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Xperia X12 Arc vs. Desire HD

The new SE Xperia Arc looks good.
Opinions on which one you would choose...

Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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i got rid of my SEx10 for my DHD, now the wait for the 2.1 upgrade for my X10 was well worth it but , i think im going to stick to my DHD for the time being as the ARC would be good should you want an upgrade

Sony means good hardware and horrible software support. By the time Gingerbread was releasing they were finally getting around to updating the X10 to Eclair.
If you are ok with being stuck with the same software version for the next two years I'd say go Sony.
Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD.

The Arc looks like a great handset but Sony (along with Samsung and LG in my experience) seem to have a history of failing to support their phones as soon as new ones come out... so personally I'd rule it out because of that.
Still, who needs manufacturer support when we have XDA

I had to get rid of my X10 too, i would not recommend getting an SE phone, at least not at launch.
The x10 was a joke. (Although still the best looking phone ive seen to date)

i have to be honest the Arc was tempting me. It looks absolutely awesome, it has HDMI out which i really wish the DHD could have, and it has this really hyped up camera technology which is great for low light photos i hear (SE cameras are great in general). Also people are praising the screen which is using bravia technology.
But alas, sony's really poor support with software, and thir god aweful ui on their phones is keeping me from getting one. I hear the X10 still doesnt have custom roms on it yet. that's another major drawback for it imo.
I'll be sticking with HTC for now.

Having only just got rid of the x10, i feel sony was a really big let down....custom roms are only just turning up, unlocking the bootloader looks to be very long way away. and the kernel which at this mo can still not be flashed and is holding what could of been a great phone back.Not many Devs working on the handset so it will take longer.
Sony are ment to have good cameras but the x10 was ok ish..

SunjinSak said:
Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I mean don't get me wrong the X12 looks amzing and feature packed but after what happened to the X10 I don't think I can trust SE again with software updates.
There have been a lot of cool phones been announced at CES but tbh no other manufacturer has made a phone that I personally would want to buy, i'm stuck on HTC! I am really happy with the desire HD!

The main reason for xda exsisted was HTC phones, no other phones gets as much support dev wise, that why I always buy HTC, of course they great hardware and experience. Samsung come a close 2nd these days.
But Sony Arc and even LG Star might look like great phones but with no community support, they are dead in my eyes.
The only other phone I'd consider which isn't HTC or Sammy would be Atrix the new moto phone, but then again moto in Europe has poor support, and they tend have stupid bootloader.

i have a contract up in april and i think i will get the LG star the screen looks so good and a good battery music to my ears
also just incase you think i am anti HTC i have DHD my wife has desire and my little girl has my old HD2 running cm7 gingerbread on nand.

i dumped my x10 after their growing debate on multi touch and its poor battery life
ever since i gotten my DHD i'm so pleased i finally got HTC sense + the HTC keyboard that i didn't need to hack to get
don't think i'll switch back unless the arc has a better battery, i'm not too pleased with my DHD's battery

My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.

dazultra2000 said:
My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed. I for one am confident that we will get official Gingerbread with HTC sense this quarter and it wouldn't surprise me if the Desire got it in short order too.
As for X12 users they may well be stuck on Gingerbread forever. That wouldn't be a bad thing because its hard fault Gingerbread it feels like the coming of age for Android to me but when Honeycomb comes I will want it even if the new features don't change the way I use my phone on a daily basis, only because I am a geek and want new features to play with.
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Until Sony releasing an android walkman, am sticking to desire HD
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed.
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Yeah, exactly. She won't even let me root her phone so I can put FroYo on it! She even refused to put the OTA to 2.1 on until I begged her as it would fix the things she was moaning about!
So I think the Arc will probably be ideal for her. I'm sticking to my S-OFF, Rooted DHD though

