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It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Source: Engadget
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o
maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
khaytsus said:
The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.
if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.
So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.
What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true
i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!
I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
I like the iPhone screen, but would take a 4" screen with a couple less pixels over a 3.5" screen with more pixels. I haven't seen the SGS screen yet, but have heard that colours seem fake on it.
jingkailim said:
I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
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The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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I like the screen... and ive got the same wallpaper on my phone that i have on my PC and the colours on the x10 are sooooo much better than on my LCD. Witch kinda sucks for my monitor but good for the phone lol
Mr Patchy Patch said:
The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
Daniel_GB said:
Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
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Right on...thanks for the info. I was thinking it was super amoled for whatever reason. Not an iphone/apple fan, so I don't really pay much attention to what they have....couldn't really care to be honest either lol.
It will be interesting to see what the X10 can do when we get 16 millions colors.
iPhone 4: IPS panel, superior color accuracy to other types, best viewing angles. The 4's display, as we all know, has the highest resolution (too high for my tastes) and true 16-bit color, around 1000:1 static contrast ratio (excellent).
X10: TN panel (most likely), at best 16.2 million dithered colors, decent viewing angles, decent contrast (nowhere near the iPhone 4).
Samsung Galaxy S: Pentile SAMOLED. Pentile is an awful technology that pretty much ruins most of the good in SAMOLED. The Galaxy S has outstanding contrast (50,000:1), insane blacks (as good as high end plasma TVs), and remarkable viewing angles (slightly better than the iPhone 4), but Pentile makes reading small text a headache for some. I kept seeing a slight "screen-door" effect with normal sized text too. Read up on the color inaccuracy of Pentile displays, and why the Galaxy S is not a TRUE 480x800 resolution phone.
Overall, in my view, the Droid/Droid X (haven't seen it in person though) and iPhone 4 have the best display with the LEAST compromises. The Galaxy S' blacks are sick though --too bad black isn't a color!
I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have had both and I would agree that the Captivate is better when viewing photos or video. When viewing text though, I disagree. I much prefer the X10 for text (email, sms, web browsing, etc.).
I played with a Vibrant today at a Bell store what i noticed was that the blacks are indeed very good, the thing is though that the whites suck they are kind of blue not really white, in matter of fact there is quite a bit blueish tint going on.. The colors are very colorful lol but not real at all they are way oversaturated if thats the word. Also i can see the pixels from a mile away lol. Anyway the screen is nice to look at but its unrealistic and is bad for reading any kind of text wich i do quite a bit more than watching videos. Also the X10 screen looks bigger because the Vibrant's screen is a little wider and i dont really like that. My overall thought on the Vibrant is that it felt kind of cheap in my hand and also ugly. If it wasnt for the screen that pops out at you i doubt anyone wouldve paid attention to this phone even with the hummingbird cpu and the 512ram.
I heard that only at first Htc used Amoled display for Legend, and later on Super lcd. How to check the type of our scrren (display)?
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read the specs on back of the white box the legend was in
I just know about AMOLED Devices.
The switch from AMOLED to SuperLCD has been done at the Desire and as far as I know not on the Legend
I am very satisfied with display on Legend. Is there any significant difference (better or worse) with S-LCD?
well i compared it with a SLCD htc desire and i think the AMOLED is much better
Legend only uses AMOLED anyway, don't worry about it
S-LCD almost the same that amoled, only maybe contrast have some little difference
if i'm not mistaken
s-lcd
Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire
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Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire
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Note though that the Desire AMOLED had a PenTile arrangement which seems to account for the marked difference in the shift to SLCD. The Legend's AMOLED screen uses a conventional RGB arrangement so probably wouldn't have suffered the same comparisons had it also moved to SLCD.
This page has a good breakdown of the differences.
http://jtra.cz/stuff/android/htc/desire-vs-legend/display/index.html
Yes, you are all right. I have bought desire z and I can see the difference. S-lcd is much sharper, but amoled has much better contrast - black is really black
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Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...
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Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...
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Oh, Thanks ! Is that the simple way to tell ?
My new Virgin Mobile Canada Legend's box says AMOLED but I think the box is lying. Wonder if I can sue somebody, LOL, jk. I guess HTC may be at partial fault too since their spec page claims AMOLED: http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
I recall some article quoting an HTC rep saying the "backward" move to LCD would save power, but then tests (and common tech sense?) showed that was a lie. I originally was disappointed at the loss of AMOLED, but from what I've read though, I'd prefer LCD if given the choice, simply due to the better legibility. On the down side, LCD takes more power, doesn't have the deeper blacks and colors, and may be a bit harder to see in the bright outdoors.
Bell supposedly dropped the Legend because of the AMOLED supply issue. AFAIK all of the later (after last summer or there-abouts ?) Legends are LCD. Would be nice if we could tell via serial numbers or something.
My Legend's colors start going weird somewhere around 170 degrees or so (just a rough guess). So I guess I have LCD ?
You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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With the screen on and white, right ? I tried this with a jewelers loupe and see lines about twice as high vertically as horizontaly (with the phone speaker up and mike down). It looks like there are thin red lines and thicker green lines that are somewhat blue-ish.
Would there be any difference in device drivers loaded ? I see a driver in dmesg with "oled" in the name.
This microscope diagnostic method will not work on Legend and it has an RGB matrix - the Desire LED had pentile matrix.
All you have to do is display a mostly black screen (the android settings menu is a good example), find a dark environment and look at the display. An SLCD will seep light from black areas where an LED will be an almost perfect black.
