[DISCUSSION] Which one is faster ... HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD ? - G2 and Desire Z General

EDIT: Similar topic already being discussed. Please direct further discussion to Desire Z vs. Desire HD. Thank You. ~TheRomMistress
Hi
Can any one tell me which device is faster
HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD
and if want one of them which one you will take​

Desire HD has 1 ghz and Desire Z/Vision have 800 mhz soooo figure it out on ur own
Sent from my HTC Espresso, that is apperantly a failing device using the XDA App

the desire hd is the fastest android phone now. the desire z might be faster than the current nexus and desire due to the newer design even though clock speed is slower.

the z is an underclocked hd
that should be all the info u need

Well actually Desire HD is running with a MSM8255, and Z with a MSM7230. Both 45nm, so power usage should be considerably down from last gen, but I haven't seen any real benchmarks to compare the chips yet. We can probably assume HD will be faster in every regard; that's what it's supposed to be. (I'm still getting a Z! )

i wouldnt count on it being faster in every regard, different resolution remember, higher=more stress on graphics. they prob about the same if anything

My opinion : Desire Z is faster .. and do you know why?
So..
Desire HD using Qualcomm QSD8255 -> it is Snapdragon 1st generation
specifications:
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
QSD8650 supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Low-power 65nm process technology
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
GPU - 3D graphics with up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in seventh-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
Bud Desire Z using Qualcomm MSM7230 -> Snapdragon 2nd generation
Specifications:
Scorpion 800 MHz CPU (can be safely overclocked to 1GHz = Recommanded Maximum )
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
So Desire Z have:
CPU on 800MHz .. but not problem go to 1GHz = Same as Desire HD
GPU 2 x better then Desire HD GPU = +1 to Desire Z
45nm technology - Desire HD have 65nm technology = +1 to Desire Z
So in SoC category is Desire Z better then Desire HD.
Regards, MiTMaN
PS: Repair me please when Im wrong.

You are wrong, MiTMaNeK; both MSM8255 and MSM7230 are 2nd gen chipsets. I can't post a link but look it up on qualcomm's site.
They're the same except for clock speed.

MiTMaNeK said:
My opinion : Desire Z is faster .. and do you know why?
So..
Desire HD using Qualcomm QSD8255 -> it is Snapdragon 1st generation
specifications:
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
QSD8650 supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Low-power 65nm process technology
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
GPU - 3D graphics with up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in seventh-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
Bud Desire Z using Qualcomm MSM7230 -> Snapdragon 2nd generation
Specifications:
Scorpion 800 MHz CPU (can be safely overclocked to 1GHz = Recommanded Maximum )
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
So Desire Z have:
CPU on 800MHz .. but not problem go to 1GHz = Same as Desire HD
GPU 2 x better then Desire HD GPU = +1 to Desire Z
45nm technology - Desire HD have 65nm technology = +1 to Desire Z
So in SoC category is Desire Z better then Desire HD.
Regards, MiTMaN
PS: Repair me please when Im wrong.
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Great summary, one m ore question:
Normal Desire has Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 1 GHz processor and Desire HD QSD8255 cpu, which means it is newer?
So maybe Desire HD has 45nm die shrink and better GPU like Desire Z?
Mine question is, does Desire Z has faster GPU than normal Desire(I am planing to move to Desire Z, I simply love it's keyboard) and does it uses less power than normal Desire(45nm vs 65nm ?)

Having looked at the various spec sheets out there (including the list of devices using the MSM8255 and the MSM7230) it looks like the HD and Z both have a 2nd gen 45nm based CPU both with the same adreno 205 GPU. Its essentially a tie between the two I would summise since one device's pros outweigh the other's cons and vice versa.
Personnaly Im not bothered about having an 8MP camera since I would prefer a hardware qwerty keyboard, the two devices are both good however I prefer the Z.
The only difference, according to qualcomms website, is the additional 3D acceleration bits in the Z (highlighted in bold), which is encouraging
The MSM8x55 chipset platform consists of the MSM8255™ and MSM8655™ and features a newly designed and optimized multimedia sub-system over previous Snapdragon generations.
* Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
* Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
o MSM8255 support for HSPA+ networks – up to14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
o MSM8655 support for HSPA+ networks – up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
o Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, MPEG-2, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, On2 VP6)
* High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
* High-resolution up to XGA (1024x768) display support
* 12-megapixel camera support
* Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
* Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
* Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
* Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
* Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
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The MSM7x30 chipset platform consists of the MSM7230™ and MSM7630™.
* Scorpion 800 MHz CPU
* Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
o MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
o MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
o Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
* High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
* High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
* 12-megapixel camera support
* Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
* Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
* Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
* Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
* Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
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Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

