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Clunky Like Windows 95? Hmmmm.....

First, I am straight vanilla on my EVO--stock ROM, no root, etc. But I have noticed a behavior pattern in Android that reminds me of Windows 95. I am not a heavy or light user, just standard. But I have noticed that after a month or so, the UI begins to get clunky or jerky or sporadic (put your own word here). But if I pull the battery for a complete restart, it runs as smooth as silk again for about another month, when I have to repeat the process.
This reminds me of the old days of Windows when even Microsoft recommended PC's and servers be periodically restarted to clean up memory issues.

You went a whole month without rebooting your phone??
I've noticed a little lag after a few days but I rarely go even that long without restarting for one reason or another. I always though periodically rebooting was just something that was good to do anyways.

That is pretty standard for smartphones. I restart mine every morning when I get out of bed.

the fact that you can go a full month without rebooting your smartphone says something I think.

Well, I haven't been tracking the interval on a calendar, but a month (plus or minus a week) seems about right. But I am astounded that this battery-pulling process is "common" knowledge or that anyone would would think that doing it every morning is an acceptable practice!! Seems that people that b*tch about wifi speeds and light leak would be putting a gun to their heads if they had to reboot every morning...LOL.

You are "stock" not "vanilla". The two are not interchangeable. Vanilla implies AOSP non-sense which is what you want if that ui is bogging you down. Try adw or launcher pro and that sense ui lag will be a thing of the past. A custom ROM like cm6, fresh, or baked snack will fix you right up.
Swyped on my EVO

I am pretty sure none of the people who answered pull the battery for a restart. It's as simple as getting a program (quickboot) from the market to do it or long press on the power button. That is not a hassle at all, and really, every smartphone should be rebboted from time to time. This phones are now mini computers and as such from time to time will need rebooting to keep things smooth.

+1, pulling the battery is not necessary to reboot. I don't know why Sprint would suggest that is any different than just rebooting..

whats the name of the App in the market that will reboot your phone for you at a specified time/date/interval?
I know its in the market (and requires root) but i cant remember the name

dmc971989 said:
whats the name of the App in the market that will reboot your phone for you at a specified time/date/interval?
I know its in the market (and requires root) but i cant remember the name
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I saw the thread about someone asking if an app like that exists, I didn't think it had been made yet.

I can see how someone who is not rooted could go a month with out restarting there phone. I mean most of my restarts happen because i am flashing a new kernel or rom or some combination of the 2.
What others listed is true though almost all smart phones need a reboot from time to time. Even newer PCS with win 7 you should reboot now and then so this wasn't only windows 95.
Also as stated above you dont need to pull the battery just power down and power back on and you should be good to go.

I think having to reboot your phone is a ridiculous notion. Just because it has the functionality of a mini computer doesnt mean that shortcomings of computers should be forgiven...
I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...

icantdrawanime said:
I think having to reboot your phone is a ridiculous notion. Just because it has the functionality of a mini computer doesnt mean that shortcomings of computers should be forgiven...
I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...
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hahahahaha...
good one

a power cycle is unavoidable, thats when your system cleans up and wipes whatever isnt needed like temp files and what not, even regular cellphones from time to time require a restart, all computers require restart, what im more interested in is how android handles memory fragmentation, in ubuntu, they recently released a kernal upgrade that allowed for ubuntu to handle huge file sizes but now requires defrag to be able to compensate for fragmentation caused by using such large files and i was told that android has some sort of 2gig limitation on the overall os and i believe apps have a 15mb write limit or something of that sort, would that be to try and avoid memory fragmentation??

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I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...
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That's not a fair comparison at all. Overheating is something that can damage an electronic device. I've never heard of a phone getting damaged by rebooting it.
Hell, for all we know, the OP doesn't even need to reboot. Running a task kill might have been enough to fix his problems.

IDK about you guys, but my battery dies so often and quickly, I don't think I can go more than a day without it dying at least one...

Whats the big issue with restarting? Takes like 1 minute.