There is a video of the arcs UI in action in engadget and let's just say Sony is still bad with software it looks very slow and lags a bit in the video. I guess don't might work it out before release but the if the x10 is any thing to go buy then I would advise to stay away from the arc.
Imo Sony and any compact for that matter would sell loads more units if they would just put stock android builds on their devices as it stands only HTC sense seems decent and even then I'd prefer stock
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I will not buy a SonyEricsson any time soon again...
I have my X10 lying in a drawer only as a toy, and spare phone...
The fact that Sonyericsson is lightyears behind HTC with firmware and other software, and the fact that they abandon a device like the flagship x10 after only 8 month on the marked, speak for it self...
And when they say that the new ARC is 4 times faster than the old x10, they hide the fact that the x10 also could be more than 4 times faster with optimized and new firmware...! the xda devs have proved that already...
Sonyericsson say they never will update the x10 to android 2,3 or even to 2,2, as they say that the users will gain nothing from that...
So x10 will be stuck on android 2,1...
And ARC users need to expect the same will happen to them also, don't expect to get newer firmware than what you buy the phone with...
The ARC don't even have dualcore, that many other manufacturs are planning to send out now...
I will personal NOT buy it, I would look at the LG X2 or wait for HTC to send out new handsets...
Buy a Sonyericsson and expect to get ****ed by them...
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Sent from my Desire HD running CM7/PNK9 B)

Never buy or wait for a smartphone from SE. it is simply not worth it.
they promise you whatever you want to hear/read but they fail to deliver in all categories. i bought a p990i and and xperia-x1 and the story is always the same: first they announce a model, then they move the release over and over again up to 6-12 months. they rarely make more then 1 update/hotfix. they fail to upgrade the OS in a reasonable time (if they even consider it). they drop support on phones pretty fast.
service, support and updates: FAIL
i did observe this on: p990i, p1, x1, x10 ...
they even released android 1.6 phones in the US after most other companys switched to frojo ...
-QuadWord

Dual cures core phones are not exciting me much at all. They are worthless until there is an Android os which is optimized for them, and apps won't benefit until they are optimized for dual core.
Just like when the first 64 bit desktop cpu came out. Most people were still using 32 bit os on them until very recently because most software was and still is 32 bit anyway.
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Next Handset?

Morning!
Not that I am one to dance on graves or imply than someone is 'gettingonabit'....but the inevitable truth is that our little Hero's have been overtaken by newer, faster and more powerful models with smaller chins.
So with upgrades, including mine, looming I'm asking... What handset will be next? Why that handset? Or will you be waiting for something even shiniererer to come out?
I for one am being drawn to the Desire Z although I'm not that keen ok it's looks. My ideal would be an Android version of HTC 7 Pro.
Ever since I was literally mugged of my T-mobile Vario, I've really missed a physical keyboard. I'm also hoping for something with a decent battery life, so the Desire HD has fallen like Naomi Campbell in high heels and is out it the running straight away.
Look forward to your replies, peeps!
Orangepeel.
*some words in this in this post were made up. A Countdown contestant I am not.
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I'm starting to look around a bit right now too! My upgrade isn't due until about July, but figure unless some nice new phones come out in the next few months (which is highly likely, and they will probably have a price to boot), most of what I'll be looking at on contract is out now!
Desire HD - I like the power but not too keen on the size.
Desire Z - I like the size but it has an 800MHz CPU which is probably ample for my needs.
Galaxy S - I really like HTC Sense, infact it pains me I use a custom ROM on my Hero because Sense is just too slow for me.
I'm even considering a W7 phone - maybe, but I really love the customisability, and geekyness of the Android phones !

my next handset doesnt quite exist yet. I'll retire the hero when I see, dual core, notification light and either a slide out keyboard or a screen above 4.1 inches .. Im hoping htc will bring it.. think I will avoid moto almost regardless as I enjoy custom roms which have kept my hero fresh, to be honest Im upgrading because I cant type easily on the smallish screen/ with lack of physical keyboard.. love the phone otherwise