Ok, and normal Desire has 65nm CPU and old GPU?
And about the camera, I don't need 8MP at all, pics are only bigger with more MP(and has more noise) I would prefer 5MP cam with less noise.

MiTMaNeK said:
My opinion : Desire Z is faster .. and do you know why?
So..
Desire HD using Qualcomm QSD8255 -> it is Snapdragon 1st generation
specifications:
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
QSD8650 supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Low-power 65nm process technology
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
GPU - 3D graphics with up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in seventh-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
Bud Desire Z using Qualcomm MSM7230 -> Snapdragon 2nd generation
Specifications:
Scorpion 800 MHz CPU (can be safely overclocked to 1GHz = Recommanded Maximum )
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
So Desire Z have:
CPU on 800MHz .. but not problem go to 1GHz = Same as Desire HD
GPU 2 x better then Desire HD GPU = +1 to Desire Z
45nm technology - Desire HD have 65nm technology = +1 to Desire Z
So in SoC category is Desire Z better then Desire HD.
Regards, MiTMaN
PS: Repair me please when Im wrong.
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I posted a reply on this yesterday evening, but I guess it went lost in the downtime. I made a nice quote with information, but now I'm too lazy to do it again.
You are making the mistake of thinking the DHD has a first generation snapdragon (the QSD8255, wich doesn't excist, actually it's the QSD8250). This is not true, it has the second generation Scorpion (MSM8255) as well as the Desire Z has. Only difference is speed it's running on.
So basically, the Desire HD is (on paper) faster then the Desire Z. The question ofcourse is how the extra 200 MHz wil turn out in extra performance.

Found Quadrant scores on Desire HD and Desire Z on smartphonebenchmarks.com
Desire HD Quadrant score 1974
Desire Z(HTC G2/Desire Z) Quadrant score 1499

CeasarRAPH100 said:
Found Quadrant scores on Desire HD and Desire Z on smartphonebenchmarks.com
Desire HD Quadrant score 1974
Desire Z(HTC G2/Desire Z) Quadrant score 1499
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and what does this number say?
I see the oc'd Desire gets around 1880 and a custom rom galaxy S gets 2250
but does that mean it's fast?

I think I read about 8255 that it has more L2 cache than 7xxx series ... but any ways both are A8 Gen so I just wait for A9 tegra
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mrvanx said:
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
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That wikipedia link is not correct: it puts the Desire HD & Z in the 1st gen row.
This is the correct link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor) (dunno why it does that )
It does show that they both use the Adreno 205 GPU, which makes them nearly as fast (but not faster) as the Galaxy S GPU (Adreno 205 => expected 3x the speed of Adreno 200/N1/Desire).

Guys,
Actually i agree with mrvanx. A game running 3D needs acceleration engines for OpenGL. Here the Desire HD is not high performance GPU, but desire Z is
"High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration"
Its pretty upset tho, prefer a touch screen 4.3" to play ps1 + android! sigh..

The Desire HD should be the quicker device, but the Desire Z is the sexier device, and is definatly the one im spending my hard earned on.

DHD will be faster than the "Z" because of 200mhz more + 256mb more for multitasking, The "Z" will be more off a battery efficient device, with a little bigger battery, smaller screen + slower processor. i'm waiting for the reviews on both devices to make a decision, can't make up my mind!!