Rapidly losing patience w/ my Vibrant

I got my first Vibrant on launch day with high hopes. Two weeks later I had a new one due the phone freezing EVERY time I opened Google Maps. I've held on to this one now waiting for a GPS fix and JI6 worked great for me....for about the first week. Now its just as bad as ever.
I get an initial fix much quicker, but after about five minutes it loses GPS signal completely and indefinitely. In the past week my phone has begun freezing AGAIN, including three times today alone. Two of the times I would go to unlock my phone and nothing would happen. The screen would remain off, softkeys wouldn't light up, and a long press on the power button does nothing. I have to pull the battery out and reboot.
This is incredibly frustrating because this phone takes nearly 5 minutes to boot (never actually timed it but I have to imagine somewhere close to that). So its a long wait before I can do what I intended to do. I did notice that Shopsavvy was sucking on the GPS signal when I rebooted the phone so perhaps that's what was secretly crashing it (Needless to say, ShopSavvy got the boot after the second freeze).
I've tried uninstalling and re-installing the Maps updates w/ no change. I would bring the phone back but T-Mo doesn't have any other phones I want. My Touch 4G is hideous and I don't want another QWERTY like the G2.
So did I just end up with another dud Vibrant or is there a fix? Would rooting fix my problems? This phone has never been rooted or hacked in any way.
Any ideas???

Short answer: Yes.
Short but longer answer: At least install a LagFix. I got back and forth between stock JI6 and Fusion 1.1 a lot. JI6 with a custom kernel and LagFix is butter. Fusion is even better.
You may have a dud though. I haven't had that many problems except for things I did myself.

atvman29 said:
I got my first Vibrant on launch day with high hopes. Two weeks later I had a new one due the phone freezing EVERY time I opened Google Maps. I've held on to this one now waiting for a GPS fix and JI6 worked great for me....for about the first week. Now its just as bad as ever.
I get an initial fix much quicker, but after about five minutes it loses GPS signal completely and indefinitely. In the past week my phone has begun freezing AGAIN, including three times today alone. Two of the times I would go to unlock my phone and nothing would happen. The screen would remain off, softkeys wouldn't light up, and a long press on the power button does nothing. I have to pull the battery out and reboot.
This is incredibly frustrating because this phone takes nearly 5 minutes to boot (never actually timed it but I have to imagine somewhere close to that). So its a long wait before I can do what I intended to do. I did notice that Shopsavvy was sucking on the GPS signal when I rebooted the phone so perhaps that's what was secretly crashing it (Needless to say, ShopSavvy got the boot after the second freeze).
I've tried uninstalling and re-installing the Maps updates w/ no change. I would bring the phone back but T-Mo doesn't have any other phones I want. My Touch 4G is hideous and I don't want another QWERTY like the G2.
So did I just end up with another dud Vibrant or is there a fix? Would rooting fix my problems? This phone has never been rooted or hacked in any way.
Any ideas???
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I did not know what a real smartphone was supposed to be until I rooted and custom rom(ed) it.
For the first 3 months I had the phone... I was reluctant to root. But ofcourse... It was just another phone... laggy and slow...
Until I rooted and installed Bionix. Now its smooth as butter.
Good things in life are always free. I paid for a suffocated phone... xda developers free services released and refreshed my phone.

Well
I would install Fusion 1.1 with the Core kernel from Sombionix and see if that fixes it. Stock is totally unacceptable.
If it stills sucks, its likely a dud.

You must either be getting dud phones, or you're installing some app that's messing them up(?) I'm stock/unrooted, and very happy. Not that I doubt the happy results reported by folx like those above, but I don't have bothersome "lag" or freezing etc. -- no issues that even tempt me to ROM-swap (I wouldn't have kept the phone if I weren't satisfied w/it stock).
My GPS did used to lose signal as you report; haven't given it a good comparison test since JI6 update.

Well I've rooted using OCLF and also applied the lag fix. No change.
I still find the phone dead 2-3 times a day with no warning. I'll go to wake it up and nothing happens.
Some of you think installing a new ROM with help? How can I do that? The one time I tried using ODIN, it was never able to identify my phone.
Ugh, why can't this POS just work.

atvman29 said:
Well I've rooted using OCLF and also applied the lag fix. No change.
I still find the phone dead 2-3 times a day with no warning. I'll go to wake it up and nothing happens.
Some of you think installing a new ROM with help? How can I do that? The one time I tried using ODIN, it was never able to identify my phone.
Ugh, why can't this POS just work.
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Did you make sure you had the Samsung USB Driver for the Vibrant? If you don't Odin won't recognize your phone. Also important to have a newer version of Odin. Like I have 1.7. And last as Odin is a little troublesome, you should have Odin up and running before you connect your phone. Read the Bible in the Dev section for links.