I decided to take the plunge to WP7 and bought a HTC HD 7 on O2 pay as you go ..as I had never used a Winmob phone before
I love the Big screen and gaming is good although pricey
The phone has problems with the sound and camera but otherwise is a lovely phone
Also being WP7 the apps are slowly trickling in so have to be patient.
My Hero is due for upgrade around 2 months time
so the options I am thinking about are
LG Optimus 2x - Dual core
Motorola Atrix - Dual Core
Nexus S - all for the love of google and front facing camera
Samsung galaxy S - front facing camera
Desire HD - or if Htc comes with any new phones
Nokia N9 - If its worth it
Nokia N8 - Was a nokia fan all along untill Htc came up
Iphone 4 - ZZZzzzzzzzz
I hope HTC seriously comes out with New phones or even Nokia love them hardwares

With MWC in a couple of weeks, you'd be crazy to make any decisions now

The Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc has also, today, just taken my interest too! Due for around March/April release, looks nice, has Android 2.3 and a descent camera by the looks of things!

I have no idea but defently a HTC. Easy rootable

I am waiting to see which phone takes Feeyo

My next handset doesnt exist yet
I want something the same size as the HTC Hero.
Bigger battery (1800amps+ would be great!)
1ghz ish (Not dualcore!)
dedicated gpu would be nice but dont care too much.
I dont care how fast it is (rooting can always get them faster ) but I want the battery to last well before I root. That way it will get even better!
Also with a good Dev community... In fact put that to the top of the list after the past 2 days clusterfuck.... >_>

Coedy said:
Bigger battery (1800amps+ would be great!)
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Heh, heh. I know you probably made an honest mistake but damn... I would love a cell phone battery with 1800 Amps! It would last FOREVER.
At work I do testing of electrical utility grade equipment. Our 2000 Amp transformers are so heavy I can barely move them.

i have hero magic galaxy and epad.
galaxy is beautiful gadget
epad is slow and bad touch. epad is helpful mostly big.
did magic then hero then galaxy. galaxy not as much systems then hero sadly.
best is galaxy with games!

chuhuboy said:
i have hero magic galaxy and epad.
galaxy is beautiful gadget
epad is slow and bad touch. epad is helpful mostly big.
did magic then hero then galaxy. galaxy not as much systems then hero sadly.
best is galaxy with games!
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which galaxy? I've read that galaxy S has lots of aftermarket roms available but galaxy captivate has issues running anything over 2.1 (like, it can even burn itself out!?)

Atrix is coming to Orange... I'm going to struggle avoiding it.
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Hi. Hero is my first android device. I am using it for more than a year and I have started to think about replacing it with something new. First of all I want to say that hero is a brilliant device and I am very happy that I have bought it in september '09. Secondly, I expect from my next cell to have a bigger screen with a bigger resolution, better CPU, more memory and ... a camera flash light.
The DHD is a very nice looking device but it is too big and the battery is weak.
Galaxy S is too shiny and plastic, but the gaming performance and speed is WOW! However it is a Samsung and I have bad memories with them.
So a perfect replacement for my Hero would be the Desire, but .... Motorola and LG are making a big performance leap forward with their dual-core devices. So buying now a Desire wouldn't be smart, cause in a year's time it will probably be like my current hero (quite good, but with many limitations).
So I am looking forward to MWC where there will be announced a replacement for the Desire and I think that will be my next android device.
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@zagielek
You took the words right out of my mouth!

Something I am looking for in my next phone is ANT+ compatibility. Sony Ericsson is the only one announced so far, but I am not keen about them. A samsung or a HTC would be nice. I'm on my 4th HTC at this stage.

Well following MWC nothing really grabbed me.
There are three phones around that I would consider but:
Desire Z: is just a bit crude design wise for me; two tone grey, patches of metal etc. Plus the spec will quickly get dated.
Pro 7: Nice tough looking phone but Windows OS. I would actually consider it but just can't see it having the flexibility and apps of android.
Nokia E7: LOVE the form of this handset. If the little green android was running it I would get it in a heartbeat. But sadly it's Symbian, although a new version, I'm really not sure I'd be happy.
So generally feeling at bit miffed- right handset with wrong OS or wrong handset with right OS.
Might have to consider giving up the keyboard
Orangepeel.
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I'm thinking Nexus S or Galaxy S2...
One thing for sure is this time I'm not tying myself up in a 24 months contract...
In a lot of cases it can work cheaper taking a monthly rolling contract (costs vary between £10-£20 instead of your general £35) and then buying the phone separately. With this option I would however have to downgrade my ambitions...
I could always go for a Droid X HD10 lol...

