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I recently found out (thanks to Cyanogen's Twitter) about Google's Android App Inventor and wanted to see what everyone thought about it? I think it's great in that more apps would theoretically be released, though of questionable quality. But also I'm wondering about the value of development using code, would this become more valuable as a result of laziness on the part of some developers? Or would its value decrease since it's easier to make an application now? I haven't actually used the program yet since I want to gain a firm grasp on actual coding but these questions were in the back of my mind since the invention of things other WYSIWYG eg Web Development.
I'm thinking this is a good thing, you can make apps on the go, for practically anything. It will continually get better, unless it crashes and burns because it floods the market and similar with ultra-****ty programs.
Later on Google will probably release some sort of testing program to run it through the hoops to see if it's good enough, or something like that.
Remember, it's still in beta
great great great, it means idiots like me will be able to solve some of our own niche needs*, that have as yet not be done.
*a special farty sound.
I'm disappointed it's not available for download now. I was all excited reading about it and then realised it's not even out yet.
It can only be a good thing and the app market can easily be changed to filter out the inevitable rubbish it will partly create. However a lot of useful and ingenious apps will also be created that wouldn't have been (like the one I will make).
I'm looking forward to it, there's a few things I want to make that aren't in the marketplace. Just wondering what sort of functionality we will be allowed, if I can make my own task manager/battery monitor widgets for example.
I like the idea too.
Hopefully this doesn't lead to a glutton of bad apps on the market!
Depending on how functional it is, we might never need the market ever again. Half an hour making your own app vs half an hour searching the market and trying half a dozen bloated ad-ridden apps.
Morghus said:
I'm thinking this is a good thing, you can make apps on the go, for practically anything. It will continually get better, unless it crashes and burns because it floods the market and similar with ultra-****ty programs.
Later on Google will probably release some sort of testing program to run it through the hoops to see if it's good enough, or something like that.
Remember, it's still in beta
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But its already pretty powerful... and bound to get better.
jimlad said:
great great great, it means idiots like me will be able to solve some of our own niche needs*, that have as yet not be done.
*a special farty sound.
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Yeah... But who knows, Maybe that TINY niche need is something else that someone might want to use and then that ends up bing a profitable app. Not because It makes a ton of dough, but because it was so quick and easy to make.
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I'm disappointed it's not available for download now. I was all excited reading about it and then realised it's not even out yet.
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
saj222 said:
I like the idea too.
Hopefully this doesn't lead to a glutton of bad apps on the market!
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This is always a potential. With ease of programming comes more apps, and with more apps comes more Bad apps. But if this helps one person make one useful app, its done its job.
I really hope to get good with this, and maybe have alot of community support here... this could very wellbe a powerful tool for noob developers.
IDK though, I wouldn't think anything could ever replace actually typing out code as opposed to using blocks which is what it seems like App Inventor does.
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
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Could you be a bit more specific on how you got the final 'my projects' section working?
i have installed everything.. and the final stage it requests my details (which i had previously filled in)
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
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When I login I get: "We will be granting access to App Inventor for Android over the coming weeks. Fill out this form (only your Gmail address is required) and we’ll have you building apps soon! While you are waiting feel free to read more about App Inventor and learn how it works."
Have been all over the http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ website and can't find any links to download or use tools. Am in the UK so maybe that is the problem.
Same here with me. Maybe they need to verify our info and then give us the links to download
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When I login I get: "We will be granting access to App Inventor for Android over the coming weeks. Fill out this form (only your Gmail address is required) and we’ll have you building apps soon! While you are waiting feel free to read more about App Inventor and learn how it works."
Have been all over the http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ website and can't find any links to download or use tools. Am in the UK so maybe that is the problem.
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Its in beta right now, so like most great Google things in their infancy it is invite only.
App inventor looks wicked, reminds me of Visual Basic only useful since it works on platforms besides Windows >
I think this is a progressive idea!
But hope the market stays as clean as possible with QA Apps!
I made a simple app (send an SMS).
- Made it using the app inventor : Apk file takes 1MB and once installed, the apps takes 3.5MB of space!!! (whitch cannot be moved to SD, even with Froyo)
- I made the same app "the normal way" with the android sdk and eclipse : the apk file takes 13KB and the installed app takes 20KB
I heard that when its released, all the apps will not be put on the market right away... in the future... maybe, but that'll prob be after Google makes a filter as to which apps can be put on the market. Not to mention, the Google $25 market upload fee will still apply, so even if Google doesn't filter, it won't completely flood the market.
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I made a simple app (send an SMS).