1) Could be a dud, it happens
2) When I first got my Vibrant, it boots up so fast. Its because there are hardly any apps installed that as part of the boot up process, go and check on. I think it has to do with the cache, because once you load it up with apps, the time it takes to get to the home screen is noticeably longer.
Also ShopSavvy is a bit wonky with the gps, so I disabled that setting in the app. But my though is you might have a bad app installed or something funky on the internal/sd memory that its fighting with. I'd say as something to just try for kicks, backup everything, copy memory to your pc, wipe the memory and do a factory reset(You could odin to stock, but you'll lose the Sims app). If things work, slowly add your apps back in.
As for gps, yes before the update it just wouldn't lock or would take forever, but still not be very accurate. After the update(but then also after alot of flashing different roms, then finally just going back to stock), gps works like a champ. But I would also point out that gps is vulnerable to several things. Don't place the phone near any large metal or magnetic object, this will throw the compass off. And always try to have a clear view of the sky, without being in a 'canyon' of buildings. The buildings distort the signal(which in the case of gps is just a signal that tells the time) and can throw off the reading(which is where the a in agps is supposed to come in).

[Q] Is the 'suspend process' issue truly a mystery?

I have searched through XDA and read all the threads regarding the 'suspend process' issue. The specific issue is outlined in Issue # 11126 on the Google Code/Android project home...
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=11126
I am trying to get to the bottom of this, as best as possible. For all intents and purposes, this really appears to be a mystery. Ultimately, it appears as though there is (currently) absolutely no specific reason a to why 'suspend' runs wild until the device is rebooted.
My question is (I know we can all only speculate):
Is there any chance that this could be Google account-specific?
The reason I ask is, I've been doing some "testing," just to try and make sense of this for myself. Here is what I've done/come across thus far...
- My fiancee's first MT4G was a black one manufactured in Taiwan. It had the inferior LCD-SH-C2 screen. Her battery was draining VERY quickly - i.e. before noon, without using the phone for much else other than texting.
- I enabled USB Debugging for her, to "rule out" the init process issue.
- Even though she only had Handcent, Facebook and Angry Birds installed, I removed all of them, leaving only Watchdog.
- I factory reset her phone, twice.
- For all of the above, the device was not rooted. I have since rooted her phone via the steps in this thread.
I'm in the process of creating a new Gmail account for her, exporting ONLY her contacts and then using that account for her new MT4G (Plum) that's scheduled to arrive today. I'm actually thinking of NOT using her new Gmail account at first though, so I can use her original Google account on this new, clean device and see if the suspend issue persists.
I might just be wasting my time, but I enjoy doing this and I don't think it's a complete waste to try and find SOME constant here. Am I nuts for thinking it's tied to the Google account? The Google account seems to be a black box of sorts. There is more than just contacts, apps and settings, yet there is no "window" into everything else that comes down - e.g. I can't log in to Gmail and "configure" it to not restore her wallpaper or WiFi settings. So that's why I say it's a black box of sorts, since it's doing more in the background than we have control over.
Nothing is truly random, at least not in the context of Android and the hardware affected. There has to be some reason why users of various devices, either do or do not experience this issue. Whether it's a specific action or the something that differs between one person's action vs. another person's, there has to be SOMETHING that's triggering this on her device, yet never triggers it on mine. I guess I'm just trying to flush everything out and hope that discussing it will help rule out/rule specific variables.

Let me know what you find. This is driving me crazy! I charge my phone at night, so when I head to work it's at 100%. By the time I'm heading home (4-430pm)... the phone is around 15% battery.
Watchdog tells me suspend ranges from 5%-49% at any given time. I've never had suspend drop below 5% except on fresh reboot. I've noticed, though, after a reboot that the suspend process will slowly work its way back up to using lots of CPU cycles (it starts at, say, .2%, then 10 minutes later its 3%... 30 minutes later its 5%... an hour later its 9%). Battery just gets hotter and hotter due to this.
I'll be checking back to see what you find! Thanks!