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i have legend with amoled my friend have desire (i guess it lcd)
i can notice his display has slight better screen in the menu like smoother or something but on the legend view aspect is higher than on the desire....
both of them are good
"The Korean company’s yet to be launched AH-IPS display for mobile devices, just received the prestigious Quality & Performance Mark from Intertek – a global testing and certification company. What’s particularly important about this award for LG, is that it has been achieved by comparing its display with no other but Samsung Galaxy SII’s Super AMOLED screen."---gsmarena blog
Are you excited about this ?? Do you believe its going to beat Samsung's SUPER AMOLED HD.
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"The Korean company’s yet to be launched AH-IPS display for mobile devices, just received the prestigious Quality & Performance Mark from Intertek – a global testing and certification company. What’s particularly important about this award for LG, is that it has been achieved by comparing its display with no other but Samsung Galaxy SII’s Super AMOLED screen."---gsmarena blog
Are you excited about this ?? Do you believe its going to beat Samsung's SUPER AMOLED HD.
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they are saying an IPS display beats an advanced AMOLED display
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Yes, Im very excited about this but we would only see this on LG's phones or on the Iphone5.. I do hope its gonna beat Samsung's SAMOLED HD!
If there is anything which can outplay S-AMOLED Plus then I will be greatly happy. Don't wanna stick with Samsung frankly as I don't like them at all.
(I am not a fan boy of any brand btw)
Regards.
But you don't know how the SUPER AMOLED PLUS HD is going to look like, only time can tell you.
Even though AMOLED+ has gorgeous colours and blacks are jet black, OLED has a lot low life span compared to lcd, and the burn-in can be a problem, you just have to avoid static images, the status bar can be a problem, i have see pictures of the time burned into the screen.
No LCD will beat OLED technology and IPS is just LCD. Don't believe that.
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But you don't know how the SUPER AMOLED PLUS HD is going to look like, only time can tell you.
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I perfectly know what to expect with Super AMOLED Plus HD, its gonna have the same inherit issue as what the non HD counter part has, thought not all screen will be defective but pretty sure it will be at a higher rate than the non HD.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lgs-yet-to...assing-samsung-galaxy-siis-super-amoled-unit/
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color accuracy and power consumption
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which shouldn't be surprising at all. Everyone knows that SAMOLED is often oversaturated and burns power when showing whites.
Meanwhile super amoleds (as well as other OLEDs) still outclass LCDs in contrast, viewing angles, response times, color gamut, black levels, and thickness. SAMOLED is still better, and will always be.
You people are missing one point here LG's AH IPS display is a HD screen, whereas s2's amoled screen is not. THe award was won by LG because they were the first to launch HD display, now samsung has its own amoled hd display. So there should be direct comparison between 2 HD screens and not with s2's amoled+
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http://blog.gsmarena.com/lgs-yet-to...assing-samsung-galaxy-siis-super-amoled-unit/
The article states that the award pertains to which shouldn't be surprising at all. Everyone knows that SAMOLED is often oversaturated and burns power when showing whites.
Meanwhile super amoleds (as well as other OLEDs) still outclass LCDs in contrast, viewing angles, response times, color gamut, black levels, and thickness. SAMOLED is still better, and will always be.
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That's pretty old, meanwhile LG Nitro has incorporated that HD screen and a battery of 1830mAh.
Has anybody seen the battery life of that thing ? It's a piece of crap even if LG stated that it's more economical than the SA+
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-nitro-hd-completed-our-battery-trial-here-are-the-results-video/
I have heard report that the Evo 4G Lte doesnt have the same display like the HTC One X. Instead of the SLCD 2,The Evo 4G Lte is using the IPS display with a 1280 x 720p HD resolution. So is The IPS display better or not?
Can you link your source?
SLCD2 is an IPS display and heres where hes pulling it from..
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-evo-4g-lte-hands-on-20120508/
There are some differences between IPS and SLCD2 if you want to get really technical but the fact here is the One X and the Evo 4G LTE have the same screens.
Don't be alarmed, as he ^ said, they are practically the same thing. In any case, here is a comparison of the two pulled from http://techlogg.com/2010/12/ips-vs-amoled-vs-slcd-smartphone-displays-explained/1877 that should dampen any doubt on the quality of an IPS screen:
SLCD – Super liquid-crystal display
LCD has been the mainstay for display panels from PDAs to notebooks to TVs over the last 15 years or so. What makes Super LCD so super is said to be improved light bleeding so that blacks actually look a bit more like black than they typically used to, giving better overall contrast. In comparisions with AMOLED, some reviews suggest that SLCD gives warmer colours than AMOLED. However, battery life appears to be worse with SLCD displays.
SLCD shouldn’t be confused with S-LCD, which is the name for the Samsung/Sony joint venture for manufacturing LCD panels.
Smartphone maker HTC began using SLCD panels in its Desire smartphones in August 2010 due to shortages in AMOLED panels from Samsung. If you have an early Desire, it’ll more likely have an AMOLED panel whereas those manufactured after August 2010 will have an SLCD panel instead.
IPS – In-plane switching
Apart from poor contrast ratios, the other issue with LCD panels is poor viewing angles. The further you move of the centre axis of an LCD panel, the worse the image becomes until you begin to see the reflected negative of that display. In-plane switching is a more expensive solution to the viewing angle problem by changing the direction in which the liquid crystal molecules move. So instead of the normal right-angle or perpendicular switching, IPS panels switch molecules in the same plane as the panel. It means light transmitted through the molecules can be seen at (almost) any angle.
IPS technology is most often used in LCD monitors – and usually at prices three times the going rate. It’s the technology behind Apple’s Retina display in the iPhone 4.
Sounds to me like IPS is a major upgrade from SLCD.
Not real thrilled about the battery life comment though...