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[CLOSED/DZ] HTC Desire Z (G2 w/ Sense)

HTC just announced the Desire Z version of their "Vision" handset that is identical to the G2. It runs a newer version of HTC Sense that's got a lot of nice new enhancements. I expect G2 owners will want to port this in a hurry.
Desire Z will be available in October in Europe and Asia only.
Check out this "Fast Boot" --- boots in like 4 seconds::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWPMens9C8
YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERH9BoU64pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXnCOhvoqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FAIlKN2u5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNDsZNRag
Specifications (from here):
800 MHz Qualcomm Scorpion
Qualcomm MSM7230
2x faster than Snapdragon CPU
5x better than Snapdragon GPU
Android 2.2 w/ HTC Sense
3.7 inch display
800 x 480 resolution
SLCD technology
5 megapixel camera
LED flash
720p HD recording
HSPA+ integration
WiFi b/g/n
Size: 4.7 x 2.4 x 0.6 inches
Weight: 6.5 ounces
Battery: 1300 mAh Lion
Talk time: up to 6.5 hours
Standby time: up to 17.5 days
Pop-out QWERTY keyboard
Four rows
Programmable “quick access” keys
4GB of internal memory
Full aluminum body
HTC Fast Boot
Pre-installed 8GB microSD card
GPS with A-GPS
DLNA Streaming and Media Sharing
3.5 mm stereo audio jack
micro-USB (5-pin micro-USB 2.0)
Audio supported formats – Playback: .aac, .amr, .ogg, .m4a, .mid, .mp3, .wav, .wma (Windows Media Audio 9)
Video supported formats – Playback: .3gp, .3g2, .mp4, .wmv (Windows Media Video 9)
Ambient light sensor
Proximity sensor
Digital compass

That fast boot is crazy. I'm loving the phone, definitely fast. However the phone looks VERY thick.

so its called "HTC fast boot". I wonder if that means the G2 won't have it. I'd be a lot more likely to turn my phone off and save battery if I knew I could turn it back on that quick

The Desire Z has 1.5GB of internal memory from what I've read at Engadget, not 4.
Infact, your source also says 1.5GB internal memory.

Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.

Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.

dualityim said:
Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.
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a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.

Superfrag said:
Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.
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Not really sure if that equates to better performance, but it is more efficient.
If you think about it, past 1st gen snapdragon phones had very poor GPUs which made the CPU look slower. Maybe the upgraded GPU adds speed to an otherwise speedy CPU.

That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.

but will the 1300mah battery life survive?

I think it should be better. The shrinkage in die size results in a more efficient CPU, which emits less heat and consumes less power. If it was 1500mAh it would have been super, but I think 1300 mAh will be pretty good.
Maybe, just maybe HTC might release 1500 batteries, which will be sold separately. Or we might have to turn to aftermarket battery makers to satisfy our needs! (obviously not the extended version, same size but higher mAh)

Superfrag said:
That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.
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I've heard that the MSM7x30 is actually the new 1Ghz Snapdragon underclocked at 800Mhz. Apparently that info is on the qualcomm website somewhere. If true then hell yeah the CPU can be overclocked, at the expense of battery power though.
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The video on youtube titled "htc desire z - a closer look" is pretty amazing (i can't post links as i'm too new to this site). i'm just wondering how much is sense and how much will be on the g2...

skulk3r said:
a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.
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Notice that those specs specifically mention that the CPU is 2x faster and the GPU is 5x faster, so when they say the CPU is 2x faster, they are not talking about the performance boost gained from using the Adreno 205, they are specifically referring to a faster CPU core. That's what I'm wondering about, the GPU is faster for sure, but all evidence points to a CPU that performs the same (or worse, due to the 200MHz slower clock) but shrunk to 45nm for better power efficiency.

You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?

We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.

sheek360 said:
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.
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The Desire Z seems to have DLNA, according to HTC. It's around 4 mins into the promo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ

ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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sheek360 said:
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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Probably not. I don't see t-mobile digging into their pockets for that.

j.books said:
ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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You don't understand, Snapdragon is not a chip, it's a chipset or SoC. The CPU in Snapdragon is called Scorpion, and the G2 supposedly uses the same CPU, except manufactured in a 45nm process rather than a 65nm process. So except for the clock speed, we shouldn't expect any changes in the performance of the CPU.

[DISCUSSION] Desire Z vs Desire HD

I going to buy one of these phones, just cant decide which one, please help me with my decision. just wonder what people think, and for what phone will there be more developers from xda around and so on.

