for those wondering about the video quality, it isn't better than what we have seen from the Desire, but the fps is more stable thanks to the faster cpu: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8202670&postcount=83

HTC simply doesn't give a rat's ass about photo & external speakers quality. That's all fine and dandy, but then they shouldn't label their devices with "HD" when they clearly aren't hd.
It's a shame that Nokia N8, whose only downside is that unlucky Symbian OS, will be cheaper than Desire HD. Actually, it's the other way around, it's a shame Desire HD will be more expensive than N8.
think imma skip this one. In fact, I'll skip all HTC's untill they start using better cameras and better speakers.

Photos were taken under poor lighting conditions, which effect the white balance, and noise and they are blurry (slow shutter speed).
Not the ideal test imo... I'd rather wait for some outdoor performance.

Iphone - King?
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?

larsn84 said:
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?
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Well, we are talking about new phones coming out in 2010/2011, so of course I am talking about the iphone 4 and not the old iphone 3. Furthermore, keep in mind that you are comparing a new 2010 Desire with the old iphone 3.
In every comparative review I have seen the iphone 4 camera always comes out on top. It takes pictures that are at the beginning of something worth keeping, whereas the HTC cameras are just "okay", as you say, good enough if you want to show something to someone, but who would want to keep such horrible pictures in their photo album?
The iphone 4 shots, while not perfect, are something you can keep.
Anyway, we'll be seeing some more shots soon; I am still hoping for the best

Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
I think a good test would be to take a pic with the iphone 4 at 5MP and the same pic with the Desire HD at 8MP, and then resize it to 5MP to compare.
(reload the page if the pics don't load, or go to the above link and then reload the page. The remote site seems a little strange at times)

larsn84 said:
I dunno about Iphone4,
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
The video capture is also very good. Even better than those mini camcoders.
Check out the sample shots from the same site.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/apple-iphone4-en.shtml#8
Saying that, the lighting condition wasn't fair in the Desire HD review.

BigMango said:
Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
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very true.
My laptop at 1600x900 is pretty high res, but i still need to make the 8mpx shots smaller to see the whole pic. After resizing the quality looks pretty damn good. Much sharper.

I hate iphone but fact is iphone pixture quality is brilliant compared to any htc phone. I'm fan of htc but do feel let down by their camera, video and sound quality. Having said this I well probably still purchase dhd as everything else they do pretty well im comparison to any other smartphone.
Htc always promises great things but tend to short change thier loyal customers with their cheap skate antics.

Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most pupular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.

Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most p0pular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.

Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?

mupet0000 said:
Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?
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judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..

SupremeBeaver said:
judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..
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Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0

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Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0
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It would be preferable to compare with the original clip, not one uploaded to youtube. I'll do some snooping.
edit: looks like the EVO only does 8 Khz compared to the DHD's 44 Khz. Not sure on the bitrate though.
second edit: EVO records audio at 12.8 kbps compared to DHD's 65 kbps. Huge difference.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...evo-4gs-720p-hd-video-camera-paris-in-videos/

If the figures are correct then it's very promising. However the youtube clip is not making me excited about the quality. I certainly hope it's better then the evo but I have lowered my expections as far as the camera, video quality is concerned. This way I won't be dissappointed. Simples.
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The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.

Beards said:
The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.
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According to the dozens of reviews and comparative tests I have seen, the Iphone 4 always comes out on top.
Yes, the Galaxy S is good (most of the time comes out 2nd behind the iphone4), but Iphone 4 is better.
For example, here is iphone 4 vs android video comparison (galaxy s, desire and nexus one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_v4EJT3aTg (at 0:22 you can click on each phone to get the big video for each).
As you can see, the iphone 4 is far above everything else (but I agree the Galaxy is not bad).
As for photo, here:
Galaxy S: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bjpyyxuI/AAAAAAAAAi8/tfNGrB8CsGI/s1600/S16.jpg
Iphone 4: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bi08vgZI/AAAAAAAAAi0/9-6SJY9Bkzw/s1600/I16.JPG
And there's more here (iphone 4 vs galaxy s): http://androidhd.blogspot.com/2010/09/test-iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s.html
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
edit: but I agree, the galaxy s is very good in low light conditions. Many complain about the absence of flash, but it does much better without a flash than most other phones with flash do.

