Hey everyone, I just got my 8525 and have been playing around with a few customizations. One of the things that bugs me about the original button layout is that the placement of the camera button makes it nearly impossible to use the camera with only one hand (at least I always feel like I'm going to drop the phone).
So, I got the PTT patch (thanks Slueth255!) to map the camera to that button. However, it looks like any function can only be mapped to one button at a time, so the original button has to be remapped first. It works great in portrait mode, but in landscape, either the button is on the bottom of the phone or the display is upside-down. Is there a way to map two buttons to the same function? Or better yet, is there any way to rotate the camera display? Has anyone else found a better way to use the camera one-handed?
Thanks,
Sar
Sarumiso said:
Hey everyone, I just got my 8525 and have been playing around with a few customizations. One of the things that bugs me about the original button layout is that the placement of the camera button makes it nearly impossible to use the camera with only one hand (at least I always feel like I'm going to drop the phone).
So, I got the PTT patch (thanks Slueth255!) to map the camera to that button. However, it looks like any function can only be mapped to one button at a time, so the original button has to be remapped first. It works great in portrait mode, but in landscape, either the button is on the bottom of the phone or the display is upside-down. Is there a way to map two buttons to the same function? Or better yet, is there any way to rotate the camera display? Has anyone else found a better way to use the camera one-handed?
Thanks,
Sar
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Trying to work out at what stage your problem is. I turn on TyTn with thumb, move thumb along to camera button and then take picture with central D Pad button.
Mike
mikechannon said:
Trying to work out at what stage your problem is. I turn on TyTn with thumb, move thumb along to camera button and then take picture with central D Pad button.
Mike
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Thanks for the tip about using the center D-pad button to take a picture, it makes things a little easier. I realized after trying to take a pic that switching the camera function to the PTT button won't work. It will activate the camera program as expected, but once in camera mode, you still have to push the original camera button (or D-pad) to take a shot.
After some more playing around, I found that you can take a pic with the scroll wheel button as well, which makes it easier, but not perfect. You still have to reach for the camera button to switch to camera mode and the scroll wheel is not good for taking pictures as it will change camera modes with a scroll if your press is not dead center.
Ideally, I'd like to be able to take out the phone and snap a quick spur-of-the-moment picture without too much fumbling around. Typically, I hold the phone in my left hand with my index finger near the power button and thumb near the PTT button. Or, in landscape mode, index finger on the PTT button and thumb about halfway between camera and comm button (with the D-pad resting in the palm). Moving all the camera button functionality to the PTT button would really be great. Getting the camera program to run inverted would also be nice, but I could probably learn to live with having all my pics turn out upside-down.
-Sar
Sarumiso said:
Thanks for the tip about using the center D-pad button to take a picture, it makes things a little easier. I realized after trying to take a pic that switching the camera function to the PTT button won't work. It will activate the camera program as expected, but once in camera mode, you still have to push the original camera button (or D-pad) to take a shot.
After some more playing around, I found that you can take a pic with the scroll wheel button as well, which makes it easier, but not perfect. You still have to reach for the camera button to switch to camera mode and the scroll wheel is not good for taking pictures as it will change camera modes with a scroll if your press is not dead center.
Ideally, I'd like to be able to take out the phone and snap a quick spur-of-the-moment picture without too much fumbling around. Typically, I hold the phone in my left hand with my index finger near the power button and thumb near the PTT button. Or, in landscape mode, index finger on the PTT button and thumb about halfway between camera and comm button (with the D-pad resting in the palm). Moving all the camera button functionality to the PTT button would really be great. Getting the camera program to run inverted would also be nice, but I could probably learn to live with having all my pics turn out upside-down.
-Sar
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Yes, I see. I just tried it left handed and it is more difficult due to button positions. I also agree about scroll wheel push you have to be spot on with press else you end scrolling to another function.
Hopefully others will have some more tips/tricks.
For some reason if i want to push the camera button to activate the camera,it wont allow it.Well it does nothing.But if i goto the camera application itself,then it works when pressed.The keys are not locked on the side either.Anyone have anysuggestions or advice on what the problem maybe?
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For some reason if i want to push the camera button to activate the camera,it wont allow it.Well it does nothing.But if i goto the camera application itself,then it works when pressed.The keys are not locked on the side either.Anyone have anysuggestions or advice on what the problem maybe?