Probably should wait until we have confirmed spec of the CPU and GPU on both devices, or perhaps even benchmarks, in my opinion.
Personally I much prefer the HD because bigger screen = easier to use on-screen keyboard. And with SwiftKey I don't really care too much about physical keyboard nowadays. However the HD seems rather expensive. But then yea it has a better camera and dual flash...

yes those test will be nice to see, it is not so big difference in price between the models, not if you look the sites from sweden, the hd cost around 40 $ more than the Z.
I wanna have one of them directly when they comes out, cant wait. hehe

i am going to have a try of both of them and if the HTC HD is tooooooo BIG i will go for the Z

Some review website wrote that HD is faster and has more memory (768 vs 512).
I'm not sure, I know Z uses Adreno 205 which is pretty decent and I hope hardware Adobe Flash Acceleration is not just a buzz word. Not sure about HD's GPU, how it compares.
Will probably want to see some CPU/GPU benchmarks before making final decision...

i couldnt wait any longer, preordered the Z, thinks its more usefull with the full qwerty.

Found this on Qualcomm's website.
They are probably identical, yet the description of Desire Z's GPU is more impressive
HTC Desire HD:
MSM8255™ and MSM8655™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
HTC Desire Z:
MSM7230™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

Desire z or desire HD?
Desire z or desire HD?
which one do you pick and why

wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?

shad0wfire said:
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
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Yep it is. But in theory of course. ;-) I think that SGX 540 is still the fastest GPU solution on the market. But we'll see when G2/Desire Z will be available....

The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....

Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?

Was thinking seriously about Desire HD, but recently changed my mind in favor of Desire Z.
DHD to me sounds somehow "unfinished" - regardless of the supreme specs. On the other side DesireZ just looks like really well designed phone ... look for example where are the audio plugs on DHD and DZ.

zaghy2zy said:
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
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If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.

steviewevie said:
If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
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I own a Touch Pro 2, and although the keyboard is robust, the OS is not that spectacular.
I bought a HTC Wildfire for my girlfriend, I played with it and it started to love android, I like that phone even more than my Touch Pro 2, so I can hardly wait for the Desire Z.

Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.

tigger69 said:
Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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I believe the HD has the same CPU as the Z, just clocked at 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz.

xspyda said:
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
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Pretty sure it's a mis-print - still 2 years.

anyone know the root capabilities for desire z? cause if all else fails we could just use set cpu to 1ghz but i really wouldnt think its nessicary.

Desire Z all the way. I have been waiting for a good free QWERTY keyboard since the G1 and I know this is it. Plus with Cyanogen support this device is going to be the BOMB.

GPU POWER of Desire HD?

Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?

It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.

Dyonas said:
It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.
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That is wrong bro. Both the DZ/G2 and the DHD have the same GPU, which is the Adreno 205.

I've been reading about a lot, and I think the future has to show what GPU is better.
Why? It's also very software depending.
I think when only looking to the GPU, the samsung en de desire Z are at the same level.
But when looking at the overal performance and hardware, the desire HD will outperform the others. The benchmarks show.
I know the galaxy has improved a lot with custom ROM's, but the desire hd will too (maybe not as much).
And I do think the gaming experience on mobile phones isn't just about the GPU. At least not as much as on the desktop computers these days.
The current Desire uses a gen1 1ghz snapdragon QSD8250 with the adreno 200 GPU
The Desire Z will use the gen2 800mhz snapdragon MSM7230 with the adreno 205 GPU
The Desire HD will use the gen 2 1ghz snapdragon MSM8255 with the adreno 205 GPU.
I don't think it should not matter much in your choice of phone.

Sherwood1 said:
Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?
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Ello m8, i've got asphalt 5 hd, nova, need for speed, lets play golf, all of the top end games basically and i can tell you now that the desire hd has no problems playing any of them, saying that i just overclocked my desire hd's cpu to 1420 and got a quadrant score of 2495 so i'm probably overkilling a little bit here.
The difference between the DHD, SGSs gpus are quite slight if any. I'm happy with my oc'd DHD tho.

Yeah the GPU is plenty powerful. I don't think there is any game for Android right now that fully utilizes all the Adreno 205's power. Im really happy with it because i plan on doing plenty of gaming on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzgNJi3lbww
a nice video of gaming on DHD.

Possible GPU Improvements?