im going to get a galaxy s 2, really wanted htc to bring out a new device to compete with samsung and lg's new phones

Still looking out for what my next handset it's going to be.
Hopefully, it will be lot's of fun (that is, not bored) like Hero, where there's lots of community forum support and plenty of ROMs available from developers every few weeks/months to flash

Replacement for X10

Now the X10 has reached the end of the road and new contract in 6 months do we stick with SE ie X12 Arc. Or what, Would defenitly buy one supported by J,Z and the rest of the team.
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for me, X12(Arc) is overrated.. Is too much for a mobile phone..
I'll stick with my X10 beast.

Your right, love my X10, hate SE. XDA are kings.
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The only advantage of X12 is camera, with XDA you can get the same performance like X12.
Just my opinion.

lol you got to be kidding me right you gonna be suckered into buying another SE product just be screwed over when they release the next phone ?
never again ...

They openly stated that they messed up with the X10 and did not know what peoples prios were. They also said that they have a completely different plan for working with the Arc. If i had they money, i would defenantly get one! It's still the best looking phone with the hands down best camera and gps, 2 things i look for in a device. So dont be so fast in putting SE off.
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BlikBier said:
lol you got to be kidding me right you gonna be suckered into buying another SE product just be screwed over when they release the next phone ?
never again ...
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We never got screwed at all. Se only promist 2.1 update. They keept all there promis if i dont remember wrong ? Im so sick of all the folks trolling about how mutch the X1 sucks... It not as bad how you want it to be. So se wont update longer as promist, like htc dose it. But its still a good phone. So stop wining !
And i would also go for the arc ( the hd video out is also a nice thing )
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will stick to my x10, disapointed to SE..

I still can't do voice dialing on my X10a despite the update to 2.1. SE keeps forgetting that a smartphone is first and foremost a phone.
I'm currently have my eyes on the upcoming Motorola Atrix 4G.

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will stick to my x10, disapointed to SE..
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I'll stick to XDA, fck SE

the only replacements that come to mind are:
if u into great looking phones : Xperia Arc
if u want poweful phone: LG Optimus X2 / Motorola Atrix / HTC ??? (they will be announcing one based on Terga2 chip at MWC)

Three things I'll be considering on my next Android (not anytime soon)
1. Upgradability
2. Design/Specs
3. XDA Support
The Arc isn't much of an upgrade from the X10 if you ask me. It's too early still. I'm waiting for something that'll blow me away.

Yeah buy the arc and get screwed again and left behind as android versions pass you by..no thanks!
Get htc or lg..should have lots of choice shortly too. Dual core phones are going to be amazing

Love my x10 but hate SE for screwing with us ,
Personally I dont think much oF SE ARC ,
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se promiset update each their model for two years so x10 finishing in autumn of 2011.se finished with x10 earlier [8-9months]as they told to public

Felt good about the X10 today!

I was at a meeting today, the guy next to me had the HTC Evo 4G, looked like a sweet phone, but in the 2 hour meeting the guy had to take the battery out FIVE times because the phone froze on him. In the year I have owned my X10 I have had to do that twice that I can recall. Made me feel pretty good about my trusty x10! Just thought I'd share given all the *****ing about our phone sometimes

That's why I love my phone. Never had any problem with it. Specially now that there's a lot of custom rom out there.

well, after all seems there`s no reason for battery complain
is right where it should be, in battery case
didn`t you tease with the guy? i would!

The X10 is very stable, even with mods.
But the EVO isn't bad, too. Wish they'd sell it here, too. Want at it as my second phone xD
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Since I got my X10 last July, I never ever had to remove the battery for any other reason. Never hang or freeze on me yet, knock on wood! He! He!

