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Hi, im currently waiting for the Touch HD, but the past few days have posed many questions with much criticism going on about HTC's new flagship product. This has brought up the idea again, whether i should go for the iphone. Im no fan boy and i would value anything thats factual and unbiased.
this are my most important needs for the phone off the hat, in order of importance.
1) text messaging. i need a good keypad to message and such. i know the touch hd uses a resistive and the iphone a capacitive. but bearing in mind that the resistive screen used by the touch hd is by far the best, is it really far of from the iphone? If the apple gets a score of 100%, what would the touch hd's touch screen get?
(i sorta do MMS messaging at times too)
2) web browsing, the easy of web browsing is kinda important. less the navigation but more of page viewing. this is where the 3.8" screen comes as a huge plus. i know navigation on the iphone is more user friendly, but in terms of amt of information in a scree, is the touch hd much better?
3) videos. just one question, can the touch hd watch SMOOTH and CLEAR videos with the correct codes and resolution(reasonable size please)?
4) extra stuffs. i know that WM has many 3rd party software out there, much more than the iphone. ignoring the design and such, does the boundless quantity of software provide sufficiently functionality as compared to what the app store offers?
5) the occasional picture. iphone or touch hd? in terms of speed and quality.
Edit: I do have tons of time on my hands to tweak the Touch HD to my liking and such. lol.
(Just gotta wait for it to be out in Singapore...)
Note: I dont appreciate flaming nor do i feel i deserve any :/
Look up in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443504
1) no answer cos I dont have my HD yet
2) same as 1)
3) use Core Player v1.2.5 and it will work out of the box
4) Absolutely...Wait another month and you will find plenty of stuff exclusively for the HD. Thats xda any people in here are outstanding
Hope could at least help a little.
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Sounds like the HD will be more up your street.
I think you'll probably get bored of the iphone interface after a while (with the HD you'll be able to customise and tailor it to your needs)
I'm waiting for my HD to be delivered within the next 2 days (fingers crossed), but according to the slashgear review, the HD has the best resistive touch screen available (almost on par with the iphone).
The touch experience is extended over to Opera so should make web browsing a doddle.
Plus you can play high res div-x videos smoothly - not sure about other formats.
Here's the review - http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-hd-slashgear-review-part-2-0721942/
With respect to camera quality - it'll have to be the HD as you've got a 5MP camera (i know pixel resolution isn't the only factor for measuring quality but it has to beat the iphones 2mp) plus you'll also get more options on how you want to capture images not to mention the video recording ability.
Hope that helps !
I've had both (got the first iPhone when it came out in the US and got rid of it a month later for various reasons - mainly things that it just didn't do well or at all that I really need from a phone) - but I was struck with the UI and how good it was (the capacitive touchscreen I guess basically and how polished the visuals were supporting it)
Anyway, I've never really understood this ludicrous 'fan' loyalty mentality [over EITHER brand]- it's an effing phone, it's not like a member of my close family make them or anything.........anyway....I digress....I can't answer all your questions, as one or 2 are a little technical and require more detail than I can provide I tihnk - plus I've only had the HD a few days and so I've not managed to try certain things (will try video in a sec though
1. Txt messaging .... '=IF IPHONE=100%,TOUCH_HD=97%,IMO' ;-) (seriously - it's v. good, I think so anyway)
2. Screen 'volume' browsing advantage - it tips a little in favour of the HD for obvious reasons - not much in it really though - definintion is fantastic on the HD
Jumping to 5. The HD just gets it I think - speed is about the same IIRC but the screen definition on the HD blows the iphone away (and anything else I've seen quite frankly, including the diamond, if only because it has a smaller version of the same screen and was a bit flickery on the brightness)
HTH
FWIW - I really do like the iphone...but.....it just lets itself down badly on several points for me at this stage - it may get to the point in a couple of gen's time where it becomes a contender for me again - but IF I can get ANDROID onto my HD [oh please oh please oh please....] ....I feel the bar will be set waaaaay up high - too high in fact!
so the touch HD can be said to be more "open sourced", especially with lots more apps and such out there?
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so the touch HD can be said to be more "open sourced", especially with lots more apps and such out there?
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Oh certainly. But not just the apps, also the ROMs, radios, unlockers, SPLs and all the other stuff the geniuses here dabble in.
