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Didn't realize there was a difference between the Australian and Asian version of HD.

I was looking into buying a new HD. Obviously I like the idea of 3G but it's simply not going to happen.
When I was reading, apparently the Austrailian version has the necc. frequencies.
So, I started looking at the Aussie version and found out that not only does it have 192 of ram compared to 512 of the Euro version, it also has only 4'ish hours of talktime compared to 6 hours of the Euro.
Guess I'm going to deal with having Edge.
Mark

Go to pdadb.net for hd spec http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469
192mb -- user accessible ram
288mb-- total ram
512-- rom (storage memory 2xx avaiable to user)
talktime-- depends on what network you use gsm(standart) or 3g (hispeed)

orangecrush said:
I was looking into buying a new HD. Obviously I like the idea of 3G but it's simply not going to happen.
When I was reading, apparently the Austrailian version has the necc. frequencies.
So, I started looking at the Aussie version and found out that not only does it have 192 of ram compared to 512 of the Euro version, it also has only 4'ish hours of talktime compared to 6 hours of the Euro.
Guess I'm going to deal with having Edge.
Mark
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There is no "Australian version". As far as HTC is concerned, they did not even have any intention to sell it in Australia, according to someone I contacted. Later, for some reason, Telstra is selling it although Telstra is the only guy in town having 850 3G network which HD does not even support. How strange is that? May be Telstra has signed an exclusive deal to prevent the other carrier from selling it???
All the so-called Australian sellers are brining in stock from Hong Kong and China.

I just did a speedtest at
www.ozspeedtest.com
I have Virgin 3G
With Opera 9.5beta
iinet mirror Melb From Syd
600kb file
and got
time 7.06
linespeed 692kbps
download 86 kbps

Not doubting what you're saying but here's a quote from an Aussie vendor.
Product Specifications
HTC Touch 3G
• Size: 102 x 53.6 x 14.5 mm
• Weight: 96g
• Connectivity: GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz & WCDMA / HSPA: 900/2100MHz. HSDPA 7.2 Mbps
• HSDPA 7.2 Mbps
• Software/Operating system: HTC TouchFLO with Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional
• Display: 2.8 inch QVGA screen
• Camera: 3.2 megapixel
• Internal memory: 256 MB flash; 192 MB RAM
• Memory card: microSD™
• Bluetooth®: 2.0 with EDR
• GPS: GPS/AGPS
• Interface: HTC ExtUSB™ (mini-USB and audio jack in one; USB 2.0 High-Speed)
• Battery: 1100 mAh
• Talk time: WCDMA: Up to 360 minutes*** / GSM: Up to 400 minutes***
• Standby time: WCDMA: Up to 450 hours*** / GSM: Up to 365 hours***
• Chipset: Qualcomm® MSM7225™ 528 MHz
Just curious why this is different from all the other ones I've read about.
eaglesteve said:
There is no "Australian version". As far as HTC is concerned, they did not even have any intention to sell it in Australia, according to someone I contacted. Later, for some reason, Telstra is selling it although Telstra is the only guy in town having 850 3G network which HD does not even support. How strange is that? May be Telstra has signed an exclusive deal to prevent the other carrier from selling it???
All the so-called Australian sellers are brining in stock from Hong Kong and China.
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orangecrush said:
Not doubting what you're saying but here's a quote from an Aussie vendor.
Product Specifications
HTC Touch 3G
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Just curious why this is different from all the other ones I've read about.
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The Touch 3G is very different from the Touch HD

eaglesteve said:
There is no "Australian version". As far as HTC is concerned, they did not even have any intention to sell it in Australia, according to someone I contacted. Later, for some reason, Telstra is selling it although Telstra is the only guy in town having 850 3G network which HD does not even support.
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Bahahaha! You better tell that to my blackstone here infront of me running on Telstras 850Mhz NextG network.
It must be a bad blackstone supporting frequencies it's not meant to! Bad Blackstone!
Although...it does say on the box 850/2100HSDPA with 512MB Rom and 288MB Ram. It's also the T8285 unlike the original Blackstone the T8282.
Maybe I just picked up a freak of the litter? Or maybe they do have an Australian version

