just got the missus a wildfire, and to be frank the screen is a joke, now i might send it back to 3 and get a hero, but does the bluetooth (phone to phone file sending) work on 2.1? as it didnt on 1.5
and what do people think that have used/owned both, is the hero a better phone
thanks
Hi there!
I haven't used the wildfire, so I can't compare these two.
But I can assure You, that hero with 2.1 can use bluetooth without ny problems or difficulties.
With regards
brat.haneq
Hero is older than wildfire, but has larger screen etc.
I think wildfire and hero are similar specs, but Iirc wildfire has accelerated 3D, which hero lacks.
I like my hero, but I wouldn't buy another one today, as it's about a year old.
I don't use bluetooth though, so can't comment on it.
i thought the wildfire screen was capacitive? what specifically is wrong with the screen? it could be a hardware issue as the Hero did have problems with the bottom of the screen not responding.
Not had my hands on the wildfire but if you were to sell it how much would you get for it as it should be enough to cover hero fees.
Alough the HTC Hero is an older model so I should think the wildfire will be better. It's just a smaller desire.
BT does work on the 2.1 heros, just tested between mine and a winmo phone.
Wildfire has smaller resolution (meaning less apps natively avaliable, without using a hacked market). But also has more Ram. Also has camera flash and smile detection.
They have the same processor speed as stock, although the wildfire is a slightly newer revision. The screens are both 3.2inch.
I have had a 5 minute play with the Wildfire in a shop - and to be honest, the resolution urked me too, and despite all of the quirks I would still take a Hero over the wildfire.
but thats just my opinion.
seeing as the hero and the wildfire are similarly priced on a 3 contract, id go with the hero.
the difference between the two is the ram and resolution, wildfire having the better ram.
id rather have better res than more ram, so id go with the hero.
3 currently have the white hero on payg for £160 refurbed. i bought one and it looks like new.
Same here... In my opinion if I have to choose between the wildfire with 512mb of ram and a lower resolution screen and the Hero, I would definitely choose the hero.. it lacks of Flash for camera as well, but at the end of the day when it's rooted it rocks!!
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Hello,
I am extremely fascinated with these two new phones by htc but i can't decide which one to buy. I have been watching videos all over the internet and reading the reviews from the MWC and other hands-on from many sites and still i am in dilemma. I LOVE the design of the legend but i want the power of Desire.
The reason i have this thread here is if anyone can tell me what are the differences between the two phones.
First of all i know the differences below, so if they are the ones you know i'd be gratefull if we don't fill the thread with the same ones over and over again.
1) 1Ghz Snapdragon Vs 600mhz MS7227
2) 3.7" Vs 3.2" Screen
3) 576MB Vs 384MB ram
4) Divx out of the box for desire no for legend.
Ok these are the differences i know for sure and i haven't found anything else. I am asking if anyone knows other ones especially if the ones i am gonna mention here are true or just rumors to get the customers buy the desire.
1) I read that the HTC Legend will not get the flashplayer 10.1 like Desire (will it at least have the flash lite like hero ?)
2) The browser used in the desire is the same as in the legend or is it an upgraded and better version of it ???
3) and something unrelated, is the difference in cpu so much of a problem for the legend???
Thanks and i hope someone will give me answers At least until april when i'll buy one of the two!!!
exactly the same boat, want the design of the Legend but with the screen and power of the Desire. Coming from a Touch HD, I don't really want to loose the screen size, think I'm still going for a Legend though, the Desire looks too much like a Touch HD!
Going to go SIM free though this time so I can swap it easily
One more difference between the 2 devices according to this thread is that the Legend will not have live wallpapers like the Desire.
Not much of a deal-breaker for most, I assume.
Regarding Flash 10.1, this article is worth a look.
Regardlesss, I'll be getting one of these for my wife when it releases. She needs a device that can take a beating. I gave her my Touch Diamond a few months ago. It was in near-mint condition at the time but now, the battery cover is scratched and a corner is broken off. I'm hoping the aluminum unibody design can help.
Personally, I'm pretty much set on getting the Desire for the sheer horsepower...
What about video recording mode?
We know the Desire will have HD recording but what about the Legend??