BigMango said:
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
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Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
I have no issue whatsoever with the i-Phone's camera, indeed it very good and a marked improvement over the i-Phone 3g.
But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.

Beards said:
Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
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Well, to me dozens of different testers (some amateurs and some professionals) can't be wrong. Especially when the iphone 4 never failed to come out on top.
And I really did a lot of research on this as I was about to get a GS myself (before deciding to wait for the Desire HD).
But of course, I am glad you are very pleased with the GS. This is the most important in the end, isn't it.
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I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
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So lets summarize the Galaxy S:
- Buggy GPS, sometimes it works for some people, sometimes it doesn't
- Laggy phone, sometimes it lags... sometimes not...
- Buggy camera, sometimes it works great for some people, sometimes it doesn't...
Iphone 4: it just works.
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But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.
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Well, that's not just my opinion. It's the conclusions of almost all of the testers on the web, amateurs and professionals as well.
By the way, I have posted several supportive links. Where are yours? (just kidding, this is a Desire HD thread after all)

Really bad audio on video recordings :(:(

hi..i m currently using the native camera app to capture videos...video quality is very good...but the audio is crap...i was recording a live concert...not exactly a concert though...live music performance...the video turned out very good but the audio really sucked...
since the phones mic is the only source...i would like to know if there is an app that can record good quality videos with decent sound...?
Or is there anyway i can remove noise from the recordings using a software on the pc...any convertor that will convert the video to a format which will output the audio better.
P.S the audio is real bad...just not acceptable...its very hazzy and full of noise
Note : settings used were...720p..mpeg4 codec.
Please HELP !!

I second the OPs inquiry...

The answer, as always, is CM. Video and audio quality is superior in CM.

2.3 fixes this via a new ACC codec. CM7, which is very much alpha, is the best choice. Whether that's worth flashing just for that fix is up to you.
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Award Tour said:
2.3 fixes this via a new ACC codec. CM7, which is very much alpha, is the best choice. Whether that's worth flashing just for that fix is up to you.
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Don't do this yet, though. The camcorder is still not working on CM7.

i hv no time to flash CM or 2.3 right now...was looking for a quick fix...some app/codec or tweak that will enable me to record better audio...or i don mind if theres a software for the pc which will rectify the recordings later...i need to do 3 hrs of live recording tomm...and sound is very vital !

i too would love better audio

rstuckmaier said:
Don't do this yet, though. The camcorder is still not working on CM7.
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My video camera is working fine for me....
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camcorder is fixed in cm7 lithid kang builds

techspark said:
i hv no time to flash CM or 2.3 right now...was looking for a quick fix...some app/codec or tweak that will enable me to record better audio...or i don mind if theres a software for the pc which will rectify the recordings later...i need to do 3 hrs of live recording tomm...and sound is very vital !
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If it is so vital and you don't have time to flash a ROM, then march yourself to Best Buy or your nearest electronics store and buy a camcorder. Relying on a "phone" to record "vital" video and audio is not the way to go.

^^ camcorder is out of budget...already spent a lot on d evo..so need to wait a while to get a good camcorder...
[offtopic]do camcorders record audio better..or do u need to buy some production mic to get better audio on video recordings in scenerios like music concerts..? Are there some ports on the camcorder to feed in the audio thru cables etc ?

yes, the video quality is pretty bad even at the max settings. i've never been happy with it.
if you got it less than a month ago, and the video is THAT important to you, you should return the phone and get an even exchange for the Samsung Epic.
The video recording on the Epic is amazing. Even better than the iPhone 4. My wife has it and i'm totally jealous of her video quality, which rivals our flip camcorder.
Besides that, the Evo is a much better phone in almost every way.
but if you're specifically looking for an amazing camcorder and not much else, go get yourself an Epic.