Moony1987 said:
Bahahaha! You better tell that to my blackstone here infront of me running on Telstras 850Mhz NextG network.
It must be a bad blackstone supporting frequencies it's not meant to! Bad Blackstone!
Although...it does say on the box 850/2100HSDPA with 512MB Rom and 288MB Ram. It's also the T8285 unlike the original Blackstone the T8282.
Maybe I just picked up a freak of the litter? Or maybe they do have an Australian version
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Well, if what you say is true, then it means that our friends in US would have 3G since many of them are on 850 HSDPA. It would be one of the best kept secrets on Blackstone.

eaglesteve said:
Well, if what you say is true, then it means that our friends in US would have 3G since many of them are on 850 HSDPA.
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Well it's true
It would be one of the best kept secrets on Blackstone.
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Not really. There are atleast two threads on this very forum regarding the Telstra version of the Blackstone.

Moony1987 said:
Well it's true
Not really. There are atleast two threads on this very forum regarding the Telstra version of the Blackstone.
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Really? I have missed reading them. Thanks for the info.

eaglesteve said:
Really? I have missed reading them. Thanks for the info.
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No worries. I was annoyed when the Blackstone was first announced with Euro 3G bands, and not 850Mhz because I wanted on on NextG! Now that's happened, I'm stoked!.

Moony1987 said:
No worries. I was annoyed when the Blackstone was first announced with Euro 3G bands, and not 850Mhz because I wanted on on NextG! Now that's happened, I'm stoked!.
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This sounds like good news for the US customers.
BTW what download speed are you getting from the NEXT G network?

According to
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Versions
the model number is different and the radio and rom are different too

k6076199 said:
According to
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Versions
the model number is different and the radio and rom are different too
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Whoever put the info for the radio has stuffed up. They've put the Rom version info in as the Radio version.
I can assure you that the Telstra Touch HD comes with radio 1. 10. 25. 25 / 52. 57. 25. 30U exactly the same as the latest one in the Euro versions of the Touch HD.

Okay. That was odd.
I just reinstalled the Telstra Rom Upgrade, and after rebooting the red numbers said the radio was 1.10.25.25/52.57.25.30H (H instead of a U). Now after the customisations installed and the phone rebooted it's showing the normal 1.10.25.25/52.57.25.30U (U instead of a H).

More than one model of the g2?

I've looked around at pictures of the g2, and some of them are not the same. I've also read a little bit that different carriers offer different amounts of ram. Perhaps someone can tell me if I'm reading wrong, or if there're really multiple versions of the g2. Aside from that, if there is more than one version, which one is the best?
Caid.
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Its because there is no G2. There are multiple android Devices... But a search for G2 pulls you up a bunch of rumors and nothing legit. If on TMO there is the G1 and soon will be the Mytouch this is not the G2 as everyone calls it.

As noted there is not G2, but there are two differently speced HTC Magics
HTC - Products - HTC Magic - Specification
And the one that TMobile is/will be selling

and Rodgers (RAM: 288 MB, HSDPA/UMTS dual-band (850 and 1900MHZ )
and ION (RAM: 196Mb, 1700mhz/2100mhz (WCDMA))

it seems I'm getting the gsm/gprs version. Does this mean it's the 288 version?
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sharky34 said:
and Rodgers (RAM: 288 MB, HSDPA/UMTS dual-band (850 and 1900MHZ )
and ION (RAM: 196Mb, 1700mhz/2100mhz (WCDMA))
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I have a Google ION and I have 288MB of RAM, not the 196 as you have quoted.

bex said:
I have a Google ION and I have 288MB of RAM, not the 196 as you have quoted.
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can you print out the output of "cat /proc/meminfo" from adb shell please.
If you are using useful switchers to get that info, thats showing the size of the flash not RAM.

bex said:
I have a Google ION and I have 288MB of RAM, not the 196 as you have quoted.
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No you do not have 288MB of RAM in your Google Ion.
I have a Google Ion as well and it only has 192MB of RAM (98908 kB after boot).
What you are seeing when checking SD card & phone storage is the ROM.