mwelliott said:
Let me know what you find. This is driving me crazy! I charge my phone at night, so when I head to work it's at 100%. By the time I'm heading home (4-430pm)... the phone is around 15% battery.
Watchdog tells me suspend ranges from 5%-49% at any given time. I've never had suspend drop below 5% except on fresh reboot. I've noticed, though, after a reboot that the suspend process will slowly work its way back up to using lots of CPU cycles (it starts at, say, .2%, then 10 minutes later its 3%... 30 minutes later its 5%... an hour later its 9%). Battery just gets hotter and hotter due to this.
I'll be checking back to see what you find! Thanks!
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According to XDA and Issue #11126, you're not alone.
What's really bugging me is that neither my first MT4G, nor its 1st replacement or its 2nd replacement, have ever done this. My fiancee's first phone did this. She is now using my 2nd replacement while she waits for hers to arrive (today). So a device that never exhibited this issue, over the course of at least a week of normal-for-me use, started exhibiting this issue for my fiancee maybe a day or so after using the phone.
I thought I had "solved" it when I didn't see it crop up the first day she used my replacement phone. She was quick to let me know I was incorrect.
So I've got serious pressure here - all of my MT4G's haven't exhibited the out of control 'suspend process' issue while I was using the devices, but with her, it does. <queue the jokes>
We own our own business, so we're in the same room all day long while we use our phones. I was the first to tell her, "it's something you're doing." I'm only repeating myself by saying that I blamed it on an app she installed or something she "did" to cause it. After factory resetting, what...2, 3 times...I'm starting to forget; after checking the apps that are installed (and removing all of them); after verifying every setting from USB Debugging, screen brightness, account sync, etc. I seem to at least be able to say, "every single setting, shortcut, widget, app or usage pattern, does not produce the issue on any device I have used with my Google account, whereas it does with my fiancee."
That's the most difficult part to get absolute - the usage pattern. She's doing such basic things though, but I know that even the slightest of difference can produce different results.
I will most certainly report my results, futile or not.

The only common denominator I've noticed so far is that it only affects Sense UI devices.

Chadastrophic said:
The only common denominator I've noticed so far is that it only affects Sense UI devices.
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That seems to be the constant, to a degree. I'm seeing people state that they're having this issue on anything from the Samsung Galaxy S (i9000) to a Nexus running Cyanogen 6.1. That's people stating it though, so I'm not sure if they're actually experiencing the same issue or not.
I am biting my tongue, but I think I found another common denominator...I am going to post back in a coupla days once I've seen it last for this entire week.

hi,
i'm running cyanogenmod 6.1 on a desire hd and have been experiencing the suspend process problem exactly as described in this thread a nubmer of times now over the last week. so its definately not limited to devices running sense.
the only circumstances this behavior hasnt shown is when running 2g only with all other sorts of communications and sync off

zero_oli said:
hi,
i'm running cyanogenmod 6.1 on a desire hd and have been experiencing the suspend process problem exactly as described in this thread a nubmer of times now over the last week. so its definately not limited to devices running sense.
the only circumstances this behavior hasnt shown is when running 2g only with all other sorts of communications and sync off
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Yeah, it didn't seem 100% related to devices running Sense, so thanks for posting back to this.
My fiancee was experiencing this across her first two MT4G devices and has yet to experience the issue on her third and final MT4G. I want to see it run the rest of the week though before I share, but the issue did pop-up for her pretty much within 24-48 hours on her first two MT4G's.

Shlongwoodian: I have been following your posts as the "suspend" process has been affecting me since I received my phone the first day available. However, I am reluctant to send for a replacement as all else is great on the unit I have and there seems no gaurantee that a new phone fixes this issue.
I have tried Tmo and HTC and both seem clueless; therefore, I appreciate your research and look forward to any "fix" short of waiting for Gingerbread.

Anyone have any wisdom to pass on? This issue is driving me crazy! I've noticed it most on my black MT4G (w/the good screen) after browsing the web, youtube or using the media player. My wife's red MT4G (w/the inferior screen) has had no issues and her battery is amazing! The first day she got her phone her battery lasted 24 hours without even conditioning it! Granted she doesn't use it like I do mine, but it is still a huge difference. When this issue comes up on mine, I'm dead within 3-4 hours. I have Watchdog set so when it alerts me I just soft reset. That clears it up until it decides to come back at random intervals. It usually doesn't come back until I open the browser, etc. With as much as I use my phone (I am constantly on the road), it becomes a major pain to have to constantly monitor battery life. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