i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?

techspark said:
i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?
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The point that you are missing is you are trying to use a phone as a replacement for a camcorder.

techspark said:
i got it 2 months back.
i donno but technically evo should record better video and audio as opposed to epic...the fact that evo has 8mp...mpeg4 codecs and features like light correction etc...i know 8mp don matter much but technically more the pixels better is the resolution and naturally better quality....is software the culprit in case of evo or is it that i m missing something abt the hardware of both phones ?
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MP means very little outside of how many pixels at maximum the photo can be made of. With EVO vs Epic video recording its a non issue since both record at the same size -720p- and no larger. Outside of MP, the Epic's sensor is just better; it may capture less pixels at its maximum but the pixels that it does capture will be of higher quality. A lot of people have said that the Epic takes better photos than the iPhone 4; and we just had a long thread where it was found out that the reason why the iPhone 4 shoots better than the EVO is because it does indeed have a better sensor. That's likely the same reason why the SGS/Epic are better too.
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Award Tour said:
MP means very little outside of how many pixels at maximum the photo can be made of. With EVO vs Epic video recording its a non issue since both record at the same size -720p- and no larger. Outside of MP, the Epic's sensor is just better; it may capture less pixels at its maximum but the pixels that it does capture will be of higher quality. A lot of people have said that the Epic takes better photos than the iPhone 4; and we just had a long thread where it was found out that the reason why the iPhone 4 shoots better than the EVO is because it does indeed have a better sensor. That's likely the same reason why the SGS/Epic are better too.
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Exactly.
HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.

bweisholtz said:
Exactly.
HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.
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which is why i want a Galaxy S phone on Sprint but no slideout keyboard...Epic without keyboard. Come on Sprint!

bweisholtz said:
HTC makes great phones, but are notorious for making horrible camera sensors. This is because, besides from tacking them on to phones, the DON'T MAKE CAMERAS and have no experience in it and little budget to fix it up.
On the other hand, Samsung has been making digital cameras for the last 10 years and are even better known for their cameras than their phones. So, they have more money and research behind this form of technology. So they just slay at making cameras for phones as well.
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If this is the case, I wish HTC would buy their camera sensors from Samsung...

billyman said:
If this is the case, I wish HTC would buy their camera sensors from Samsung...
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Has very little to do with what he said. The iPhone and EVO use sensors from the same company. The difference is in product direction. Apple aims for quality, HTC aims for numbers. People expect Apple products to be easy and to work good; most of them don't have a clue what a mega pixel is or does. HTC doesn't have the same product positioning as Apple so they rely on marketing numbers to persuade people (3 more MP then the iPhone 4!!!). At least that's my view.

snowpunter said:
The answer, as always, is CM. Video and audio quality is superior in CM.
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Is this really true? I always though that whenever i recorded or took pics with a CM rom it look a little bit better pics or shot better vids than any sense rom just did not know it was ture, or is it? What makes it better?

so im due an upgrade...

I have seen the reviews of the galaxy sii and sensation, i thought i would have a look at the galaxy?
Seems very nice but i was more interested in the camera features than anything.
The guy in the phone shop was game to help me compare the difference in image quality, so we took pictures of the same object at roughly same direction distance etc.
I was shocked!
The default software on both phones showed @ .2-.5mb file size difference, the galaxy image seemed like it had some filter on it to 'smooth' some of the noise, macro shots were lovely on the galaxy but bottom line was galaxy was only slightly better.
I use 360camera app and we tried that in comparison, and WOW! The image quality was far more superior on my DHD.
The couldnt believe it?
The video on the sii was far better full stop.
So i think i might hold out on the upgrade until autum until the new models apear?
As nice as both these phones looked i seriously dont see a big enough improvement to warrent me getting rid of my dhd?
Has any one else tried to physically compare?