I hope it's not the wacky 320x240 of the Hero
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What about video recording mode?
We know the Desire will have HD recording but what about the Legend??
I hope it's not the wacky 320x240 of the Hero
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Any links to confirm the HD recording capabilities of the Desire?
This was a rumored feature and ever since the device was announce at MWC, there's been multiple sites saying that it doesn't record video at 720p.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_s8500_wave_and_htc_desire_headed_to_tmobile_soon-news-1461.php
http://www.toptechreviews.net/mobil...ve-and-the-htc-desire-on-its-way-to-t-mobile/
This news source is the only one that lets me keep my hopes alive for 720p recording. But then, this isn't a feature that I'm too concerned about...
yes the 720p video recording doesn't really matters so much for me. as for the live wallpapers neither but it would be a nice touch to have. also i think it WILL have live wallpapers, i read somewhere that it has but even if it doesn't since the gpu is the same as the nexus it won't be an issue to port them to the Legend. my main concerns are for performance especially and the internet stuff.
Another question is if they support wifi routering or at least tethering
The Legend is a sexy piece of hardware on the outside.
I will buy the next version once they upgrade the inside more with a Cortex chip instead of a cheapo one
I was very exited for both the Legend and Desire but yesterday when I red the review of GsmArena about the Amoled screen of the Nexus 1...I think I will take a Hero now
Why? Because they said the Amoled screen of N1 and most probably Legend/Desire is unreadable under direct sunlight
As long as I remember the Hero has been well reviewed about this particular detail which is important for me
Even if there is a lot of disaturation in direct sunlight there is no way you can't use the phone. and are you going to watch a movie or do something which takes time while standing in sunshine ??? i guess not
im so confused about which 1 2 get.
i definately want the HTC Legend as i had a Hero and like staying with my own.
but the power of the Desire is amaizing.
I don't understand why there is ANY debate about this at all. The Desire is better than the Legend in every spec. Infact, the Legend doesn't seem to be a big upgrade over the Hero imo, unless I am missing something?
yeah but desire looks like it was chewed,swallowed and digested compared to the legend...i mean desire is not ugly at all,but legend kicks ass....and umm does any of you guys maybe know the price range for any of those?
well according to clove.uk
HTC Desire = 464euro plus 25euro shipping(cyprus fedex)
HTC Legend = 426euro plus shipping
the gap between them is so little that makes me even more confused!!!
Isn't it too soon to have final prices?
The Desire and Legend will be released in mid-April right?
these prices are for preorder!!!
The design of this baby is so full of win, that I am willing to compromise with the specs.
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The design of this baby is so full of win, that I am willing to compromise with the specs.
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me too....
I like the construction quality. This thing can take one serious beating be fore tossing in the towel. Would be nice to have that with the desire.
i wish the desire would come for cdma. at least the scorpion looks like a sprint phone. i fell like android+HTC will make me upgrade phones every few months. i wonder if i a cell company will do 6 month contracts. lol
i reallly dont care about looks, i have the G1 and thought it was the most beautiful piece of equipment when i got it. i hope the new phones will keep call funtionality
The thing that's confusing me is the price
the desire is only 10 euros up from legend ?
http://www.clove.co.uk/category.aspx?department=HTC&category=591602F7-C32B-44D8-859D-F9230F032E7E
looks like clove is kinda drunk
Which phone are u going to from ur HTC Hero???
Legend or Desire?
For me it has to be the desire, I want a big screen, AMOLED, and a snapdragon... but I'm still envious of that all in one aluminium case...
I'd have to second that and say Desire. Bigger screen, faster processor is great! And the added bonus is that (according to current rumors) the Desire will actually be available on AT&T, and I won't have to buy it from Canada!
This is my analysis:
Hero:
+Price now
+Sexy look
+Will take official 2.1 ROM very very soon
+Rooted
+Pocket friendly size
+Screen viewable under direct sunlight
-No LED flash
-Camera could have been better
-Relativelly small screen
Legend:
+Sexy look
+Amoled 16M colors
+2.1 built-in
+LED Flash (for photos and torch light)
+Pocket friendly size
-Price when released
-Camera with same video recording as Hero??