- Made it using the app inventor : Apk file takes 1MB and once installed, the apps takes 3.5MB of space!!! (whitch cannot be moved to SD, even with Froyo)
- I made the same app "the normal way" with the android sdk and eclipse : the apk file takes 13KB and the installed app takes 20KB
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I suppose it's to be expected. As with all tools of this type, you get ease and speed when developing but you also get a huge runtime when compiling.
Dragos
Aint normal IMO...
The compiler knows which objects it has to take in account when building the package.
I mean it's not a big deal to include only what is necessary...
Anyway, that size problem (added to some interface bugs i encountered) makes me believe that this project is far from being usable.
By now, the only use I'd make would be prototyping views on it.
It's in BETA for a reason.
Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
You answered your own question. Developers SELL (obtain money for their product) their apps. Free apps that include ads, the developer also gets money. It's just like youtube videos.
Surely Google must take commision as well??
Yeah, that's the goal
But face it, people are cheap...even for a $0.99 app! And that "super duper, can't live without it app" is all so elusive.
So developers will put out a limited or crippled version of their app for free in hopes that people will buy the full version.
Oh yeah Google takes their cut; it's pro-rated on the number of app sales you have.
Lookiing closely at other apps and focasing on one partiuclar app called Fotmob which I have purchased. It is a really good app that is for any football supportors out their giving details of a list of attributes such as, Live Scores - Fixtures - News - and Table..... Its probably the best football application Ive bought.
Now focasing on a a certain point on the development part of the app
1) Live Score's ... Gives a list of live playing games and their score line next to it. - Am curious on where the data comes from? Surely it isnt edited As games are played because that would be practically impossible to keep up to date therefore it must use a similar command such as a Fetch_arrey syntax. Now where would the user of FOTMOB Fetch the data from?? it must be a reliable known source such as BBC SPORTS / SKY SPORTS to keep its app up-to-date during the live games??
Is that right?
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Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
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It's not as black and white as that.
Firstly, you'd have to be an brilliant developer to get 250k+ downloads from a paid app. If you see an app like that, 9 times out of 10 it will be a company, not a single developer.
Secondly, 250k downloads is the amount of times an app has been downloaded, not the amount of times people have paid for it. e.g., around 40% of those downloads will be from people who refunded.
and lastly, Google take a ridiculous amount of money from you for each sale.
For example, my app sells for £2.00, but google takes £0.60 of that. It might not seem like a lot but it mounts up quickly.
So, 250k downloads isn't as much as you think if you start to look into it (but, it's still a hell of a lot for a single developer to get!!)
Well said Mellus.
And some of these so-called "great" apps are just fancy front ends pulling data off the net or a RSS feed.
As you might gather, I do not have a lot of respect for "this" (or "self"...programmer humor) type of developer.
P.S. if you don't get the programmer humor, "self" is Mac Objective C's "this" pointer.
I make $1,500 a month ( single dev )
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You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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rigman said:
You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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Yeah I'm just getting into app development as well. I've currently got an ADWTheme out on the market for $0.99, and I make ~$0.69 per sale. There is really a ton of potential for profit if you get into individual app development as long as you can make stuff that people want. When I first released my theme I was making ~$10 a day off of it. after a month or so it's died down to ~$2.5 - $5 daily, but another factor is that I haven't updated it in a while haha. If you can manage to keep all of your apps up-to-date and appealing, you will do well.
If you are really interested in developing applications for android I would recommended watching these videos: http://marakana.com/techtv/android_bootcamp_screencast_series.html They've seriously helped me out a LOT getting off the ground
Newklearx3 said:
About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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I would recommend Adobe Illustrator more than Photoshop for making graphics, at least it's what I prefer.
1. Make it look pretty
2. Make it fart
Yeah, nice LOL. Hey, if it sells, it sells. Wish I could write an app that sells thousands
I'm only a few months into development though, so it's "learn something new everyday" process. As the coding skills build, so will the quality of the apps....and hopefully sales.
Applications based on RFID concept?
Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
needless said:
Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
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I don't know about window mobile but check out corona SDK for developing.
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Don't know why it's so difficult to answer a simple question.
70% goes to the developer, the remaining 30% is distributed to the cell carrier (if the carrier is authorized to receive fees for apps purchased on the market.)
Wikipedia explains it in such a way that even the most simple minded of folk can understand. It sounds like a few of you should read up on that, as opposed to providing vague, meaningless "answers".
We are looking for an Android developer in or near Cologne/Germany.
To program an Android "geo" App. Knowledge in programming with GPS integration is necessary.
Details will be announced after a personal interview.
Thanks
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Thats really vague...
Is this a mapping application that requires knowledge of projections?
Internal and/or external (bluetooth) gps units?
Lakers16 said:
Thats really vague...
Is this a mapping application that requires knowledge of projections?