One more factor to think about is the actual time and energy you want to spend on your phone. Buying the HD (or any WM phone) and participating in XDA-Devs is a dangerous recipe. Most people I see on here (myself included) don't just set up their phones and live happily ever after. It is a never-ending and frustratingly enjoyable experience trying to make the phone work exactly like you want it to.
The iphone on the other hand, just works. But probably not exactly like you want it to
Having owned both... (well still owning HD now and it's a keeper so yes I am slightly biased):
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1) text messaging. i need a good keypad to message and such. i know the touch hd uses a resistive and the iphone a capacitive. but bearing in mind that the resistive screen used by the touch hd is by far the best, is it really far of from the iphone? If the apple gets a score of 100%, what would the touch hd's touch screen get?
(i sorta do MMS messaging at times too)
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For typing, the differences between any touchscreen become much smaller as all you do is press your finger down on an area contrary to sliding and brushing and such. The HD types better in that regard as there is more keyboard options (I really dig suretype) and even on similar keyboards (qwerty) the HD utilizes the additional screen height with some additional controls.
To answer the other question: well both screens are 100% to me, maybe the HD is 98%... The differences in responsiveness are so damn small I can barely tell. Behaves a little differently though, mostly depending on UI differences, not screen differences. But the HD has a sharper, cleaner presentation and both UIs are very good, so I prefer the HD, by a small margin.
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2) web browsing, the easy of web browsing is kinda important. less the navigation but more of page viewing. this is where the 3.8" screen comes as a huge plus. i know navigation on the iphone is more user friendly, but in terms of amt of information in a scree, is the touch hd much better?
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HD hands down. The huge screen and high sharpness are all major criteria for me, and this is mainly why I chose the HD (and why it has its name ). Navigation on the iPhone is barely more user friendly, multitouch is nice for pictures but annoying/overrated for browsing... I really prefer the doubletap.
There is not much more information on the HD screen as only the widescreen factor gets you more info, but because of the super resolution it is a lot sharper and thus you don't need to zoom in as much to get readible pages. In fact, I do global reading/site skimming without zooming in at all. Iphone won't let you do that as easily.
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3) videos. just one question, can the touch hd watch SMOOTH and CLEAR videos with the correct codes and resolution(reasonable size please)?
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I watch DivX mostly on it, using 800MB and 1,5GB files. I use coreplayer, perfect for me... I don't do benchmarks so I can't tell you the scientific performance, but if I see razor sharp 800*480 and smooth playback movies with super fast seeking, I'm happy.
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4) extra stuffs. i know that WM has many 3rd party software out there, much more than the iphone. ignoring the design and such, does the boundless quantity of software provide sufficiently functionality as compared to what the app store offers?
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I would not let the WinMo platform cloud judgement here. The Apple App Store is huge and only getting bigger each day, it's got great developer support. Don't buy into WinMo because of applications. IPhone has got apps for anything you need, just like WinMo, biggest difference is that WinMo has 10 apps for anything you need, so you got more choice
However, WinMo is much, much MUCH more customizable. Like I said WinMo has 10 apps for each IPHone 1 app, well it's like you got 10 OS versions contrary to 1 as well... WinMo is a broad term and IPhone OS is always the same damn thing, and all these kids got the same apps on their phones
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5) the occasional picture. iphone or touch hd? in terms of speed and quality.
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HTC, Apple, Blackberry... Don't buy these brands for good camera, but yes, occasional picture, it's fine. You get the same quality from an IPhone and a HD, but the HD picture is much bigger (5MP contrary to 2MP), but sensor quality does not differ much.
But... Here comes WinMo again... Of course the HD camera lets you do 10 times as much as an IPhone cam, making it more suitable for the occasional picture.
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The iphone on the other hand, just works. But probably not exactly like you want it to
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True for the most part, well, it works ... But many software updates were required to get there Bad call reception (still an issue), locked OS features because they simply weren't ready yet, temporary freezes, lockups, horrible battery life.... It reminds us that Apple phones are made by the same mere mortals that would make any other phone
and most imporant of all, with HD you have Voice Command available. There is nothing even remotely close on Iphone i have htc x7500 and iphone. HD coming tommorow
Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.
try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore
Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.
I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......
Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.
Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...
do you recomend any?