Man, I am sorry to report that I gots nothin'. Ok, here was my original theory...
I was speculating that "something" inside the Google/Gmail account was the cause. My reasoning being, essentially, your info is stored in a database. When you get an Android device, that online database is synced locally with the phone's database. We each have different databases and there is more than just your apps, Market links, contacts, etc. I never exhibited the /suspend issue on phones that she experienced the /suspend issue on. I figured it was database-specific.
If a table contains a value, or rather, does not contain a specific value (or if columns are missing, etc.), it can cause an application to respond in a negative way. Sometimes, this causes an error to bubble up in an application. Other times, it doesn't. In my experience, I've seen much more subtle issues in databases, that don't cause errors or a crash, but instead just cause "undesirable results."
When my fiancee got her final, good replacement Plum Glacier, we started with a completely new Google account. We thought we nailed it, when a handful of days passed without seeing /suspend get out of control, leading to Android System and/or OS sucking down battery life. I think it was nearly a week into it and one day while she was out, she realized she lost battery life really quickly - i.e. left the house with 90% and by the time she got to the store, shopped for a bit and looked, her phone was down to like 30-40%. She knows how to check for /suspend and it was, of course, back.
It's still not something that can be completely ruled out, since it's not a very air-tight test. There could be something about my Google account (which I've had pretty much since Gmail beta was available) that's keeping me (and others like me) from getting it or that idea could be crap.
For some reason, I have never, ever seen this happen on my Glacier(s) running stock 2.2.1. Phones that I never saw the issue on, she saw the issue on. There is so much speculation around it, but it just seems like "some people" don't experience it and "some people" do. It's all over different devices, different skill levels, etc. No apps, same apps, whatever and it happens to some but not others.
Sorry to get anyone's hopes up. I'll keep looking for differences/similarities though and if I find anything at all I'll - or if anyone else finds anything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds (yes, we've tested the 'rock' and it doesn't appear to suffer from the /suspend issue) - post it here.

Thanks for trying! It was a good theory. So . . . now what? Is there any way to get this ranked higher with Google, HTC, etc. to get more people working on it? It is really driving me nuts! It mainly happens after I use the web browser, then put the phone on standby for some reason. I can't even use the browser any more without needing to reboot it to save battery life. There is another thread, but specifically for the Evo and I think one for the Nexus one, all with the same problem. What if a new thread were started that is not device specific? That way we can get more people to star it and maybe Google or whoever will pay more attention to it! I would hate to think that we are stuck with this problem until when and if we get upgraded to 2.3. I would suggest rooting and flashing a new ROM, but even those with custom ROM's are having the same problem, so that's not going to help. Thoughts???

jpiano said:
It mainly happens after I use the web browser, then put the phone on standby for some reason.
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It truly is a mystery to this day. I've seen people say, "it happened right after I installed Handcent" or "it happens as soon as I do..." No one has come up with any concrete evidence thus far.
My fiancee has Handcent, I have Handcent. I used Handcent heavily, never had an issue. She stopped using Handcent - still has the issue. We've gotten so granular in our troubleshooting, we're literally tracking every step. LOL i.e. I pressed the trackpad to wake the phone, once; I unlocked the phone, I swiped my thumb once to view my Watchdog Widget on the screen to the left of my homescreen, etc., etc., etc.
So, for now, we just wait? My phone (and all previous phones) have been just fine. My fiancee however...yeah, I'm trying to find a fix pretty quickly.

One common theme that I've seen with this issue is that it only happens after I put the phone to sleep. I have never seen it crop up while actually using the phone. Maybe we're going about it the wrong way in trying to identify an app, etc that's causing the problem... perhaps it is simply the code involved in putting the phone to sleep and that's why there hasn't been any consistency with what one does to make it appear. In your experience, have you ever seen or heard of it showing up while the phone is being used? Perhaps it's just on mine that it works that way, but I thought it was worth mentioning. I know nothing about code or how android works so please forgive the noob comment if this is an obvious one. Merry Christmas!

I've got this problem big time. Returned my first phone because I thought it was the phone. First few days were good but lately its back and as bad as ever. First thoughts were angry birds twitter or wifi but I have no idea. If I can't figure this out I might have to sell this phone.
I will try to post some more thoughts. I think you're onto some good ideas here.
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(Re-posting from the developer's Google blog where others are following this issue): Interesting about using the phone without a Google account. Not sure if this is relevant or not, but I've noticed something else with consistency. Granted I wasn't able to document the behavior through system panel at the time, but this has consistently happened. When suspend goes crazy, I can get it to stop simply by charging the phone! Even if I charge the phone for a few seconds, then unplug, it stays dormant without having to reboot. Noob speaking here but perhaps the part of android that actually logs the battery usage is suspending when the phone goes to sleep? When it us charging, this log is reset and clears the process from running. If this is even possible, then could someone write an app that clears this system log? Maybe by mimicking what happens when the phone is charging, we can at least temporarily clear the issue without the need tovl reboot? Again, I know nothing about all this so sorry if this is all irrelevant. Just sharing what I've noticed to be consistent. Thoughts??
Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!