Ok guys, I stand corrected...Android / Linux thing is new to me, and sort of confusing.
Thanks for the clarification and leads to a question, how do I get to issue these commands ADB PUSH many more have been used on this forum, to my ION from a mac?

As easy as I can explain.
There are HTC branded versions such as the Rogers, Nordic, TIM, etc
There are Google branded versions like Vodafone.
Also thanks for pointing out that there is no such thing as a G2. There is the Google Ion and the HTC Magic and the Tmobile MyTouch 3G is just a rebranded Google Ion.
To answer your question, you use boot camp to shrink your HFS+ partition and create say 32gb free for Ubuntu and then google how to install Ubuntu on your mac. It works on any Intel Mac including unibody like mine.

I have one from Proximus (my employer), an operator from Belgium and partner of Vodafone.... the magic is fully "googled" but also has 288 RAM, exchange support and quickoffice on it...
Back of the cover has the "htc" logo instead of the "google" logo
cheers
B

32a (288mb) model with 1700/2100 hsdpa (T-mobile 3g) bands?

I've decided to take the leap from win mo to android and want to purchase the Magic as my frist android device, however I'd like some help choosing which model i want, as there a few variants..
first of all i'm on a small wireless carrier which uses t-mobiles 3g bands (1700/2100) but i would like to buy a 32a model for the extra ram..however, after some searching the models that ive seen and should be 32a ones, only have the 900/2100 hsdpa bands..
So my question is, is there a 32a variant of the Magic that also has the 1700/2100mhz hspda bands?

No one knows where or if it is even reasonably obtainable?
I cant seem to find anything and doubting if it even exists...

There is a limited edition one coming up soon with a 3.5mm headphone jack.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574274

Actually you could get yourself an htc ion, the one that was given away at the Google IO conference. Its htc branded so it has the 288 ram, this is what me and a friend did and its a noticeable difference. Now when we load custom roms its a lot snappier. Your best bet would be to look on ebay.

defiantbeast said:
Actually you could get yourself an htc ion, the one that was given away at the Google IO conference. Its htc branded so it has the 288 ram, this is what me and a friend did and its a noticeable difference. Now when we load custom roms its a lot snappier. Your best bet would be to look on ebay.
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We all wish. Ions don't have 288 ram, they have 192 just like the MT3Gs. I have an Ion, they're all 192. Do some searching and you'll find confirmation and ways to check your own phone through adb.

defiantbeast said:
Actually you could get yourself an htc ion, the one that was given away at the Google IO conference. Its htc branded so it has the 288 ram, this is what me and a friend did and its a noticeable difference. Now when we load custom roms its a lot snappier. Your best bet would be to look on ebay.
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Google Ion is unfortunately hardware-identical to the MyTouch 3G. I'm pretty confident that there aren't any 32a models that support T-Mobile 3G. I wish it were easier to mix-and-match features, but unfortunately we're stuck with the models that they decided to make and there's too many variables for all combinations to be made.

[CLOSED/DZ] Discussion about a 3G 850/1900 MHz version

Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
Q:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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gtrab said:
Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
Q:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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A1: No, the Desire Z is a Europe and Asia only phone. The G2 is the American version and is for T-Mobile. And I highly doubt that they will be making a Desire Z version for the states like they did with Cellular South which came about 6 months after the initial European launch.
A2: Haha, HTC are not 'always avoiding' those bands when launching, it comes down to your carriers over in the states always demanding exclusivity for devices so that's why they are not coming out with those bands.
My tip, move to Europe where the carrier doesn't dictate what phones you can get

So I haven't ran across much talk on the cellular south desire. I'm thinking about a upgrade next month from my hero. Just wondering is it worth it?
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

I read recently (probably on the Whirlpool forums) that the Desire HD has been picked up by Vodafone and Three, and that we might be able to infer that the Desire Z will go to Telstra and Optus.
During a support call with Telstra (regarding their stubborn refusal to start offering OTA updates, or even acknowledge that it's both technically feasible and being used overseas), I asked them about the Desire Z and all they would say is that they don't have a department that responds to questions about future devices. /shrug
Guess we'll find out when everyone else does.