In the same boat as you mate. Thought about getting a dual core but it just didn't seem worth it at this time.
Right now I'm going to stick with the Dhd which has held me in good stead and wait to see what comes out in the months to follow.
Basically Gingerbread isn't optimized for dual cores anyway. It's a bit like the situation we had with computers a few years ago where the 64 bit cpu had just come out but it had no value over 32 bit because there wasn't any 64 bit software.
So now I'm going to wait and see for phones to be released with ice cream sandwich, as it's slated to support dual cores.
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Its sonething i will sit on for sure, as tempting as it was after seeing no significant improvement in the camera (its the camera thats of interest to me) it would be a waste of time.
No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.

Yeah, I'd agree very much. My friend has a Galaxy S2, I wanted to see how much of an improvement the camera was. I have a really messed up camera, due to dropping it on a sharp edge on the gym equipment in my room, the camera cover smashed and my autofocus doesn't work as well as it used to. Either ways, I decided to compare pictures, but with a tree, and from a little distance as it would be easy to see which camera captured more definition on some leaves. Ok, stock to stock, Galaxy S2 won hands down. Stock camera on the Desire HD produced an image with weird sharpness and a bloom effect of sorts, so the yellows were a little strong. The whole image as a whole seemed to have a dream effect applied (in comparison to the Galaxy S2's stock image).
Anyways I then decided to try Camera360 AND Vignette on my phone. WOW big difference! My image was around 9-10mb in file size, and was MUCH sharper. Not only sharper, but it caught the detail around the leaves and on the leaves. Scaling in 100% to the relative image size on my HD monitor, there was no real loss in quality, and details could easily be seen. Next, tried the Camera360 on his, wasn't much difference from the stock camera, even with settings to 100% JPEG quality. So i'd say, stock to stock, Galaxy S2 wins. Camera360 wise, Desire HD wins hands down, although not by a massive difference. Images were a little clearer. Now, when I tried out HD recording using stock to stock, 720p test of course, the Galaxy S2 owned the Desire HD D: But using lgCamera, and raising bitrate to 20mbps (The Desire HD actually recorded it in 26.5mbps) Desire HD was quite good, almost on par with the Galaxy S2. Galaxy S2 recorded in 12mbps, so double the bitrate on the Desire HD but less than double increase in quality (obviously). I changed encoding settings to h264 on Desire HD, file size was around 150mb a minute at 720p. Didn't have a chance to try out 1080p with lgCamera and high bitrate, although I think it'll have a high bitrate as standard. Stock 1080p on Galaxy S2 was visually STUNNING, to say the least very cool. Wish I could record in 1080p on the Desire HD I like to compare new things. So although the Galaxy S2 has a nicer screen, and dual core, it's not really that much faster in day to day apps (excluding games since I don't game on my phones much) and only other benefit is 1080p! I'd rather get a dedicated camera/camcorder for that then spend that much for that facility in a phone. So for me, I don't feel as though it's such a big upgrade. I'll wait to see what else comes out...bleh i'm poor atm anyways

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No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.
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Yup, i'm sure we will. Bound to happen.
They should've put the sensor in the Desire HD to better use when it comes to HD recording...the pictures turn out good!

Elemental_Fire said:
Yup, i'm sure we will. Bound to happen.
They should've put the sensor in the Desire HD to better use when it comes to HD recording...the pictures turn out good!
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If you are referring to 1080p recording its not possible due to the processor limitations. The only 1080p phones are dual cores.
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Nope, I meant they could have used a better sharpening algorithm while the video is being recorded. And yeah, I know it's very unlikely for a single core to record in 1080p

jamiee6610 said:
No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.
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But whats the use of 10-12mp if they don't put in a bigger sensor?

neandertaler19 said:
But whats the use of 10-12mp if they don't put in a bigger sensor?
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nothing.. absolutely nothing . it is a way to trick customers
even a sony cyber shot 6mp camera which was available 2 years before .. click better picture then our 8mp camera..due to larger light sensor.
but yea you should remember its a phone .. not a camera.. you cannot have best of the two worlds.