-Not available before 1 month to 2 months depending on countries
-Screen ''would'' not be usable under direct sunlight like the Nexus One.
Desire:
+Amoled 16M 3.7''
+Video recording 720p
+Snap the dragon CPU
+2.1 built-in
+LED flash (for photos and torch light)
-Price when released
-Not available before 1 month to 2 months depending on countries
-Screen ''would'' not be usable under direct sunlight like the Nexus One.
-NOT pocket friendly size
So you have to see which positives and negatives mean to you the most and choose
If it would be me I will take the Hero now or wait the Legend to June (sweeter price)
as a htc hero user the htc legend doesn't seem to bring enough new features to the table in order to make a new purchase. especially after hero gets its 2.1 update.
therefore the only option is HTC desire for me.
I'm gonna skip them both, htc is going to release a 1,5 ghz smartphone this year.
Only had my hero for 7 months now, still not bored with it or even thinking it's slow.
So I don't see the need to upgrade this round.
However, I think it is very possible that Hero accessories will be compatible with Legend.
So you can reuse your desktop dock, car holder, sleeve, etc.
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I'm gonna skip them both, htc is going to release a 1,5 ghz smartphone this year.
Only had my hero for 7 months now, still not bored with it or even thinking it's slow.
So I don't see the need to upgrade this round.
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... ok willing to wait if they're going to be releasing a 1.5Ghz phone, do you have any details on this?
To be fair I've had my Hero about 9 months and love it to bits ... was finding it a touch slow in areas, but just put on one of the 2.1 eris ports and the thing flies! ... so I'm only really looking at the bigger screen... and if I can wait longer then I get more choice...
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... ok willing to wait if they're going to be releasing a 1.5Ghz phone, do you have any details on this?
To be fair I've had my Hero about 9 months and love it to bits ... was finding it a touch slow in areas, but just put on one of the 2.1 eris ports and the thing flies! ... so I'm only really looking at the bigger screen... and if I can wait longer then I get more choice...
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Called the htc scorpion, rumors are that it's being released in the US before the summer. supposed to support wimax, not much different from the other htc phones. Just a faster chip and wimax. And a amoled screen.
Desire!! Although I'm looking forward to hearing more about this multitouch flaw. As it has the exact specs the nexus one got..
asking few questions to legend owner.
between legend and desire, i'm leaning towards legend because of its design.
but snapdragon on desire sounds very tempting...
what do you say legend users? do you experience any lag because of lack of cpu or ram compare to desire?
The desire is more powerful but don't forget that its screen has a higher resolution, in other words it needs more power...
Why I've chosen the legend over the desire?
- First of all the legend has a much better finish than the desire, that looks too "nerd" for me. It looks more like a small computer than a cell phone..
- The legend is very smooth and do not really need more power
-The legend can almost do everything the desire can do but with a better pocket size.
- With a 3,2 screen instead of 3,7 screen, and a worse processor, it think the battery is better.
However, you should take the desire if:
- You really want to watch videos on your device
- You like playing a lot with your device because i think that games are going to require more and more config to run...
Look at the price for both desire & legend, its nearly the same: there is no best phone between them...
=> The legend has one of the best design for a smartphone
=> The desire is the more powerful
Allow me to offer a few pointers. I've got both devices. Desire for myself and the Legend for my wife.
Performance-wise, there's no doubt the Desire edges out the Legend. But the Legend is not 40% slower as the CPU clockspeeds may suggest. You'll encounter the occasional hiccup with the Legend when compared to the Desire, but you probably won't notice it unless you have both devices like I do. I would call this round a draw.
Aesthetically, it's very subjective. When you pull your Legend out, people will be drawn to the aluminum unibody enclosure. When you pull your Desire out, people will be drawn to the large 3.7" screen. I think the Legend looks nicer, but the Desire is in no way "geeky". It looks better in real life than on photos/videos. I'd describe it as more sophisticated looking while the Legend is more sexy.
Surely, you've read/seen reviews of both. See here for my review on the Desire and here for my review on the Legend. I tried to only put down things that were not mentioned or covered extensively by others. And I mentioned a couple of differences that may or may not matter to you.