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make sure you push hard on the camera button, there is two steps to it, make sure you press it all the way through
Yeah bit tricky and supprising, i thought i'll found 2 steps button for camera only on my digicam, but my athena have it to... great isn't it?
I have to push my camera button really firmly before it opens the camera.
You may have already done this but check the mapping for the button. Voice Command likes to take this button for itself.
got it!
Hey thanks!That worked!I thought that it was just me.The buttons were mapped correctly(meaning that they were not re-mapped)A firm press brings the camera up after a 1 second delay.The only thing that i was wondering,why was there no ms voice command included?I have the application(Since i kept all the applications that i had when i owned the JJ).Like i said,thank you for the quick response time and help!
we know HTC Touch Pro2 has an on screen shutter button, do you find it difficult when you try to take photo of yourself?because you cant see the small on screen shutter button.
Do anyone know a tweak/altenative solution for this tiny shutter button?
make it bigger,or better yet,simply make it this way: the whole screen is the shutter button, you can take pictures by clicking anywhere of the screen.
I searched several hours without a thing,it seems that I am the first person who wants this.
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The on screen button pissed me off too. Most particularly because I also turned off the shutter sound, so I would be holding the part of the screen thinking it took the picture...to turn the phone around and discover it only focused the image.
Install the keyboard controller for the rhodium, choose to add a key, press the PTT key "if you already have it mapped to something, don't worry. I also have apps mapped to the same button". When in the map config, click the [+] next to Rule. pull out the stylus, click the windows button, go to your camera, and stick the stylus back in. Below "Rule name" the window should say "IACSP20_Main" without the quotes. Choose "Direct key mapping", then select key "13 Enter" for the key. Finally send the key to the operating system.
What this does is: while you're in the camera window and push the PTT key, that key is pushing the enter key. It acts the same as the onscreen shutter button, as in, you have to hold the button. BUT, its a lot easier to find and easier to hold the phone when pushing the button. Good luck with your mapping.
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The on screen button pissed me off too. Most particularly because I also turned off the shutter sound, so I would be holding the part of the screen thinking it took the picture...to turn the phone around and discover it only focused the image.
Install the keyboard controller for the rhodium, choose to add a key, press the PTT key "if you already have it mapped to something, don't worry. I also have apps mapped to the same button". When in the map config, click the [+] next to Rule. pull out the stylus, click the windows button, go to your camera, and stick the stylus back in. Below "Rule name" the window should say "IACSP20_Main" without the quotes. Choose "Direct key mapping", then select key "13 Enter" for the key. Finally send the key to the operating system.
What this does is: while you're in the camera window and push the PTT key, that key is pushing the enter key. It acts the same as the onscreen shutter button, as in, you have to hold the button. BUT, its a lot easier to find and easier to hold the phone when pushing the button. Good luck with your mapping.
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Hey,thanks for your reply,so detailed,I am touched.
I tried your method,it works!
New Leo Energy Rom - this method is no longer working - camera just touch focuses - but does not "capture" - picture - any more advice?
same problem here
livealoha50 said:
New Leo Energy Rom - this method is no longer working - camera just touch focuses - but does not "capture" - picture - any more advice?
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i had it mapped to the ptt the same way on nrg cht 4/16. i didnt even have to hold the button in fact, i just pressed it and it would take a picture. now the ptt button wont take a picture at all for me.
just go to the settings and click on advanced and see if touch focus is actually on, because if its turned off then it would just focus but not take a picture.
and that solution of yours to map it to the PTT button doesnt work for everyone (like me) because some of us dont got that button, but reguardless if it works for you then thats good too
Google Rhodium keyboard controller or look for it here at xda and even in this forum. BEST software. You can map ANY button to ANY key while still maintaining the keys natural function like pressing home goes to home, and holding hole for 2 seconds opens camera, and holding vol up or down can be enter which, in camera mode, takes a picture .
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just go to the settings and click on advanced and see if touch focus is actually on, because if its turned off then it would just focus but not take a picture.
and that solution of yours to map it to the PTT button doesnt work for everyone (like me) because some of us dont got that button, but reguardless if it works for you then thats good too
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the touch focus has no effect for me. regardless whether its on or off, my ptt button wont take a pic. im gonna mess around with the rhod kb controller a bit, maybe i did something wrong there. if not, im gonna have to mess about in the registry and see what can be done there.