Hi every1.
Was just reading this article :
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=257
It is QUITE interesting to see that the Flyer scores so much higher in GPU compared to the Desire HD...
Could it be there are improved GPU drivers? Could this be the reason HTC Sense 3.0 is coming to the Flyer but NOT the Desire HD?
If this is the case, maybe some developers could get something valuable out of a possible Rom dump?
Any Ideas?

It might not be using the same GPU, that's just speculation according to that site
Due to the much higher res, it would also need a much better GPU to get higher scores, I doubt it's using the 205 looking at those results and that res

Joey93 said:
It might not be using the same GPU, that's just speculation according to that site
Due to the much higher res, it would also need a much better GPU to get higher scores, I doubt it's using the 205 looking at those results and that res
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Yes but Qualcomm (as far as we know) doesn't have any single cores with the 220.
Which is why I assume it has to be the 205. Or else Qualcomm made an exclusive for HTC?
In that case maybe HTC does have a point saying that parts of Sense 3.0 wont make it onto the Desire HD line because of hardware limitations...
Hm...

From what I've read over the net, the Flyer is running a dual-core clocked at 1.5Ghz? Which leads me to believe it'll be an Adreno 220.
I would be very disappointed the Flyer won't ship with a dual core chip given the competition. At minimum I'd expect the same specs as the recently announced HTC Sensation.

kinnyfaifai said:
From what I've read over the net, the Flyer is running a dual-core clocked at 1.5Ghz? Which leads me to believe it'll be an Adreno 220.
I would be very disappointed the Flyer won't ship with a dual core chip given the competition. At minimum I'd expect the same specs as the recently announced HTC Sensation.
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It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/

Hawks556 said:
It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/
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But it could be dual-core with locked secound core... And Ardeno 220. I don't belive they have just build bigger desire HD, OC'ed CPU and thats it.

krogoth said:
But it could be dual-core with locked secound core... And Ardeno 220. I don't belive they have just build bigger desire HD, OC'ed CPU and thats it.
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It could also be quad-core with three cores locked, but I doubt it I think they would have advertised it as dual-core if it really was that.

Like someone else mentioned, the Flyer is using a single core for sure and most likely the same GPU as the Desire HD.
I would speculate that the score is so much higher because the Flyer is running Gingerbread. Gingerbread was said to improve graphics performance with better driver support, and maybe HTC decided to optimize their Adreno drivers too which probably explains the jump in performance.
To be honest this actually makes me a little more excited for the Gingerbread update coming anytime now because we'll probably get the same improvements

SupremeBeaver said:
Like someone else mentioned, the Flyer is using a single core for sure and most likely the same GPU as the Desire HD.
I would speculate that the score is so much higher because the Flyer is running Gingerbread. Gingerbread was said to improve graphics performance with better driver support, and maybe HTC decided to optimize their Adreno drivers too which probably explains the jump in performance.
To be honest this actually makes me a little more excited for the Gingerbread update coming anytime now because we'll probably get the same improvements
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Hmm... knowing HTC, they probably wont bring any graphical improvements. We will probably have to get some dev to get what ever HTC did to improve the drivers.

Hawks556 said:
It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/
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I stand corrected! I just had a peep on pdadb.net and it's reporting a single core 1.5Ghz chip with Adreno 205 GPU in it. Obviously take that with a pinch of salt, anything can happen from now till release day.
If it is running an Adreno 205, then lets hope they have developed an optimized driver that can be ported.

Has anyone (I say anyone, I mean devs) had a look at the Xperia Play GPU drivers yet? Same chipset, but apparently heavily optimised drivers. I think LeeDrOiD was going to look into it but I'm not sure if he got round to it.

+1
Even an employee in Qualcomm said that the graphic driver in desire hd is somewhat "immature"
But there's another possibility, the flyer may use dual channel ddrs which makes its memory bandwidth doubles the dhd, and we don't have dedicated vram, so.......?
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Attention, smartbench is always leaning towards Samsung.
Sensation in smartbench is even weaker then i9000 in gaming. But GLbenchmark tells differently, it shows 3rd gen snapdragon is faster than tegra2 in graphics(optimus 2x)
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I for one don't trust any(and I mean ANY) synthetic benchmarks.The only benchmarks I trust are the ones dedicated to a certain aspect of the device,e.g Linpack for CPU,Nenamark/GLBenchmark etc for CPU and so on.Synthetic benchmarks can be quite unreliable.

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I for one don't trust any(and I mean ANY) synthetic benchmarks.The only benchmarks I trust are the ones dedicated to a certain aspect of the device,e.g Linpack for CPU,Nenamark/GLBenchmark etc for CPU and so on.Synthetic benchmarks can be quite unreliable.
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True.
Because those dedicated benchmarks are much more professional.
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I played with the Arc today and...