Personally, I think it comes down to your screen/device size preference.
every time I pull out my legend I always get asked about it. it stands out from the crowd especially being in a country where you cannot buy it in store.
as for lag on the legend, it gets a little bit of lag if you quickly switch between lots of applications but other than that its fine
also if lag is a problem then disabling HTC sense is always an option but then you are limited to 3 home screens
it is a very good looking device tho.
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just thought is ask is any one else's home button feel loose like the actual button is on the far left of the key ?
I think mine might be broken but I don't want to send it back to the UK and it still works ok was just curious
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big help from all of you guys......love the look of legend and i think i will go with legend instead of desire unless htc decides to make a legend looking phone with snapdragon processor
i think you will be very happy with it , especially once it is rooted and we can save apps to the sdcard :
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Everytime I pull out my Legend in public I get a fine for indecent exposure. But that's for a different forum.
I love my Desire both how it looks and how it performs. Just needs a better battery to really make it the best phone period.
I haven't touched the Desire, so I can only write about the Legend.
In my own opinion:
The Legend looks GREAT, ATTRACTIVE & CLEAN design, & feels SOLID. I get so much compliments about the phone, even old folks, who don't care about phones, think the my phone is very nice looking.
However, the sharp edge on top of the earpiece sometimes hurts my ear.
It performs very well & smooth.
I use the phone MAINLY for calls & text messages. & I don't play & care for games on the phone. Therefore, the Legend's SIZE is PERFECT for me.
The phone has GREAT audio quality, which is nice & clear, & has good battery life.
I read somewhere that says because of the Legend's aluminum case, it doesn't get excellent signal. However, the reception has not let me down yet.
I'm also using HTC Touch Diamond 2, & HTC HD. My house has really bad signal & I have NO PROBLEMS with the Legend, whereas the other 2 get drop calls constantly.
It has 4 plastic buttons that feel REALLY CHEAP. You'll be disappointed with these buttons.
It has some other Cons, but you'll get that with the Desire too, so I won't go there.
I think you should also go to the Desire's board & ask what they like & dislike about the Desire & then make your own decision.
For now, I'm keeping the Legend until I can find a phone suitable for my need.
Cheers,
D
yeah the only real problem with it are the cheap feeling buttons which is a shame but the rest is of a very high quality
legend or desire
i have used nexus one before i got my legend. speed-wise, nexus one is no doubt faster than hero. but when i used legend, it's almost as smooth as the nexus one. also, when you install a lot of apps or put a lot of widgets in the homescreen, there's a tendency to lag. after using the nexus one for 2 months, i would say i like the legend more compared to nexus one. sorry im comparing legend with nexus one instead of desire. they both have the same specs anyway, well majority.
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i have used nexus one before i got my legend. speed-wise, nexus one is no doubt faster than hero. but when i used legend, it's almost as smooth as the nexus one. also, when you install a lot of apps or put a lot of widgets in the homescreen, there's a tendency to lag. after using the nexus one for 2 months, i would say i like the legend more compared to nexus one. sorry im comparing legend with nexus one instead of desire. they both have the same specs anyway, well majority.
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Agreed, traded my nexus for the Legend.
It's a bit slower but nothing that ruins the Android experience.It's till very quick.
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i have used nexus one before i got my legend. speed-wise, nexus one is no doubt faster than hero. but when i used legend, it's almost as smooth as the nexus one. also, when you install a lot of apps or put a lot of widgets in the homescreen, there's a tendency to lag. after using the nexus one for 2 months, i would say i like the legend more compared to nexus one. sorry im comparing legend with nexus one instead of desire. they both have the same specs anyway, well majority.