Internal and/or external (bluetooth) gps units?
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Hello lakers,
internal gps on motorola defy, it should use maps and interact with other devices.
By the way are you from germany.
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Im not in germany, so i probably cant help you. I just wanted to clarify your post.
I think most developers would like to know the features of the app before getting involved with it.
Things like "interact with other devices" is something that could take an hour or a hundred hours, depending on what the interaction is.
Also, "using maps" is pretty broad too. Do you have your own map cache data, that would need to be tiled and projected? Or would this be an extension of the already existing mapview that android provides?
Creating your own mapping engine is very time consuming, but may be necessary if the existing mapview doesnt have the capabilities you require
sorry, my poor description.
I am only the middle man to make contact with a programmer, and then to discuss anything further with the client. I can not discribe any deeper because of the competition. Only so much, it should be an app, similar to Zombie Run with real people / participants to interact.
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Hello guys.
Wich would you consider to be the best office document editing app (especially for excell files) out there on the market, regardless of price?
Best MS compatibility for ME!!
QuickOffice HD- best compatibility I've found - about £9 in the market.
Only downside is that the app only accesses the internal memory (SDCard) not any external memory.
Hope someone can show me how soon.....
I use docs to go.there are several none out there that is great at everything
Another options get a Hotmail account. Windows live.they have a cloud service you store documents with them and can edit and create Ms documents but it requires data services
I found Polaris Office to be the best. You can even have it using all your favorite fonts if you put them in system/fonts.
Quickoffice HD is second best since it does miss proper size/alignments in ppt.
The rest can't even get page margins right, no use wasting your time for now.
I am currently on my quest to fin the perfect office app as well. I mainly bought my Iconia for college so I need an app to be able to write papers with. I bought QuickOffice HD and yeah you can change the font, align text and font size, but you can't really do much else. You can't resize margins, can't edit or insert headers, can't even I out bullets! All of these crucial features for writting your MLA paper. I even tried importing a document that already had a header in it and you can see the header but you can't edit it.
I gave DocsToGo a shot and it seemed more featured packed with the paragraph edit and bullet input options, but I didn't go too far I depth with it since it was only the trial.
Bec07 said:
I found Polaris Office to be the best. You can even have it using all your favorite fonts if you put them in system/fonts.
Quickoffice HD is second best since it does miss proper size/alignments in ppt.
The rest can't even get page margins right, no use wasting your time for now.
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I'll have to give this one a try will report back!
polaris office is the very best IMO
You guys can apply for the beta for softmaker. I won't give more details, it's nothing to be curious about unless you really want to help. It is laggy and unusable on tablets and the UI is not yet optimized, but it can display the page perfectly, paragraphs columns, everything and won't break the compatibility with MSoffice.
Polaris!
I have Polaris office but since I upgraded to android 3.1 I keep getting force close issues.
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I have Polaris office but since I upgraded to android 3.1 I keep getting force close issues.
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Me too. Had to uninstall it because of that.
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OutaDaDark said:
QuickOffice HD- best compatibility I've found - about £9 in the market.
Only downside is that the app only accesses the internal memory (SDCard) not any external memory.
Hope someone can show me how soon.....
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If you're rooted you can get USB Mount All, which can mount your external_sd under the internal one so any other app can access it. Works for me on QuickOffice HD and Docs to Go.
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Ive been using Google docs without problems... works great on the phone and on the computer using LibreOffice. Can't stand MSOffice and the ribbonface.
Are they the one who broke up from open office after oracle bought it?
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Are they the one who broke up from open office after oracle bought it?
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Yes, that's libre office. But Oracle has now donated OpenOffice back to the open source world (APACHE) and IBM has donated millions of lines of code to OpenOffice from its Symphony product, so I think this'll breathe new life into OpenOffice now. See
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/ibm-donates-lotus-symphony-code-to-openoffice-34287
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Hey everyone please post the must have desire hd apps that you think are essential. The apps you think show the full potential of the phone....