Mafiatounes said:
DHD will be faster than the "Z" because of 200mhz more + 256mb more for multitasking, The "Z" will be more off a battery efficient device, with a little bigger battery, smaller screen + slower processor. i'm waiting for the reviews on both devices to make a decision, can't make up my mind!!
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I think the thing that really decides for people, is the screen and the keyboard... If you want a bigger screen, then you go for the desire hd. If you want the keyboard, then the desire z... If you want both, then tough luck... hehe. But, I personally am going for the z, because I need the keyboard... And, after being used to the touch pro 2, I think that I will be pleased with the z anyway hehe

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The touch2 WHAT!!!!

Htc announced that the htc Mega will be called the touch2.
http://pocketnow.com/news-archive/htc-touch2-first-windows-phone-with-wm65-coming-oct-6
so it is the touchpro 2 or the leo ....i dont want a keyboarddd D:
magicalan said:
so it is the touchpro 2 or the leo ....i dont want a keyboarddd D:
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no it is the ''touch 2''
Model HTC Touch2 (T3333)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7225™, 528 MHz
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6.5 Professional
Memory ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
Dimensions (LxWxT) 104 X 55 X 12.9 mm (4.1 X 2.16 X 0.51 inches)
Weight 110 grams (4 ounces) with battery
Display 2.8-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with QVGA resolution
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
•Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
•Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
Device Control Zoom bar
GPS Internal GPS antenna
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.1 with Enhanced Data Rate and A2DP for wireless stereo headsets
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
3.5 mm audio jack
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB 2.0)
Camera 3.2 megapixel color camera with fixed focus
Audio supported formats AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR-NB, QCP, MP3, WMA, WAV, MIDI, M4A
Video supported formats WMV, ASF, MP4, 3GP, 3G2, M4V, AVI
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion battery
Capacity: 1100 mAh
Talk time:
•Up to 370 minutes for WCDMA
•Up to 440 minutes for GSM
Standby time:
•Up to 500 hours for WCDMA
•Up to 370 hours for GSM
im not impressed at all. no vga screen and same old processor that all htc's on the market now have.
soccerman821 said:
im not impressed at all. no vga screen and same old processor that all htc's on the market now have.
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i kno, me either i definately wouldnt buy one
i wanted the touch pro 2 really bad till i found out its basically the same as everything else already out. I just wish they would step up their processors.. im buying a sprint touch pro off ebay for round 150$ just to tie me over until then. I love my vogue specially with android but i need a something new.
well im gonna put off buying the pre or hero, ill buy this baby! still shocked about the qvga screen size!
when will this come to sprint?
soccerman821 said:
im not impressed at all. no vga screen and same old processor that all htc's on the market now have.
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Well what do you expect from a low-end phone? It fits a niche below the Diamond 2 and Pro 2.
mattcoz said:
Well what do you expect from a low-end phone? It fits a niche below the Diamond 2 and Pro 2.
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i wouldn't call it a low end phone. most of us still use the vogue and it's still a great phone, not slow at all.
touch2
fixxxer2008 said:
i wouldn't call it a low end phone. most of us still use the vogue and it's still a great phone, not slow at all.
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This would be considered a low end phone. With the leo coming out and other phones using snapdragon processors. I think we are going to see the last of the 528mhz qualcomm chips!
so it is tha mega? righton.. thats what i thought...
I think it looks Sick! and would definately buy one str8up!
PS: i like tha touch2 lable better then Mega! Wasnt No Mega IMO
touch2
fixxxer2008 said:
well im gonna put off buying the pre or hero, ill buy this baby! still shocked about the qvga screen size!
when will this come to sprint?
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I think it could.
Its labeled with the sprint name so i would say it has a good shot.
But we did see the touch pro 2 come out on t-mobile and there was no touch pro.
atx1980 said:
I think it could.
Its labeled with the sprint name so i would say it has a good shot.
But we did see the touch pro 2 come out on t-mobile and there was no touch pro.
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Oh no! Black magic, this doesn't exist--> http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro/overview.html
slow88lx said:
Oh no! Black magic, this doesn't exist--> http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro/overview.html
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I'm pretty sure he was saying there wasn't a Touch Pro on T-Mobile, but they are carrying the Touch Pro 2
jamezelle said:
no it is the ''touch 2''
Model HTC Touch2 (T3333)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7225™, 528 MHz
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6.5 Professional
Memory ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
Dimensions (LxWxT) 104 X 55 X 12.9 mm (4.1 X 2.16 X 0.51 inches)
Weight 110 grams (4 ounces) with battery
Display 2.8-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with QVGA resolution
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
•Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
•Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
Device Control Zoom bar
GPS Internal GPS antenna
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.1 with Enhanced Data Rate and A2DP for wireless stereo headsets
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
3.5 mm audio jack
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB 2.0)
Camera 3.2 megapixel color camera with fixed focus
Audio supported formats AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR-NB, QCP, MP3, WMA, WAV, MIDI, M4A
Video supported formats WMV, ASF, MP4, 3GP, 3G2, M4V, AVI
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion battery
Capacity: 1100 mAh
Talk time:
•Up to 370 minutes for WCDMA
•Up to 440 minutes for GSM
Standby time:
•Up to 500 hours for WCDMA
•Up to 370 hours for GSM
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Did I see "MSM 7225"..Does that mean this new touch will be able to run the current android port?