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nexus one being almost identical to desire, every piece of info helps! thanks
... and something important too: Nexus one is due to be the "first in class" android, so is the most expensive one. Desire is cheaper than Nexus one to avoid confusions in the market. Legend need to be cheaper than Desire due to processor speed. I believe Legend would be more expensive if Nexus and Desire would not be available in the market. So, Legend has a competitive price with an excellent hardware and software configuration.
no doubt you are right. Best device I ever had
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week with legend
I been using Legend just about a week.. first phone ever that don't make any kind of hardware sound.. almost every phone that I had and tested even with HD2.. make those hardware movement noise.. this phone is rock solid.. by the look and design.. it's phone, fit in ur hand perfect.. one of the best sound quality phone that I had.. HTC sense and Android.. sense work great.. since this is my first android phone.. I can't tell much about it..I used my bro's Hero about a week. Legend is much faster.. here in US.. 3G service don't work.. but even with Edge,, it's much faster and smoother internet experience than any other phone that I had or tested.. only thing that I don't like about the hardware is the 4button key.. I wish HTC made this with capacitive touch key like the Nexus one or touch HD..
buy the Legend.. it's cheaper than Desire.. also more phone factor than Desire..
if u need super PDA+ huge phone.. buy the Desire..
LOL.. just buy either one.. u'll like it anyhow..
evank418 said:
asking few questions to legend owner.
between legend and desire, i'm leaning towards legend because of its design.
but snapdragon on desire sounds very tempting...
what do you say legend users? do you experience any lag because of lack of cpu or ram compare to desire?
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I have used google nexus one and legend (I dumped the nexus one in favour of the legend).
i challenge anyone to say there is a difference in speed
the 7227 is a much improved cpu over the hero/touch pro 2/diamond 2 one etc.
its not just the speed.
I think the cpu is a side issue
the real difference between these two is just the screen resolution.
my 2 cents:
1. most android apps just scale up, so actually look worse on 800x480 (no doubt will get better)
2. you can't actually browse at 800x480 on such a small screen, so its benefit is mostly in smoothing
3. 480x320 video will be smoother. very little the human will gain over 800x480 at this size and 320x480 video files will be smaller.
4. 800x480 screeen uses slightly more battery
5. lower resolutions are here to stay, e.g. HTC Tatto, Sony X10 Mini, etc. only have 240x320 !!!
In summary, whilst 800x480 would be theoretically nicer to have, it makes no difference to me at the moment. the biggest thing I wanted was amoled, which I have got.
You will LOVE the Legend. Its a keeper.
I've got the Legend, because my X10 got swiped.
(Risking OT Compared to the X10, the Legend is much smoother.
However, for me, I may consider the Desire strongly, but simply because I am using a Mac and that the WiFi teether on the Desire makes things a snap for me, especially when I am out of the office.
But otherwise, I do agree that the Legend is a keeper... maybe I'll hand it over to the wife, or to one of my kids.
legend looks super awesome in comparison to the staid desire ..
i want to thank everyone on the great informative reply. i just ordered mine at htcperida can't wait to play with this bad boy!! once again, thanks a lot everyone!!!!
Well, it's upgrade time on my contract, and I have narrowed it (quite easily) down to two devices, the Legend and the Desire.
The legend will cost me exactly nothing to upgrade to, and the Desire will cost a little (a lot) more than I can currently afford.
My question is, do I look for a way to afford the Desire or go for the Legend?
Please give your vote and a comment/reason, or suggest a third/fourth.... device instead (X10 was considered and disgarded due to lack of multitouch and because I don't want to be left in the dust with Android 1.6 until september).
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Well, it's upgrade time on my contract, and I have narrowed it (quite easily) down to two devices, the Legend and the Desire.
The legend will cost me exactly nothing to upgrade to, and the Desire will cost a little (a lot) more than I can currently afford.
My question is, do I look for a way to afford the Desire or go for the Legend?
Please give your vote and a comment/reason, or suggest a third/fourth.... device instead (X10 was considered and disgarded due to lack of multitouch and because I don't want to be left in the dust with Android 1.6 until september).
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i would go for the legend
because, 1ghz snapdragon processor, its newer so will be supported longer by htc, better battery life (legends is s***)
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You meant desire, right?
Otherwise there is no sense in your sentence
Well that depends on how much you have to pay for the desire. Let me sum up for you what the desire has and the legend doesn't.
Desire:
Flash support, 1Ghz snapdragon, bigger screen thus resulting in more space for fingers to land in..... higher resolution 480 X 800 WVGA RAM: 576 MB
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Legend
No flash support (well probably it wel get flash from xda members. But according to adobe it won't run smooth on the legend and our hero's)
600Mhz processor, same screen size as hero 320 x 480 HVGA only 384 mb ram
Hope that helps you out a bit.