I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.
Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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You could try SPB Full Keyboard
Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs
I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.
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do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!
Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.
My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.
a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.
Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....
I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.
Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it
My HD is barely a year old and i heard so many folks saying it is pointless..
i am hoping users who have both device can help.
My main dislikes of HD.
1) Video playback performance
2) System is sluggish. Even with custom roms
3) Camera is BAD. REAL BAD.
4) I always have misfires while typing. wrong letters etc.
5) Not so good batt. life.
does the HD2 solve all this and beyond? thanks so much.
I'm not an HD2 owner but I think I can fairly state that:
1) the device has been proven to be able to play very high resolution videos flawlessly;
2) system response is blazing fast, even with heavy-ass Sense 2.5;
3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
4) the screen is considerably bigger and so will be the keyboard, accordingly;
5) numbers seem to indicate that battery life will not improve, but I'd ask owners first on this one.
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I'm not an HD2 owner but I think I can fairly state that:
1) the device has been proven to be able to play very high resolution videos flawlessly;
2) system response is blazing fast, even with heavy-ass Sense 2.5;
3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
4) the screen is considerably bigger and so will be the keyboard, accordingly;
5) numbers seem to indicate that battery life will not improve, but I'd ask owners first on this one.
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lol heavy-ass Sense 2.5
1) and 2) HD2 is infinitely better. I sold my HD to a colleague and tried to use it yesterday. I don't know how I tolerated it.
3) I don't know where and how you guys take pictures, but, as far as I'm concerned, HD2's camera is miles better that HD's one. I mean, with this camera I can actually take pictures in real life circumstances. The reason is that it is very fast. HD's camera took so long to focus and take the shot that the scene often changed several times by the end. Sure, these pictures won't make me a famous photographer, and for something really good I'll use my dedicated camera, but for occasional snapshots of friends and places it's good enough finally. HD was completely useless for me in this area.
4) is an issue of permanent flame wars here. Its very subjective. It was difficult for me to get used to it because of the capacitive screen and strong habits of using resistive touchscreen devices. Your taps may be registered in slightly different locations compared to what you may expect at first. With resistive, the tap happens where you press hardest, here it depends on the shape of your finger. People who've never used resistive seem to deal just fine with my keyboard. Also, HD2's keyboard wasn't modified by HTC properly for the capacitive screen. It needs to support multitouch and space buttons a bit further away from each other. But all in all, after a little getting used to, I type at least as fast as I did on HD2. Maybe even faster.
5) It's difficult to say. My HD lasted for 1.5 days (a full day, a full night in standby and another full day) easily. I've not been able to get this with HD2. But! I use it much more. For the first few days I caught myself turning it on and watching the silly weather animation on the home screen every five minutes. Disabling this animation seems to have increased battery life, even if by giving me fewer reasons to turn the phone on. I think that 1.5 days is achievable when my usage normalizes.
1) My HD2 plays all of my movies with out and problems, nice and smooth.
2) Doesnt slow down, pretty much ever, there is the occasion bit now and then, but thats very very rare! And with new roms it can only get better!
3) Camera is actually really, VERY VERY good.
4) Keyboard is really good if you leave XT9 on.
5) Battery life isnt that bad, obviously it could be better, but it lasts me a day and thats all I need.
Mate, there has been so many of these threads started already. I haven't commented on any but coming from a HD and loving it there really is no competition. The HD2 is literally twice the device the HD was. Its not that much bigger, 1ghz under the hood, upgradeable to WM7 etc etc etc. The only slight annoyance is the battery life is crap!! I use mine for work so get lots of calls and emails, barely lasts a day!
Other than this the HD2 is the best device (arguably) ever invented, it is that good.
DB
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Mate, there has been so many of these threads started already. I haven't commented on any but coming from a HD and loving it there really is no competition. The HD2 is literally twice the device the HD was. Its not that much bigger, 1ghz under the hood, upgradeable to WM7 etc etc etc. The only slight annoyance is the battery life is crap!! I use mine for work so get lots of calls and emails, barely lasts a day!
Other than this the HD2 is the best device (arguably) ever invented, it is that good.
DB
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Not really anything to add to that. Some people have beefs and believe that not agreeing with them means you are lying, but they're just idiots. There's about 99% praise for this phone on these forums, and we're not fanboys. We're just glad to own something so good.