jpiano said:
Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!
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I wonder if you're on to something with the SD card. I've been thinking I haven't seen the suspend issue return on my phone in quite a while. I just realized that the only thing I've really changed is installed a new 16 gb SD card. Since then, no suspend process problems. For those who are having the problem still, I wonder if removing or formatting their cards would show any improvement? Worth a shot if at least to eliminate another possible factor.
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That's cool that this thread is flushing out other ideas and possible variables. I like the idea of connecting it to the charger for a couple of seconds, but my fiancee is so used to just rebooting her phone each morning and sometimes again by mid-day, that it's easier for her to do just that.
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Even if I charge the phone for a few seconds, then unplug, it stays dormant without having to reboot.
Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!
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I like the microSD Card notion. This is such a weird issue, that it's so easily associated with other items - e.g. applications, usage patterns, etc. This seems feasible though, but the only way to know for sure is to reproduce it. My fiancee experiences the suspend issue daily, if she doesn't reboot regularly. So, I should be able to take her microSD card and use it in my phone and get the suspend issue. I don't want to 'muddy' up by swapping microSD cards, so I'll try reformatting her card and see if that makes any difference. She usually sees the issue within 24-48 hours of a fresh boot, so it shouldn't be long before we see if that fixes it or not. I can check the card for errors, etc. as well.
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I just realized that the only thing I've really changed is installed a new 16 gb SD card. Since then, no suspend process problems.
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I'll be upgrading to a 16 GB Class 10 soon, so I can give her my Samsung if need be. I'd really like to see if this is it though. It would explain the "some people get it and some people don't" pattern.

I also noticed that the minute I plug the phone in the problem goes away. Not sure why, just confirming it happens to me too. I also should note that when I returned my phone, they popped my old SD card into my new phone. So if there is an SD card issue with a corupt file/photo that could be something as well. I wonder woody if your girlfriends phone has had the same SD card after how many times did you say you traded it in? BTW, a side note, how did you exchange it so many times? After I took mine back to the store on day 14 they told me I wasn't able to exchange it again.
I do have a 16GB SD card but just haven't had time to install it. Wanted to double check which things I need on the new one from the old one, but it might be a good way to test this issue. Let me know some ideas before I swap the cards and maybe I can help test this.
Also, one more thing, what is the app you're using to log stuff? I'm just using Watchdog Lite right now.
I've got to figure this out or this is a dealbreaker for me. I have waited 3 years to upgrade phones, first time on Android, really wanted iPhone but wanted to stick with month to month from TMob. If this continues I think I will move to Windows Phone 7 or iPhone if I have to, but I really like this phone when the battery is not draining like a leech.
Thanks.

werk,
Just wondering what process you went through when you upgraded SD cards. Did you copy any files over to the new one or just start blank?
Thanks.

royhobbs said:
werk,
Just wondering what process you went through when you upgraded SD cards. Did you copy any files over to the new one or just start blank?
Thanks.
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Just straight copied the existing files over from the old card to new one (new one in phone connected via USB, old card in SD adapter in my laptops SD card slot). I think some Angry Birds files didn't make it due to long paths, but reinstalled it and no problems since then.

Weird issues popped up recently

So, my phone has been running fine for weeks (it was at I think like 600+ hours uptime before I had to reboot it for the first time two days ago). I'm running Apex 1.4.1, with no custom modifications. I was using it one day, then a little later it just started freezing for several seconds anytime I tried to do anything, then unfreezing for a couple seconds, then freezing, etc. I rebooted it, then it was fine for a little while. Then I was texting someone back and forth for an hour or so, and all of a sudden it stopped sending my messages. I rebooted, and it was able to send again. Now today apparently she isn't getting them again, because she asked the same question I already replied to, over an hour later (I mean, she could have just not seen the reply, but with the other recent problems I'm not betting on it...).
Has anyone seen issues like this? Also, come to think of it, Yahoo Mail has been acting just retarded...it keeps disabling status bar notifications on its own (twice so far), but regardless, when it IS notified, it's not letting me know when I get new emails, I have to go in and look. My batteries been dying a LOT faster, and my data usage has been steadily climbing over the last couple days (I haven't downloaded anything, and my normal usage recently has only been very basic) and I have a feeling Yahoo Mail has been constantly trying to connect but failing, except for when I manually go into it? But that's just a guess.
This is all just bugging me, so any suggestions would be helpful. I can just backup my needed apps, wipe and re-flash Apex, but if anyone has any other suggestions I would love to hear them. Thanks