[NEWS] From Qualcomm IMPRESSIVE

imagine our HD2 with this CPU, The latest news from: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/snapdragon.html
We Have:
Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
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1 GHz CPU
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600MHz DSP
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Integrated 3G mobile broadband
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Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
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Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
*
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
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High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
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High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
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12-megapixel camera support
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Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
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Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
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Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
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Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
if u think thats impressive, check this out:
Technical Features for QSD8672 chipsets
The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:
* Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing
* Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
* Higher-resolution WSXGA (1440 x 900) display support
* High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback
* Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads
* Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks
* Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec
OMG Looks like a SMARTPHONE is gona become faster than a netbook, (Atom has 1.6Ghz dual core)
i think its impressive.
thanx Qualcomm!!!
Source: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/snapdragon.html
they need to sort out battery life for single core chips before they start on dual core
blackpenny15 said:
they need to sort out battery life for single core chips before they start on dual core
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They write on the website that they have one day batterylife on 3G, well... that depends on how u define a day, its not gona last 24 hours, but ur not gona be 24 hours on 3G, i thing they mean a working day, and here in Germany its 8 Hours, well... if u really dont do nothing but 3G, and u have some "work breaks" u may be lucky and it lasts a working day...
it depends on the point of view
Tegra 2 and the new IMG PowerVR are going to be much faster than dual snapdragons @ 1.5ghz.
If you think that's impressive, you should wait until 2012 where they'll release a 2ghz dual core using 32nm chip technology. Yup, I'd suggest skipping this generation and the next generation of slow snapdragons altogether and wait until the 2ghz to come out!!
True true, bit rubbish really though, I guess we all expect to beable to get emails, calls and messages all day, 8am till 11pm ish, i can live with charging my phone once a day i'm used to it on th 3gs, maybe someone needs to come up with better batteries insted of smaller faster cpu's lol
blackpenny15 said:
True true, bit rubbish really though, I guess we all expect to beable to get emails, calls and messages all day, 8am till 11pm ish, i can live with charging my phone once a day i'm used to it on th 3gs, maybe someone needs to come up with better batteries insted of smaller faster cpu's lol
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bingo. All these fast processors are useless if battery technology is lagging behind.
I read some where, sorry dont remember where, that a university somewhere developed a battery that could be fully recharged in a matter of seconds.
If you could fully recharge your battery in a few moments, surely it wouldnt matter as much that the battery only lasted a day. a short car journey would result in a full charge set for another day. i think i would be satisfied with that for most conditions.
The dual-core Snapdragon won't be used in phones, it's intended for netbook type devices.
U forgot the Qualcomm's QSD8650A Snapdragon 1.3 GHz
It is suppose to be 30% faster AND consumes 30% less power than the 1 ghz version.
The higher clock speed is not only the improvement, the new chipset also packed with 2D graphics accelerator and an improved 3D graphics core that supports WXGA (1280 x 720 pixels) resolution displays and Adobe Flash, GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.1, mobile TV (DVB-H, MediaFLO, ISDB-T) and high-def video recording/playback.
blackpenny15 said:
they need to sort out battery life for single core chips before they start on dual core
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batteries will be a thing of the past soon, our devices will be fitted with rodin coils ;o)
What the heck is the point of the thread? The page copied and linked has been up for more than a year! There's nothing new. The Dual Core SnapDragon was announced last year at MWC.
True.
The "big news" is just that a few release dates have been revealed: http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21837
lude219 said:
If you think that's impressive, you should wait until 2012 where they'll release a 2ghz dual core using 32nm chip technology. Yup, I'd suggest skipping this generation and the next generation of slow snapdragons altogether and wait until the 2ghz to come out!!
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no wait, u should wait till 2014 3ghz quad core..!! dont get a phone till then.!!!!
there will always be something better around the corner. geez, the next iphone will be running dual core and thats out in june..!!