Get one. Get one now
I'd pretty much agree with vangreig. except to say i find typing in landscape is a joy, im almost as fast typing with this now as with the advantage hard keyboard, and if it doesnt appeal swype works pretty well as well. will be interesting too see which way htc go with the keyboard, it could support multitouch easily and by the looks if things htc are throwing plenty of roms out..
I'm upto about 36 hrs of battery life with heavy use, plenty of tweaks in there.
personally i think there is no comparison really between hd and hd2, i tried my hd2 after a weekend with the hd2, and went and immediately sold it...
I add a Touch Pro 2 before. TP2 is the same than HD but with a full keypad.. so I've some advice abotu your post :
2) System is sluggish. Even with custom roms
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System is stable, and fast. VERY fast. i didn't got any pb with it.
3) Camera is BAD. REAL BAD.
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The resolution of photos is better, but qualitiy looks like the same. I think.
4) I always have misfires while typing. wrong letters etc.
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The capacitive screen of an HD2 is really different from the resistive your HD. It's hard to explain, but REALLY better. On answer to this problem, is that whit a resistive screen, if you're taping TWO differents keys on your virtual keypad, you'll get a mistake (the screen will takes the letter at the middle of the both). Whith capacitive screen, they won't be any problem, the second letter tapped will not be considered. So, YES, the HD2 screen is REALLY better for it ! ;D
5) Not so good batt. life.
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With my TP2 (is think he has a better batery than HD), I had a batery life of 2-3 days. With my HD2, I get only 1 day, using WMLongLife program (auto-switching to 2G-3G when needed). The batery is suffisant. Not exceptional, but really suffisant Moreover, at the end of the day (9:00 pm), I'm about 3% (xD) but I use my phone EVERY hour (which I didn't with TP2). =)
Hope it helps you !
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(...) with this camera I can actually take pictures in real life circumstances. The reason is that it is very fast. HD's camera took so long to focus and take the shot that the scene often changed several times by the end.
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I think this is what really matters, the real major breakthrough we were all expecting for the camera.
johncmolyneux said:
Get one. Get one now
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Hahahaha JEEEEEEEEEEEZ I'm so horribly tempted
If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
biranouran said:
If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
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That's an exaggeration. I do that maybe twice a week, but I play with it a LOT, and by play, I mean hack about.
Anyway, if the worst thing it does is mean you have to press a small red button once a day, YES!!!! Get it!
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3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
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I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
Pagnell said:
I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
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ISO 400 should do the trick, if not go 800.
Had the HD2 for over 3 weeks now, only once did I soft reset my device, and that was to get some changes to take effect.
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ISO 400 should do the trick, if not go 800.
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ISO settings only adjust the shutter speed. The problem here is the time it takes between pressing the "button" to take a picture, and the device actually doing it.
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If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
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You can simply load a software soft reset button such as Raisaks and lots of others, theres one in the tweak thread too with a nice Icon. No need to take back cover off.
I changed from the HD to the HD2 but then took the HD2 back as I could not adjust to the size of the device! It's like a tablet PC rather than a PDA. That was the only let down for me. Everytime I picked it up I just thought "This is too big".
Luckly I was able to return it to O2 for a full refund and they cancelled the 18 month contract. Im now back to my HD and love it to bits.
The HD2 was faster... Much faster infact and the camera was so much quicker at taking pictures. Also the multi-touch screen was very good. I had problems typing on the phone as it was too sensitive. The slightest movement of you finger would select the key to the side.
In my opinion I would have liked the HD2 specs to be inside the HD case and keep that size. Now that would have been a great phone.
Re camera speed, I certainly don't have anything remotely close to a 3 second delay. There are videos out there showing HD2 taking pictures - it's near instant, and that's been my experience. Maybe the reason you think there is a delay is that you confuse the preview you get after taking a picture for it?
I went from a Touch HD to the HD2 and am very happy.
Battery life is slightly poorer than the HD but adding the tweaks here has helped I can get through from 8:00am to 11:00pm comfortably, which is enough for me. Oh and +1 on the keep switching on to play and watch the weather animation.
Typing takes some getting used to moving from the Resistive screen to the Capacitive screen, takes some practice, but the experience is better once a little effort has been put in.