Hey guys,
I just sold my HD2 and with the money i bought a brand new x10. I deceided to post a thank-you-all-for-the-support-post at their sub forum and they almost ate me alive. I was called crazy etc, now since i received the brand new package and that i have spent almost 3-4 days of heavy usage i can say honestly the following:
1. From the design point of view the device is awesome, fne and classy.
2. The OS is stable and the harware works just great.
3. From the camera point of view there is not much to compare, actually comparing the cameras of HTC and Sony is pretty insulting i guess.
4. The headphones from the pack are great
So anybody can feel free to diss X10, i can say that the phone is great and i do not regret selling the HD2 for this Sony masterpiece.

I feel sorry for two guys: the owner of the HTC Evo and the guy whom opened a thread asking for opinions about X10, but at the end he will get a Samsung (fa)i(l)Phone Galaxy
F*ck the negativity, f*ck SE's decision, f*ck bootloader, X10 rules!!!

X10 is even cooler than ARC
Hi,
From the design point of view (phone sleeping!) I think that the front-view of X10 is way more balanced than XPERIA ARC. Have you noticed the distance between the top of the screen and the top of the heady phone?
OK, ARC is thin on the side-view but phones do not "walk like the Egyptians"
I would expect that the follow-up on X10 would be something like the attached picture... I love the visual balance of the X10.
Bye,
Alex

roaringhere said:
Since I got my X10 last July, I never ever had to remove the battery for any other reason. Never hang or freeze on me yet, knock on wood! He! He!
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Same for me, I dun have such problem after using my X10 compared to my previous HTC devices.
The user experience for X10 is simply great, SE has done a good job.
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I must be just unlucky then, I've had to remove the battery loads and the phone keeps restarting. As I write this I'm preparing my phone to send it for repair.

shaunbu said:
I must be just unlucky then, I've had to remove the battery loads and the phone keeps restarting. As I write this I'm preparing my phone to send it for repair.
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just because U installed custom Rom or didn't update properly. Bad luck for U. But it worth to try that U backup everything ( but no the downloaded from market), hard resest. and try to repair by SEUS. Then if U have 0.24 or 0.435 build, everything shuold work fine

I'm gonna cheat on my X10 with the Arc......does that make me horrible? Lol
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last time i did this with symbian phones

The problem with the arc or any new phone is all the bugs. Honestly how much better is the arc to the x10 ?
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enrique71 said:
The problem with the arc or any new phone is all the bugs. Honestly how much better is the arc to the x10 ?
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Well I can't not purchase a new phone being affraid of what bugs it might bring right?
I'm certain the arc is alot better than the x10....only time will tell.
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Don't get why previous X10 owners wants to get out and buy another SE android device. After the way they treated you with this device. Im not going back to a SE device next time I'll go out for a new smartphone.
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arkedk said:
Don't get why previous X10 owners wants to get out and buy another SE android device. After the way they treated you with this device. Im not going back to a SE device next time I'll go out for a new smartphone.
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Its simple....because some people actually like/love there X10's (myself included) and I do not care about SE and anything they have said. The boys here at XDA have us covered.
The Arc has everything I want in a smartphone....so why wouldn't I buy it? Its fits my needs better than any HTC, Samsung, Motorolla, etc etc.
I don't care about dual core this and dual core that...I don't care about "retina display"
I don't care about my phone having the highest specs possible when released...because in reality, it will be outdated in a month anyways.
SE never promised or said they would give us 2.2+...they have given us what they said they would (except DLNA...bad bad boys for that)
Anyways, I think you understand what Im trying to say...just because your not happy with SE, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
Oh...and don't take anything I said "offensive" or "personal"....I wasn't being rude or aggresive
Just thought Id add that before I start a war lol

Yeah youre right but SE does one thing better then all other Android Phones, the Style. The UI and Phone Style is very good i think no other Android Phone looks that good. Atleast this Time they launch the Phone on latest Android Version so its already one good step forward^^ And i dont think they will again do the same like with X10. But i buyed the X10 becouse of the Design most. I could have taken a Desire too but i didnt liked the Style i only liked the newer Android Version, everyone likes other things but for me stock Android is very ugly and alot of Android Phones too. Gingerbread is not that ugly but still not that good.