I too have been waiting impatiently for HTC's next NAM 3G qwerty, I'm still holding on with my HTC Dream lol
This is the only lead we have so far on a HTC Desire Z with NAM 3G:
Not much to go by but it's a bit of hope.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/09/18/htc-desire-z-leather-case-pops-up-in-best-buy-canada-inventory/
HTC said it will be arriving in "North America" later this year, whatever that means, we can only speculate, but it would make sense if they made a 850/1900 3G version would it with one of Canada's big 3 (Bell, Telus, Rogers - all operating on 3G 850/1900)?

gtrab said:
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
Q:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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Nearly every phone? I'm sorry, under which rock in America have you just emerged from? The MT Slide isn't even released outside of America. The Hero is 3 different flavours depending on your carrier. You have the HTC Evo which is the version before the Desire HD with extremely similar specs, the Droid incredible that can only be had through Verizon and now the Desire plus the G2 which is the T-Mobile version of the Desire Z not to mention America had exclusive rights to the Nexus One for months.
It wouldn't make much financial sense for HTC to make a NextG specific version just for Telstra because the market isn't big enough here. An American carrier (AT&T) would have to pick it up as well but then they are going to insist on exclusive rights and blah blah blah and at the end of it it would just end up with Bing or Yahoo on it anyway.
Avoiding bands..... um look at my first response, oh and the Legend is making its way to America as well.

Let me disagree
Your statement is valid for USA only, not for America
Those phones you mention are T-Mobile or Verizon only
Those are USA operators running over very particular bands (1700 MHz and CDMA)
The UMTS (WCDMA) 850/1900 MHz bands are what I am talking about
These bands are widely used from canada to central/south america and the caribbean, plus australia
You will rarely see a 3G-quadband (or at least 3G 850/1900MHz) new phone coming out from HTC, no, they all come with 3G 900/2100
Then, some months after, they *may* release an american/australian version of *that* new phone
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I didn't realise this, but we have a new iPhone4 in the office for testing, and the version sold here in Australia has support for all the 3G bands used here. That means this single device can have a Telstra NextG SIM, and then be swapped for an Optus SIM and still get full 3G speeds.
Makes me wish Android manufacturers would go the extra mile and make more devices like this. It definitely makes life easy for the consumer, although does strip carriers of some of their lock-in powers (so I can see why they wouldn't like it).

gtrab said:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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You probably know already, but...:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2597&view=1&c=htc_desire_z_us_htc_vision

Thanks, yeah, pdadb is my primary source
Lets hope to see some news from att, rogers, telus, telstra or HTC themselves soon
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[Q] HSPA+ in Ireland working on any network?

Best speeds I'm getting on O2 is 3.64Mbits.
Sent from Desire Z

Back a few months ago I think I read a silicon republic article that 3 and meteor HSDA+ in place in an article why LTE will not arrive for a number of years. Then I could have been drunk at the time

I've bought 3 broadband-only SIM for 5 euro, will do SpedTest.net to find out.
As far as I know HSPA+ in Desire Z should allow max of 25 Mbits as long as network supports it. So that might be enough until they upgrade to LTE.
HTC LTE phone is to be announced in January I think.
Sent from Desire Z

schriss said:
I've bought 3 broadband-only SIM for 5 euro, will do SpedTest.net to find out.
As far as I know HSPA+ in Desire Z should allow max of 25 Mbits as long as network supports it.
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According to the HTC spec at http://www.htc.com/uk/product/desirez/specification.html the DZ supports up to 14.4 Mbit.

Yes, possible, I couldn't remember exact number.
It should be around 10Mbits according to some tests done on G2 in US, but will depend on network.
Sent from Desire Z