HTC One video stabilization tested against Lumia 920 and iPhone 5

You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded

Dont let the door hit you on your way out.

katamari201 said:
You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded
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Thanks for showing how amazing the low light performance of the One is. Remarkable. I'm not looking to shoot perfect video and what you showed me seems great for me.
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mobilehavoc said:
Thanks for showing how amazing the low light performance of the One is. Remarkable. I'm not looking to shoot perfect video and what you showed me seems great for me.
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Indeed, very good low light performance.

If you read anandtechs review they state why. The Lumia focuses on constant frames so it doesn't capture as much light. The one can get more light but it's frames drop slightly lower to 20ish. The OIS isn't as good as the limits but it's better than any other phone with EIS.
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katamari201 said:
You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded
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Still, One is the first smartphone Anandtech has ever given a gold medal. All other smarthphones were never given even one medal. Its camera was almost given a lot of praises. I wonder why.
Btw, those videos are from Anandtech, not GSMArena. Just sayin.

katamari201 said:
You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded
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dang son going hard.

what you want?
I'm a videographer, and believe me a professional video camera cost USD4000 with OIS on might not do better than what the One did. We can only seriously applaud the Lumia for doing a superb job here. And believe me, a Canon 5D would do worse then the One in walking videos, much worse!
In the end, it boils down to what you want your video for. If I want my videos to look perfectly good, stable and constant frame rate, I wouldn't use a phone camera. Casual gatherings, family videos? Yes I will use the One as it is always with me and special moments usually come by when there is no camera equipments around. When I do use a phone camera for videos like these, I'd much prefer dropped framerate but able to capture details...It will be useless to me if I get smooth videos with no details in it.

katamari201 said:
You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded
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Lol "courtesy of GSMArena". Videos list Anandtech as the source.

katamari201 said:
You know how delusional so many people on this forum are? How many times I've said the video on HTC One is jerky and makes me vomit and the OIS is almost non-existent? Well these videos are even more definitive proof, courtesy of GSMArena. First video has it up against the Lumia 920. The 920 is 10x smoother, although that was never a debate from the beginning. The last video shows the terrible night time performance of the HTC One. It blurs and drops frames constantly when in motion. It has always done this, but having it put side by side with something superior really rubs it in. The kicker is how much smoother the iPhone 5 is compared to the HTC One. The Galaxy S 4 has a similar software based stabilization with similar results. None of them drop frames or blur at night. The HTC One just loves bouncing around and jerking about.
If you are going to tout your camera so hard, expect the same amount of criticism, HTC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZCkvVW0ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXHV5ZOVyY&feature=player_embedded
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Not bad at all I would say. 920 is super good indeed but I don't see how One is bad as a phone cam. and as the others said the source is Anandtech which gives about the best rating to One, so what's your point? I don't even know what you are angry about, if I don't like a brand or their ad then don't buy it. I would not bother angry to Nokia or Samsung if I don't like their product.

i dont see how this is bad. OIS is clearly there, though may not be as good as the 920 as expected. OIS in the 920 was made by Carl Zeiss if i'm not mistaken and it's really something out of this world. That said, the One is not far behind, having good OIS and dominating the low light recording section is a big win for me.

If I wanted a great camera I would buy one
Nuff said
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Thanks op, you just help me win an argument over lumia camera stills being software gimmick crap. The video performance showed how truly crap the lumia camera is. Sure its 30fps but look at the light capturing on it?
P:s, a real camera will show bright viewfinder before snapping, while the lumia shows pitch black viewfinder, then lighten up the surrounding with software alteration.
The one x could do the same with its nightmode - hdr bug. Its all software
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So far, this is the best low light camera comparison I have seen.
Thanks a lot :good:

Great low light performance, as for the image stabilisation HTC One is a smartphone with a decent camera not a phone attached to a superb camera.