HTC Touch2 on Amazon.co.uk ?

Hi Guys,
I'm looking at the touch2 and looking at the specs and it say:
# 2.8-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with QVGA resolution
# 3.2 megapixel color camera with fixed focus
# TouchFLO 3D
# HSDPA/WCDMA/Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE
Model HTC Touch2 (T3333)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7225™, 528 MHz
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6.5 Professional
Memory ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
Dimensions (LxWxT) 104 X 55 X 12.9 mm (4.1 X 2.16 X 0.51 inches)
Weight 110 grams (4 ounces) with battery
Display 2.8-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with QVGA resolution
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
Device Control Zoom bar
GPS Internal GPS antenna
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.1 with Enhanced Data Rate and A2DP for wireless stereo headsets
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
3.5 mm audio jack
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB 2.0)
Camera 3.2 megapixel color camera with fixed focus
Audio supported formats AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR-NB, QCP, MP3, WMA, WAV, MIDI, M4A
Video supported formats WMV, ASF, MP4, 3GP, 3G2, M4V, AVI
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion battery
Capacity: 1100 mAh
Talk time:
Up to 370 minutes for WCDMA
Up to 440 minutes for GSM
Standby time:
Up to 500 hours for WCDMA
Up to 370 hours for GSM
(The above are subject to network and phone usage.)
Expansion Slot microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible)
AC Adapter Voltage range/frequency: 100 ~ 240V AC, 50/60 Hz
DC output: 5V and 1A
Is this all true,
Becuase i've hear that the touch2 has only 2D and not 3D
you´re right,no 3D
Damn....
But i guess i can live with 2D...
But Amazon is wrong and VERY misleading, Although i'm still gonna get the Mega, Becuse of;
2D,
6.5 Pro stock rom
3.5 Audio Jack
Big screen !
Just need to perswade ma partents for the money =]

[DISCUSSION] Desire Z with 800MHz = No upgrade to Android 3.0 (gingerbread) !?!?