Wolfbreak said:
Yeah youre right but SE does one thing better then all other Android Phones, the Style. The UI and Phone Style is very good i think no other Android Phone looks that good. Atleast this Time they launch the Phone on latest Android Version so its already one good step forward^^ And i dont think they will again do the same like with X10. But i buyed the X10 becouse of the Design most. I could have taken a Desire too but i didnt liked the Style i only liked the newer Android Version, everyone likes other things but for me stock Android is very ugly and alot of Android Phones too. Gingerbread is not that ugly but still not that good.
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+1 for that my friend. SE ui is extremely nice to look at. And the phone styles they create are excellent. I don't think they will be late with updating anymore. I'm sure they learned....and the hard way....they were blasted from all over the globe lol.
The Arc is launching with the newest android os....so that's one step in the right direction right from the start. But if the arc was launching with even froyo....I'd still be on board to buy this phone. I'm not to picky when it comes to android os versions.....well as long as its not lower than 2.1.
PS. I'm actually using you cm rom v4.1 right now....excellent work man....tho I like your old ui without the arc style better.
Best 2.2 rom I've tried tho.
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I pass from iPhone 4 to X10, no complain about it, only the lack of INSTAGRAM, I also have a Samsung Galaxy tab and Exchange email capability is the only one thing better than X10! Both devices are Telcel now unbranded!
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Desire C

So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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johrie said:
So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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evilcuber said:
Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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I know that and I did not state that it is not. You were probably confused with my 3.6 statement. HTC is not updating older phones with sense 4.0 but with 3.6 and that is why we won't get the update. It is simply to much for this phone. But we could get a slimmed to version of 3.6.
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Its because they are money hungry and they want you to buy new phone.If they stay pushing out updates to older phones they won't encourage you to buy new phones=smaller profit for them
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New phone - new money for company . No sense in upgradin old devices to the latest updates , when it is possible to get profit from pushiing out new smartphone even when specs is lower than olders one.
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However, they could give us some source codes for the devs to make the work and not htc
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First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.

riahc3 said:
First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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THEY SHOULD BE! Or else...
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riahc3 said:
First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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johrie said:
And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.

IMHO, i find it unfair that DHD users are getting their ICS upgrade while we are, well, most probably not even though both the DHD and DZ are launched concurrently.

riahc3 said:
Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.
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A little detail i have to fix in your post... HTC never said anything about releasing a new phone with a hardware keyboard, they should update their latest because there will be no more newer version (unless the One Z is real... Which is not)...
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probably HTC did hte math and decided that neither a new Z phone or updating the old one was worth it...
We can keep asking .. you'll never know!
But You'll have to agree with the fact that is all just about money...

The whole argument with "phones did not get updated in the past" is kind of stupid. Phones are not what they used to be. It is not just a phone anymore it is a pocket computer.
Also they also did it with the desire so if we try hard enough maybe we can get official ICS.
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Probably we won't be seeing a successor to the Desire Z. And that is just sad. But I used my friends' note and typing on it wasn't that bad. The general trend is moving away from h/w keyboards.

I doubt there will be an ICS version for our Desire Z ever. Cause where is the attraction of buying a new one WITH ICS?
I´m running my two DesireZ with Andromadus beta ICS for a while now and I have the feeling of having a new mobile in my hands. So I gave up the thought buying a new one That's exactly what they do not want..
Mike

I don't care much for ics as gingerbread has all the features I need, and unless there is a flawless ics rom why bother. I won't get a new phone (if my g2 breaks ill buy a used g2 from ebay) fact is that many g2/dz may not get another htc phone when theirs goes bad for many of us want a hardware keyboard. So why not move on to something else especially if they get a discount with a new contract. Untill we see a comprable yet updated phone from htc with a hardware keyboard they will probably loose more money than if they just released ics for our phones in the meantime while the g3 is being built. In the sense that we will keep these untill the g3 comes out. The g1 was the absolute best phone untill the g2, if there isn't a g3 then another company will certainly make the best phone and even the die hard htc fans (me included) will change our minds.
Just my take...
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