These are the only caveats I could point out, the HD2 is superior to the HD in every way and, in my opinion, the best that money can buy.
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I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
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Now, if that's true you might consider to do a hard reset. It's not supposed to behave that way.
On topic: I had HD before HD2 and it's like day and night in all aspects (yes also in the aspect of the keyboard ) and I would'nt switch back even if I got paid. Actually I would'nt want to switch to any other phone after getting used to the HD2. I love it and when hardspl is done which will make us able to cook some fresh ROM's, well then we'll have a real iPhone killer for sure.
I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.
Root and remove the ****.
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.
spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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Key features
* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.
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So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.
I was considering heading over to AT&T tomorrow to exchange my backflip for the aria. Im sick of waiting for a root and the 2.1 that was promised. Judging by the CLIQ's progress, its not going to be around for awhile.
What im worried about is the software keyboard, how is it compared to the backflip's software keyboard? Since there's no physical on this thing im worried about typing.
Also, what about speed? I watched a video and it seemed to be flawless, but how does it perform in games? For example doodlejump, is it laggy like the backflip is?
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Skyfallkavu said:
I was considering heading over to AT&T tomorrow to exchange my backflip for the aria. Im sick of waiting for a root and the 2.1 that was promised. Judging by the CLIQ's progress, its not going to be around for awhile.
What im worried about is the software keyboard, how is it compared to the backflip's software keyboard? Since there's no physical on this thing im worried about typing.
Also, what about speed? I watched a video and it seemed to be flawless, but how does it perform in games? For example doodlejump, is it laggy like the backflip is?
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The software keyboard takes a little getting used to, but I can type decently with it now, about as fast as on my old tilt since the auto-spell correction helps a lot. The voice dictation function is also pretty accurate.
The UI is very snappy and lag free, even with a ton of animated widgets on the desktop. Scrolling through the application list is very quick and I experience minimal lag when browsing websites. I don't know what doodle jump is, but if it's anything like 'abduction', then it runs perfectly. I actually haven't played a game yet that was laggy.
One thing that IS slow is watching divx/mkv videos with rockplayer. I still haven't figured out why, but I suspect either a lack of hardware acceleration or the hardware simply isn't up to the task of rendering slightly higher resolution divx videos.
Hope that helps.
edit: - to be fair, .mp4 files desynch with audio in rockplayer but run decently in act1, so it's also possible that it's just a software issue.
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I have a Backflip, the AT&T flavor of Google's HTC Nexus One, and now an Aria. I had the poor little Backflip out the other day so I could let it do the OTA update. I had forgotten just how slow and underpowered that thing is. Sure, I loved having an actual physical keyboard, but I absolutely don't miss the "tap and wait" interaction with the Backflip. If you have the chance to get an Aria, do it. It will be a whole new world for you.
Use Swype. Once you get used to that, you'll be like "what keyboard"?
Last sunday I decided to stop by the At&t store to play with the Aria a bit more and ended up leaving the store with one of my own. There are only a few things I miss about the backflip 1. Camera flash 2. flipping the camera forward 3. slightly better speakerphone.
All in all I think the Aria is leaps and bounds a far better phone than the backflip. When I picked up the backflip I was glad it had a hardware qwerty keyboard. Soon I found myself typing on the screen more and more. The original motorola onscreen keyboard is HORRIBLE and within a week of having the backflip I installed the HTC keyboard (HTC_IME.)
The Aria speeds along with out a problem, I'm so happy to be out of that 1.5 cupcake hell! I actually really loved the backflip, but due to it's underpowered hardware and inability to be rooted I gave up. If you have the choice to return the backflip and pick an Aria I say go for it!
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Use Swype. Once you get used to that, you'll be like "what keyboard"?
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hahaha, i used to hate using the tiny keyboard on my Pure, ever since i got swype on it, i didn't mind it at all. though i do miss using a stylist with swype, it helps a lot.
My wife has had hers about three weeks, and her only persistent complaint about it is the speakerphone. HTC really should have spent the extra nickel on a better speaker. Turned up loud enough to hear (in a purse, in a crowd, etc) it's really distorted, so I suspect at some time there will be reports of speaker damage from being too high, etc..
Not that I'm that thrilled about the speaker on my Nexus One coming from a Tilt 2, but oh well..