I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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gtrab said:
I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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For one you are in America right? So you can't get the Desire Z anyway, you can get the G2 though.
And secondly, this crap about Gingerbread requiring a 1Ghz processor to run was a rumour that Google debunked ages ago so please just get over it and wait like the rest of us to find out what exactly is happening with Gingerbread.
And in anycase the D2 World Edition is almost identical to the Desire Z/G2 anyway. HTC have the new CPU and GPU on these where as the D2 has the new CPU and same old GPU as the original so really they seem on par if this was your case for choosing that so you 'will definitely get Gingerbread'
gtrab said:
I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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Besides, The Moto Droid 1 for example can OC to 1.2GHz the G2 should be fine
StuRoid said:
For one you are in America right? So you can't get the Desire Z anyway, you can get the G2 though.
And secondly, this crap about Gingerbread requiring a 1Ghz processor to run was a rumour that Google debunked ages ago so please just get over it and wait like the rest of us to find out what exactly is happening with Gingerbread.
And in anycase the D2 World Edition is almost identical to the Desire Z/G2 anyway. HTC have the new CPU and GPU on these where as the D2 has the new CPU and same old GPU as the original so really they seem on par if this was your case for choosing that so you 'will definitely get Gingerbread'
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I find your response very emotional, hey I obviously prefer an HTC device over a Moto one, but the upgradeability is very important for me. I need facts.
Regarding the american bands, pdadb says there's an US version Desire Z scheduled for december
If those google requirements have been 'debunked', I'd appreciate if you can share some links/quotations from trusted sources
gtrab said:
I find your response very emotional, hey I obviously prefer an HTC device over a Moto one, but the upgradeability is very important for me. I need facts.
Regarding the american bands, pdadb says there's an US version Desire Z scheduled for december
If those google requirements have been 'debunked', I'd appreciate if you can share some links/quotations from trusted sources
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I'm guessing the reason he seems "Emotional" is because this same post keeps popping up again and again on every forum, and it seems people will keep churning them out with no end in sight. The rumor is based on a tweet. There are tons of articles about this. (I haven't posted allot to this forum so can't actually post links, but just google for it.)
If you want to see the original statements by googles team you can search twitter for it. We have no reason to assume Desire Z wouldn't get a 3.0 update, if devices like Desire would. And at any rate, the Qualcomm 7230 (Which is the chip in use) is designed to run between 800 and 1000mhz.
The guys designing these devices aren't stupid. They wouldn't release a device (indeed a premier device) if it's going to go obsolete or at least behind within 6 months. Yes, droid devices are constantly moving forward but certainly not that fast. Just don't worry about this kinda stuff.
Thth are recommend specs the g2 will be plenty fast enough
Sent from my HTC Super Hero using XDA App which doesn't have the word iPhone in its vocabulary, and I wish I didn't either all on my custom baked Rom
The 800Mhz proc from the Desire Z is a Dual-Core processor, so, it's better than the 1Ghz proc from my good old HTC Desire ! I think it has the requirements for Gingerbread !
PS: Andy 3.0 isn't GingerBread
alex83fr said:
The 800Mhz proc from the Desire Z is a Dual-Core processor, so, it's better than the 1Ghz proc from my good old HTC Desire
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dual proccesor not dual-core. dual as in the cpu and gpu are separate.
mtl171 said:
dual proccesor not dual-core. dual as in the cpu and gpu are separate.
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Interresting.. Qustion is, if this 'slower' dual cpu, then will be faster, than the single CPU, with intergrated graphics, but higher mhz?
Da9L said:
Interresting.. Qustion is, if this 'slower' dual cpu, then will be faster, than the single CPU, with intergrated graphics, but higher mhz?
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Of course it will.. But mostly it will depend on operation. You can never compare a first 1 generation cpu with later generation by just looking at cpu frequency.
Any link to that supposedly "debunked" minimum hardware reqs ??
I'm lookinig for some confidence on this matter.
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is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
I need something that i can use when i go to the UK as well, so like Droid X and all that stuff doesnt work for me.
I like this new HTC but everyone talking about 1ghz and dual processors and how its gonna be slow and no front facing cam blah blah blah makes me think twice, or three times even.