Edit: I fixed it. It wasnt something I did wrong w/ rhod kb controller. Went into hklm/software/htc/camera and its subfolders and changed 5 or 6 things in there, some to fix the prob and some were just changed to suit my preferences. I gotta go to work shortly, but at about 2:30 this morning I'll be able to write down all the registry changes I made and post them in this thread. Now when I press the ptt within camera, it autofocuses and then takes the pic without having to hold the button, which is nice I have CleanRam mapped to ptt long press.
well i had it working perfect yesterday when i posted, but then i booted into android for a few hours while at work, and when i went back to windows, the camera went back to doing the stupid focus and then no picture crap again. so today i went back thru everything i had messed with and tried every combination of settings i could think of, and couldnt get it to work right again.
Do you use the Rhodium Keyboard Controller to remap your hardware buttons? If so, I can give you how I setup my buttons to take pictures and such?
Yeah thats what I used with the 4/16 cht nrg rom, when mapped to open program windows/start menu/multimedia/camera.ink by single press, it would open the camera and if I pressed it again, it would take a photo. I am still using the rhodium keyboard controller, tried setting double tap to 13 and that didnt take a pic, tried pointing it at windows/camera.exe and that didnt work, thats when i went into the registry. between the keyboard controller and registry editng, i had it opening the camera and taking photos both with single press of the ptt button. i then booted android later that day cause its easier for texting while im at work. later back to windows, and the ptt would open camera but not shoot. i dont understand how changes to the registry could work to make it work like that but not survive a reset? i went back iand messed around in the registry tryin different combinations of stuff, and couldnt get the ptt to snap a shot again. possibly theres something different in camera.exe from rom to rom?
Just make one of your hardware buttons the enter button. Enter focuses and takes the picture. I make my volume keys both the enter button. Also good when using them in total commander too .
i had made my ptt = enter upon double tap and it wouldnt work, neither would the hw qwerty button. i know what ur talking about, i have always set my ptt to take pictures, even on my original tilt, usually open program - camera.ink will open camera and also take pic, but for me neither enter nor open program will work for me. its gotta be either a reg entry that i just didnt get right, or the actual camera.exe is different from build to build, which i find believable because i remember switching albums on my original tilt and to do it i would also hv to switch camera.exe's also. which reminds me, is it me or does the tp2's photo album absolutely suck? on my tilt, i could zoom down way closer, and the album was gesture driven. draw a circle w/ur finger one way would zoom in, other way zoom out, etc. love the phone, hate the picture album
Ah weird... enter should work :/...
Yeah... what happened to the gesture thing? Guess they want to "try" and make the pointless zoombar serve some sort of function even though I never use it.
I use S2V and map the dble tap send key as up, and dble tap end key as down. I've always like S2V but just wish A_C would update it.
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New Leo Energy Rom - this method is no longer working - camera just touch focuses - but does not "capture" - picture - any more advice?
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I used to do this when the pro 2 first came out and this always worked but for the last 4 months this has stoped working and it sucks cause i loved having this option. I have tried asking for help from NRG's irc chat room and they banned me for asking lol, i even tried asking in his thread several times and ppl tell me it works fine for them, but it just dont work for me. it always worked before but i flashed to a new NRG rom update and it just stopped working, cant remember when it worked last, but i do miss it!!! This option works fine on ALL other roms but NRG's
lilchicano said:
just go to the settings and click on advanced and see if touch focus is actually on, because if its turned off then it would just focus but not take a picture.
and that solution of yours to map it to the PTT button doesnt work for everyone (like me) because some of us dont got that button, but reguardless if it works for you then thats good too
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I used to be able to pick any hardware button to make this work, i use the vol up key myself!!
Thanks zyphuris55!
enter key doesn't work for me either.
A plausible reason for the "Enter" workaround working for some people could be the use of different camera drivers.
With the HD2, the early camera drivers allowed a photo light (using the LEDs) to be used when taking a picture in the dark. However, the recent camera drivers no longer allow photo lights, and the user is dependent on a simple flash upon taking a photo.
I know that NRG and other chefs use different camera drivers (they sometimes post it in their changelogs), so this could be why some are able to use "Enter" to take photos while others can't.
If it is indeed driver-related, you can't do anything about it, as these drivers are cooked into the ROMs (cabs and reg tweaks have no effects).
P.S. At least the TP2 has a lot of buttons that can be remapped! The HD2 can only have the Send (Hold) function be remapped!