Well I think you went wrong when you didn't shut it off for over 600 hours. Did you really need it to be on at that time? Even at night?
But anyway that's just my rant. Reflashing apex would be a good place to start. And make sure you just wipe everything. If that doesn't work, you may want to go completely back to stock and then back to apex

So you're saying this OS is not as stable as Windows? Because I've had Windows OS's stay running for months without issue. Gee, if Android isn't is good as Windows, maybe I should look into getting a WP7 phone... /sarcasm
If there aren't issues, then there's no reason to turn off your phone. Shutting it down at night is good if you don't want to charge it, but it really shouldn't be a requirement unless if Android isn't ready for prime-time (and no, I'm not saying that's the case). I had an issue, I rebooted, I had another issue, I rebooted, I had ANOTHER issue, rebooted, and so far it's been good since yesterday afternoon.
I really think it was the Yahoo Mail app though I don't know why it would have prevented sending text messages... I did a force stop, cleared it's data, removed it, rebooted, and then reinstalled the app. So far, it's been working OK from what I can tell. The data usage has slowed, battery life seems to be good again, and I'm getting notified of new Yahoo emails.

Actually I am not at all concerned with the software. I was talking about the hardware. Would you leave your computer running for 600+ hours?

Like I said, I have. My file server (Windows Server 2003) has been running (except for a few brief shutdowns for hardware upgrades/swaps) for over 2 years. My main PC (Windows 7) has been running, for the most part, except for a few times when I just felt like shutting it down, for probably the last 6 months.

Ok well if it works for you, then great keep doing it. But I'm just saying, as a computer guy, that is just a general bad idea

Nice to know, but I'm also a "computer guy" (professionally) and as a rule of thumb I keep my office computer on 24/7/365, as well as my home computers.

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Nice to know, but I'm also a "computer guy" (professionally) and as a rule of thumb I keep my office computer on 24/7/365, as well as my home computers.
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Since you are a computer guy, could you please explain how there aren't any adverse effects on your hardware from keeping it running? Primarily on the cpu and fans? No chance you could burn something out?

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Actually I am not at all concerned with the software. I was talking about the hardware. Would you leave your computer running for 600+ hours?
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Why would you shut it off? I don't think leaving it on all the time is the issue. why shut your cell phone off? I think that's stupid. Then again I'm a midnighter so I guess things are different for me. I never shut off my cell phone or PC.

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Since you are a computer guy, could you please explain how there aren't any adverse effects on your hardware from keeping it running? Primarily on the cpu and fans? No chance you could burn something out?
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It's designed to run like that. I'm a big PC guy as well. I do a few custom builds here and there. Seriously turning it off and on all the time it going to cause more damage (especially to your HDD) then keeping it on all the time. It's like a car being in stop and go traffic versus highway mileage. I think the last time I shut my PC off was around Christmas cause I had to reformat and couldn't get it done before I went to work so since my network wasn't up yet no reason to keep it on.

Computers aren't like cars..."gunk" and "sludge" (and yes, I'm getting these highly technical terms from TV because I know crap about cars) don't build up in computers. Pieces wear out, sure. But that can happen just as easily from frequent turning on and off. Like I said, my two computers at home stay on almost constantly, and I don't exactly dust or vacuum frequently. The last thing I had to replace was in my gaming PC, and that was the video card since it was two years old and couldn't play Crysis 2 well enough.

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Computers aren't like cars..."gunk" and "sludge" (and yes, I'm getting these highly technical terms from TV because I know crap about cars) don't build up in computers. Pieces wear out, sure. But that can happen just as easily from frequent turning on and off. Like I said, my two computers at home stay on almost constantly, and I don't exactly dust or vacuum frequently. The last thing I had to replace was in my gaming PC, and that was the video card since it was two years old and couldn't play Crysis 2 well enough.
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I don't know much about cars either. Maybe I wasn't using the correct tone, but I actually agree with you. Like I had said in my post I keep my machines running 24/7 usually same with cell phone. I don't know crap about cars either the only reason I used the comparison is that wear and tear from city driving or stop and go traffic (when compared to turning your pc on and off frequently) is worse than freeway or long distance without stop driving (as referring to keeping your PC on) So yea we are pretty much saying the same thing

Hey thank you for explaining it to me this way. I never thought of it like that. You are probably right. Excuse me for just one more question though: would keeping it on all the time actually end up using more power than you would if you kept it off?