If you have a hero and you would buy a legend you'd only see some improvement in the speed section, it's probably not fully capable to run future android version (and the desire is since it's able to run flash 10)
If you buy a desire you buy the fastest htc around, with probably more support in later versions.
If I was in your position,... I'd switch to a sim only contract, then wait for something similar to the incredible.
I was planning on getting a desire this month,... but am still happy with my hero (even more now its overclocked).
I reckon I'll be happy for another 3 - 6 months yet. I'd just like a slightly better camera,.... n a hardware keyboard would be nice.
I know, I know,... you could end up waiting forever wanting something slightly better then whats currently on the market to come out.
None of them.
I'm looking forward to devices like the samsung galaxy S, Lumigon t1, Motorola Shadow.
My next device won't be one from HTC.
I'm watching how often HTC is updating their new devices, desire and legend. If they do it better than they do it on hero right now, my device after the next device will be one from HTC again.
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None of them.
I'm looking forward to devices like the samsung galaxy S, Lumigon t1, Motorola Shadow.
My next device won't be one from HTC.
I'm watching how often HTC is updating their new devices, desire and legend. If they do it better than they do it on hero right now, my device after the next device will be one from HTC again.
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None of them wasn't an option, if you don't have anything to do rather then put htc on your blacklist that's you're choice, don't try to decide for others.
And samsung never ever released an update afaik so have fun with your never upgradebla samsung. And I haven't seen motorola giving any updates either.
Stop nagging
If I were you I would go for the Desire, unless another Snapdragon is due to b integrated into devices then you are at least going to get enough time with the latest handset during your contract before you start seeing thinks like 2.2+ render you phone old...
Something with 720p video, a snapdragon cpu and 2.1 shipped, wouldn't go a miss!
I also considered the X10 for the cracking cameras Sony add but like you say the 2.1 update is a a fair bit off, and they haven't even rooted it yet afaik..
I had a quick go on a mates Desire, and its defiantly faster and the bigger screen is nice but I didn't feel it was the amazing leap over the Hero that most people have made it out to be. If there is no rush I would defiantly wait another 6 months to see whats available then. Maybe the 2.2 update will wow me more but thats just my current opinion.
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None of them.
I'm looking forward to devices like the samsung galaxy S, Lumigon t1, Motorola Shadow.
My next device won't be one from HTC.
I'm watching how often HTC is updating their new devices, desire and legend. If they do it better than they do it on hero right now, my device after the next device will be one from HTC again.
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Agree.. + don't forget that htc is using cheap hardware (eg: SoC*, display**), so if you want pure performance go with an ARM Cortex + PowerVR.
* i prefer the arm cortex + power vr combination, even motorola milestone at 550 Mhz is better (thanks to PowerVR) on some tasks than the over hyped snapdragon cpu.
** see the multiple videos that show the multitouch bug, htc is using a cheap dualtouch display ..
I don't trust anymore qualcomm/htc combination. tired of crap performance.
So, my next device will be one with ARM Cortex + PowerVR + a proper multitouch display (eg: such as in motorola milestone). If you want true performance I recommend you this combination.
Neither for me..
The Desire has a pentile AMOLED display that isn't TRUE WVGA (RGB subpixels in one pixel)
Both the Desire and Legend use ClearPad 2000 for their touch screens which do not have proper multitouch support (same problem with N1)
I'd wait a little longer for the next round of FroYo devices
Hey There,
a friend of mine is looking to get his first android phone.
but he wants to have a budget phone.
I was looking at the Wildfire because this is considered a budget phone.
But i also noticed that the HTC Hero has dropped to a similar price.
I looked at the specs but it almost looks like the hero still has better specs then the wildfire does.
Is there anyone who has tried both?
and could tell me the differences?
much appreciated.
In my opinion the HTC hero did seem a bit laggy but maybe that's changed, also the resolution is slightly better on the hero but not really noticeable. The HTC Wildfire is going to get Android 2.2 and with a bigger RAM it will run smoother than the HTC Hero. Also the Hero does not have a Flash for the camera :O. its up to you but i would say the wildfire is better.
So newer is better..
Thanks for your opinion