Frankly I think the front-facing camera thing is a bit of a white elephant at the moment. I've had one on my phone for about three years now (Win Mo) and I've never used it once. OK that may change as networks get faster, but I see no real need for one now.
Andre
johseph said:
is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
I need something that i can use when i go to the UK as well, so like Droid X and all that stuff doesnt work for me.
I like this new HTC but everyone talking about 1ghz and dual processors and how its gonna be slow and no front facing cam blah blah blah makes me think twice, or three times even.
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There's that Verizon phone that's been floating around recently that had the fire red keyboard. if I'm not mistaken from one of the pics it's a dual mode and has a sim slot though to be honest you will likely pay a huge premium using that or any other phone like t outside the states.
Think it's either a 3.8" or 4" screen.
johseph said:
is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
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I am looking to jump from Symbian to Android but am stuck due to the hardware. You might like to consider the Nokia E7 but it's anyone's guess as to when it might actually see the light of day. As an example, the N8 announced six months ago has still not gone on sale yet!
Symbian is functional but I'm afraid that's about all I can say about it from a user perspective. It doesn't have the developer support of the likes of Android and iOS. The point in its favour is the hardware is generally better - better cameras better audio and often better build quality.
Swings and roundabouts I'm afraid ... always the case!
Desire Z using second generation of Qualcomms Snapdragon, as i write in other post, read this:
My opinion : Desire Z is faster .. and do you know why?
So..
Desire HD using Qualcomm QSD8255 -> it is Snapdragon 1st generation
specifications:
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
QSD8650 supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Low-power 65nm process technology
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
GPU - 3D graphics with up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in seventh-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
Bud Desire Z using Qualcomm MSM7230 -> Snapdragon 2nd generation
Specifications:
Scorpion 800 MHz CPU (can be safely overclocked to 1GHz = Recommanded Maximum )
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
So Desire Z have:
CPU on 800MHz .. but not problem go to 1GHz = Same as Desire HD
GPU 2 x better then Desire HD GPU = +1 to Desire Z
45nm technology - Desire HD have 65nm technology = +1 to Desire Z
So in SoC category is Desire Z better then Desire HD.
Regards, MiTMaN
PS: Repair me please when Im wrong.
nice contrib MiTMaNeK
that GPU thing is particularily interesting
thanks for sharing
Here's the Doird2/Milestone2's 1GHz OMAP 3620 specs
source
-Clock 1000 MHz
-45 nm
-ARM Cortex A8
-IVA 2+ harware accelerator (up to 4x multimedia performance vs previous OMAPs), Multi-standard (MPEG-4, H.264) encode/decode and WMV9 decode at D1 (720 x 480 pixels) at 30 fps - Up to 720p HD res
- PowerVR SGX 530 graphics core (from Imagination Technologies) dedicated 2D/3D graphics hardware accelerator - Support for OpenGL ES 1.1, Open GL ES 2.0, OpenVG
- Image signal processor supporting up to 12 megapixel
- Composite and S-video TV output
- up to WXGA (1280 x 800), 16-million color (24-bit definition) display support
- Linux, Microsoft Windows Mobile, Android Mobile Platform and Symbian
I couldn't find triangles/sec stuff for this one
Note also that this new GPU/CPU combo chip is different to the Snapdragon found in earlier HTC Androids. It is likely that 800MHz on this new chip bears similar performance to 1GHz on another chip.
This is very similar to comparing Intel and AMD CPUs on the desktop. Because different processor designs have varying Instructions-Per-Clock, you can't make a simple comparison between clock frequencies.
The other thing to note is that a major complaint with smart phones (and Android in particular) is terrible battery life when comparing them to feature phones. I'd be happy with a lower maximum clock if it meant longer times between charges.
i think Desire HD using 2nd Generation Snapdragon 1GHz processor which is call Qualcomm QSD825 Scorpion.
So, the Desire HD will should have better performance than Desire Z.
But Desire Z should have better performance than Desire(1st generation snapdragon).
You may check the CPU details at Qualcomm website.

Galaxy A7 60fps or 120fps 1080p

I've already figured out how to get 4k on the A7 2017 and 60 or 120fps while recording 1080p should be possible with the specs the A7 has but I have not found a way to record at that fps.
Any help?
A7 2017 Exynos 7880 chip specs
CPU – Octa-Core ARM Cortex-A53 processor @ up to 1.9GHz
GPU – ARM Mali-T830 MP3
Memory – LPDDR4
Storage – eMMC5.1, UFS 2.0, SD Card
Display – Up to WQHD (1,440×2,560)
LTE Modem – LTE Category 7; 3CA (Downlink) up to 300 Mbps, 2CA(Uplink) up to 100 Mbps, FDD-TDD Joint CA
GNSS – GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou
Camera – Rear up to 21.7MP, Front up to 21.7MP
Video – UHD 30fps (FHD 120fps) recording and playback with HEVC (H.265), H.264 / playback with VP9
Process – 14nm FinFET Process

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