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Hey thank you for explaining it to me this way. I never thought of it like that. You are probably right. Excuse me for just one more question though: would keeping it on all the time actually end up using more power than you would if you kept it off?
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Well...yeah, obviously. But if someone tries to call me in the middle of the night for an emergency, and I don't get the call because my phone was off, well, that would suck. But with Apex, I've went to sleep on, for instance, 80% battery, woke up, and the battery still said 80%. As for my computers, well, yeah, that costs me a little more per month, but it's not breaking my bank, so it doesn't bother me.

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I don't know much about cars either. Maybe I wasn't using the correct tone, but I actually agree with you. Like I had said in my post I keep my machines running 24/7 usually same with cell phone. I don't know crap about cars either the only reason I used the comparison is that wear and tear from city driving or stop and go traffic (when compared to turning your pc on and off frequently) is worse than freeway or long distance without stop driving (as referring to keeping your PC on) So yea we are pretty much saying the same thing
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Lol Sorry, I wasn't referring to your posts (we just both happened to use car references).

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Hey thank you for explaining it to me this way. I never thought of it like that. You are probably right. Excuse me for just one more question though: would keeping it on all the time actually end up using more power than you would if you kept it off?
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Yea but honestly if your pc isn't super holy **** beast mode it isn't going to be that noticeable. I have a nice higher-end PC and it isn't that bad on my bill.

[Q] Maps problem - software or hardware?

Hello all,
I have tried searching this forum and have found various similar threads but none quite the same.
I used to use the gps on my hd2 quite a lot, both in windows mobile running copilot, and in android with google maps. But recently, I can no longer use it. If i open google maps or navigation i will get anywhere between 2 seconds and 2 minutes and then the phone will freeze completely, even if i dont use anything just having the program running is enough. I installed gvSIG mini maps and that does not work well either, it either freezes or simply never returns any search results.
The thing that is making me feel it is possibly hardware related is that it worked perfectly for a long time, the phone is about 18 months old now. I have tried various roms (the one i am using just now is Android 2.3.4 - HyperDroid-CM7-v2.1.0-HeadyHoneybadger) and it makes no difference; with the exception of the gps/maps the phone is very stable and I am perfectly happy with it. I have tried using setcpu to lower the processor speed in case this was being caused by heat, but no difference. I am considernig reinstalling a Windows Mobile build and testing the gps from there.
Any thoughts?
Regards
Stuart

quite probably just an android issue, go back to winmo6.5 and see if it does it then, if it does hardware if it doesnt you know its android

I would agree with what Richy99 said to go back to Windows 6.5 and check. I am currently on the same Pongster build you are on and do not experience any freezing of the phone you describe. In fact, I am using an optimized gps.conf file for my area and get locks in 2-20 seconds from a cold start now and used the gps navigation for hours while traveling without issues. I suspect it is something hardware related.

Thanks for the responses.
So, I reinstalled Windows Mobile 6.5 downloaded from the HTC website. Clean install, opened google maps, seemed ok for a few minutes, then i went into the menu and ticked 'Use GPS', then it worked maybe a minute and froze up completely and the phone restarted. tried this about half a dozen times got maximum a minute use each time.
Given that the phone is always pretty stable except when trying to use gps/maps, I would guess that the hardware fault lies in that part of the phone. How long as HTC warranties? The phone is 16 months old now so it doesnt look good but never mine
Will contact HTC on the off chance anyway!
Cheers
Stuart

Small update, contacted O2 and they gave me a freepost address to send it back to for repair (a company called A NOVO i think it was), about a week later I got it back, they enclosed a letter saying that they have replaced the main circuit board inside the phone. So, same old case, scratches and all, but its like a new phone, new IMEI number and everything, normal service resumed! Full marks to O2 customer service and the repair company.

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quite probably just an android issue, go back to winmo6.5 and see if it does it then, if it does hardware if it doesnt you know its android
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prob 70-80% of HD2 Android users getting this freeze problem.
this is reply i just sent to another thread....:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1088693&page=3
Well, I been having the freeze issues with namd forever, with every build, every sd card etc....especially if i turn gps or data on or both.
So, for last 36 hours, i thought i'd do a lil simple test.
Downloaded win mobile stock ROM......36 hours stressing the heck outta my phone, toggling everything on and off etc. guess what...NO FREEZE.
So, in my opinion, 100% NOT hardware, definitely Android hd2 related.
Matt