So Far this is the List I made from the comments
Free Apps:-
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-HeyTell(Link)
-BubbleUPnP(Link)
-Xda Free(link)
-Facebook(link)
-Hotmail(link)
-iris. (alpha)--> android's SIRI(link)
-Voice Search(link)
-Note Everything(link)
-Opera Mobile Web Browser(link)
-Tweetdeck(link)
-angry birds(link)
-Swype keyboard(link)
-samba filesharing(link)
-whatsapp(link)
-Moboplayer(link)
-GPS Status & Toolbox(link)
-Mx Player(link)
-setcpu(root)(link)
-adfree(root)(link)
-Rom Manager(root)(link)
-A.I.type Keyboard free(link)
-Task List - ToDo List(link)
-YouTube
-APN Backup & Restore(link)
-PowerAMP(link)
-Dolphin Browser(link)
Paid Apps:-
-SPB Shell 3D(Link)
-myUsage(Link)
-Pocket Casts(Link)
-PLayerPro(Link)
-Wave Launcher(link)-TuneIn Radio Pro(link)
- tasker(link)
- root explorer(link)
- titanum backup(link)
- mybackup pro(link)
-cut the rope(link)
- M(mu) torrent remote(link)
- Zedge(link)
- Medscape(link)
- MyPhoneExplorer(link)
- PowerWifi Pro(link)
-GPS Status - Donation(link)
-Paper Camera(link)
-Tapatalk(link)
-Rom Manager Premium(link)
-Thumb Keyboard 4(for people with big fingers)(link)
-Bootmanager(root)(link)
-mx player pro (link)
-Absolute System Root Tools(root)(link)
[/URL]Comment If i missed Something. i will add it later and also please write if the app is paid or free saves me time.
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Just a little question, why do you state you have a "Iphone 3gs(Stolen)". Does the fact your telling everyone its stolen increase the size of your ego and make you seem cool?
Sorry if i'm totally wrong and it means something else, but if its what it seems well there is only one word for that.
affinity121 said:
Just a little question, why do you state you have a "Iphone 3gs(Stolen)". Does the fact your telling everyone its stolen increase the size of your ego and make you seem cool?
Sorry if i'm totally wrong and it means something else, but if its what it seems well there is only one word for that.
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The iPhone was stolen from me I don't get how this has any thing to do with my ego or my coolness :S:S
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rakinisbat said:
The iPhone was stolen from me I don't get how this has any thing to do with my ego or my coolness :S:S
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yeah that seemed a bit uncalled for. i think affinity121 misinterpreted the "stolen" to mean you stole it off someone
some apps i've been recommending to people:
- setcpu
- tasker
- root explorer
- samba filesharing
- adfree
these aren't really DHD specific though, and 4 out of 5 require root and not everyone i've been recommending them to has rooted their phone
Ohh k I get how it could have given ppl the wrong idea tnx both of you for pointing it out and I fixed it.
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You've already tried the roms I would have recommended.
Take a look at my sig and maybe you can choose a few apps from those links.
For me it's mostly essentials like a decent keyboard, browser, screenshot app, barcode scanner, note taker (so you can paint/write on the screen), camera app, launcher, music player, YouTube, Rom Manager, any backup app, study app and stuff that makes your job or life easier in as few a clicks as possible.
Many of the best apps speak for themselves and are very popular. But there must be tons of great stuff that isn't well known yet..
Android wifi sync. Sky news lol,spark
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I wrote the list of my favorite apps on my site (2nd article):
http://projects.lanik.org/AndroidProject.htm
IF u always Look For ROM
Rom Manager is must HAVE !!!
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Swype keyboard, makes typing so much faster.
MyPhoneExplorer to backup everything (and type text messages from the computer).
PowerWifi, turns Wifi on when I put my phone on its stand (or just plug it in), saving data allowance, and also launches MyPhoneExplorer for me, so my phone is always connected to my PC when at home. (turns off wifi when I unplug)
Moboplayer, at least until VLC is out.
Plenty of others I could suggest, but those are the ones I really couldn't do without.
AdFree
Rom Manager
Root Explorer
Titanium Backup
all the above + Pulse
4EXT Recovery
Thanks for tips
Swiftkey X - greatest predictive keyboard I've ever used, especially once it's had time to learn your style. Paid app (worth every penny), but there's a free version in the market that gives you full functionality for a month so there's no excuse not to at least give it a shot.
Don't know what else I'd class as 'essential'; Tweetdeck (twitter/facebook), Tapatalk and Vignette (amazing camera app) are probably my most-used and first-installed, but with the possible exception of Vignette I can't say I'd use them to show off the phone's potential. That's what the ROM's for
Edit: already been mentioned, but Tasker (once you've got your head round it) is great for showing off the kind of automation you can achieve. If you know anyone impressed by that sort of thing.
rakinisbat said:
The iPhone was stolen from me I don't get how this has any thing to do with my ego or my coolness :S:S
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Agree, WTF has this got to do with "coolness" ? ? or anything?
Jeepers, it's his signature, thats all.
Mind you, could be signature police about, yuh never know..lol
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affinity121 said:
Just a little question, why do you state you have a "Iphone 3gs(Stolen)". Does the fact your telling everyone its stolen increase the size of your ego and make you seem cool?
Sorry if i'm totally wrong and it means something else, but if its what it seems well there is only one word for that.
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Pretty obvious what was meant by that.