First off, I don't want any fanboy reactions from SGS2 users or what kind of other phone. I'm just wondering why we don't have got it?
Today I played with the Arc of my nephew. And what must I say? We updated to the newest firmware before starting.
I must say that our x10 has received a very very very crappy 2.3.3 update. The Arc has ALMOST NO lags. Everything runs smoother then on our x10. They both got 1Ghz processor, how did this happen?
Also battery life is MUCH better. x10 was on lowest brightness, Arc FULL brightness both connected with wifi. X10 had a simcard, and the Arc not. But damn? Our x10 lost so many % battery in constant use while the Arc just lost 1%!!! X10 has even custom rom...
Both phones similair processor, only newer generation on Arc. Both running same clockspeed. How the heck can our x10 then perform much and much worse?
Just a few things I'm wondering, and NO I'm not going to buy a Arc. I got better things to buy
By chance any developer then can fully uncap all FPS to 60 FPS on our x10. Including 3D. I'm not expecting 3D games to run 60FPs but atleast that they will be able to reach the max FPS our GPU can handle if uncapped... The only thing we've got uncapped is 2D graphics, nothing more... And 2D graphics on Arc are still smoother...
Who will be able to make us x10 perform better? Is it kernel related? Arc has newer kernel?
I know thread is a bit messy, but how the heck can a phone with almost similair hardware (just newer generation processor and some new things) perform so much much much better? You can't make me believe that the processor in the Arc is 100% faster... Both same clockspeed just some little improvements for energy and stronger GPU, and the UI has no heavy graphics... Arc = butter smooth in scrolling and all UI related stuff.
I believe SE is capping more then only the FPS?

Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
Both phones similair processor
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Better processor would also mean better gpu...
It is the processor completely. Try any phone with that gen, its the same reason those phones can overclock to 1.8 ghz comfortably

Hey guys...
My Dell with a 2.4 ghz Pentium IV running win7 runs like crap compared to my Dell with a 2.4 ghz intel core and nvidia gtx 460. Why did Dell give us such an inferior Win7?
I mean, both laptops have the same speed but the core one lasts 4x as long as the old one! They're so similar but it's so *convenient* that the newer one is running win7 better.
Doesn't anyone else think that Dell is crapping our Win7 on purpose? It's a conspiracy folks!

I guess there are several clarifications needed.
1. X10's brightness is controlled by fluorescent illuminators as compared to Arc's LED backlit. have you ever wondered why sometimes the backlight doesn't dim smoothly? fluorescent illuminated display consumes hell lot more battery as compared to LED. this is rather self explanatory.
2. the process in x10's and arc's processor are different. x10 uses 65nm while arc uses 45nm. power consumption and efficiency in both are obviously different. performance wise, different too.
3. adreno 200 and adreno 205 are of major difference. adreno 205 enables hardware accelerated flash and rendering while 200 does not. adreno 200 is ancient FYI.
4. FPS on the x10 is uncapped to 55. i suppose that doesn't make much difference with 60?

There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
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zdzihu said:
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
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Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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I don't think there is a way to directly overclock GPU on SoC. it's not like in PC we have a separate graphics card to run graphic rendering.
100MB RAM is dedicated to vRAM.

silveraero said:
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
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but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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you can overclock gpu by overclocking the whole processor. only gpu is not possible

KeizBaby said:
but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
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Did you read any of the thread?

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
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No, but as mentioned before, you can overclock the whole chip.
Oodie said:
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
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The "missing memory" is used by Linux kernel (dsp, camera, encoder and) and is not accessible by user. This is common
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Old technology vs New technology...
go figure.

Thanks ToonXW , keizbaby and Z for repling. Got it now

So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3

Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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Flo95 said:
Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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It reacts better because it has better fps and multi touch...
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adham3322 said:
So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
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Custom kernels... We wait for semc sources...
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Already overclock CPU speed to 1.3GHz, install custom ROM if you want it.
The differences between the X10 and Arc are CPU, RAM, GPU. Same CPU name with different code 200-205, RAM: 384/512, GPU is included on CPU so new CPU technology mean better GPU. That why everything on ARC is smoother than X10. You must know exactly what you are talking about, not only the value of processor.

The x10 is pretty damn smooth now, I get all day usage from it, constantly on WiFi. The people complaining must have forgotten what 1.6 was like, it's night and day now.
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